Harball Warriors releases Top 50 prospects list (1 Viewer)

[wilked]

http://www.hardballwarriors.com/HW_Top50_Prospects.html

No surprise at #1 (Upton). Boston and NYY have two top 15 prospects each for those fanbases... Mostly RHP and OFs.

Discuss

#	ORG	FIRST	LAST	POS1	ARI	Justin	Upton	OF2	CIN	Jay	Bruce	OF3	NYY	Philip	Hughes	RHP4	DET	Cameron	Maybin	OF5	LAD	Clayton	Kershaw	LHP6	BOS	Clay	Buchholz	RHP7	TB	Evan	Longoria	3B8	LAA	Brandon	Wood	3B9	CIN	Homer	Bailey	RHP10	SEA	Adam	Jones	OF

POS	TotalC	21B	3SS	23B	7OF	15LHP	5RHP	16

Teams with at least two prosects

ORG	TotalTB	6CIN	4SEA	4ARI	3BOS	3NYM	3NYY	3COL	2DET	2LAA	2LAD	2PIT	2TEX	2

 

[Capella]

TB 6

 

[Sammy3469]

After this year, there's really no way Bailey should be in the top 10. Swap him for Price and you probably have something there (though it doesn't look like they have any of this year's draft picks in their rankings). They're also missing Rasmus since he'll be in everyone elses top 10 (they have him at 12).

 

[Sammy3469]

TB 6

and that doesn't include Price

 

[s_ezy]

how often does this site update the rankings?

 

[wilked]

how often does this site update the rankings?

These are hot off the press...not sure how often they update, but I don't think it is very often...coupla times a year maybe

 

[shadyridr]

How is Hughes the #3 prospect? He maxes out at 91 mph. I dont understand where his 94-95 mph fastball went. How is Joba 11th?

 

[Sammy3469]

How is Hughes the #3 prospect? He maxes out at 91 mph. I dont understand where his 94-95 mph fastball went. How is Joba 11th?

because he's 21 and pitching in the majors with peripherals that are all still excellent. A lot of people seem to think he's still being hindered by his hamstring injury. To a man, almost all the scouts still think he'll turn out better than Joba.

 

[wilked]

Ya, Hughes absolutely belongs in front of Joba. Minor quibble in that I think Buch should be higher than Hughes, but they are so closely ranked that it really doesn't matter. I don't have the list in Excel anymore, but I would be interested in learning what the AL/NL ratio is on this list. Seems like most of the exciting young players are in the NL these days...

 

[Sammy3469]

Ya, Hughes absolutely belongs in front of Joba. Minor quibble in that I think Buch should be higher than Hughes, but they are so closely ranked that it really doesn't matter. I don't have the list in Excel anymore, but I would be interested in learning what the AL/NL ratio is on this list. Seems like most of the exciting young players are in the NL these days...

It seems like that since all the AL top prospects are all seemingly on 4 teams in the Yanks, Red Sox, Tigers (who love drafting guys who want huge signing bonuses, but it's worked so far), and most importantly the D-Rays. If you take out the D-Rays then yeah, but a top 25 list right now has 4 of them on it with Longoria, Price, McGee, and Brignac and that discounts Upton, Young, and Kazmir already at the big club. If they were in any other division, they would be serious contenders in 2 years. The only teams that come close to matching them are the Dodgers and D-Backs.Overall though, the NL has more high ceiling guys under 25 already established in the majors with Miggy, Fielder, Braun, Reyes, Wright, Hamels, Hanley, Lincecum, and Gallardo compared to guys like Cano, King Felix, BJ upton, Hughes, Joba, Kazmir, Butler, and Gordon.

 

[shadyridr]

How is Hughes the #3 prospect? He maxes out at 91 mph. I dont understand where his 94-95 mph fastball went. How is Joba 11th?

because he's 21 and pitching in the majors with peripherals that are all still excellent. A lot of people seem to think he's still being hindered by his hamstring injury. To a man, almost all the scouts still think he'll turn out better than Joba.

Cool thanks for the explanation. Once Hughes masters his control and learns to pitch his changeup more often I too think he could be awesome. But from what Ive seen Joba has better control, better stuff, and more of an FU attitude. Of course that is coming in relief but from what Ive read, he also has a nice curve and changeup as well.

 

[Sammy3469]

How is Hughes the #3 prospect? He maxes out at 91 mph. I dont understand where his 94-95 mph fastball went. How is Joba 11th?

because he's 21 and pitching in the majors with peripherals that are all still excellent. A lot of people seem to think he's still being hindered by his hamstring injury. To a man, almost all the scouts still think he'll turn out better than Joba.

Cool thanks for the explanation. Once Hughes masters his control and learns to pitch his changeup more often I too think he could be awesome. But from what Ive seen Joba has better control, better stuff, and more of an FU attitude. Of course that is coming in relief but from what Ive read, he also has a nice curve and changeup as well.

keep in mind too that Hughes has 3-4 plus plus pitches while Joba really only has 2...granted those 2 are awesome, but scouts really like to see 3 in a SP prospect. They just don't know how Joba would really project to a ML SP with those 2 pitches when he can't amp up his fastball to 100 for 6-7 IP. They think he'll be fine, but they don't really know whereas they seem to know Hughes will be fine. Plus there is also the possibility that Joba may end up as Mariano's replacement which lowers his value a little since RP are generally valued a little less than SP.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Was Porcello included? TIA.