Has Cassel actually signed a new deal in KC yet? (1 Viewer)

[Carver]

Obviously this is all just on my part... BUT K.C has a ton of leverage right now IMO.

Let's assume for a minute that the Cassel trade timeline unfolded the way many believe it did.

-NE offers Cassel to several teams who they feel may have interest (including Denver).

-Denver rejects the offer initially, but then slowly starts to warm to the idea.

-TB catches wind of the fact that Denver is actually considering it, and immediately calls to offer up low picks in exchange for Cutler (including a first which would be sent to NE for Cassel).

-Belichick and Pioli finalize a deal before NE is aware of the conversation that took place between Denver and TB.

-NE finds out and Belichick kicks himself in the arss for not waiting a little longer.

-KC finds out and Pioli now realizes he is in position to REALLY cash out big.

-Cutler finds out... ...demands a trade.

Now... the more Cutler continues shoot his way out of town, the more incentive KC has to wait on inking Cassel to a long term deal.

They have a back-up QB on the roster for (extremely) cheap dollars that played pretty well for them last season. And they still have the #3, which would allow them (if they so chose) to take Matt Stafford IF Detroit leaves him on the board. In that senario, they may even be able to trade back a few spots, collect some future picks, and still get him.

So let's say the Cutler situation continues to deteriorate. Would it not be in KC's best interest to give Denver a ring and re-open the possibility of sending Cassel there after all?

TB puts the high picks back on the table which would now go to KC instead of NE, Cutler gets shipped south to the Bucs, and Denver gets the QB they really want in Cassel PLUS a day one pick and maybe another in '010.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

I love conspiracy theories...this one included.

How great would it be for Pioli to turn around and get a better deal for Cassel than the great Bill Belicheck got for him without a down of football having been played?

Yes, I am a hater.

 

[Carver]

Essentially, KC will have successfully traded the #34 overall for Mike Vrabel and a boatload of draft picks, including a first rounder this year (#19 overall). Not too shabby.

As a Pats fan, it would suck for me to watch it happen... but from a football fan perspective, it would be hard not to appreciate a rake like that on Pioli's part.

 

[cdwood]

The problem I have with all of that, and why I was surprised that Cassel got traded with no long term contract negotiated, is that he's still signed for 1 year at the franchise tag of $14 million. At some point, whatever team he's on has to sign him to a longer term deal to help out their salary cap situation so they can spend money on draft picks. I don't know KC's salaray cap situation offhand, but I can't see any team not having Cassel's contract renegotiated before they start signing their 2009 draft picks.

Christopher

 

[Carver]

The problem I have with all of that, and why I was surprised that Cassel got traded with no long term contract negotiated, is that he's still signed for 1 year at the franchise tag of $14 million. At some point, whatever team he's on has to sign him to a longer term deal to help out their salary cap situation so they can spend money on draft picks. I don't know KC's salaray cap situation offhand, but I can't see any team not having Cassel's contract renegotiated before they start signing their 2009 draft picks.Christopher

Right... this is part of what got me thinking about it in the first place. It just seems strange that KC hasn't worked out a long term contract with him yet, to alleviate some cap pressure. Kind of makes me wonder if maybe they aren’t in a rush to work a deal out, because it will be left for Denver to do.

 

[Donnybrook]

They have a back-up QB on the roster for (extremely) cheap dollars that played pretty well for them last season. And they still have the #3, which would allow them (if they so chose) to take Matt Stafford IF Detroit leaves him on the board. In that senario, they may even be able to trade back a few spots, collect some future picks, and still get him.

So if I am reading this right, the trade hasn't gone through because KC is waiting to see if they can Stafford at 3. And all the teams involved are going to keep the whole trade a secret for another 41 days.

 

[Workhorse]

I think that KC is waiting to see if Cassel is more than a "one hit wonder" before committing to him in a long-term deal. And next year's possible uncapped season might play a part in that as well.

 

[Carver]

They have a back-up QB on the roster for (extremely) cheap dollars that played pretty well for them last season. And they still have the #3, which would allow them (if they so chose) to take Matt Stafford IF Detroit leaves him on the board. In that senario, they may even be able to trade back a few spots, collect some future picks, and still get him.

So if I am reading this right, the trade hasn't gone through because KC is waiting to see if they can Stafford at 3. And all the teams involved are going to keep the whole trade a secret for another 41 days.

No. I was just listing Stafford as another (bonus) option for KC if he is there @ #3.

 

[cstu]

Essentially, KC will have successfully traded the #34 overall for Mike Vrabel and a boatload of draft picks, including a first rounder this year (#19 overall). Not too shabby. As a Pats fan, it would suck for me to watch it happen... but from a football fan perspective, it would be hard not to appreciate a rake like that on Pioli's part.

If this were to go down, I think the whole thing was orchestrated from the beginning to allow the Pats to trade Cassel quickly so they could sign some FA's and for Pioli to get some extra picks for the Chiefs out of Cassel.

 

[ebcpastor2004]

I just can't see this kind of "in-division" trade happening. But who knows?

It doesn't look like Cutler & McDaniels will be able to work this out, but why would the GM & owner allow that move to KC?

ETA: My reading comprehension must be down. Now I realize the OP was talking Cutler to TBB. :woosh:

 

[Liquid Tension]

Obviously this is all just on my part... BUT K.C has a ton of leverage right now IMO.

Let's assume for a minute that the Cassel trade timeline unfolded the way many believe it did.

-NE offers Cassel to several teams who they feel may have interest (including Denver).

-Denver rejects the offer initially, but then slowly starts to warm to the idea.

-TB catches wind of the fact that Denver is actually considering it, and immediately calls to offer up low picks in exchange for Cutler (including a first which would be sent to NE for Cassel).

-Belichick and Pioli finalize a deal before NE is aware of the conversation that took place between Denver and TB.

-NE finds out and Belichick kicks himself in the arss for not waiting a little longer.

-KC finds out and Pioli now realizes he is in position to REALLY cash out big.

-Cutler finds out... ...demands a trade.

Now... the more Cutler continues shoot his way out of town, the more incentive KC has to wait on inking Cassel to a long term deal.

They have a back-up QB on the roster for (extremely) cheap dollars that played pretty well for them last season. And they still have the #3, which would allow them (if they so chose) to take Matt Stafford IF Detroit leaves him on the board. In that senario, they may even be able to trade back a few spots, collect some future picks, and still get him.

So let's say the Cutler situation continues to deteriorate. Would it not be in KC's best interest to give Denver a ring and re-open the possibility of sending Cassel there after all?

TB puts the high picks back on the table which would now go to KC instead of NE, Cutler gets shipped south to the Bucs, and Denver gets the QB they really want in Cassel PLUS a day one pick and maybe another in '010.

If I am KC I would make a move and the entire situation just gained them picks. I think it would be smart. Maybe even trade him for Cutler

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Obviously this is all just on my part... BUT K.C has a ton of leverage right now IMO.

Let's assume for a minute that the Cassel trade timeline unfolded the way many believe it did.

-NE offers Cassel to several teams who they feel may have interest (including Denver).

-Denver rejects the offer initially, but then slowly starts to warm to the idea.

-TB catches wind of the fact that Denver is actually considering it, and immediately calls to offer up low picks in exchange for Cutler (including a first which would be sent to NE for Cassel).

-Belichick and Pioli finalize a deal before NE is aware of the conversation that took place between Denver and TB.

-NE finds out and Belichick kicks himself in the arss for not waiting a little longer.

-KC finds out and Pioli now realizes he is in position to REALLY cash out big.

-Cutler finds out... ...demands a trade.

Now... the more Cutler continues shoot his way out of town, the more incentive KC has to wait on inking Cassel to a long term deal.

They have a back-up QB on the roster for (extremely) cheap dollars that played pretty well for them last season. And they still have the #3, which would allow them (if they so chose) to take Matt Stafford IF Detroit leaves him on the board. In that senario, they may even be able to trade back a few spots, collect some future picks, and still get him.

So let's say the Cutler situation continues to deteriorate. Would it not be in KC's best interest to give Denver a ring and re-open the possibility of sending Cassel there after all?

TB puts the high picks back on the table which would now go to KC instead of NE, Cutler gets shipped south to the Bucs, and Denver gets the QB they really want in Cassel PLUS a day one pick and maybe another in '010.

If I am KC I would make a move and the entire situation just gained them picks. I think it would be smart. Maybe even trade him for Cutler

I bet Cutler would welcome a trade to a division rival.

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

I just can't see this kind of "in-division" trade happening. But who knows? It doesn't look like Cutler & McDaniels will be able to work this out, but why would the GM & owner allow that move to KC?ETA: My reading comprehension must be down. Now I realize the OP was talking Cutler to TBB. :woosh:

If I'm the Broncos owner I get rid of McDaniels and keep Cutler. After all, what has McDaniels done?

 

[H8fulHuck]

Absolutely love this conspiracy theory. Wish I had thought of it. KC not inking a long term deal actually lends more creedence to it.

If it goes down, I could see KC having things line up and wait to pull the trigger until their pick comes up in case a snowball lands in hell with Stafford going #1 and Sanchez #2.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

This is not a 2 star thread, love the line of thinking here.

 

[H8fulHuck]

This is not a 2 star thread, love the line of thinking here.

:5star: Clicked on 5 myself. Would love to see this happen.

 

[massraider]

A trade of QBs between these two would be unprecedented.

I don't see it, because I think no way does a team trade for a QB it doesn't want. I think KC traded for Cassell because they wanted him.

 

[AnonymousBob]

This is not a 2 star thread, love the line of thinking here.

:5star: Clicked on 5 myself. Would love to see this happen.

I think this is why the star system won't work. Why is this thread worthy of stars? It's fun to speculate but there is no statistic, real information, or even semi-credible rumor here...just a poster playing a game of what if.If this thread is truly worth some stars we can just scrap the whole idea right now.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

This is not a 2 star thread, love the line of thinking here.

:5star: Clicked on 5 myself. Would love to see this happen.

I think this is why the star system won't work. Why is this thread worthy of stars? It's fun to speculate but there is no statistic, real information, or even semi-credible rumor here...just a poster playing a game of what if.If this thread is truly worth some stars we can just scrap the whole idea right now.

If we are only going to award those with a lot of stats and news links which are basically news that is already reported...kinda boring after awhile. Every thread is different, and I thought this was a 3-4 star thread because of the thought process behind it. Cutler is not going to play in Denver, that looks very clear, however I am a big fan of Cassell in KC right now. I hope MC stays in KC but the way the NFL is morphing these days nothing surprises me anymore.

 

[loose circuits]

The problem I have with all of that, and why I was surprised that Cassel got traded with no long term contract negotiated, is that he's still signed for 1 year at the franchise tag of $14 million. At some point, whatever team he's on has to sign him to a longer term deal to help out their salary cap situation so they can spend money on draft picks. I don't know KC's salaray cap situation offhand, but I can't see any team not having Cassel's contract renegotiated before they start signing their 2009 draft picks.Christopher

you should get the cap situation before posting such threads. Think about it at least. Who is KC paying that would create cap hell? LJ, Waters, and Gonzo (who isn't that bad). The rest are rookies and young guys. They have the 4th most cap room in the league. Plenty of flexibility to give Matty a year long rehearsal or at least use it as leverage in contract talks. Sometimes better things come to the patient

 

[craxie]

I think no way does a team trade for a QB it doesn't want.

why do you think KC doesn't want Cutler?KC would LOVE to get Cutlerthis is actually the move that makes the most senseKC gets CutlerDenver gets rid of their problem and gets the QB they really wanted (Cassel)KC probably gets something a little extra for helping Denver out of a jam (they have the leverage and Denver doesn't)Denver won't get rid of Cutler unless they have a quality QB optionthe only readily-available quality QB appears to be . . . Cassel

 

[massraider]

I think no way does a team trade for a QB it doesn't want.

why do you think KC doesn't want Cutler?

No, I mean Cassell. i don't think KC trades for Cassell if they don't want him.

 

[craxie]

I think no way does a team trade for a QB it doesn't want.

why do you think KC doesn't want Cutler?

No, I mean Cassell. i don't think KC trades for Cassell if they don't want him.

of course they want Cassell, but they want Cutler moreof course Cutler wasn't available when they traded for Cassell, now he isplus the little bonus Denver will have to kick in makes it all the sweeter

 

[loose circuits]

anybody think Mangini would get involved, he could send DA or Quinn packing...could/would Denver settle for Quinn?

 

[cstu]

I think no way does a team trade for a QB it doesn't want.

why do you think KC doesn't want Cutler?KC would LOVE to get Cutlerthis is actually the move that makes the most senseKC gets CutlerDenver gets rid of their problem and gets the QB they really wanted (Cassel)KC probably gets something a little extra for helping Denver out of a jam (they have the leverage and Denver doesn't)Denver won't get rid of Cutler unless they have a quality QB optionthe only readily-available quality QB appears to be . . . Cassel

Rivers still gets to talk smack with him twice a year.

 

[Carver]

I think no way does a team trade for a QB it doesn't want.

why do you think KC doesn't want Cutler?

No, I mean Cassell. i don't think KC trades for Cassell if they don't want him.

I think you all may have misread my post. The theory involves Cutler going to TB, not KC. As for KC wanting Cassel, I have no doubt they would love to have him, and traded for him in good faith. However, if a deal presents itself that is too good to pass up... Pioli would be doing KC a disservice if he didn’t at least explore the possibilities (especially the lucrative ones that were not there prior to acquiring Cassel).

 

[-baller]

maybe people aren't aware of this, but pioli (kc) actually worked for the pats last year, and cassel is his boy.

people seem to think this whole deal got concocted 5 min before they heard news of it, when pioli actually probably started cookin' it up 5 min after he took the kc job.

the deal was done ---- and the pats needed it to be done when fa opened, as they were at the cap, and all that den/tb stuff is a crock of #####.

as it stands, the pats were able to sign or re-sign more than a half dozen guys because of cap space from that cassel deal, AND they nabbed one of the first couple picks of the second round for a guy who might just not look so great in kc as he did on the pats.

it was a good deal for the pats, and the timing was perfect.

as has already been mentioned, kc has no cap pressure, as they're well under the cap, and have no particular reason to lock him up long term by buying high on him right this very minute, especially w/an uncapped year looming, and great uncertainty as to future cap situations or possible lockouts.

it's certainly possible a further cassel trade will come about, but what that has to do w/his not signing long term, I have no idea.

apparently, the premise of this thread is that it's extremely odd for him to be traded w/o a long term contract signed, and so it follows that SINCE he has no long term deal signed he'll be traded again.

I think you lost me on that one.

they have all season to cut a deal w/him, and for what it's worth, I believe he's an rfa if they just let his one year deal expire, and that's before we even bring up the franchise tag, or the possible accounting advantages to signing a guy in an uncapped year.

 

[craxie]

I think you all may have misread my post. The theory involves Cutler going to TB, not KC.

the problem is that TB doesn't have a franchise QB to offerKC will not give up Cassell w/o receiving one in return (ie Cutler)Denver will not give up Cutler w/o receiving one in return (ie Cassell)it doesn't matter how many draft picks they offer, teams will not give up a franchise QB unless they have two (ie Brees and Rivers, Cassell and Brady)

 

[Tackling Dummies]

maybe people aren't aware of this, but pioli (kc) actually worked for the pats last year, and cassel is his boy.

people seem to think this whole deal got concocted 5 min before they heard news of it, when pioli actually probably started cookin' it up 5 min after he took the kc job.

the deal was done ---- and the pats needed it to be done when fa opened, as they were at the cap, and all that den/tb stuff is a crock of #####.

as it stands, the pats were able to sign or re-sign more than a half dozen guys because of cap space from that cassel deal, AND they nabbed one of the first couple picks of the second round for a guy who might just not look so great in kc as he did on the pats.

it was a good deal for the pats, and the timing was perfect.

as has already been mentioned, kc has no cap pressure, as they're well under the cap, and have no particular reason to lock him up long term by buying high on him right this very minute, especially w/an uncapped year looming, and great uncertainty as to future cap situations or possible lockouts.

it's certainly possible a further cassel trade will come about, but what that has to do w/his not signing long term, I have no idea.

apparently, the premise of this thread is that it's extremely odd for him to be traded w/o a long term contract signed, and so it follows that SINCE he has no long term deal signed he'll be traded again.

I think you lost me on that one.

they have all season to cut a deal w/him, and for what it's worth, I believe he's an rfa if they just let his one year deal expire, and that's before we even bring up the franchise tag, or the possible accounting advantages to signing a guy in an uncapped year.

The inter-division trade is a long shot and there are too may loose ends to make this work.

 

[sparkky]

there are many intriguing angles and twists to this plot.

KC is a brand new regime now from the owner down to the coaches nullifying any old "hard feelings" between Denver and KC.

As I understand it, Cassel is under the franchise tag this year and is a RFA next year and can be retained for a increase in pay.

KC has cap room to burn for the foreseeable future as of today.

KC has the qb that Denver covets.

Denver has a young, probowl qb that is disgruntled and appears to be trade bait.

The big question is could Denver fit Cassel's price under the cap? I don't know if they have the room without re-doing the deal.

As a KC homer, offer me Cutler and picks/players for Cassel and I'll gladly take that call on line 1.

 

[Skipdog77]

The inter-division trade is a long shot and there are too may loose ends to make this work.

I agree...with as ugly as this seems to be getting, I don't think there is any way Denver trades Cutler to a division rival. And if KC is happy with Cassel, why wouldn't they be content to watch Denver blow themseleves up if they can't swing a deal for Cutler before the season starts ? Besides, Cutler is already proving he can't take any criticism like a man, so why would you want to bring that into your dressing room ?

 

[trader jake]

anybody think Mangini would get involved, he could send DA or Quinn packing...could/would Denver settle for Quinn?

With McDaniels Patriots ties I'm sure he has heard some great things about Quinn from former Patriot coach and Quinn mentor Charlie Wies. Not saying that makes this deal any more likely to occur...just that I believe the Broncos would find Quinn a suitable replacement and the type of starting QB that they could win with in Denver. That leads me to believe the Browns could be the location where Cutler ultimately ends up in some type of swap involving Quinn.

 

[-baller]

there are many intriguing angles and twists to this plot. KC is a brand new regime now from the owner down to the coaches nullifying any old "hard feelings" between Denver and KC. As I understand it, Cassel is under the franchise tag this year and is a RFA next year and can be retained for a increase in pay. KC has cap room to burn for the foreseeable future as of today. KC has the qb that Denver covets.Denver has a young, probowl qb that is disgruntled and appears to be trade bait. The big question is could Denver fit Cassel's price under the cap? I don't know if they have the room without re-doing the deal. As a KC homer, offer me Cutler and picks/players for Cassel and I'll gladly take that call on line 1.

if I give you cutler plus denver's first and second, throw in next year's first, and 3 coupons for foot massages that you can call me on anytime ---- how much cash would I have to kick in to get this deal done?

 

[Carver]

Seems like just about everyone missed the part of my proposal that has Cutler going to TB, NOT KC.

Cassel and pick(s) go to Denver

Cutler goes to TB

Multiple day one picks go to KC (including #19 overall)

KC starts the season with Thigpin @ QB.

 

[-baller]

just so I'm clear on this, could you plz specify exactly what picks go to who?

to start you off, kc has traded the second(?) pick in the second round for cassel........now, GO!

 

[Pots]

Does anybody here actually think that Cassel is a better QB than Cutler?

 

[Q-Bert]

Does anybody here actually think that Cassel is a better QB than Cutler?

No

 

[Q-Bert]

just so I'm clear on this, could you plz specify exactly what picks go to who?to start you off, kc has traded the second(?) pick in the second round for cassel........now, GO!

I would think something like the following:Team A (in this scenario TB but I think Detroit makes just as much sense) gives up a mid first rounder and say a third rounder. They get Jay Cutler.Kansas City gives up Matt Cassel and gets Team A's first round pick.Denver gives up Cutler and gets Cassel plus Team A's third round pick.

 

[Carver]

just so I'm clear on this, could you plz specify exactly what picks go to who?to start you off, kc has traded the second(?) pick in the second round for cassel........now, GO!

KC sends Cassel + #98 overall to DenverDenver sends Cutler to TBTB sends #19 overall and their 1st round pick in '010 to KCETA: I agree that Det makes a much better trading partner now that TB sent their 2nd to the Browns for KW3.

 

[-baller]

just so I'm clear on this, could you plz specify exactly what picks go to who?to start you off, kc has traded the second(?) pick in the second round for cassel........now, GO!

KC sends Cassel + #98 overall to DenverDenver sends Cutler to TBTB sends #19 overall and their 1st round pick in '010 to KCETA: I agree that Det makes a much better trading partner now that TB sent their 2nd to the Browns for KW3.

what if tb/det just offers the 2 first rounders for cutler straight up?considering det might have the first pick in the draft next year I think that'd be pretty enticing.

 

[puckalicious]

just so I'm clear on this, could you plz specify exactly what picks go to who?to start you off, kc has traded the second(?) pick in the second round for cassel........now, GO!

KC sends Cassel + #98 overall to DenverDenver sends Cutler to TBTB sends #19 overall and their 1st round pick in '010 to KCETA: I agree that Det makes a much better trading partner now that TB sent their 2nd to the Browns for KW3.

what if tb/det just offers the 2 first rounders for cutler straight up?considering det might have the first pick in the draft next year I think that'd be pretty enticing.

Detroit giving #1 AND #20 for Cutler would be the worst fleecing in NFL history. Sure Cutler's good, and a 'franchise' type QB but to me that is vastly overpaying for a young QB that hasn't won jack so far in his career.FYI - 5 star thread merely because there is no personal BS back and forth going on. An actual discussion about something with possible FFL implications. I love it.

 

[Carver]

just so I'm clear on this, could you plz specify exactly what picks go to who?to start you off, kc has traded the second(?) pick in the second round for cassel........now, GO!

KC sends Cassel + #98 overall to DenverDenver sends Cutler to TBTB sends #19 overall and their 1st round pick in '010 to KCETA: I agree that Det makes a much better trading partner now that TB sent their 2nd to the Browns for KW3.

what if tb/det just offers the 2 first rounders for cutler straight up?considering det might have the first pick in the draft next year I think that'd be pretty enticing.

The only reason I think KC has to be involved, is because Denver wouldn't be getting a franchise type QB back in the deal otherwise. With Pioli, it's all about value. im sure he would love to have Cassel starting for the Chiefs in '09... but if they can get ridiculous value back and turn the job over to a kid who did throw/run for 21 TD's himself (Thigpin) last season... it might be hard not to make a move.

 

[-baller]

FYI - 5 star thread merely because there is no personal BS back and forth going on. An actual discussion about something with possible FFL implications. I love it.

haha...I gave it one star for being ridiculous.no offense, carver.dig the av.

 

[Carver]

FYI - 5 star thread merely because there is no personal BS back and forth going on. An actual discussion about something with possible FFL implications. I love it.

haha...I gave it one star for being ridiculous.no offense, carver.dig the av.

None taken.

 

[cstu]

just so I'm clear on this, could you plz specify exactly what picks go to who?

to start you off, kc has traded the second(?) pick in the second round for cassel........now, GO!

KC sends Cassel + #98 overall to DenverDenver sends Cutler to TB

TB sends #19 overall and their 1st round pick in '010 to KC

ETA: I agree that Det makes a much better trading partner now that TB sent their 2nd to the Browns for KW3.

what if tb/det just offers the 2 first rounders for cutler straight up?considering det might have the first pick in the draft next year I think that'd be pretty enticing.

Detroit giving #1 AND #20 for Cutler would be the worst fleecing in NFL history. Sure Cutler's good, and a 'franchise' type QB but to me that is vastly overpaying for a young QB that hasn't won jack so far in his career.FYI - 5 star thread merely because there is no personal BS back and forth going on. An actual discussion about something with possible FFL implications. I love it.

He's won twice as many games as the Detroit Lions.

 

[cstu]

just so I'm clear on this, could you plz specify exactly what picks go to who?to start you off, kc has traded the second(?) pick in the second round for cassel........now, GO!

KC sends Cassel + #98 overall to DenverDenver sends Cutler to TBTB sends #19 overall and their 1st round pick in '010 to KCETA: I agree that Det makes a much better trading partner now that TB sent their 2nd to the Browns for KW3.

I doubt Denver would accept that deal knowing how much KC is getting out of it. Maybe if Denver gets TB's 2010 1st.

 

[Q-Bert]

just so I'm clear on this, could you plz specify exactly what picks go to who?to start you off, kc has traded the second(?) pick in the second round for cassel........now, GO!

KC sends Cassel + #98 overall to DenverDenver sends Cutler to TBTB sends #19 overall and their 1st round pick in '010 to KCETA: I agree that Det makes a much better trading partner now that TB sent their 2nd to the Browns for KW3.

I doubt Denver would accept that deal knowing how much KC is getting out of it. Maybe if Denver gets TB's 2010 1st.

I think if KC were to get even a single first for Cassel they would be ecstatic. Trading #34 overall and getting back #19 and a player is a crazy good deal.

 

[stevegamer]

If I'm KC, I deal Cassell for Cutler + picks in a millisecond.

You get an extra-motivated QB, draft picks, saddle a division rival with a potential bust (although Pioli probably doesn't see him that way) who isn't better than they guy you'd be getting, and possibly contribute to the demise of locker room unity in Denver.

 

[puckalicious]

just so I'm clear on this, could you plz specify exactly what picks go to who?

to start you off, kc has traded the second(?) pick in the second round for cassel........now, GO!

KC sends Cassel + #98 overall to DenverDenver sends Cutler to TB

TB sends #19 overall and their 1st round pick in '010 to KC

ETA: I agree that Det makes a much better trading partner now that TB sent their 2nd to the Browns for KW3.

what if tb/det just offers the 2 first rounders for cutler straight up?considering det might have the first pick in the draft next year I think that'd be pretty enticing.

Detroit giving #1 AND #20 for Cutler would be the worst fleecing in NFL history. Sure Cutler's good, and a 'franchise' type QB but to me that is vastly overpaying for a young QB that hasn't won jack so far in his career.FYI - 5 star thread merely because there is no personal BS back and forth going on. An actual discussion about something with possible FFL implications. I love it.

He's won twice as many games as the Detroit Lions.

That's a pretty low bar to meet. I'm sure many other QB's have done the same or better, very few of which are worth the Lion's first 2 draft picks. I don't consider Cutler one of them.The point I failed to make is that Detroit's #1/#20 is worth ALOT more than TB's #19/2010 #10-20. Probably about twice the value.