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NCCommish

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Endless testimonies . .. prove the mild and pacific temperament of the natives…. But our work was to exasperate, ravage, kill, mangle and destroy…

And the Christians, with their horses and swords and pikes began to carry out massacres and strange cruelties against them. They attacked the towns and spared neither the children nor the aged nor pregnant women nor women in childbed, not only stabbing them and dismembering them but cutting them to pieces as if dealing with sheep in the slaughter house. They laid bets as to who, with one stroke of the sword, could split a man in two or could cut off his head or spill out his entrails with a single stroke of the pike. They took infants from their mothers’ breasts, snatching them by the legs and pitching them head first against the crags or snatched them by the arms and threw them into the rivers, roaring with laughter and saying as the babies fell into the water, “Boil there, you offspring of the devil!” Other infants they put to the sword along with their mothers and anyone else who happened to be nearby. They made some low wide gallows on which the hanged victim’s feet almost touched the ground, stringing up their victims in lots of thirteen, in memory of Our Redeemer and His twelve Apostles, then set burning wood at their feet and thus burned them alive. To others they attached straw or wrapped their whole bodies in straw and set them afire. With still others, all those they wanted to capture alive, they cut off their hands and hung them round the victim’s neck, saying, “Go now, carry the message,” meaning, Take the news to the Indians who have fled to the mountains. They usually dealt with the chieftains and nobles in the following way: they made a grid of rods which they placed on forked sticks, then lashed the victims to the grid and lighted a smoldering fire underneath, so that little by little, as those captives screamed in despair and torment, their souls would leave them….
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Bartolome de las Casas, the priest who accompanied Columbus on his conquest of Cuba.

 
It's all true. Every last bloody detail. And some of the stuff is even worse than you described.

And yet...

It was a remarkable expedition. Three small ships sailing into unknown waters. Incredibly brave, incredibly bold. That's why we teach our children about it, and celebrate it. I think we should. But we should tell them the whole story, and textbooks rarely do.

 
timschochet said:
It's all true. Every last bloody detail. And some of the stuff is even worse than you described.

And yet...

It was a remarkable expedition. Three small ships sailing into unknown waters. Incredibly brave, incredibly bold. That's why we teach our children about it, and celebrate it. I think we should. But we should tell them the whole story, and textbooks rarely do.
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Here's what they should teach. In 1508 there were 60000 people on Hispaniola including the indigenous people. That means from 1494 to 1508 roughly 3 million people almost all indigenous were killed or died in slavery. Columbus was even jailed for genocide in the 1500's. They let him out but still how bad do you have to be to be jailed in the 16th century for genocide? Celebrating this guy is like celebrating Pol Pot.

 
NCCommish said:
Fennis said:
the moops said:
indigineous peoples day here
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Seattle doesnt even have Columbus Day yet somehow, this year, they changed it to Indigenous Peoples Day.

Personally I support calling it Discoverers Day
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I'm more down with the Indigenous People Day. Explorers have gotten their reward let's let the people they killed, raped and enslaved have a bone.
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To be fair, they did have Verrazzano's bone.

 
NCCommish said:
Fennis said:
the moops said:
indigineous peoples day here
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Seattle doesnt even have Columbus Day yet somehow, this year, they changed it to Indigenous Peoples Day.

Personally I support calling it Discoverers Day
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I'm more down with the Indigenous People Day. Explorers have gotten their reward let's let the people they killed, raped and enslaved have a bone.
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I would be onboard with Native American Day.

 
Fennis said:
NCCommish said:
Fennis said:
the moops said:
indigineous peoples day here
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Seattle doesnt even have Columbus Day yet somehow, this year, they changed it to Indigenous Peoples Day.

Personally I support calling it Discoverers Day
Click to expand...
I'm more down with the Indigenous People Day. Explorers have gotten their reward let's let the people they killed, raped and enslaved have a bone.
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I would be onboard with Native American Day.
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Seconded

 
can we make native american day the day after the superbowl and make a federal holiday or whatever is needed to get time off work?

 
NCCommish said:
Fennis said:
NCCommish said:
Fennis said:
the moops said:
indigineous peoples day here
Click to expand...
Seattle doesnt even have Columbus Day yet somehow, this year, they changed it to Indigenous Peoples Day.

Personally I support calling it Discoverers Day
Click to expand...
I'm more down with the Indigenous People Day. Explorers have gotten their reward let's let the people they killed, raped and enslaved have a bone.
Click to expand...
I would be onboard with Native American Day.
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Seconded
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That is going to be one small parade

 
timschochet said:
It's all true. Every last bloody detail. And some of the stuff is even worse than you described.

And yet...

It was a remarkable expedition. Three small ships sailing into unknown waters. Incredibly brave, incredibly bold. That's why we teach our children about it, and celebrate it. I think we should. But we should tell them the whole story, and textbooks rarely do.
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The Third Reich was also pretty remarkable, that entire country turned around very quickly in a very short time, and it was certainly bold to start seizing large chunks of Europe, as well as setting up a fairly effective genocide. Celebrate them, too?

 
It is shocking that it was a Democratic President who made this a holiday? Pretty par for the course for Democrats. In 300 years, maybe the Dems will give us a Hitler Day. :lol:

 
jon_mx said:
It is shocking that it was a Democratic President who made this a holiday? Pretty par for the course for Democrats. In 300 years, maybe the Dems will give us a Hitler Day. :lol:
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It was recognized as a legal holiday first by the Republican governor of Colorado Jesse Fuller McDonald. And it was Nixon that set the date we use today.

 
Fennis said:
NCCommish said:
Fennis said:
the moops said:
indigineous peoples day here
Click to expand...
Seattle doesnt even have Columbus Day yet somehow, this year, they changed it to Indigenous Peoples Day.

Personally I support calling it Discoverers Day
Click to expand...
I'm more down with the Indigenous People Day. Explorers have gotten their reward let's let the people they killed, raped and enslaved have a bone.
Click to expand...
I would be onboard with Native American Day.
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That's what it is in my state.

 
Always seemed like a northeastern thing. It's never been a holiday down here in New Orleans. We do have St. Joseph's day which is celebrated here alongside St. Patrick's, including a merged parade or two.

Historically Colombo dragged Europe out of the Dark Ages and into an understanding of the world, and the Church was not necessarily happy about it at all. Funny how CC used to be a liberal hero and now maybe not so much.

 
In defense of Columbus, he lived during a very brutal time where taking slaves and imperialism was what made great kingdoms. It is kind of frowned upon today. It is called becoming civilized. We still have a ways to go BTW.

 
jon_mx said:
In defense of Columbus, he lived during a very brutal time where taking slaves and imperialism was what made great kingdoms. It is kind of frowned upon today. It is called becoming civilized. We still have a ways to go BTW.
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Certainly there is something to that. But even in that brutal world he and his brothers were jailed for what they did for a while. I think that may point out they were a little over the top even by those times standards. And yes we have a long way to go.

 
glock said:
Whole lotta Columbus fun facts in here. :oldunsure:
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A report of the year 1650 shows none of the original Arawaks or their descendants left on the island.
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I think this is one of the distinguishing characteristics of the Caribbean from the mainland Americas. While Indians survived and became part of the actual mixed, integrated populace and culture in South & Central America especially, in the Caribbean there are almost no indigenous peoples left, not even a trace.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Always seemed like a northeastern thing. It's never been a holiday down here in New Orleans. We do have St. Joseph's day which is celebrated here alongside St. Patrick's, including a merged parade or two.

Historically Colombo dragged Europe out of the Dark Ages and into an understanding of the world, and the Church was not necessarily happy about it at all. Funny how CC used to be a liberal hero and now maybe not so much.
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I've always wanted a General Sherman day. How would that play down south?
 
Of course , if the South objects to General Sherman Day, we could always have another holiday that celebrates a Confederate General. How does Longstreet Day sound?

 
timschochet said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Always seemed like a northeastern thing. It's never been a holiday down here in New Orleans. We do have St. Joseph's day which is celebrated here alongside St. Patrick's, including a merged parade or two.

Historically Colombo dragged Europe out of the Dark Ages and into an understanding of the world, and the Church was not necessarily happy about it at all. Funny how CC used to be a liberal hero and now maybe not so much.
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I've always wanted a General Sherman day. How would that play down south?
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Come on down and find out. I suggest just outside of Atlanta for the announcement. Oh and don't mind the guns open carry and all that.

 
Don't see the big deal here.

We have Christmas and easter and those just took thousands of years of Christians killing people into believing.

Merry Christmas to the thousands murdered along the way.

 
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