collective
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Alex Gonzalez should have received more crap for his error on a tailor made double play ball that he booted.
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Happy Steve Bartman 10th anniversary day (1 Viewer)
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collective
Footballguy
I watched the first hour of the 30 for 30 and really enjoyed it. But you are correct, anyone of us would have done that.
Ray Karpis
Footballguy
Was just telling my 9-year-old son about that play two days ago. Didn't realize the timing of it.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Prince Fielder had a Bartman moment last night.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Brony
Footballguy
Did you already buy this for him? I don't want to look stupid and get him a repeat one that he'll have to return.
zamboni
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
collective
Footballguy
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Say what you want about Alex Gonzalez, but every Cubs fan out there felt the moment the air came out of the balloon, and that was when one unfortunate fan touched a foul ball that could have been caught. I'm not mad at Bartman—well, I was at the time—but Cubs fans feel these things on a level most sports fans will never understand. That moment is the moment the fear started. What if we blow it? What if that was where it all starts? And then subsequent events turned that fear into reality. And it was almost like some part of every fan wanted it to keep happening, so the sports world would pity us and this horrible unfair thing that had happened. I'll admit it. I've become addicted to the rage.
zamboni
Footballguy
If you're talking about the nimrods sitting nearby Bartman that were giving him ####, then I agree.
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
The worst person in all of this is Moises Alou who still won't just admit that it wasn't Bartman's fault. Alou is a tool. Alou acts like it was a routine popup. His team couldn't field a grounder a couple of plays later, yet we're supposed to assume he could make a leaping grab against a wall in foul territory? Idiot.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
I don't know how anyone could watch that replay and not come away seeing Alou had a decent chance to catch that ball.
collective
Footballguy
Don't forget the meatball pitch the inning before against Willis that he lazily hit to right for the final out of the inning with two guys on.
zamboni
Footballguy
Fair point - no guarantee that he would have caught it. Besides, a fan who a chance to catch a playoff foul ball is expected to think "this is a big moment, I'm going to back away so Alou can make a play on it?" Come on.
Interestingly enough, all the other fans around Bartman were also looking to grab it. Bartman just happened to be the unfortunate one.
TheIronSheik
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Right. Which is why Cubs fans are a bunch of crybabies. They aren't happy unless they are playing the victim and whining that the universe, baseball gods and even Obama are all against them.
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
And if you watch the replay, everyone in the stands thinks the ball is going to land in the stands. To crucify one of their own fans is terrible. He didn't lose that game. That play didn't lead to a run being scored. That play essentially had no impact on the game if the shortstop makes the play he's paid to make.
Psychopav
Help us, Joebi-Wan Brynobi, you're our only ho
Are you talking about the entire Cubs fandom? Because that's who was giving him #### in the following days and weeks.I tell you, as someone with only a passing interest in baseball, but always more a Sox guy than a Cubs guy, I was actually rooting for the Cubs until that play. It would have been great for the city - it had been so long since we had a championship of any kind in any major sport. And the Cubs were really doing it. They were a team of destiny that year. Right up until that play (no matter what the author says)...
But when Bartman caught that ball, you knew...you just knew...that there was no way the Cubs were going to win the series. One play turned it all from "oh my gosh the Cubs could actually do it" to "oh my gosh the curse really is real, and it is not going to let that happen."
From that moment on, I went from rooting for the Cubs to rooting for the curse. How could I not? Such an awesome force to step in an snatch victory away like that. The curse won. Bartman was just a tool of the curse - he didn't deserve what happened to him (but I get it).
zamboni
Footballguy
Just to add - even after the Cubs lost that game 6, they were up 5-3 in game 7 but the Marlins came back on Kerry Wood to beat the Cubs 9-6 and win the pennant.
And if you watch the replay, everyone in the stands thinks the ball is going to land in the stands. To crucify one of their own fans is terrible. He didn't lose that game. That play didn't lead to a run being scored. That play essentially had no impact on the game if the shortstop makes the play he's paid to make.
Clearly that's all on Bartman as well.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
I don't think most people really thought that. Fans just needed a scapegoat after Gonzalez booted that grounder and Bartman was an easy target.
collective
Footballguy
TheIronSheik
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
There is always a crowd that defends Bartman by blaming Gonzalez, Prior and others. My point (an obvious one) is that the loss isn't solely one person's fault but Bartman was certainly a contributer and deserves blame.You lost me.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
And, just a week ago a fan reached over and helped a ball be a home run. Weird, huh?
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Wrigley
Footballguy
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
I disagree. You are assuming that a play can be made on that ball. Also, you blame players for not making plays. Not fans for going for a ball. If you blame Bartman, than you might as well blame all of the fans for yelling too loud and distracting Gonzalez while trying to make that play.There is always a crowd that defends Bartman by blaming Gonzalez, Prior and others. My point (an obvious one) is that the loss isn't solely one person's fault but Bartman was certainly a contributer and deserves blame.You lost me.
Placing any blame on Bartman is childish and wrong.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Who do you think you are, Brian McCann?I disagree. You are assuming that a play can be made on that ball. Also, you blame players for not making plays. Not fans for going for a ball. If you blame Bartman, than you might as well blame all of the fans for yelling too loud and distracting Gonzalez while trying to make that play.There is always a crowd that defends Bartman by blaming Gonzalez, Prior and others. My point (an obvious one) is that the loss isn't solely one person's fault but Bartman was certainly a contributer and deserves blame.You lost me.
Placing any blame on Bartman is childish and wrong.
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
I'm sure this is funny, but I don't get it.Who do you think you are, Brian McCann?I disagree. You are assuming that a play can be made on that ball. Also, you blame players for not making plays. Not fans for going for a ball. If you blame Bartman, than you might as well blame all of the fans for yelling too loud and distracting Gonzalez while trying to make that play.There is always a crowd that defends Bartman by blaming Gonzalez, Prior and others. My point (an obvious one) is that the loss isn't solely one person's fault but Bartman was certainly a contributer and deserves blame.You lost me.
Placing any blame on Bartman is childish and wrong.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Someone needs to track this guy down. I need to know if he's still using those headphones from 1982.
Psychopav
Help us, Joebi-Wan Brynobi, you're our only ho
Ah, true. Maybe it's just the baseball, football, and hockey droughts that made it feel that way.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Yup, Cubbies had all the momentum in that game after Wood's HR. People forget that. Just like they forget that two nights after the Buckner error, the Red Sox held a 3-0 lead in Game 7 against the Mets in 1986 too, and they couldn't hold their lead either.Just to add - even after the Cubs lost that game 6, they were up 5-3 in game 7 but the Marlins came back on Kerry Wood to beat the Cubs 9-6 and win the pennant.
And if you watch the replay, everyone in the stands thinks the ball is going to land in the stands. To crucify one of their own fans is terrible. He didn't lose that game. That play didn't lead to a run being scored. That play essentially had no impact on the game if the shortstop makes the play he's paid to make.
Clearly that's all on Bartman as well.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Bartman was also the perfect (worst?) guy to be in that situation. If it had been a loudmouth drunk or college kid who got up yelling back at Alou or laughing it off, it wouldn't have gotten to the point it did. If it had been a woman or a kid, people would have let it go.
But Bartman, through no fault of his own, just sat there looking so upset and nerdy and pathetic. In the group of people to blame (not for what happened in the game but for the aftermath of what happened to Bartman), Alou and the Cubs fans are the biggest culprits. But FOX has to bear a large brunt of ruining his life too for keeping him on the screen for such a long time.
But Bartman, through no fault of his own, just sat there looking so upset and nerdy and pathetic. In the group of people to blame (not for what happened in the game but for the aftermath of what happened to Bartman), Alou and the Cubs fans are the biggest culprits. But FOX has to bear a large brunt of ruining his life too for keeping him on the screen for such a long time.
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TLEF316
Footballguy
I feel just absolutely awful for the guy. Just so bad. I can't imagine.
I'm sure everyone will call BS on this, but I'd bet my life that if I were in the same situation, sitting in the first row, knowing the stakes, I would have had the presence of mind to avoid going for the ball.
I'm sure everyone will call BS on this, but I'd bet my life that if I were in the same situation, sitting in the first row, knowing the stakes, I would have had the presence of mind to avoid going for the ball.
Limp Ditka
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Yep. He should have gotten up, given the double bird, and the suck it gesture.
Or at least point to one of the others with a "what did you just do?" attitude.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
That is easy to say, but it is also easy to get caught up in the excitement of the game and go for a foul ball, especially one you don't think a player will be able to get to. Remember that Bartman was listening to on his radio, which had that 5-second delay thing going, so he had no idea that Alou was right there and that he was gonna interfere with his ability to catch the ball.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Teams and fans look for scapegoats. Bartman was an easy one, as was Bill Buckner. Who knows if Alou would have even made the catch? It looks like he may have but you never know. There are 27 outs in a game...the games has ebbs and tides. The good teams play over things that don`t go their way and win. The lesser teams look for excuses after they lose.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
It still amazes me that Bartman has not been heard from at all. Unless I missed some random report, the guy simply disappeared.
Gone are the days he can go to Wrigley. Gone are the days he can walk around Chicago in fear that someone will notice him.
Whatever he is doing, I hope he is doing well. Marriage? Family? Job transfer? Name change? The guy vanished like a fart in the wind. If criminals were only as smart as him.
Gone are the days he can go to Wrigley. Gone are the days he can walk around Chicago in fear that someone will notice him.
Whatever he is doing, I hope he is doing well. Marriage? Family? Job transfer? Name change? The guy vanished like a fart in the wind. If criminals were only as smart as him.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Great, if you're going to stalk the guy, sure he is findable. But, who's looking for him? He had $$$$ in front of him and he turned it all down. That takes some balls to do.
cstu
Footballguy
You want Bartman's address? I can get you Bartman's address, believe me. There are ways, Dude. You don't wanna know about it, believe me.
