Harvin to Bills/ Formerly the Harvin to Hawks & Jets (1 Viewer)

[Hooper31]

Doug Baldwin is a sneaky pickup right now if he's out there. Guaranteed to get a few more targets per week with Rice out and whatever's going on with Harvin. He's flashed some big play ability when he's gotten a chance.

Jermain Kearse is starting in the spot Rice plays.

From Carroll:

LINK

(On Doug Baldwin…) “It was nothing by design it just happened that way. We love what he does. We’ll get him involved by throwing it to him, but he’s in the offense and he’ll be a big part. He’ll have more opportunity with Sidney not being in there now. We’re excited to see him start in a game, and play, and Jermaine Kearse play a bunch and all of the guys add to it.”

 

[matuski]

someone merge the harvin threads or delete the other

 

[Hooper31]

someone merge the harvin threads or delete the other

You can request it by using the report button. I'm sure they will get on it as soon as you ask them.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Speaking in a Thursday radio interview, Seahawks coach Pete Carroll said Percy Harvin (hip, PUP) won't be active for Week 9.
Harvin has gone from having a chance to play in Week 8 to being dicey for Week 10 after his hip "flared up" last Thursday. The Seahawks are likely just being cautious, but it's a concern for a player coming off surgery. Harvin should be considered week to week. He's getting harder to trust as a late-season fantasy savior.

Source: Lindsay Jones on Twitter

 

[ImTheScientist]

It's painfully clear that he suffered a set back (IMO by pushing too hard to return too soon). Now the question is how severe? Waiting intently for those details or at least clues to them.

Harvin was back at practice today.

 

[fbelange]

Harvin has a beer belly

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I was right.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I was right.

I will give you this one. We are now tied at 1-1.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I was right.

I will give you this one. We are now tied at 1-1.

 

[JuniorNB]

I was right.

I will give you this one. We are now tied at 1-1.

LOL His record is about 1-84 this season.

 

[Gopher State]

So we know harvin is out for week 9, with Atl and MN up next, two easy games for seattle, I don't see them taking the risk and playing him before week 13 vs NO. I sure harvin would like to play vs MN, but he's not calling the shots. Looking more and more from a FF outlook that harvin is not going to be the late season MVP that we all were hoping for. Could help some teams, but he could be on a snap count when he returns. I still like him as stash in 14+ teams, but lessor leagues not so much.

 

[TeeDub]

I'm just hoping he at least plays at least limited before the bye to work him out

 

[Dizzy]

Not a truly fair comparison... but this feels a little like the Gronk situation. Comes back to practice and his status was "maybe this week" for 3 or 4 weeks. Conditioning and "football shape" are drastically different.

If I'm Seattle I'm not risking Harvin until the last few week of the regular season. They don't need him to make the playoffs, but they may think they need him to go to the Super Bowl.

 

[packersfan]

Making the playoffs isn't Seattle's goal. They want to get to the Super Bowl. Considering how they often struggle on the road, securing the No. 1 seed in the NFC is huge for them. That's especially true if it means avoiding going to places like New Orleans or maybe Green Bay for the NFC Title Game.

Their offense looked absolutely abysmal last Monday against the Rams (a road game). On top of that Rice is done for the season. He wasn't great but it does thin their WR corps. So put all that together and I think they could use Harvin pretty badly right now. I don't think they rush him back but when he's ready to play I think he plays. If he's ready before the bye I think it behooves them to play him then in order to get him acclimated to the NFL again so that he's ready to go full tilt in the season's final month.

From a fantasy perspective, if Harvin does return for the final month he has the potential to be a significant difference maker during that time. For that reason, I think he remains a strong hold in all formats where the roster size allows.

 

[Dizzy]

Making the playoffs isn't Seattle's goal. They want to get to the Super Bowl. Considering how they often struggle on the road, securing the No. 1 seed in the NFC is huge for them. That's especially true if it means avoiding going to places like New Orleans or maybe Green Bay for the NFC Title Game.

Their offense looked absolutely abysmal last Monday against the Rams (a road game). On top of that Rice is done for the season. He wasn't great but it does thin their WR corps. So put all that together and I think they could use Harvin pretty badly right now. I don't think they rush him back but when he's ready to play I think he plays. If he's ready before the bye I think it behooves them to play him then in order to get him acclimated to the NFL again so that he's ready to go full tilt in the season's final month.

From a fantasy perspective, if Harvin does return for the final month he has the potential to be a significant difference maker during that time. For that reason, I think he remains a strong hold in all formats where the roster size allows.

Agreed, and I think it may be a cautionary tale for those that had SEA already slotted in for the Super Bowl. Lynch is the gear that drives that offense... the way it looked to me, if Russell has to carry them with his arm it could be big trouble. O-line looked pretty weak on sure passing downs.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Why did three different teams I play this week input Harvin in their lineup over the past 12 hours?

The news is he is NOT playing correct?

 

[ImTheScientist]

Considering how they often struggle on the road, securing the No. 1 seed in the NFC is huge for them.

You need a little educating I see. What is their record on the road since the midpoint of the season last year till now? Look it up, then think about what you just wrote.

 

[packersfan]

The Seahawks are 11-0 at home and 7-6 on the road with Wilson as the starter.

Here are some more stats:

The Seahawks' two lowest scoring games of the season came on the road.

Of their four lowest-scoring games of the season, three came on the road.

Defensively, they have given up 20 points or more three times. All three of those games came on the road.

I stand behind what I said.

 

[buddhacwru]

Considering how they often struggle on the road, securing the No. 1 seed in the NFC is huge for them.

You need a little educating I see. What is their record on the road since the midpoint of the season last year till now? Look it up, then think about what you just wrote.

Don't be a homer. There is more than record. They don't pass the eye test on the road. I've got no rooting interest for or against the Seahawks. They look much better at home.

 

[JustinHawkins]

Any updates on Harvin's ovaries?

 

[JustinHawkins]

The Seahawks are 11-0 at home and 7-6 on the road with Wilson as the starter.

Here are some more stats:

The Seahawks' two lowest scoring games of the season came on the road.

Of their four lowest-scoring games of the season, three came on the road.

Defensively, they have given up 20 points or more three times. All three of those games came on the road.

I stand behind what I said.

That is major ownage right there. Well done packersfan

 

[sho nuff]

The Seahawks are 11-0 at home and 7-6 on the road with Wilson as the starter.

Here are some more stats:

The Seahawks' two lowest scoring games of the season came on the road.

Of their four lowest-scoring games of the season, three came on the road.

Defensively, they have given up 20 points or more three times. All three of those games came on the road.

I stand behind what I said.

It's encouraging that they can win games where they look like crap on offense, but they still looked like crap on offense. Though STL is pretty much tailor made to give the hawks problems, which they've done big time over the last couple years.

Agreed...one of those teams that for whatever reason, seems to have their number.

And anyone denying how different they appear road vs. home is completely blind.

 

[JuniorNB]

Considering how they often struggle on the road, securing the No. 1 seed in the NFC is huge for them.

You need a little educating I see. What is their record on the road since the midpoint of the season last year till now? Look it up, then think about what you just wrote.

They are an average team at best on the road. Did you miss the Rams game? They had no business winning that game. And the Rams aren't good. Against a playoff caliber team on the road, it's bye-bye Seahawks.

 

[Mr. Bojangles]

Considering how they often struggle on the road, securing the No. 1 seed in the NFC is huge for them.

You need a little educating I see. What is their record on the road since the midpoint of the season last year till now? Look it up, then think about what you just wrote.

They are an average team at best on the road. Did you miss the Rams game? They had no business winning that game. And the Rams aren't good. Against a playoff caliber team on the road, it's bye-bye Seahawks.

Hmmm really? They are 4-1 on the road so far in 2013. If that's average, sign me up.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

A recent MRI on Percy Harvin's hip revealed "no complications," coach Pete Carroll told reporters Friday.
Carroll ruled out Harvin for Week 9, but the Seahawks seem optimistic he still has a chance to help them down the stretch. Fantasy owners need to hang onto Harvin as an injured WR4/5 based purely on rest-of-season upside.

Source: John Boyle on Twitter

 

[The Jerk]

Making the playoffs isn't Seattle's goal. They want to get to the Super Bowl. Considering how they often struggle on the road, securing the No. 1 seed in the NFC is huge for them. That's especially true if it means avoiding going to places like New Orleans or maybe Green Bay for the NFC Title Game.

Their offense looked absolutely abysmal last Monday against the Rams (a road game). On top of that Rice is done for the season. He wasn't great but it does thin their WR corps. So put all that together and I think they could use Harvin pretty badly right now. I don't think they rush him back but when he's ready to play I think he plays. If he's ready before the bye I think it behooves them to play him then in order to get him acclimated to the NFL again so that he's ready to go full tilt in the season's final month.

From a fantasy perspective, if Harvin does return for the final month he has the potential to be a significant difference maker during that time. For that reason, I think he remains a strong hold in all formats where the roster size allows.

Agreed, and I think it may be a cautionary tale for those that had SEA already slotted in for the Super Bowl. Lynch is the gear that drives that offense... the way it looked to me, if Russell has to carry them with his arm it could be big trouble. O-line looked pretty weak on sure passing downs.

I agree with packersfan's logic and I've been stating for weeks that Harvin was unlikely to make much impact, in particular in fantasy statistics, before the bye. Rice's injury may have ever so slightly accelerated the timetable, but Harvin's flareup last week negates that impetus.

The Seahawks could definitely use him, and they know that. But they also know that rushing him back is more likely to backfire and further delay his return.

I also agree with Dizzy concerning the Seattle offensive line. The Seahawks could have had Jerry Rice, Lance Alworth and Don Hutson all in their prime, and they still would have struggled against the Rams. Virtually no time for Wilson. Without better protection, it won't much matter if Harvin comes back. It's more than just getting Percy back, they also need the injured linemen back.

 

[biju]

Making the playoffs isn't Seattle's goal. They want to get to the Super Bowl. Considering how they often struggle on the road, securing the No. 1 seed in the NFC is huge for them. That's especially true if it means avoiding going to places like New Orleans or maybe Green Bay for the NFC Title Game.

Their offense looked absolutely abysmal last Monday against the Rams (a road game). On top of that Rice is done for the season. He wasn't great but it does thin their WR corps. So put all that together and I think they could use Harvin pretty badly right now. I don't think they rush him back but when he's ready to play I think he plays. If he's ready before the bye I think it behooves them to play him then in order to get him acclimated to the NFL again so that he's ready to go full tilt in the season's final month.

From a fantasy perspective, if Harvin does return for the final month he has the potential to be a significant difference maker during that time. For that reason, I think he remains a strong hold in all formats where the roster size allows.

Agreed, and I think it may be a cautionary tale for those that had SEA already slotted in for the Super Bowl. Lynch is the gear that drives that offense... the way it looked to me, if Russell has to carry them with his arm it could be big trouble. O-line looked pretty weak on sure passing downs.

I agree with packersfan's logic and I've been stating for weeks that Harvin was unlikely to make much impact, in particular in fantasy statistics, before the bye. Rice's injury may have ever so slightly accelerated the timetable, but Harvin's flareup last week negates that impetus.

The Seahawks could definitely use him, and they know that. But they also know that rushing him back is more likely to backfire and further delay his return.

I also agree with Dizzy concerning the Seattle offensive line. The Seahawks could have had Jerry Rice, Lance Alworth and Don Hutson all in their prime, and they still would have struggled against the Rams. Virtually no time for Wilson. Without better protection, it won't much matter if Harvin comes back. It's more than just getting Percy back, they also need the injured linemen back.

Exactly. Russell Okung was able to practice today but did not--he's still tentative for November 17th, which is the first game he is eligible to be back. Breno Giacomini is expected to be back at practice next week and is obviously eligible at any time. This means they may get Breno back for the Atlanta game and there should be strong optimism for him being back for the Vikings game, the same game Okung can be back.

Having said all of this, there is something to be said about O-line continuity and I don't expect everything to be "fixed" right away. But I do think things will be in order for the Saints and 49ers games (fortunately for Seahawks fans).

 

[packersfan]

Two things that could help the Seahawks' battered offensive line in my opinion:

1. More running for Lynch (and Turbin if necessary). Reduce the amount of stress on Wilson dropping back to pass and the line being asked to pass protect. The game plan against St. Louis was ridiculous and I'm guessing Bevell (who's not a complete idiot) realizes it now. .

2. Percy Harvin. Not only is Harvin a help in the pass game, you can line him up in the backfield and he can either play as a RB or you can get him swing passes so he turns the passing game into an extension of the running game without putting Wilson in harm's way.

Harvin helps this team immensely right now in my opinion. Again, I don't think the Seahawks rush him back but I think the Rams' game is a strong example of how badly they need him and how much help he could provide. I think they're at the point where once he's able to play he's gotta play.

 

[stbugs]

Considering how they often struggle on the road, securing the No. 1 seed in the NFC is huge for them.

You need a little educating I see. What is their record on the road since the midpoint of the season last year till now? Look it up, then think about what you just wrote.

They are an average team at best on the road. Did you miss the Rams game? They had no business winning that game. And the Rams aren't good. Against a playoff caliber team on the road, it's bye-bye Seahawks.

Hmmm really? They are 4-1 on the road so far in 2013. If that's average, sign me up.

LOL, did you watch any of the games? They beat Carolina by 5 and DeAngelo Williams fumbled on a 16 yard run to the Seattle 8 yard line with 5 minutes left when Carolina was playing far worse than they are now (Newton looked awful). They beat St. Louis on a last second goal line stand because their K missed a FG a drive before that could have let them kick an easy game ending FG. They beat Houston because Schaub threw one of the stupidest pick 6es I have ever seen with 2 minutes left that led to overtime even though Houston was trying to run out the clock at that point. I'll give them the Cardinals win on the road, but geez, they are one yard, one fumble and one dumb mistake away from being 1-4 on the road this year. Please don't try and make it look like the road team is the same team that destroyed SF at home.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

Percy Harvin. Not only is Harvin a help in the pass game, you can line him up in the backfield and he can either play as a RB or you can get him swing passes so he turns the passing game into an extension of the running game without putting Wilson in harm's way.

Harvin helps this team immensely right now

This. Harvin could be an immediate stud.

 

[Dizzy]

The "recent MRI that revealed no complications"... are there any reports stating that this was a regularly-scheduled MRI (as part of the rehab process), or was it a reaction to something that Harvin experienced after practicing?

Hate to read too much into it, but is it wasn't scheduled prior to him practicing, that would raise a major flag for me.

 

[nastynate]

The "recent MRI that revealed no complications"... are there any reports stating that this was a regularly-scheduled MRI (as part of the rehab process), or was it a reaction to something that Harvin experienced after practicing?

Hate to read too much into it, but is it wasn't scheduled prior to him practicing, that would raise a major flag for me.

He's obviously struggling with some pain/inflammation. It's not shocking. I'll still be happy if I can get him full go after their bye week. Gives him another month to get back into the swing of things, and gives fantasy owners a big boost headed into the playoffs.

 

[Breesisdaman]

I'm torn. As a Harvin owner I sure could use his points in my fantasy line up the sooner the better however as a Saints fan I am liking the risks that the Seahawks are up against if indeed Harvin is well enough to play and they think they can hold him out for a playoff run. The Seahawks have not been spectacular on offense and nearly lost to the Texans and the Rams and did lose to Indy.

They have lost their deep threat and Red zone threat in Sidney Rice and now Lynch is sitting out of practice with a bum knee. Wilson is getting abused because his o line isn't blocking. Good teams are coming up on the schedule so I think a little reality check may be in their future.

 

[Breesisdaman]

So we know harvin is out for week 9, with Atl and MN up next, two easy games for seattle, I don't see them taking the risk and playing him before week 13 vs NO. I sure harvin would like to play vs MN, but he's not calling the shots. Looking more and more from a FF outlook that harvin is not going to be the late season MVP that we all were hoping for. Could help some teams, but he could be on a snap count when he returns. I still like him as stash in 14+ teams, but lessor leagues not so much.

Dude, The Seahawks nearly lost to the Rams who were playing a backup QB. I don't see any "easy" games for the Seahawks especially now. Atlanta and MN both are able to pull a win out. Its very possible. edit.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Why would Atlanta have payback on their mind for a game they won? And even if they did, going up against Seattle without Julio and a healthy Roddy will be a tough go, even in Atlanta.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Why would Atlanta have payback on their mind for a game they won? And even if they did, going up against Seattle without Julio and a healthy Roddy will be a tough go, even in Atlanta.

Sorry, 49ers confusion there. Atlanta will be at home and are tough at home in spite of their record that in itself is nothing to overlook and call an easy win

I'm no Falcon fan let me tell you that but there are players that can step up and maybe Roddy is ready for that game, Gonzo is there and Stephen Jackson. I am not predicting the outcome but it is far from a cruise control victory for the Seahawks.

 

[biju]

I'm torn. As a Harvin owner I sure could use his points in my fantasy line up the sooner the better however as a Saints fan I am liking the risks that the Seahawks are up against if indeed Harvin is well enough to play and they think they can hold him out for a playoff run. The Seahawks have not been spectacular on offense and nearly lost to the Texans and the Rams and did lose to Indy.

They have lost their deep threat and Red zone threat in Sidney Rice and now Lynch is sitting out of practice with a bum knee. Wilson is getting abused because his o line isn't blocking. Good teams are coming up on the schedule so I think a little reality check may be in their future.

I won't lie--I'm concerned about the recent close wins. But I think you're overvaluing Rice considerably (or perhaps undervaluing Golden Tate and Doug Baldwin). Also, Lynch isn't hurt per local media.

We'll get back our two tackles ahead of the Saints game so don't worry about it not being a close enough game for you.

 

[The Jerk]

Percy Harvin news

Carroll said he threw around with wide receiver Percy Harvin (hip) before the team's walk-through today and was impressed with his workout, but noted Harvin would not participate in Wednesday's practice session.

"We're excited that he's strong and feeling good," said Carroll. "We'll see what he can do in the days ahead."

Carroll emphasized that it is a matter of when - not if - the wide receiver will return to action this season. While the club feels confident in what Harvin has demonstrated in his recovery from his August hip surgery, Carroll said they need to make sure he's physically fit in all areas, as Harvin's aggressive playstyle as a runner, returner, and receiver features quick cuts and breaks in route-running, changes in direction, and leaves him vulnerable to some of the more violent hits on the field."We just have to do it right because we want him to finish the season with us and have this not be an issue," Carroll said. "For him to play at this level he's got to be ready to go.

"When he really feels secure, solid, and great, then we'll bust him out."

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

I honestly don't expect much this fantasy season from him. I've held him in one league, but traded him in a package deal in another, and outright dropped him in another.

 

[TeeDub]

Yeah I'm really thinking about dropping him now. I might just stick with vereen to take up that roster spot

 

[Phenix]

Yeah I'm really thinking about dropping him now. I might just stick with vereen to take up that roster spot

Nah, Harvin will be back after the bye at the latest. What's that, Week 13? If he plays he will be at 100% and effective, well worth the stash for the playoff run. Who could you possibly roster that could do as much damage as him in the playoff run?

 

[TeeDub]

I'm starting to think he won't be 100% by at least fantasy playoffs and I wouldn't be surprised if they try to ease up on him to get his full explosiveness for when the Seahawks are in the playoffs. Plus he's coming from a big lower body injury just a few months ago. The speculations of his return had made me an optimist, but the setbacks are starting to make me a realist

 

[stbugs]

I was hoping he'd be back by this week, oh well. The two leagues I have him in are keeper leagues, so I still like his prospects for next year. It would have been nice though after losing Wayne with an ineffective Bowe and Blackmon with Julio in those leagues.

I hope he is there for the playoffs, but there may have been some guys like Allen and Stacy that I thought about picking up before they exploded that maybe I would have grabbed with an extra spot. Tough to say, but a roster spot is hard to open with small benches, so who knows.

 

[Dizzy]

I honestly don't expect much this fantasy season from him. I've held him in one league, but traded him in a package deal in another, and outright dropped him in another.

Really? I don't disagree with your post, but it seems like he holds trade value for guys hoping to catch lightning in a bottle for the stretch run.

Has he been scooped off of waivers yet?

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Week 10 was probably the soonest we expected him and so it didn't happen. We wanted Gronk Week 6 and got him Week 8 and it's been worth it. If Week 12 rolls around and we don't hear much good news, then we have something to worry about.

 

[Bobby Guano]

The Hawks are @ATL then home for MIN then bye in week 12. They have no reason to rush him back for either of these games, very winnable without him.

Percy comes back after the bye for NO and tears #### up down the stretch.

 

[packersfan]

The Hawks are @ATL then home for MIN then bye in week 12. They have no reason to rush him back for either of these games, very winnable without him.

Seattle barely won the last two weeks. Yes they won but they struggled to do it. I think they badly need Harvin. If he's ready to play it makes no sense not to play him in my opinion.

 

[Bobby Guano]

The Hawks are @ATL then home for MIN then bye in week 12. They have no reason to rush him back for either of these games, very winnable without him.

Seattle barely won the last two weeks. Yes they won but they struggled to do it. I think they badly need Harvin. If he's ready to play it makes no sense not to play him in my opinion.

A win is a win...every week in the NFL is a struggle for the most part. I don't disagree but it sounds like they are being a little bit more cautious after the "flare up".

While it would be great if he could play sooner I'm expecting him back week 13, 14 the latest...If he's not back by then its pretty much a lost season with him from a fantasy perspective. Absolutely worth the gamble either way.

 

[packersfan]

I agree they need to be smart with him. I just don't agree that they can wait because of potentially easy matchups. I think if Harvin's ready he needs to play.

 

[Phenix]

Coach Pete Carroll insists Percy Harvin doesn't have any discomfort in his hip "at all."

Harvin's timetable took a step back a couple weeks ago when some soreness flared up. Now the Seahawks are exercising extreme caution. Harvin is not practicing full speed and is not expected to play Sunday. A debut in Week 11 or right after the Week 12 bye makes sense. "When we really feel secure and solid and he feels great, then we'll bust him out," Carroll said. Harvin remains a must hold.
Source: ESPN 710 Seattle
Nov 7 - 8:31 AM
Then why isn't he gonna play?