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Has Jeremy Shockey peaked? Will we ever see one of the Super Elite (1 Viewer)

Will Shockey be a Super TE or is he stuck as merely a "very, very good option"?

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Englishteacher

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With the influx of great fantasy TE's like Vernon Davis, Heath Miller, the Soldier, Ben Watson, and the presence of veterans Todd Heap, Gonzo, McMichael, Crumpler, Witten, LJ Smith, and Cooley returning the position to the domiance of the era of Sharpe, Gonzo, Coates, Wesley Walls when there was almost a full lineup of TE 1 types for a 12 team league, has Jeremy Shockey's value peaked? About the only way I see him being "special" from here on out is if he increases his numbers to Super Elite TE numbers, having a Gates, Sharpe, or Gonzo type season.

Several things seem to be working against him in achieving this. One, the drops. He has enormous talent but still drops too many balls that he should catch. Can he get open? Yes. Can he stretch the seam and get deep? Yes. Can he do things after the catch? Yes. Would every team in the league love to have him? Yes. But, the simple fact remains that he gets a little too excited and the ball ends up on the ground too often for there to be a better chance at him getting the 10 to 25 percent increase in production to get what we'd be talking about. Second, it might be that if we haven't seen it yet we won't see it. Third, injuries, the super elite guys we were talking about rarely if ever got injured in their super elite seasons. Shockey has either been banged up or missed time in virtually every season. This would work against him obviously and the recklessness and aggression that define his play are not liely to disappear. Last, does he have the type supporting cast and team structure to get there? Well there is a good supporting cast on his team. Eli should turn into an elite QB some time, Burress is a skilled WR, Toomer a great vet, and Barber is a back that keeps the chains moving. However, are there too many mouths to feed in this offense? At least Gates and Gonzo were the number one receiving targets on their teams with only moderately productive veterans garnering much interest from their Quarterbacks, Eddie Kennison and Keenan McCardell. Looking forward to next year though, if Tiki Barber retires will we see more passing in NYG and will the production, yards and red zone opportunities spill over to Shockey? However, NY will still have a prime red zone threat in the behemoth Brandon Jacobs.

Weigh in with support for your vote for yea or nay.

Sorry for the confusion in the poll question, I provided a fair amount of analysis there and haven't had my coffee yet so I worded it very ambiguosly.

The real question, like I said in the thread title: Will Shockey ever have a super elite TE season? Yes or No?

My thoughts were he may he may have peaked as a very good option. Thanks for alerting me to this.

 
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Will Shockey be a Super TE or is he stuck as merely a "very, very good option"?

Seems like this is not a yes or no type of question.

 
If Plaxico were to get injured, Shockey should put up elite stats.

Even if Plax stays healthy, Shockey could, but is less likely to.

 
If Plaxico were to get injured, Shockey should put up elite stats.Even if Plax stays healthy, Shockey could, but is less likely to.
He didn't exactly put up elite stats when the Giants didn't have Plaxico. :devil: 's advocate. He'd still have injuries and dropped passes as deterrents. I've read a scout, whom I have respect for, say that players aren't likely to improve their hands much once they enter the league. This was on an assessemnt of Travis Taylor, a guy with shaky hands coming into the league who's certainly never lived up to his draft billing despite having considerable phsical skills. :devil: Shockey is certainly getting all the love right now as he's a bankable commodity but I'm having a much harder time now seeing him as a guy who will rule the position or as a guy who will be a must get over other guys once their talent and play turns them into "names" as well. Shockey has had a much better career than Taylor but the TE position is getting much stronger and I'm thinking we've seen Shockey's value about as good as it gets. Really, if he doesn't get any better, his value will go down as there are some guys knocking on the door to be 1a TE's and several others emerging lower in the TE 1 category that will bring the baseline up.
 
bump to give this one a little more time, get some more votes, and to hear at least one or two more guys analyze Shockey

that means you! :D

 
I think Shockey's value peaked last year. He is a very solid TE but he runs his moth A LOT and gets dinged up A LOT. I do not see his value getting any higher.

 
I don't believe he has had his career season yet. He just needs to somehow stay healthy which is his biggest hurdle. Eli is a borderline elite QB and will become one. Shockey will be part of that equation.

 
Shockey might be one of the most overated players in SPORTS, of our generation. Guy was supposed to come in, revolutionize the position, put up WR or near WR numbers.

His TD totals have been 2, 2, 6, 7 and he has one this year. His average year is 700 something yards and 4-4.5 TDs. He is also ALWAYS hurt. ALWAYS. I dont remember this guy ever not limping.

Yet, people act like he is one of the top at his position. He is better than average. He is good.

But that is IT. Just because he is an idiot with a big mouth doesnt mean the reality meets the hype.

Because it doesnt. At all.

 
If he was more durable, I'd like to say its possible. But, the guy is almost always nursing something. With the guys listed in the OP, I just don't see him ever finishing above 3-5 range in TE scoring.

He's definately #1 TE when it comes to giving us something to laugh about.

 
If Plaxico were to get injured, Shockey should put up elite stats.

Even if Plax stays healthy, Shockey could, but is less likely to.
Does anyone second Oz's opinion that Shockey would put up elite stats if Burress were to go down? Thanks for responding Oz. :thumbup: Is part of your reasoning in making this assessment that Eli is becoming an elite QB? Burress is having a little injury trouble and was benched this past week for poor play, forget the injury. Those are two things that could potentially contribute to Burress being out. Assuming this were to happen, is 2006 the year we see Shockey ascend to greatness? :eek: :devil: And since you said that, will you make a sig bet on it?!!!! ha ha :P :stirspot: :P :D

 
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I disagree with the Plax thing. You want him on the field and to be productive. Otherwise they can key on Shockey even more.

Shockey is a good TE, not elite, but as I said I don't believe he has had his best year yet. And we are only 3 weeks into this season. So it's too early to tell if he will not beat last years numbers. Way too much football left to play.

 
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I disagree with the Plax thing. You want him on the field and to be productive. Otherise they can ket on Shockey even more. Shockey is a good TE, not elite, but as I said I don't believe he has had his best year yet. And we are only 3 weeks into this season. So it's too early to tell if he will not beat last years numbers. Way too much football left to play.
I agree he can have a better year sometime than what he's had in the past, but what sort of numbers are you predicting as a possibility? If the high water marks are almost 900 yards and 7 TD's, where can you see them going? An would they BOTH necessarily or possibly go up in the same year?EDIT TO ADD: He could see increases in either and not have any better year than what he's had.
 
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I disagree with the Plax thing. You want him on the field and to be productive. Otherise they can ket on Shockey even more. Shockey is a good TE, not elite, but as I said I don't believe he has had his best year yet. And we are only 3 weeks into this season. So it's too early to tell if he will not beat last years numbers. Way too much football left to play.
I agree he can have a better year sometime than what he's had in the past, but what sort of numbers are you predicting as a possibility? If the high water marks are almost 900 yards and 7 TD's, where can you see them going? An would they BOTH necessarily or possibly go up in the same year?EDIT TO ADD: He could see increases in either and not have any better year than what he's had.
I think 75-80 receptions for 1000 yards and 7-8 TDs would be the career year I would look for. He can do it. But man he needs to stay healthy enough to do so.
 
If Plaxico were to get injured, Shockey should put up elite stats.Even if Plax stays healthy, Shockey could, but is less likely to.
agreed..also, if shockey had a competent , TE-friendly OC calling plays and NOT lousy Kevin Gilbride, he'd easily put up Gonzalez-type numbers..Gilbride is /was / will always be , a lousy Offensive coordinator.. it seems he likes to pass when perhaps a run would work better, and vice versa..and with the Giants, he doesn't wake up till the 4th quarter, and only THEN, does he get the offense rolling along..more than any team in the NFL, the Giants would have been a perfect fit for guys like Norv Turner or Al Saunders. It is too bad the Giants missed out on these guys..both are coaches that love to run the ball, use play action, throw the occasional deep pass to the speedy WR, and heavily rely on the TE position, and the Giants have all three positions covered with big time talent - Tiki, Plax, Shockey..with either of these coaches, Shockey would have been an All-World TE!depending on what happens the rest of the season, Coughlin could be driven out of town..Jeff Fisher might be available in 2007...hmm...Tenn used the TE position extensively with Heimerdinger as OC..
 
Will Shockey ever be a Super TE?

Yes [ 11 ] [34.38%]

No [ 21 ] [65.63%]

Total Votes: 32

So far, our board puts it at about 2 to 1 Shockey never puts up Elite TE numbers.

 
I just keep sitting here reading the question, looking at the possible answers, looking back at the question again and wondering what I'm missing that makes it a Y or N question.

SOMEONE HELP!!!

 
I just keep sitting here reading the question, looking at the possible answers, looking back at the question again and wondering what I'm missing that makes it a Y or N question.SOMEONE HELP!!!
Sorry for the confusion in the poll question, I provided a fair amount of analysis there and haven't had my coffee yet so I worded it very ambiguosly.The real question, like I said in the thread title: Will Shockey ever have a super elite TE season? Yes or No?
 
I just keep sitting here reading the question, looking at the possible answers, looking back at the question again and wondering what I'm missing that makes it a Y or N question.SOMEONE HELP!!!
You're just an idiot. Were you slow as a child too? :P ha ha. No, you;re right I screwed it up. It was early AM.
 
How about this question for the next hot girl you meet?

So, you wanna go eat some pizza and have sex?

(If) She says no. (unthinkable!)

What's the matter? You don't like pizza?

or let's go Yoda, "A perimeter around the survivors create."

Yeah, the poll question was a Jedi mind trick.

Seriously, sorry! :kicksrock:

 
agreed..also, if shockey had a competent , TE-friendly OC calling plays and NOT lousy Kevin Gilbride, he'd easily put up Gonzalez-type numbers..Gilbride is /was / will always be , a lousy Offensive coordinator.. it seems he likes to pass when perhaps a run would work better, and vice versa..and with the Giants, he doesn't wake up till the 4th quarter, and only THEN, does he get the offense rolling along..more than any team in the NFL, the Giants would have been a perfect fit for guys like Norv Turner or Al Saunders. It is too bad the Giants missed out on these guys..both are coaches that love to run the ball, use play action, throw the occasional deep pass to the speedy WR, and heavily rely on the TE position, and the Giants have all three positions covered with big time talent - Tiki, Plax, Shockey..with either of these coaches, Shockey would have been an All-World TE!
Interesting post. I'd love to hear more posters chime in on the Giants coaching staff.
 
agreed..also, if shockey had a competent , TE-friendly OC calling plays and NOT lousy Kevin Gilbride, he'd easily put up Gonzalez-type numbers..Gilbride is /was / will always be , a lousy Offensive coordinator.. it seems he likes to pass when perhaps a run would work better, and vice versa..and with the Giants, he doesn't wake up till the 4th quarter, and only THEN, does he get the offense rolling along..more than any team in the NFL, the Giants would have been a perfect fit for guys like Norv Turner or Al Saunders. It is too bad the Giants missed out on these guys..both are coaches that love to run the ball, use play action, throw the occasional deep pass to the speedy WR, and heavily rely on the TE position, and the Giants have all three positions covered with big time talent - Tiki, Plax, Shockey..with either of these coaches, Shockey would have been an All-World TE!
Interesting post. I'd love to hear more posters chime in on the Giants coaching staff.
me too. I'd love to see Jeff Fisher there instead of a stud coach wasting away in a joke franchise like Tennessee.
 
Yes [ 17 ] [42.50%]

No [ 23 ] [57.50%]

Total Votes: 40

Man, shockey is pulling back to about even. Is there analysis in here that is changing people's votes? If you voted yes, did something in here convince you before voting?

 
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Englishteacher said:
Yes [ 17 ] [42.50%]No [ 23 ] [57.50%]Total Votes: 40Man, shockey is pulling back to about even. Is there analysis in here that is changing people's votes? If you voted yes, did something in here convince you?
Are you sure you're not EnglishasasecondlanguageStudent ?I answereed Yes, but I am not sure what I am saying yes to, given the two-sided poll question.
 
agreed..also, if shockey had a competent , TE-friendly OC calling plays and NOT lousy Kevin Gilbride, he'd easily put up Gonzalez-type numbers..Gilbride is /was / will always be , a lousy Offensive coordinator.. it seems he likes to pass when perhaps a run would work better, and vice versa..and with the Giants, he doesn't wake up till the 4th quarter, and only THEN, does he get the offense rolling along..more than any team in the NFL, the Giants would have been a perfect fit for guys like Norv Turner or Al Saunders. It is too bad the Giants missed out on these guys..both are coaches that love to run the ball, use play action, throw the occasional deep pass to the speedy WR, and heavily rely on the TE position, and the Giants have all three positions covered with big time talent - Tiki, Plax, Shockey..with either of these coaches, Shockey would have been an All-World TE!
Interesting post. I'd love to hear more posters chime in on the Giants coaching staff.
Sure. Huge Giants fan here.The Giants know what they have in Shockey. They know that when healthy (which is NEVER, lest ye need reminding) he is a great tool (pun intended). But, he is NEVER healthy. Hence, he is always limited. Shockey = hype without the substance. That is the reality, and that cant and shouldnt be pinned on the coaches.
 
The Giants know what they have in Shockey. They know that when healthy (which is NEVER, lest ye need reminding) he is a great tool (pun intended).But, he is NEVER healthy. Hence, he is always limited. Shockey = hype without the substance. That is the reality, and that cant and shouldnt be pinned on the coaches.
That's how I think about Shockey too. Seems like there are many weeks where he's questionable with some injury.And FWIW Englishteacher, unless you edited the poll Question, I don't see what the big deal is. Makes perfect sense to me. Will Jeremy Shockey be super TE YES or is he stuck NO.
 
Englishteacher said:
Yes [ 17 ] [42.50%]No [ 23 ] [57.50%]Total Votes: 40Man, shockey is pulling back to about even. Is there analysis in here that is changing people's votes? If you voted yes, did something in here convince you?
Are you sure you're not EnglishasasecondlanguageStudent ?I answereed Yes, but I am not sure what I am saying yes to, given the two-sided poll question.
I stated in several threads after I made the poll that a vote for yes means that he will become a Super TE. I was unable to change the poll question. Again, sorry. Actually I teach ESL for a college. :D
 

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