Has Calvin Johnson has finally been Lionized? (1 Viewer)

[Da Guru]

It took some time but if you watched yesterdays game you will have noticed that CJ has been Lionized. CJ was slow getting in and out of the huddle, dropped passes, did not finish routes, flailed his arms in frustration, his body language showed his disust.

I don`t blame him, CJ is a top 5 WR talent that is being totally wasted. Matt Stafford has been tough and game, but he is playing horrible!! It is going to take Stafford some time to be a solid NFL QB.

Basically CJ checked out of the Minny game.

 

[harryhood]

It took some time but if you watched yesterdays game you will have noticed that CJ has been Lionized. CJ was slow getting in and out of the huddle, dropped passes, did not finish routes, flailed his arms in frustration, his body language showed his disust. I don`t blame him, CJ is a top 5 WR talent that is being totally wasted. Matt Stafford has been tough and game, but he is playing horrible!! It is going to take Stafford a long time to be a solid NFL QB..if ever. Basically CJ has checked out.

I love me some Calvin but he looks dejected - definitely something I noticed too.Also another zero pass to him yesterday where he had a DB diving right for his knees as soon as he caught the ball. Between that play call and Stafford hanging him out to dry on every pass play, how could he not be fed up?

 

[Two Deep]

So he has no heart.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

didnt take long, he also seems to not play even with the slightest injury.

Trade him

 

[Da Guru]

didnt take long, he also seems to not play even with the slightest injury. Trade him

Mayhew would screw up that as well. The only reason we got a good deal for Roy Williams was because Jerry Jones has been in love with Roy since his Texas days..so we get a good deal and Mayhew drafts a TE in the first rd with the pick. Pettigrew can`t beat out undrafted Will Heller. First RD TEs are a luxury pick for good teams filling their needs. I understand CJs frustrations.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I noticed that from the Lions as a whole yesterday.

The whole team played with ZERO expectation that they could win that game. None. I don't know that I've ever seen a team go through the motions like that one did yesterday.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

didnt take long, he also seems to not play even with the slightest injury. Trade him

CJ appears to follow the time-honored Larry Johnson exit strategy. If he executes this strategy well, he'll end up on a new team sooner than he'd expect.

 

[Faust]

I noticed that from the Lions as a whole yesterday.The whole team played with ZERO expectation that they could win that game. None. I don't know that I've ever seen a team go through the motions like that one did yesterday.

Browns, Raiders, and Rams down?

 

[packersfan]

I'll take 8-84 from a guy with no heart.

 

[jurb26]

I understand CJs frustrations.

What about Stafford's frustration? The guy is getting killed back there. The Lions Oline is the real problem. It doesn't help that they have suffered some injuries to an already poor unit too. When Stafford get's time to set up (rare I know) he is accurate. Watching that game yesterday I couldn't help but feel sorry for the guy. He was getting knocked on is rear after almost every throw. Not just getting hit either, getting clobbered! Even still he made several great throws IMO. The throw to CJ across the middle that was dropped. The throw across the hash to the sideline in the endzone that was dropped.This offense will suck until that Oline is addressed.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I noticed that from the Lions as a whole yesterday.The whole team played with ZERO expectation that they could win that game. None. I don't know that I've ever seen a team go through the motions like that one did yesterday.

Browns, Raiders, and Rams down?

I said "I've ever seen". The Browns played the Vikings with some fire because it was the 1st game of the season. I skipped the Rams game. I would never watch a Raiders game.

 

[joffer]

This offense will suck until that Oline is addressed.

 

[FavreCo]

It took some time but if you watched yesterdays game you will have noticed that CJ has been Lionized. CJ was slow getting in and out of the huddle, dropped passes, did not finish routes, flailed his arms in frustration, his body language showed his disust. I don`t blame him, CJ is a top 5 WR talent that is being totally wasted. Matt Stafford has been tough and game, but he is playing horrible!! It is going to take Stafford a long time to be a solid NFL QB..if ever. Basically CJ has checked out.

Saw it. megasuck.

 

[FavreCo]

I noticed that from the Lions as a whole yesterday.The whole team played with ZERO expectation that they could win that game. None. I don't know that I've ever seen a team go through the motions like that one did yesterday.

Strangely they have played the Vikings tough for 2 straight years. Moronelli cost them wins against the Vikings last year.

 

[GoBirds]

Is there a better cure than playing the Browns?

 

[jurb26]

Is there a better cure than playing the Browns?

Yeah, playing the Lions.... oh wait!

 

[FavreCo]

I understand CJs frustrations.

What about Stafford's frustration? The guy is getting killed back there. The Lions Oline is the real problem. It doesn't help that they have suffered some injuries to an already poor unit too. When Stafford get's time to set up (rare I know) he is accurate. Watching that game yesterday I couldn't help but feel sorry for the guy. He was getting knocked on is rear after almost every throw. Not just getting hit either, getting clobbered! Even still he made several great throws IMO. The throw to CJ across the middle that was dropped. The throw across the hash to the sideline in the endzone that was dropped.This offense will suck until that Oline is addressed.

I'll say this much, Rodgers would be in a full body cast by now behind that O-Line. The Lions have to play a perfect game, no drops, no costly TO's or penalties, to have a chance to win. A chance to win.Parity. Ths #### teams are all evenly ####ty.

 

[skillz]

CJ has been Lionized.

So true. It even caught up to Barry at some point when he retired early. Stafford will be next....even Harrington showed some glimpses his rookie year and we all know how that went.

 

[Da Guru]

CJ has been Lionized.

So true. It even caught up to Barry at some point when he retired early. Stafford will be next....even Harrington showed some glimpses his rookie year and we all know how that went.

It wears down the best of players. Even SuperBowl champs like Larry Foote look exhausted already. It sucks the will to compete out of players.

 

[TheWheel]

This is the first year of reconstruction. He is going nowhere. They really do need an Offensive Line.

 

[skillz]

This is the first year of reconstruction. He is going nowhere. They really do need an Offensive Line.

Which is why I was screaming at my TV when they passed on Michael Oher for Pettigrew. The radio guys were saying two weeks ago that even Schwartz is starting to look worn down after showing so much energy earlier in the season.

 

[acefootball]

I noticed that from the Lions as a whole yesterday.

The whole team played with ZERO expectation that they could win that game. None. I don't know that I've ever seen a team go through the motions like that one did yesterday.

Browns, Raiders, and Rams down?

This year the Rams have played hard and stayed positive. Simply not enough talent to win, but players have not checked out. If you had said the 08 Rams......then I would be in agreement.

 

[Da Guru]

This is the first year of reconstruction. He is going nowhere. They really do need an Offensive Line.

Which is why I was screaming at my TV when they passed on Michael Oher for Pettigrew. The radio guys were saying two weeks ago that even Schwartz is starting to look worn down after showing so much energy earlier in the season.

Martin Mayhew was hired by Matt Millen, and has been part of the last 8 drafts. The guy is a Millen clone. For the Lions to use a #1 pick on a TE is unreal. Again we took two ?? skill players while the infrastructure crumbles.

 

[abishagenaden]

I understand CJs frustrations.

What about Stafford's frustration? The guy is getting killed back there. The Lions Oline is the real problem. It doesn't help that they have suffered some injuries to an already poor unit too. When Stafford get's time to set up (rare I know) he is accurate. Watching that game yesterday I couldn't help but feel sorry for the guy. He was getting knocked on is rear after almost every throw. Not just getting hit either, getting clobbered! Even still he made several great throws IMO. The throw to CJ across the middle that was dropped. The throw across the hash to the sideline in the endzone that was dropped.This offense will suck until that Oline is addressed.

There was that one play on 3rd down near the end of the game where Stafford was sacked/hit, and his left shoulder pad popped out. Not sure if the clock was still running but no one in the huddle even bothered to adjust his uniform for him. Even the announcers made a comment about that. His 4th down throw ended up coming up short like a lame duck, bounced maybe 3 feet before the intended receiver's feet. Stafford looked simply exhausted at that point, so not sure if the out-of-position jersey affected his throw.

 

[RBM]

Which is why I was screaming at my TV when they passed on Michael Oher for Pettigrew.

That was horrible. Id like to say I was shocked when it happened, but it was par for the course for the Lions

 

[Abrantes]

I noticed that from the Lions as a whole yesterday.

The whole team played with ZERO expectation that they could win that game. None. I don't know that I've ever seen a team go through the motions like that one did yesterday.

Browns, Raiders, and Rams down?

This year the Rams have played hard and stayed positive. Simply not enough talent to win, but players have not checked out. If you had said the 08 Rams......then I would be in agreement.

If there's one thing you can say for the Rams, despite their meager accomplishments this year, it's that they've played tough every game.

 

[blend]

they'll be alright. From Mayhew's first draft, I think we have 5 starters and 7 contributors.. That's more than the last 8 years of Millen drafts. In about 2-3 years, with this type of consistency in the drafts, the Lions will be in the playoffs.

Not sure I agree that CJ has been Lionized. I think he's still not at 100% and the things you're seeing are a result of being 80-90% rather than fully healthy.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I noticed that from the Lions as a whole yesterday.

The whole team played with ZERO expectation that they could win that game. None. I don't know that I've ever seen a team go through the motions like that one did yesterday.

Browns, Raiders, and Rams down?

This year the Rams have played hard and stayed positive. Simply not enough talent to win, but players have not checked out. If you had said the 08 Rams......then I would be in agreement.

If there's one thing you can say for the Rams, despite their meager accomplishments this year, it's that they've played tough every game.

They played a good game yesterday. That was probably Bulger's best game of the year. S-Jax has gone up a few notches in everyone's book, if ever a guy deserves a Pro Bowl just for the sheer effort alone its him.Terrible endgame management in the last 66 seconds (after they won the challenge), but despite their record, they are playing hard.

Can't say that about my team right now.

 

[Da Guru]

they'll be alright. From Mayhew's first draft, I think we have 5 starters and 7 contributors.. That's more than the last 8 years of Millen drafts. In about 2-3 years, with this type of consistency in the drafts, the Lions will be in the playoffs.Not sure I agree that CJ has been Lionized. I think he's still not at 100% and the things you're seeing are a result of being 80-90% rather than fully healthy.

Did you watch the game? Did you see CJs body language?

 

[PitbullTD]

watched part of the game and it was extremely apparent that this team needs to draft/sign in FA some O Line. Stafford was running for his life the whole game that I saw. CJ did drop a couple passes he shouldnt have. But yes its got to start getting to him. No one is immortal, they are humans, and a few years of horrible suck would get to anyone.

 

[Da Guru]

watched part of the game and it was extremely apparent that this team needs to draft/sign in FA some O Line. Stafford was running for his life the whole game that I saw. CJ did drop a couple passes he shouldnt have. But yes its got to start getting to him. No one is immortal, they are humans, and a few years of horrible suck would get to anyone.

I agree..CJ is entering the prime of his career with a rookie QB who is struggling, and an o-line that can`t block. It will be at least 2, possibly 3 years before that is fixed.

 

[TheWheel]

As long as Pettigrew can become a good TE, I have no problem with that pick. As long as they can get some lineman in the draft this year and Cherlius does something, they'll be fine. The Lions now have a pretty complete skill player set with the QB, RB, WR, and TE all very young and expected to get better. It can be better to have that and develop an Oline than have the OLine but no players to exploit that strength. I really like their skill players and hope they have a chance to succeed.

Also, Schwartz isss a first time coach and lulls in his intensity are to be expected. He is still learning and having the defense try so hard to overcome skill difference are bound to happen. Better them to work their asses off than to be lazy.

 

[Scooby1974]

So Calvin dropped a couple balls, and looked dejected. He also made some grabs that very few others could have made. With the way Stafford was getting killed on nearly every play it was a Christmas miracle CJ had 8 looks, let alone 8 catches and 84 yards against a top D in Minny.

 

[PhantomJB]

they'll be alright. From Mayhew's first draft, I think we have 5 starters and 7 contributors.. That's more than the last 8 years of Millen drafts. In about 2-3 years, with this type of consistency in the drafts, the Lions will be in the playoffs.Not sure I agree that CJ has been Lionized. I think he's still not at 100% and the things you're seeing are a result of being 80-90% rather than fully healthy.

Agree and agreed.Mayhew has already made some pretty shrewd moves as GM (including the soon-to-be-legendary Roy Williams trade). The thing that was different in last year's draft is that (a) there was a coherent strategy (get the best player at a particular position, at least for the first 3 rounds) and (b) they executed the strategy without getting distracted once the draft began. They had and still have so many moves they needed to start somewhere.Next year, if Mayhew and Lewand continue to execute they will begin to fill other holes. Can't build the Steelers overnight.Megatron, Stafford, Pettigrew, Delmas, Levy. All tough guys with strong character. They won't fold. They may get beat up and tired once in a while. But they won't fold.

 

[Da Guru]

they'll be alright. From Mayhew's first draft, I think we have 5 starters and 7 contributors.. That's more than the last 8 years of Millen drafts. In about 2-3 years, with this type of consistency in the drafts, the Lions will be in the playoffs.

Not sure I agree that CJ has been Lionized. I think he's still not at 100% and the things you're seeing are a result of being 80-90% rather than fully healthy.

Agree and agreed.Mayhew has already made some pretty shrewd moves as GM (including the soon-to-be-legendary Roy Williams trade). The thing that was different in last year's draft is that (a) there was a coherent strategy (get the best player at a particular position, at least for the first 3 rounds) and (b) they executed the strategy without getting distracted once the draft began. They had and still have so many moves they needed to start somewhere.

Next year, if Mayhew and Lewand continue to execute they will begin to fill other holes. Can't build the Steelers overnight.

Megatron, Stafford, Pettigrew, Delmas, Levy. All tough guys with strong character. They won't fold. They may get beat up and tired once in a while. But they won't fold.

That trade was all Jerry Jones wanting Roy.If Pettigrew can`t beat out Will Hellar the trade is a wash. TE is a luxury pick in the first rd. Delmas looks solid, but Stafford is stil at best a 50-50 guy and Pettigrew is struggling as well.

And please..do not even mention Tom Lewand..the Lions have had enough accountants trying to be footballguys.

The Lions have what I feel is a very good coach..but time will tell if he will get the support needed.

 

[D'OHtis]

Detroit should be talking about the economy. Not belittling their best team in the last few years.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I understand CJs frustrations.

What about Stafford's frustration? The guy is getting killed back there. The Lions Oline is the real problem. It doesn't help that they have suffered some injuries to an already poor unit too. When Stafford get's time to set up (rare I know) he is accurate. Watching that game yesterday I couldn't help but feel sorry for the guy. He was getting knocked on is rear after almost every throw. Not just getting hit either, getting clobbered! Even still he made several great throws IMO. The throw to CJ across the middle that was dropped. The throw across the hash to the sideline in the endzone that was dropped.This offense will suck until that Oline is addressed.

That's true. He has no time do anything.Draft Oline and Dline well in the first 2 rounds for 5 years, then report back.

 

[Jack Burton]

Matt Millen lives on.

 

[Deuceman]

they'll be alright. From Mayhew's first draft, I think we have 5 starters and 7 contributors.. That's more than the last 8 years of Millen drafts. In about 2-3 years, with this type of consistency in the drafts, the Lions will be in the playoffs.

Not sure I agree that CJ has been Lionized. I think he's still not at 100% and the things you're seeing are a result of being 80-90% rather than fully healthy.

Agree and agreed.Mayhew has already made some pretty shrewd moves as GM (including the soon-to-be-legendary Roy Williams trade). The thing that was different in last year's draft is that (a) there was a coherent strategy (get the best player at a particular position, at least for the first 3 rounds) and (b) they executed the strategy without getting distracted once the draft began. They had and still have so many moves they needed to start somewhere.

Next year, if Mayhew and Lewand continue to execute they will begin to fill other holes. Can't build the Steelers overnight.

Megatron, Stafford, Pettigrew, Delmas, Levy. All tough guys with strong character. They won't fold. They may get beat up and tired once in a while. But they won't fold.

That trade was all Jerry Jones wanting Roy.If Pettigrew can`t beat out Will Hellar the trade is a wash. TE is a luxury pick in the first rd. Delmas looks solid, but Stafford is stil at best a 50-50 guy and Pettigrew is struggling as well.

And please..do not even mention Tom Lewand..the Lions have had enough accountants trying to be footballguys.

The Lions have what I feel is a very good coach..but time will tell if he will get the support needed.

Taking Pettigrew instead of Michael Oher was a MAJOR mistake.

 

[Mark Wimer]

I understand CJs frustrations.

What about Stafford's frustration? The guy is getting killed back there. The Lions Oline is the real problem. It doesn't help that they have suffered some injuries to an already poor unit too. When Stafford get's time to set up (rare I know) he is accurate. Watching that game yesterday I couldn't help but feel sorry for the guy. He was getting knocked on is rear after almost every throw. Not just getting hit either, getting clobbered! Even still he made several great throws IMO. The throw to CJ across the middle that was dropped. The throw across the hash to the sideline in the endzone that was dropped.This offense will suck until that Oline is addressed.

just think if they'd used all the first-round-bust-WRs picks on legit OT's (or even just mediocre OTs) instead. Matt Millen is an idiot.

 

[Ladsud]

Detroit should be talking about the economy. Not belittling their best team in the last few years.

Huh?Not sure which part of your post is more stupid. Telling us to talk about the economy when thats all we have heard for the last year, or thinking the Lions are Detroits best team.Idiot.

 

[red stripe]

I don't think one game in Minnesota or half a season is enough to judge. Lions are a multi year fix obv and it's a little premature to say Oher is gonna be THAT much better than Pettigrew. I really think Oline is better this year just Minnesota at home is the worst team to face. They are not young but really one guard away from being decent (though not long term). And I am sure Calvin is frustrated this year, just like S.Smith / Boldin to name a couple guys that are still going to go out and torch up a couple games this year.

Bottom line let's see how they respond over the next two weeks before we start this vicious cycle again.

 

[Da Guru]

they'll be alright. From Mayhew's first draft, I think we have 5 starters and 7 contributors.. That's more than the last 8 years of Millen drafts. In about 2-3 years, with this type of consistency in the drafts, the Lions will be in the playoffs.

Not sure I agree that CJ has been Lionized. I think he's still not at 100% and the things you're seeing are a result of being 80-90% rather than fully healthy.

Agree and agreed.Mayhew has already made some pretty shrewd moves as GM (including the soon-to-be-legendary Roy Williams trade). The thing that was different in last year's draft is that (a) there was a coherent strategy (get the best player at a particular position, at least for the first 3 rounds) and (b) they executed the strategy without getting distracted once the draft began. They had and still have so many moves they needed to start somewhere.

Next year, if Mayhew and Lewand continue to execute they will begin to fill other holes. Can't build the Steelers overnight.

Megatron, Stafford, Pettigrew, Delmas, Levy. All tough guys with strong character. They won't fold. They may get beat up and tired once in a while. But they won't fold.

That trade was all Jerry Jones wanting Roy.If Pettigrew can`t beat out Will Hellar the trade is a wash. TE is a luxury pick in the first rd. Delmas looks solid, but Stafford is stil at best a 50-50 guy and Pettigrew is struggling as well.

And please..do not even mention Tom Lewand..the Lions have had enough accountants trying to be footballguys.

The Lions have what I feel is a very good coach..but time will tell if he will get the support needed.

Taking Pettigrew instead of Michael Oher was a MAJOR mistake.

The Lions are in desperate of need OL, DL, and LBs, DBs and they take a TE in the first rd. That was the ghost of Matt Millen guiding Mayhew.

 

[Sinrman]

I understand CJs frustrations.

What about Stafford's frustration? The guy is getting killed back there. The Lions Oline is the real problem. It doesn't help that they have suffered some injuries to an already poor unit too. When Stafford get's time to set up (rare I know) he is accurate. Watching that game yesterday I couldn't help but feel sorry for the guy. He was getting knocked on is rear after almost every throw. Not just getting hit either, getting clobbered! Even still he made several great throws IMO. The throw to CJ across the middle that was dropped. The throw across the hash to the sideline in the endzone that was dropped.This offense will suck until that Oline is addressed.

I've been saying that for years. I like Pettigrew, but I still stand by that we should have taken Oher at 1.20 this year instead of Pettigrew. Especially after taking Stafford at 1.01 instead of an O-line. It's the same crappy mentality that we'll get some great talent at the skill positions, but ignore what really determines how good/bad an offense will run -- the line. And after a few years, that great talent will either have never matured (a la Harrington, Rogers, etc.) or wish they were out of Detroit quickly (a la Williams, and it looks like CJ now).

 

[jurb26]

I understand CJs frustrations.

What about Stafford's frustration? The guy is getting killed back there. The Lions Oline is the real problem. It doesn't help that they have suffered some injuries to an already poor unit too. When Stafford get's time to set up (rare I know) he is accurate. Watching that game yesterday I couldn't help but feel sorry for the guy. He was getting knocked on is rear after almost every throw. Not just getting hit either, getting clobbered! Even still he made several great throws IMO. The throw to CJ across the middle that was dropped. The throw across the hash to the sideline in the endzone that was dropped.This offense will suck until that Oline is addressed.

I've been saying that for years. I like Pettigrew, but I still stand by that we should have taken Oher at 1.20 this year instead of Pettigrew. Especially after taking Stafford at 1.01 instead of an O-line. It's the same crappy mentality that we'll get some great talent at the skill positions, but ignore what really determines how good/bad an offense will run -- the line. And after a few years, that great talent will either have never matured (a la Harrington, Rogers, etc.) or wish they were out of Detroit quickly (a la Williams, and it looks like CJ now).

I agree the Lions should have taken Oher at 1.20. I believe they where drafting BPA and Petiigrew was simply higher on their board. Stafford was the right choice to me at 1.01 though. He is a better prospect than any QB in his class and this one coming up.

 

[harryhood]

I understand CJs frustrations.

What about Stafford's frustration? The guy is getting killed back there. The Lions Oline is the real problem. It doesn't help that they have suffered some injuries to an already poor unit too. When Stafford get's time to set up (rare I know) he is accurate. Watching that game yesterday I couldn't help but feel sorry for the guy. He was getting knocked on is rear after almost every throw. Not just getting hit either, getting clobbered! Even still he made several great throws IMO. The throw to CJ across the middle that was dropped. The throw across the hash to the sideline in the endzone that was dropped.This offense will suck until that Oline is addressed.

I've been saying that for years. I like Pettigrew, but I still stand by that we should have taken Oher at 1.20 this year instead of Pettigrew. Especially after taking Stafford at 1.01 instead of an O-line. It's the same crappy mentality that we'll get some great talent at the skill positions, but ignore what really determines how good/bad an offense will run -- the line. And after a few years, that great talent will either have never matured (a la Harrington, Rogers, etc.) or wish they were out of Detroit quickly (a la Williams, and it looks like CJ now).

I agree the Lions should have taken Oher at 1.20. I believe they where drafting BPA and Petiigrew was simply higher on their board. Stafford was the right choice to me at 1.01 though. He is a better prospect than any QB in his class and this one coming up.

I was in the OL before Stafford camp but I can understand this franchise wanting a franchise QB. Not taking a top OL with your 2nd first rounder is just baffling. Ask any Lions fan what they would have thought about an Oher/Stafford combo right around Bowl Season and there would have been a parade in downtown Detroit.

 

[packersfan]

 

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[Lucky Lefty]

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[p00h]

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