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Harriet Tubman to replace Andrew Jackson on the $20 (1 Viewer)

Some serious racist in these parts.  I heard someone today at work say, "I guess we can call them "Dead The N word!" 

How much is that new gun Jethro?

Well I paid around 4 dead "n" 's for it!

OOF!

 
Well deserved.  Tubman risked her life to rescue people from an evil institution.  If you were looking to diversify the people who appear on our currency, she's a great selection.

 
Rove! said:
Jackson was a tyrant...good riddance...not sure what the hell people were thinking when they put him on money
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At the time in 1928 he wasn't seen how he is seen now by some.  There are those at the time that would have called him a hero almost on the level of renown that Abraham Lincoln had.

 
LAUNCH said:
National Debt under Jackson - $0

National Debt now - $19 Trillion
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You could argue that Jackson's fight against the Second Bank of the United States was the spark in the economic portion of what became the Civil War.  After he killed it Chairman Biddle did everything he could to keep it afloat and the resulting moving of money from the national bank to state banks and Jackson's fight ended up devaluing currency and led to at least 2 panics.  Those panics particularly hurt the southern states in the 1830's and 1840's and reignited the regional economic war between the north and the south.

And Jackson's hatred of the bank came from his own losses when the first bank failed as a result of land speculation that he took part of and lost a ton of money in.  You could argue that he ascended to the Presidency simply to beat up, finally, the guy that took his lunch money, and played games with the American economy in the process.

But to be fair, we don't have much of a history of anyone seeking the office of President who seems to only care about personal grudges.

 
Yankee23Fan said:
You could argue that Jackson's fight against the Second Bank of the United States was the spark in the economic portion of what became the Civil War.  After he killed it Chairman Biddle did everything he could to keep it afloat and the resulting moving of money from the national bank to state banks and Jackson's fight ended up devaluing currency and led to at least 2 panics.  Those panics particularly hurt the southern states in the 1830's and 1840's and reignited the regional economic war between the north and the south.

And Jackson's hatred of the bank came from his own losses when the first bank failed as a result of land speculation that he took part of and lost a ton of money in.  You could argue that he ascended to the Presidency simply to beat up, finally, the guy that took his lunch money, and played games with the American economy in the process.

But to be fair, we don't have much of a history of anyone seeking the office of President who seems to only care about personal grudges.
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Big fan of panics here, there was nothing wrong with panics, in fact capitalism requires panics, panics are shortlived and a panic wipes out the offsides leveraged speculator IMMEDIATELY which is exactly what is supposed to happen.  A panic directly punishes those who pushed things too far.  Our current day system bails out those that pushed things too far and punishes the innocent for years afterwards which is the exact opposite of what should happen.

 
timschochet said:
I still say Rosa Parks deserves it more. More impactful, IMO. 
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JFC, Tim.  I really like you as a poster, mostly because you are so GD endearing, even when you say silly stuff.  This post represents everything awesome and awful about your tenure in FFA.

 
ShamrockPride said:
How so? If it wasn't for the actions of Tubman (and granted many, many others), Parks may have still been picking cotton out in the fields.
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Tubman was a great heroine. But did her actions really have an impact on ending slavery? Not compared to Harriet Beecher Stowe or John Brown or Frederick Douglass. Those 3, in very different ways, had a much greater impact. 

What Rosa Parks did was far less brave than Tubman. Rosa did not risk her life to the same extent ( I suppose she could have been lynched or murdered) and she didn't do it multiple times. She performed one symbolic act. But because of mass media that act captured the public imagination and had a much greater impact, and is far more important to the history of African-Americans, and of our country, than the combined total of Harriet Tubman's entire life IMO. 

 
timschochet said:
Tubman was a great heroine. But did her actions really have an impact on ending slavery? Not compared to Harriet Beecher Stowe or John Brown or Frederick Douglass. Those 3, in very different ways, had a much greater impact. 

What Rosa Parks did was far less brave than Tubman. Rosa did not risk her life to the same extent ( I suppose she could have been lynched or murdered) and she didn't do it multiple times. She performed one symbolic act. But because of mass media that act captured the public imagination and had a much greater impact, and is far more important to the history of African-Americans, and of our country, than the combined total of Harriet Tubman's entire life IMO. 
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I agree Rosa Parks is a better choice, was very much the face of the civil rights movement for her generation (for someone who was not a leader, just an average person who essentially said, "enough is enough"). But I think it is too soon to for her to be on currency and there would be controversy, as evidenced by some of the reactions here "What did she do outside of refuse to give up her seat to a white person? What was the big deal? It was only a bus ride!" :hophead:

 
timschochet said:
Tubman was a great heroine. But did her actions really have an impact on ending slavery? Not compared to Harriet Beecher Stowe or John Brown or Frederick Douglass. Those 3, in very different ways, had a much greater impact. 

What Rosa Parks did was far less brave than Tubman. Rosa did not risk her life to the same extent ( I suppose she could have been lynched or murdered) and she didn't do it multiple times. She performed one symbolic act. But because of mass media that act captured the public imagination and had a much greater impact, and is far more important to the history of African-Americans, and of our country, than the combined total of Harriet Tubman's entire life IMO. 
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Parks might've just been in a pissy mood that day and didn't feel like getting up. Basically she was the schlub in the checkout line and suddenly confetti falls and there's a huge MILLIONTH CUSTOMER!!! banner. Big whoop.

 
It's a shame Rosa Parks has been reduced to just refusing to give up her seat. I'm finding that a lot of women in the civil rights movement are overlooked in favor of the MLKs and Malcolm X's. Rosa Parks was very instrumental in the workings of the NAACP and after she moved to Detroit in 1965 she was very politically active. 

The Montgomery Bus Boycott was beautifully orchestrated by the NAACP. She knew very well that she'd get arrested, that was the plan in order to highlight the issues on the city buses. 

 
timschochet said:
Tubman was a great heroine. But did her actions really have an impact on ending slavery? Not compared to Harriet Beecher Stowe or John Brown or Frederick Douglass. Those 3, in very different ways, had a much greater impact. 

What Rosa Parks did was far less brave than Tubman. Rosa did not risk her life to the same extent ( I suppose she could have been lynched or murdered) and she didn't do it multiple times. She performed one symbolic act. But because of mass media that act captured the public imagination and had a much greater impact, and is far more important to the history of African-Americans, and of our country, than the combined total of Harriet Tubman's entire life IMO. 
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Tubman is the epitome of American exceptionalism. She saw a problem, she saw injustice, and she worked within her means -- at the most severe personal threat -- to do her part to stop the injustice.  She did everything humanly possible for a person in her position to do.  She risked her life; she provided an example for others to live by.  She connected hundreds, if not thousands, of people to the movement of what she was doing.  She influenced, personally and directly, hundreds if not thousands.  And she did it without going batsht crazy like John Brown, who really took the easy way out because he know that he could only act once.  She acted over and over and over again.  She led an armed expedition in the civil war (the first woman to do so), for god's sake.  Look at the actions, Tim.  The actions that this woman took are almost unparalleled.  

 
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