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I thought he was a possible WR1 in Seattle if he could stay healthy. They didn't use him like we were all hoping, and now he's headed to the Jets dumpster fire. Might be a solid WR3 with random WR2 upside in random weeks IMO. I'd rather have guys like Andre Holmes, Cooks, Beckham, etc.
Very wise, exactly my thinking. If they feed him his ego will stay in check and could be a 2nd half superstar!
I don't know about superstar but it's a lateral move at worst as far as his value is concerned. I also doubt Rex is going to keep him on any type of snap count like SEA seeing as how talent deficient their receiving corps are and the fact that Rex is in full blown "save my ###" mode. I like this move by NYJ. If Geno can manage to not turn the ball over they have some pretty legitimate threats between Ivory, Decker and Percy. Instead of kicking infinite FGs like they did vs. NE, Percy gives them some real firepower in the RZ.
WR40 in my PPR league, which is still well below expectations, but how is he WR60 in your league?
Is AP as good at evaluating football talent as Jordan is at evaluating basketball talent?rockaction said:
Hold if you can.
Arent the rumors that Darren Bevell didnt know how to use him? Wonder if a team traded for him to not use him? I guess its possible since the Seahawks traded for him to not use him.
Why is he droppable?Banger said:
Harvin was being used in Sea. How people continue to believe he was not is a total mystery. He was getting 5.4 targets per game and 2 rushes per game. He led the team in targets and receptions.
Not for this week! (Jets already played, and some of us were hoping to use Percy this week)
So he was on pace for 86 TARGETS for the ENTIRE YEAR? Yeah, how people could believe he wasn't getting used is indeed a complete mystery.
Yet again you forgot to mention the 32 rushes. He was on pace for over 100 touches. That's a number very few WRs can claim.Correction, pace was to reach 35 rushes in Sea. So, 106 touches.
Rushes for WRs are flukey, while he can pop one at anytime as someone said it is a low quality type touch. I dont consider the quality as much as he does because he can pop it off, but 100 touches at low quality is not a hot endorsement for being a great number.
If you have to start Harvin, your roster must not be that good. IMO, Harvin has always been way overvalued.
Always? I think in his Minnesota days he was more than serviceable. Yes he got injured/ill shot but when he played he was great.
That's fine. Liking the opportunity he's been given and lack of opportunity are not the same thing. He's had opportunity. If you want to argue it wasn't the right opportunity then fine. Entering the year however I think most Harvin owners would have been ecstatic if you would have told them ahead of time Harvin would catch 70 balls and rush 35 times.
I think your last paragraph hits the nail on the head. I'm curious what % of his catches began behind the LOS. Has to be near 60-70%. You have to use him on screens and swing passes, but not to the degree and predictability which Seattle was.
I was starting him. Also have DT ,aj ,Josh gordon and patterson... seems to be a pretty good roster to me
Yep. Fragile, and a doosh. Not a great combo IMO.
My issue begins with the % of targets/touches in relation to his snap count in Sea. Essentially when Harvin is in the game you can expect a greater than 20% probability the ball is going to him. Often times at or near the LOS, to boot. For a WR that is significant and something that I think all DCs will key on. Hell, if armchair QBs like myself can figure it out what do you think real NFL coaches will do with the information? On top of it his usage isn't varied enough for my taste. I've never been a proponent that Harvin is a good downfield WR but you have to change things up in the NFL and simply not show your hand as much as Sea was with Harvin. I think teams were able to key heavily on Harvin based on his snap count, formation and overall usage. It thus effected the efficiency of the plays and opps he was getting.
I'm not sure what you think you've figured out. #1 WR's get more than 20% of a team's targets typically, so you could say that when Dez Bryant's on the field, there's a greater than 20% probability that the ball is going to him too. When Harvin is on the field, there's an 80% chance he's not getting the ball. What is there to key on?
I'm not a huge Harvin fan, but this is the dumbest thing people say about him.dschuler said:
Its the NFL, everyone comes with baggage.
Year - G/YRec/YScrmdschuler said:
How so? 18 minutes after the trade every human being holding a media badge is Tweeting anonymous sources saying what a POS Harvin was.
Harvin not a WR1. Start there...
True, I won't get into all that, but it's there, plus magnified by the NYC/NJ press, but there's also the injury history.
Well he lead the Seahawks in targets. I certainly don't see anyone else on that team who you could call their #1 receiver.
Do me a favor, before he got to a team that totally mismanaged his talent, tell me what his PPG were before he became a Seahawk? Now when you do this, remember he had some bad QBs.
