Has there ever been a more unexciting division (1 Viewer)

[David Yudkin]

I can't remember in recent history a more ho-hum collection of QBs in one division than the NFC West this year. There could obviously still be other roster moves or rookis added, but as of today the options appear to be:

Matt Leinart/Derek Anderson

Marc Bulger/AJ Feeley

Alex Smith/David Carr

Matt Hasselbeck/Charlie Whitehurst

What other division/years/quarterbacks rival the morsala being offered up this year out west?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

8-8 takes that divison

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

haha it is bad

NFC North 2 years ago:

Detroit-Kitna

Chicago-Orton

GB-Rodgers(1st year starting)

Vikings-T. Jackson

 

[identikit]

Who's this QB Morsala you speak of?

 

[vandyt]

For FF Owners, with the exception of the Rams, that should be a very exciting division for QBs. All 3 teams offer QBs who will be available as late QB 2s who have the potential to produce like QB1s.

Leinart - I'm not a huge fan, but there aren't many QBs who will utterly fail fantasy wise in that offense with those weapons.

Smith - Showed promise at times last year...in his first full year as a starter with Crabtree, VD and Gore, thats a recipe for big success

Whitehurst - I'm a big fan personally. I think hes their starter week 1, and I think with some (hopefully) offensive additions in the draft, that offense will have some punch to it.

 

[David Yudkin]

For FF Owners, with the exception of the Rams, that should be a very exciting division for QBs. All 3 teams offer QBs who will be available as late QB 2s who have the potential to produce like QB1s.Leinart - I'm not a huge fan, but there aren't many QBs who will utterly fail fantasy wise in that offense with those weapons.Smith - Showed promise at times last year...in his first full year as a starter with Crabtree, VD and Gore, thats a recipe for big successWhitehurst - I'm a big fan personally. I think hes their starter week 1, and I think with some (hopefully) offensive additions in the draft, that offense will have some punch to it.

The guys that have played so far have not done very well and obviously the guys that haven't are totally unproven.Leinart has had a year's worth of total production so far in his time with the Cardinals and has been very underwhelming. Without Boldin the offense doesn't seem as good on paper as it used to be.As you mentioned, the Niners have Crabtree and VD as targets but that still doesn't necessarily mean Smith will do much. I will give him the benefit of the doubt in that he's had a lot of system changes over the years, but his performance so far has been below average.I think Whitehurst and Hasselbeck will split time, meaning neither guy will have great yearly totals (although while each plays they might do ok).Overall, I don't see much in the way of fantasy success on the horizon unless Leinart takes several steps forward, Smith plays a lot better than his track record, or Whitehurst come sin and seizes the opportunity and runs with it. Personally, I wouldn't put much stock in any of those.I suppose adding them as fantasy roster depth would be an option and maybe you get lucky and one pans out, but at this point I wouldn't want to be in a position to ever have to rely on them and/or start them.

 

[Devine Intervention]

I dont think unexciting would be the word used.... maybe poor or lack of talent maybe. But I actually think its one of the more exciting divisions in terms of story line. Im guessing Stl takes Bradford, Arisona with Leihert and Anderson is a nice story line, Seeing if Whitehurst can do anything in Sea and I think someone is SF comes out this year with a decent season. Alot of interesting story lines here and questions to be asked. Im excited to find out. I could see three of these teams coming out with successful QBs by next year, question is who.....

 

[Young 8]

Smith - Showed promise at times last year...in his first full year as a starter with Crabtree, VD and Gore, thats a recipe for big success

lolSmith is ####in garbage

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

Being a Niners fan it's sad to say but yes it's looking like the definition of ugliness in terms of quality QB's. I definitely won't be drafting any of these guys as my QB1. I might only want to put stock in Alex Smith out of that bunch as a QB2. Smith did manage to throw 18 td's and that was from week 7 on so he would be my pick of that litter. I think he could throw 22-25 td's this year providing he stays upright. With that td total I'd be happy with that from my QB2.

I think Smith will have the best production this year in the division, which isn't a sounding vote of confidence for the rest of the guys. If the Rams draft Bradford I hope he starts from week 1. I'd also like to see Charlie Whitehurst earn the starting gig in Seattle. I'm not a Matt Leinart fan but with some of the weapons he has(Fitz,Wells,Breaston) I'd like to see him do well. Especially since I have Fitz and Beanie in a couple of leagues.

The division will be won by the team who's QB plays the best this year. As of now I'm banking on Alex Smith to be that guy and lead the 49ers to their first division title in a while.

 

[CalBear]

How about the 2003 AFC North?

Boller/Wright

Kitna

Tommy Maddox

Couch/Holcomb

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

How about the 2003 AFC North?Boller/WrightKitnaTommy MaddoxCouch/Holcomb

haha....sexy

 

[Gopher State]

For FF Owners, with the exception of the Rams, that should be a very exciting division for QBs. All 3 teams offer QBs who will be available as late QB 2s who have the potential to produce like QB1s.Leinart - I'm not a huge fan, but there aren't many QBs who will utterly fail fantasy wise in that offense with those weapons.Smith - Showed promise at times last year...in his first full year as a starter with Crabtree, VD and Gore, thats a recipe for big successWhitehurst - I'm a big fan personally. I think hes their starter week 1, and I think with some (hopefully) offensive additions in the draft, that offense will have some punch to it.

 

[DisgustingCreature]

I still wonder if McNabb or Kolb or Vick don't get sent to some team in that division.

The Eagles can't hold on to 3 potential starters like that, IMO.

Anybody heard any rumblings?

 

[Don Quixote]

NFC Central late 80s/early 90s/pre-Favre is probably similarly pedestrian--not sure what year to turn to, but off top of head in that era for most prominent QB's for each team:

CHI -- McMahon/Harbaugh

GB -- Dickey/Majkowski

DET -- E.Kramer/Long/Peete

TB -- DeBerg/Testaverde

MIN -- T.Kramer/Wilson/Gannon

 

[CalBear]

NFC Central late 80s/early 90s/pre-Favre is probably similarly pedestrian--not sure what year to turn to, but off top of head in that era for most prominent QB's for each team:CHI -- McMahon/HarbaughGB -- Dickey/MajkowskiDET -- E.Kramer/Long/PeeteTB -- DeBerg/TestaverdeMIN -- T.Kramer/Wilson/Gannon

Sorry, that list doesn't come anywhere near competing. It includes two guys in the top 20 in career passing yards, two Super Bowl winners, and a number of Pro Bowls and All-Pros.

 

[identikit]

NFC Central late 80s/early 90s/pre-Favre is probably similarly pedestrian--not sure what year to turn to, but off top of head in that era for most prominent QB's for each team:CHI -- McMahon/HarbaughGB -- Dickey/MajkowskiDET -- E.Kramer/Long/PeeteTB -- DeBerg/TestaverdeMIN -- T.Kramer/Wilson/Gannon

Sorry, that list doesn't come anywhere near competing. It includes two guys in the top 20 in career passing yards, two Super Bowl winners, and a number of Pro Bowls and All-Pros.

I see 1 Super Bowl winner.

 

[CalBear]

NFC Central late 80s/early 90s/pre-Favre is probably similarly pedestrian--not sure what year to turn to, but off top of head in that era for most prominent QB's for each team:CHI -- McMahon/HarbaughGB -- Dickey/MajkowskiDET -- E.Kramer/Long/PeeteTB -- DeBerg/TestaverdeMIN -- T.Kramer/Wilson/Gannon

Sorry, that list doesn't come anywhere near competing. It includes two guys in the top 20 in career passing yards, two Super Bowl winners, and a number of Pro Bowls and All-Pros.

I see 1 Super Bowl winner.

OK, a quibble; one Super Bowl winner and one AFC champion.

 

[Chase Stuart]

NFC Central late 80s/early 90s/pre-Favre is probably similarly pedestrian--not sure what year to turn to, but off top of head in that era for most prominent QB's for each team:CHI -- McMahon/HarbaughGB -- Dickey/MajkowskiDET -- E.Kramer/Long/PeeteTB -- DeBerg/TestaverdeMIN -- T.Kramer/Wilson/Gannon

Sorry, that list doesn't come anywhere near competing. It includes two guys in the top 20 in career passing yards, two Super Bowl winners, and a number of Pro Bowls and All-Pros.

I see 1 Super Bowl winner.

OK, a quibble; one Super Bowl winner and one AFC champion.

Bulger and Hasselbeck look pretty good, too.

 

[David Yudkin]

NFC Central late 80s/early 90s/pre-Favre is probably similarly pedestrian--not sure what year to turn to, but off top of head in that era for most prominent QB's for each team:CHI -- McMahon/HarbaughGB -- Dickey/MajkowskiDET -- E.Kramer/Long/PeeteTB -- DeBerg/TestaverdeMIN -- T.Kramer/Wilson/Gannon

Sorry, that list doesn't come anywhere near competing. It includes two guys in the top 20 in career passing yards, two Super Bowl winners, and a number of Pro Bowls and All-Pros.

I see 1 Super Bowl winner.

OK, a quibble; one Super Bowl winner and one AFC champion.

Bulger and Hasselbeck look pretty good, too.

Bulger is most likely getting cut and Hasselbeck is nowhere near what he used to be.

 

[Don Quixote]

NFC Central late 80s/early 90s/pre-Favre is probably similarly pedestrian--not sure what year to turn to, but off top of head in that era for most prominent QB's for each team:

CHI -- McMahon/Harbaugh

GB -- Dickey/Majkowski

DET -- E.Kramer/Long/Peete

TB -- DeBerg/Testaverde

MIN -- T.Kramer/Wilson/Gannon

Sorry, that list doesn't come anywhere near competing. It includes two guys in the top 20 in career passing yards, two Super Bowl winners, and a number of Pro Bowls and All-Pros.

I also spread the list out over 5-10 years in that division and just mentioned the "highlights" in that period because I did not have time to research a single year. I'm sure I could find a single year that could be somewhat comparable. And Testaverde sucked his first few years in the league when he was in Tampa.ETA: Looking up an individual year, I looked up 1989, for example. Taking passer rating stats for NFC Central from PFR (out of 27 QBs who had passing attempts to qualify): Don Majkowski (GB) ranked 8th; after him Wade Wilson (MIN) 21st, Vinny Testaverde (TB) 23rd, Mike Tomczak (CHI) 24th, Bob Gagliano (DET) 25th. So, of the bottom 7 QBs who had a qualifying number of passing attempts with the worst passer rating, 4 were in the NFC Central that year.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1989/passing.htm

 

[Mr. Retukes]

One of those teams will have a top-10 fantasy QB in 2010.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

NFC Central late 80s/early 90s/pre-Favre is probably similarly pedestrian--not sure what year to turn to, but off top of head in that era for most prominent QB's for each team:CHI -- McMahon/HarbaughGB -- Dickey/MajkowskiDET -- E.Kramer/Long/PeeteTB -- DeBerg/TestaverdeMIN -- T.Kramer/Wilson/Gannon

Rotate that list back about a decade to late 70's and early 80s and that division was even worse

 

[LAUNCH]

NFC Central late 80s/early 90s/pre-Favre is probably similarly pedestrian--not sure what year to turn to, but off top of head in that era for most prominent QB's for each team:CHI -- McMahon/HarbaughGB -- Dickey/MajkowskiDET -- E.Kramer/Long/PeeteTB -- DeBerg/TestaverdeMIN -- T.Kramer/Wilson/Gannon

Sorry, that list doesn't come anywhere near competing. It includes two guys in the top 20 in career passing yards, two Super Bowl winners, and a number of Pro Bowls and All-Pros.

I see 1 Super Bowl winner.

OK, a quibble; one Super Bowl winner and one AFC champion.

McMahon & Wilson have rings.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

NFC Central late 80s/early 90s/pre-Favre is probably similarly pedestrian--not sure what year to turn to, but off top of head in that era for most prominent QB's for each team:CHI -- McMahon/HarbaughGB -- Dickey/MajkowskiDET -- E.Kramer/Long/PeeteTB -- DeBerg/TestaverdeMIN -- T.Kramer/Wilson/Gannon

Sorry, that list doesn't come anywhere near competing. It includes two guys in the top 20 in career passing yards, two Super Bowl winners, and a number of Pro Bowls and All-Pros.

I see 1 Super Bowl winner.

OK, a quibble; one Super Bowl winner and one AFC champion.

McMahon & Wilson have rings.

McMahon, Majkowski, Kramer, and Wilson all made the Pro Bowl in the 1980s, and Testaverde, Harbaugh and Gannon all made a Pro Bowl in the '90s. Most of those QBs played at least 10 years in the league. The only "total dud" on that entire list is Chuck Long.

 

[Don Quixote]

Sorry, that list doesn't come anywhere near competing. It includes two guys in the top 20 in career passing yards, two Super Bowl winners, and a number of Pro Bowls and All-Pros.

I see 1 Super Bowl winner.

OK, a quibble; one Super Bowl winner and one AFC champion.

McMahon & Wilson have rings.

McMahon, Majkowski, Kramer, and Wilson all made the Pro Bowl in the 1980s, and Testaverde, Harbaugh and Gannon all made a Pro Bowl in the '90s. Most of those QBs played at least 10 years in the league. The only "total dud" on that entire list is Chuck Long.

Of the 8 QBs in the NFC West listed in original post, four are over thirty, so I'm not sure it is any less experienced (and I think too early to say the other four won't be in the league past 30). And you are taking hind sight into account a bit too much. Testaverde's, Harbaugh's, and Gannon's best successes all came later in their career outside the NFC Central. In his first few years, Testaverde was as much of a laughing stock as JaMarcus is now -- I'm not sure what Testaverde's later success in CLE/BAL/NYJ has to do with him in the NFC Central.And, as I clarified, I was just naming the "highlights" over a lengthy period in the NFC Central. See my post above just taking the year 1989.And are backup QBs given credit for Super Bowl wins as Wade Wilson was above? If so, David Carr has a Super Bowl win too. And, hey, Matt Leinart was a Super Bowl QB too! (And Hasselbeck actually played in one.)

 

[Mr. Retukes]

And you are taking hind sight into account a bit too much.

All I know is that you said "NFC Central late 80s/early 90s/pre-Favre is probably similarly pedestrian".Then I pointed out that the NFC Central had 4 Pro Bowl quarterbacks from 1986-1990.

 

[Don Quixote]

And you are taking hind sight into account a bit too much.

All I know is that you said "NFC Central late 80s/early 90s/pre-Favre is probably similarly pedestrian".Then I pointed out that the NFC Central had 4 Pro Bowl quarterbacks from 1986-1990.

Three Pro Bowl appearances from 1986-1990 (McMahon's was in 1985). Kramer's was in 1986, so looking at two Pro Bowl appearances from 1987 to Favre in 92. Where six divisions and generally six Pro Bowl QBs every year (so should average one Pro Bowl QB per division each year), and only two Pro Bowl appearances from QBs in a five year span, I don't think I'm stretching to call it a relative dead era for QBs in a division.ETA: And if Pro Bowls are the end-all, while the NFC Central had 2 Pro Bowl appearances in that 5-year span, the list of NFC West QBs above has 4 Pro Bowl appearances among them in the past five years (Hass 2, Bulger, and Anderson) (and that's with one fewer team in division).