Grahamburn
Footballguy
Rice wasn't an overly impactful player, but I do think Harvin's targets/touches are trending upward.
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Harvin to Bills/ Formerly the Harvin to Hawks & Jets (1 Viewer)
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JFS171
Footballguy
That's my exact hesitation... his value is unquestioned when he's on the field, and I'm in a short window (Peyton) and looking to load up. But I've gotta appropriately price the risk too... thus my question.
matttyl
Footballguy
One would think they have to. Wilson will surely have over 400 attempts this year, where are they going to go? And that's not counting any rushing attempts that Harvin
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Don Quixote
Footballguy
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 4m
RT @SandoESPN: #Seahawks camp: Percy Harvin limps off. Moving slowly.
RT @SandoESPN: #Seahawks camp: Percy Harvin limps off. Moving slowly.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
At least he's moving anyway.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Word is that he got cleated. He took part in the last play of practice and running full speed.
MASSHOLE
Footballguy
John Boyle @johnpboyle · 3m
Harvin took part in what ended up being the last play of practice. Apparently whatever sent him to the locker room earlier was minor.
@johnpboyle · 7m
Percy Harvin just jogged back on the field and has his helmet on. #Seahawks
Harvin took part in what ended up being the last play of practice. Apparently whatever sent him to the locker room earlier was minor.
@johnpboyle · 7m
Percy Harvin just jogged back on the field and has his helmet on. #Seahawks
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Damn Twitter straight to Hell and God Bless it all in the same breath.
Banger
Footballguy
ya, I look at the other guys he's being drafted around and he's screaming "Pick me!!, Pick me!!"....I think he'll be on all my teams and is definitely worth the injury risk. WR is so deep I can grab another WR later for insurance. He's a WR1 when he's in the lineup and his injury history is discounting him pretty nicely. You know going in you have to provide a little more insurance which I don't mind doing at WR since there are a lot of middle round guys that I like.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
The thing about injuries is that they are a problem until they aren't. We've seen it many times. Isaac Bruce and Fred Taylor being the shining examples. Harvin is an electric player. He might even be the very best player on the entire Seahawks offense. He's that good. He really is. There isn't anyone in the NFL that brings to the table what Harvin does.
I agree, if he is healthy, he will do very well. Just watch the Super Bowl and his handful of plays. He just looked like he was faster than everyone. He's one of my tough keeper decisions.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
The thing is this, if you are going to discount his value because of injury, you have to discount anyone who has been hurt. Don't let the recency of those injuries dictate your strategy too much. If you are talking about choosing between Harvin and a player who is an ironman, that's one thing. But when choosing between Harvin and a guy like Roddy or Crabtree, I don't think you should be too biased. Just roll with it.
All things considered I think Roddy White is as much of an ironman as you can expect a WR to be. Prior to last year he had not missed a single game in his entire career. That's a significant career with ONE notable injury.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Maybe. But up until 2012, Harvin was an Ironman too. He'd played in 51 straight games according to the FBG game logs. He's been hurt a lot since.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Counting playoffs, Harvin appeared in 56 of his first 59 games to open his career. The three games he missed were due to migraines which have since been diagnosed (sleep apnea), treated (CPAP machine), and resolved (no migraines in over three years now), and are therefore no longer relevant to his injury history going forward.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I agree. That's pretty consistent. However I do think the main reason Harvin is down with the dregs around 20th overall WR is because of his recent injuries. I don't tend to think he's any more likely to get injured than Thomas or Dez.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I'm big on Harvin, but I'm not going to pretend that the injury issues aren't real. He's not some ironman that had a fluky injury or two. He's been constantly banged up even dating back to his days at Florida. He was always on the injury report with a bad ankle or sore hamstring or something else, and you never knew whether he was going to come out and be Percy Harvin running all over the place or a gimpy decoy.
It reminds me of Beanie Wells a bit. A guy that was always ailing but didn't actually miss that many games, so people trying to convince themselves that he wasn't a risk focused simply on games played.
I love Harvin, own him in dynasty, and am targeting him in my redrafts. But let's not kid ourselves, when we got that twitter report the other day about Harvin limping off in practice we all kind of had that thought in the back of our heads that we knew this was coming, even though it turned out to be nothing.
He could be a monster, and that's why I want him on my teams, but the risk is very real.
It reminds me of Beanie Wells a bit. A guy that was always ailing but didn't actually miss that many games, so people trying to convince themselves that he wasn't a risk focused simply on games played.
I love Harvin, own him in dynasty, and am targeting him in my redrafts. But let's not kid ourselves, when we got that twitter report the other day about Harvin limping off in practice we all kind of had that thought in the back of our heads that we knew this was coming, even though it turned out to be nothing.
He could be a monster, and that's why I want him on my teams, but the risk is very real.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
no thanks.
he is way overvalued. I dont think the Seattle WR1 will produce well. and he is injury prone
Someone else in my leagues will take him before me for sure
he is way overvalued. I dont think the Seattle WR1 will produce well. and he is injury prone
Someone else in my leagues will take him before me for sure
Wilson is in his 3rd year and based on his progression, getting close to 4000 and 30TDs isn't much of a stretch (26 both years and 3357 last year). That is one extra passing TD every 4 weeks and 40 more yards a game. Given some of the new Sproles type easy routes Harvin brings to the table, I don't think either is a huge leap. Harvin with some runs as well, should be able to put up WR1 numbers with Wilson with good health.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I believe Wilson absolutely has the ability to hit the numbers you project. I just don't think Pete will give him the chance as long as the D and run game are clicking. IMO, you'll need a break down in one or both of those two facets to get Wilson there. This makes me downgrade Percy a bit also. Less so, though because I think he has a chance at grabbing a huge slice of the (relatively) smallish pie.
Two thoughts. First, I think the Seahawks D was at their top last year, so I think they regress a bit along with Lynch. Second, Percy is one WR that has proven that he can produce WR1 numbers with a crappy QB. Wilson is not Ponder and maybe Harvin steals from Lynch like when ADP was hurt.
Tau837
Footballguy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I think his current ADP in redraft represents crazy good value. Other WRs you'll typically see going in the 5th are Hilton, Edleman, Djax and Maclin. Hilton is also very appealing but if I were in the market for a WR at that point in the draft I could see myself going with Harvin a large majority of the time.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
No way I'd take Hilton over Harvin, in dynasty or redraft.
Tau837
Footballguy
IMO the idea of taking any of these WRs over Harvin is laughable. Edit: dynasty or redraft.
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Percy Harvin reaching 'new gears' at Seahawks camp:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000377746/article/percy-harvin-reaching-new-gears-at-seahawks-camp
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000377746/article/percy-harvin-reaching-new-gears-at-seahawks-camp
Stealthycat
Footballguy
which elevates QB Russell Wilson's value
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I agree, and he's really good value. I had Harvin at what I thought was a ridiculously cheap auction keeper price ($8) in one league, but I did not have room to keep, so I offered him up for trade. This resulted in some heckling e-mails asking me if we get points for migraines, and offering up Jonathan Franklin since he'll get as many points (the latter had Hilton on the block with an $18 keeper price). I did not get any offers; I guess I'll just pick him back up at the auction for cheap.
FBG_Dave
Footballguy
The question is, will those headaches return if Seattle lays another turd of a season?
matttyl
Footballguy
Harvin's last migraine was during the 2010 season, which means he made it through all 16 games of Minnesota's 3-13 campaign without a single recurrence. I would think that if bad football was a trigger for Harvin's migraines, we would have discovered it by now.
Largent
Footballguy
Adam has hit the nail on the head with Percy all off-season. He's looked explosive in camp, not missed anything etc....but I'm perticularily impressed by his attitude this year....after last season, he wants to knock this year out of the park.
No way is he going to be "preserved" for year end action (which I think will be Lynch's scenario), and even with 4-5 catches a game - he's going to receive anywhere from 2-5 carries as well. Not great in PPR, but his YAC and chance to take it to the house is higher than any other player in the game. Carroll is drooling with the possibilities.
I locked him up as a 13th round keeper, and a Seattle fan, so yes I might be biased.
No way is he going to be "preserved" for year end action (which I think will be Lynch's scenario), and even with 4-5 catches a game - he's going to receive anywhere from 2-5 carries as well. Not great in PPR, but his YAC and chance to take it to the house is higher than any other player in the game. Carroll is drooling with the possibilities.
I locked him up as a 13th round keeper, and a Seattle fan, so yes I might be biased.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Percy Harvin: I’ve found gears I didn’t know I had
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/14/percy-harvin-ive-found-gears-i-didnt-know-i-had/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/14/percy-harvin-ive-found-gears-i-didnt-know-i-had/
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Bob Magaw
Footballguy
With no hyperbole, when healthy, Harvin is one of the most dangerous and explosive open field runners once he has the ball in his hands I've seen. Ever. Its like a Star Trek episode where the aliens are moving at a speeded up rate relative to the crew (the last part was hyperbole). 
* Just a reminder of how good his partial 2012 season was. He was looking like an ascendant player, in the midst of a career year in his last extended action, and isn't exactly a geezer at 26 (he could play another half decade and still be just 30, generally not an age we associate with being ancient or decrepit for a WR).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APDSnAGf4wA
* Just a reminder of how good his partial 2012 season was. He was looking like an ascendant player, in the midst of a career year in his last extended action, and isn't exactly a geezer at 26 (he could play another half decade and still be just 30, generally not an age we associate with being ancient or decrepit for a WR).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APDSnAGf4wA
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Thanks for the video clip, Bob. Two things- love that goal line carry at 1:20. That's exactly why everyone who thinks he's not going to get a boatload of carries this year simply doesn't understand his game. That's what he does. Harvin's an RB trapped inside a WR's body. There was no trickery there, Minnesota just said "hey, let's give Adrian Peterson a breather and give Percy Harvin an inside handoff from the 4-yard line, instead."With no hyperbole, when healthy, Harvin is one of the most dangerous and explosive open field runners once he has the ball in his hands I've seen. Ever. Its like a Star Trek episode where the aliens are moving at a speeded up rate relative to the crew (the last part was hyperbole).
* Just a reminder of how good his partial 2012 season was. He was looking like an ascendant player, in the midst of a career year in his last extended action, and isn't exactly a geezer at 26 (he could play another half decade and still be just 30, generally not an age we associate with being ancient or decrepit for a WR).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APDSnAGf4wA
Second, listen to Pete Carroll talk to and about Harvin. Those clips were from months before the trade, and you can hear just how badly it still killed him that Harvin chose UF over USC. You can tell losing out on Harvin had been eating at him since 2006.
I really have no idea how Seattle is going to wind up using Harvin this year, but I'm so, so excited to see it play out.
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Bob Magaw
Footballguy
He is RB-like in a lot of ways, Adam. He has the Florida WR record for rushing yards, several NFL records for his position.
Despite being listed at 5'11", 185 lbs., he reportedly benched 400+ lbs. (probably more than a lot of RBs), has outstanding contact balance, electric cutting ability and natural run instincts and vision.
While not the fastest player in the league, Virginia has produced some great athletes and football players, and Harvin stands out. He led his football team to three straight state championships, his basketball team to a state finals appearance, and in 2005 became the first track athlete with five state titles (including the 100, 200, long and triple jumps) in nearly three quarters of a century, circa pre-WW II. He won at Florida. His success at every level has been well documented, extending back to age group national championships in the 4 X 100 relay at 12, and in Pop Warner at 13.
Getting an answer to how Harvin fares is one of the things I'm most excited about discovering during the 2013 season, as well.
Despite being listed at 5'11", 185 lbs., he reportedly benched 400+ lbs. (probably more than a lot of RBs), has outstanding contact balance, electric cutting ability and natural run instincts and vision.
While not the fastest player in the league, Virginia has produced some great athletes and football players, and Harvin stands out. He led his football team to three straight state championships, his basketball team to a state finals appearance, and in 2005 became the first track athlete with five state titles (including the 100, 200, long and triple jumps) in nearly three quarters of a century, circa pre-WW II. He won at Florida. His success at every level has been well documented, extending back to age group national championships in the 4 X 100 relay at 12, and in Pop Warner at 13.
Getting an answer to how Harvin fares is one of the things I'm most excited about discovering during the 2013 season, as well.
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I'm all in on Harvin this year. I "reached" for him at 41st overall in the SSLs and couldn't be happier about it.
Most of my redraft leagues use ESPN, and I almost couldn't believe my eyes when I pulled up their ADP listings yesterday. I've got my fingers crossed that my fellow owners are relying on them as their frame of reference ... because if Gronk and Harvin are still going anywhere near ADPs of 34 and 53 in two weeks' time, they're going to be my 3rd- and 4th-round picks in literally every single snake draft I'm in.
Most of my redraft leagues use ESPN, and I almost couldn't believe my eyes when I pulled up their ADP listings yesterday. I've got my fingers crossed that my fellow owners are relying on them as their frame of reference ... because if Gronk and Harvin are still going anywhere near ADPs of 34 and 53 in two weeks' time, they're going to be my 3rd- and 4th-round picks in literally every single snake draft I'm in.
Largent
Footballguy
small sample last night of what they plan on doing with him. Bottom line - I'm expecting 85+ catches….perhaps lower yardage due to the bubble screens etc - 900 Yrds floor….how many carries? probably won't see any in preseason, but likely 2-5 per game. Looked sharp out there and he confirmed on the sidelines after that his hip motion range is 100% and is in fact making him faster than ever.
Fever in the Funkhouse
Footballguy
I'm feeling great about harvin. I decided on him as my fifth and final keeper over Floyd (trading floyd away). I know I value harvin a lot more than the other 11 owners in my league...people are convinced he's going to break down. All in on Harvin!
