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[DropKick]

Randy Moss was the most physically gifted WR I've seen in my lifetime and on film. If he'd had anywhere close to Jerry Rice work ethic(or even TO, for that matter), he would have been the greatest ever. He is still one of the greats, but he could have been the G.O.A.T.

Jerry Rice had 1200 yards 7 TDs on the Raiders at age 40. Randy Moss is still only 38. NOBODY had anywhere close to Rice's work ethic and endurance. He wasn't just Randy Moss, he was Randy Moss plus Pete Rose. He had the single season records AND the lifetime records. Nobody else even belongs in the conversation. Tony Gonzalez might be a distant second. This old thread is ridiculous.

2 all time great QBs, and a 4 time pro bowler and NFL MVP QB in Gannon. That Raiders team went to the Super Bowl.

His compiled the greatest bunch of stats for a career the NFL has ever seen... I disagree that makes him the best WR all time in terms of players in their prime. I'd put a handful of guys at their peak above Rice at his. Moss is definitely one of them.

ETA - in other words we have never seen anyone play at Rice's level over a career, but we have certainly seen WR's play at a level Rice never did,

No. Just no.

It was much more than cumulative career stats. Rice posted seasons with over 1,800 yards, or 120+ receptions or 22TDs and huge SB performances... And the game wasn't quite as wide open (from a passing stand point) as its become.

 

[Chaka]

Randy Moss was the most physically gifted WR I've seen in my lifetime and on film. If he'd had anywhere close to Jerry Rice work ethic(or even TO, for that matter), he would have been the greatest ever. He is still one of the greats, but he could have been the G.O.A.T.

Jerry Rice had 1200 yards 7 TDs on the Raiders at age 40. Randy Moss is still only 38. NOBODY had anywhere close to Rice's work ethic and endurance. He wasn't just Randy Moss, he was Randy Moss plus Pete Rose. He had the single season records AND the lifetime records. Nobody else even belongs in the conversation. Tony Gonzalez might be a distant second. This old thread is ridiculous.

2 all time great QBs, and a 4 time pro bowler and NFL MVP QB in Gannon. That Raiders team went to the Super Bowl.

His compiled the greatest bunch of stats for a career the NFL has ever seen... I disagree that makes him the best WR all time in terms of players in their prime. I'd put a handful of guys at their peak above Rice at his. Moss is definitely one of them.

ETA - in other words we have never seen anyone play at Rice's level over a career, but we have certainly seen WR's play at a level Rice never did,

No. Just no.

It was much more than cumulative career stats.

Yup, it was also the cheating.

 

[Ghost Rider]

ETA - in other words we have never seen anyone play at Rice's level over a career, but we have certainly seen WR's play at a level Rice never did,

Please list them.

Randy Moss is not one of them. Moss took 16 games to break the TD-record Rice set in 12 games. And Rice had four seasons of 1,500 yards or more (and a 1,499 season), which is three more than Moss had. Rice at his best was better than Moss at his best.

 

[matuski]

ETA - in other words we have never seen anyone play at Rice's level over a career, but we have certainly seen WR's play at a level Rice never did,

Please list them.

Randy Moss is not one of them. Moss took 16 games to break the TD-record Rice set in 12 games. And Rice had four seasons of 1,500 yards or more (and a 1,499 season), which is three more than Moss had. Rice at his best was better than Moss at his best.

Moss

Calvin

Andre Johnson

Just since Rice left. I'll take these guys on the field at their peak 2-3 seasons over Rice. Stats won't say it, but I will.

Just to repeat - I am not arguing against Rice as the greatest WR all time... his career is pretty much untouchable imo.

eta - maybe Fitz as well.

 

[Chaka]

ETA - in other words we have never seen anyone play at Rice's level over a career, but we have certainly seen WR's play at a level Rice never did,

Please list them.

Randy Moss is not one of them. Moss took 16 games to break the TD-record Rice set in 12 games. And Rice had four seasons of 1,500 yards or more (and a 1,499 season), which is three more than Moss had. Rice at his best was better than Moss at his best.

Rice is also an admitted cheater.

Just sayin'.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

ETA - in other words we have never seen anyone play at Rice's level over a career, but we have certainly seen WR's play at a level Rice never did,

Please list them.

Randy Moss is not one of them. Moss took 16 games to break the TD-record Rice set in 12 games. And Rice had four seasons of 1,500 yards or more (and a 1,499 season), which is three more than Moss had. Rice at his best was better than Moss at his best.

Rice is also an admitted cheater.Just sayin'.

You tried twice on this page. No one's biting. Move along.

 

[Chaka]

ETA - in other words we have never seen anyone play at Rice's level over a career, but we have certainly seen WR's play at a level Rice never did,

Please list them.

Randy Moss is not one of them. Moss took 16 games to break the TD-record Rice set in 12 games. And Rice had four seasons of 1,500 yards or more (and a 1,499 season), which is three more than Moss had. Rice at his best was better than Moss at his best.

Rice is also an admitted cheater.Just sayin'.

You tried twice on this page. No one's biting. Move along.

Is this something that people are just happy to ignore?

Would they if it was Moss who admitted to cheating? What if it was any Patriot? Would we be so willing to gloss over it then? I doubt it.

 

[Gawain]

Hutson is still GOAT.

Lawrence Phillips is the biggest waster of talent in regards to the NFL.

 

[FUBAR]

ETA - in other words we have never seen anyone play at Rice's level over a career, but we have certainly seen WR's play at a level Rice never did,

Please list them.

Randy Moss is not one of them. Moss took 16 games to break the TD-record Rice set in 12 games. And Rice had four seasons of 1,500 yards or more (and a 1,499 season), which is three more than Moss had. Rice at his best was better than Moss at his best.

Moss

Calvin

Andre Johnson

Just since Rice left. I'll take these guys on the field at their peak 2-3 seasons over Rice. Stats won't say it, but I will.

Just to repeat - I am not arguing against Rice as the greatest WR all time... his career is pretty much untouchable imo.

eta - maybe Fitz as well.

It would have been great to see AJ with a top qb. But as is, only Calvin was arguably more dominant at his best than Rice was at his.

It will be fun to see if OBJ can become part of the conversation.

Assume we're just talking receivers here.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

charles rodgers

 

[VarsityBlues123]

ETA - in other words we have never seen anyone play at Rice's level over a career, but we have certainly seen WR's play at a level Rice never did,

Please list them.

Randy Moss is not one of them. Moss took 16 games to break the TD-record Rice set in 12 games. And Rice had four seasons of 1,500 yards or more (and a 1,499 season), which is three more than Moss had. Rice at his best was better than Moss at his best.

Rice is also an admitted cheater.Just sayin'.

You tried twice on this page. No one's biting. Move along.

this should be a discussion if deflated balls are, but rice is not as fun to hate as the patriots.

to the which players is better then which player argument why are people scared to say things. moss was just as good as rice at his best and if moss could have stayed as healthy as rice his pace would have beat some of rices records. is it taboo to think anyone is as good as rice? if gonzo would have played 20 years his reception total would have been untouchable and he quit when he could still play at top levels. that being said i think rice is the best wr ever but that is based mostly off of how long he stayed elite. but if moss could have played as long as rice i think rice wouldnt be as unquestioned by many.

 

[FUBAR]

ETA - in other words we have never seen anyone play at Rice's level over a career, but we have certainly seen WR's play at a level Rice never did,

Please list them.

Randy Moss is not one of them. Moss took 16 games to break the TD-record Rice set in 12 games. And Rice had four seasons of 1,500 yards or more (and a 1,499 season), which is three more than Moss had. Rice at his best was better than Moss at his best.

Rice is also an admitted cheater.Just sayin'.

You tried twice on this page. No one's biting. Move along.

this should be a discussion if deflated balls are, but rice is not as fun to hate as the patriots.

to the which players is better then which player argument why are people scared to say things. moss was just as good as rice at his best and if moss could have stayed as healthy as rice his pace would have beat some of rices records. is it taboo to think anyone is as good as rice? if gonzo would have played 20 years his reception total would have been untouchable and he quit when he could still play at top levels. that being said i think rice is the best wr ever but that is based mostly off of how long he stayed elite. but if moss could have played as long as rice i think rice wouldnt be as unquestioned by many.

fun fact - Moss never led the league in either yards, receptions or yards per reception. He did lead the league in touchdowns five times.

Rice led the league twice in receptions, six times in yards, six times in TDs. All of these occurred in the span of 11 years which is fewer than Moss played. Rice accumulated stats later in his career, but even taking their best decade, Rice was better than Moss.

Moss's top 3 year span was around 300/4100/34, Rice's best 3 year span 330/4850/43

What stats would you use to argue for him being on par with Rice?

 

[VarsityBlues123]

ETA - in other words we have never seen anyone play at Rice's level over a career, but we have certainly seen WR's play at a level Rice never did,

Please list them.

Randy Moss is not one of them. Moss took 16 games to break the TD-record Rice set in 12 games. And Rice had four seasons of 1,500 yards or more (and a 1,499 season), which is three more than Moss had. Rice at his best was better than Moss at his best.

Rice is also an admitted cheater.Just sayin'.

You tried twice on this page. No one's biting. Move along.

this should be a discussion if deflated balls are, but rice is not as fun to hate as the patriots.

to the which players is better then which player argument why are people scared to say things. moss was just as good as rice at his best and if moss could have stayed as healthy as rice his pace would have beat some of rices records. is it taboo to think anyone is as good as rice? if gonzo would have played 20 years his reception total would have been untouchable and he quit when he could still play at top levels. that being said i think rice is the best wr ever but that is based mostly off of how long he stayed elite. but if moss could have played as long as rice i think rice wouldnt be as unquestioned by many.

fun fact - Moss never led the league in either yards, receptions or yards per reception. He did lead the league in touchdowns five times.

Rice led the league twice in receptions, six times in yards, six times in TDs. All of these occurred in the span of 11 years which is fewer than Moss played. Rice accumulated stats later in his career, but even taking their best decade, Rice was better than Moss.

Moss's top 3 year span was around 300/4100/34, Rice's best 3 year span 330/4850/43

What stats would you use to argue for him being on par with Rice?

well if you are relating stats as the only thing that equates a players greatness, how bout his all time record for TDs in a season.

I'll start there and then since you want to do span of certain years how about i double the 3 year span and take the first 6 years of career, so in the prime of their youth.

moss 525-8375-77 in 96 games

rice 446-7866-79 in 92 games

is that on par? i cant tell really.

 

[FUBAR]

ETA - in other words we have never seen anyone play at Rice's level over a career, but we have certainly seen WR's play at a level Rice never did,

Please list them.

Randy Moss is not one of them. Moss took 16 games to break the TD-record Rice set in 12 games. And Rice had four seasons of 1,500 yards or more (and a 1,499 season), which is three more than Moss had. Rice at his best was better than Moss at his best.

Rice is also an admitted cheater.Just sayin'.

You tried twice on this page. No one's biting. Move along.

this should be a discussion if deflated balls are, but rice is not as fun to hate as the patriots.

to the which players is better then which player argument why are people scared to say things. moss was just as good as rice at his best and if moss could have stayed as healthy as rice his pace would have beat some of rices records. is it taboo to think anyone is as good as rice? if gonzo would have played 20 years his reception total would have been untouchable and he quit when he could still play at top levels. that being said i think rice is the best wr ever but that is based mostly off of how long he stayed elite. but if moss could have played as long as rice i think rice wouldnt be as unquestioned by many.

fun fact - Moss never led the league in either yards, receptions or yards per reception. He did lead the league in touchdowns five times.

Rice led the league twice in receptions, six times in yards, six times in TDs. All of these occurred in the span of 11 years which is fewer than Moss played. Rice accumulated stats later in his career, but even taking their best decade, Rice was better than Moss.

Moss's top 3 year span was around 300/4100/34, Rice's best 3 year span 330/4850/43

What stats would you use to argue for him being on par with Rice?

well if you are relating stats as the only thing that equates a players greatness, how bout his all time record for TDs in a season. I'll start there and wait for you to discount it as a stat that doesnt matter, then say it again when you ask me what stat would I use to argue for him being on par with rice, then repeat it again when you get upset because i keep repeating it as an important stat to what puts him on par with rice seeing as how it was rices record he broke. someone said at their best and i responded and said at his best he is every bit as good as rice and at his best he was.

since you want to do span of certain years the first 6 years of career, so in the prime of their youth.

moss 525/8375/77 in 96 games

rice 446/7866/79 in 92 games

is that on par? i cant really tell.

@ "get upset" I enjoy a good debate.

You're absolutely right, TDs matter. In your own selection, Rice scored more TDs in fewer games. You seem to be discounting the additional 4 games Moss played in his record breaking year.

You're also absolutely right that stats aren't the only thing that matter. Being a good teammate and contributing to winning matter a lot. Which player do you think was better in those areas? There's a reason (probably a few reasons) one guy spent 16 years on the same team while the other spent half that time.

As for your selection of years to compare - nice cherry picking. Let's take Moss's best 6 and leave out Rice's best 3 years, and call them close.

 

[VarsityBlues123]

ETA - in other words we have never seen anyone play at Rice's level over a career, but we have certainly seen WR's play at a level Rice never did,

Please list them.

Randy Moss is not one of them. Moss took 16 games to break the TD-record Rice set in 12 games. And Rice had four seasons of 1,500 yards or more (and a 1,499 season), which is three more than Moss had. Rice at his best was better than Moss at his best.

Rice is also an admitted cheater.Just sayin'.

You tried twice on this page. No one's biting. Move along.

this should be a discussion if deflated balls are, but rice is not as fun to hate as the patriots.

to the which players is better then which player argument why are people scared to say things. moss was just as good as rice at his best and if moss could have stayed as healthy as rice his pace would have beat some of rices records. is it taboo to think anyone is as good as rice? if gonzo would have played 20 years his reception total would have been untouchable and he quit when he could still play at top levels. that being said i think rice is the best wr ever but that is based mostly off of how long he stayed elite. but if moss could have played as long as rice i think rice wouldnt be as unquestioned by many.

fun fact - Moss never led the league in either yards, receptions or yards per reception. He did lead the league in touchdowns five times.

Rice led the league twice in receptions, six times in yards, six times in TDs. All of these occurred in the span of 11 years which is fewer than Moss played. Rice accumulated stats later in his career, but even taking their best decade, Rice was better than Moss.

Moss's top 3 year span was around 300/4100/34, Rice's best 3 year span 330/4850/43

What stats would you use to argue for him being on par with Rice?

well if you are relating stats as the only thing that equates a players greatness, how bout his all time record for TDs in a season. I'll start there and wait for you to discount it as a stat that doesnt matter, then say it again when you ask me what stat would I use to argue for him being on par with rice, then repeat it again when you get upset because i keep repeating it as an important stat to what puts him on par with rice seeing as how it was rices record he broke. someone said at their best and i responded and said at his best he is every bit as good as rice and at his best he was.

since you want to do span of certain years the first 6 years of career, so in the prime of their youth.

moss 525/8375/77 in 96 games

rice 446/7866/79 in 92 games

is that on par? i cant really tell.

@ "get upset" I enjoy a good debate.

You're absolutely right, TDs matter. In your own selection, Rice scored more TDs in fewer games. You seem to be discounting the additional 4 games Moss played in his record breaking year.

You're also absolutely right that stats aren't the only thing that matter. Being a good teammate and contributing to winning matter a lot. Which player do you think was better in those areas? There's a reason (probably a few reasons) one guy spent 16 years on the same team while the other spent half that time.

As for your selection of years to compare - nice cherry picking. Let's take Moss's best 6 and leave out Rice's best 3 years, and call them close.

not upset at all just provided what you asked for since you disputed moss was not on par with such certainty. i do get a kick out of providing stats that make those so certain of something think again and as for cherry picking. giving the stats of the first 6 years as they were was cherry picking but you taking their best 3 year span is not. im confused what is cherry picking again?

 

[FUBAR]

ETA - in other words we have never seen anyone play at Rice's level over a career, but we have certainly seen WR's play at a level Rice never did,

Please list them.

Randy Moss is not one of them. Moss took 16 games to break the TD-record Rice set in 12 games. And Rice had four seasons of 1,500 yards or more (and a 1,499 season), which is three more than Moss had. Rice at his best was better than Moss at his best.

Rice is also an admitted cheater.Just sayin'.

You tried twice on this page. No one's biting. Move along.

this should be a discussion if deflated balls are, but rice is not as fun to hate as the patriots.

to the which players is better then which player argument why are people scared to say things. moss was just as good as rice at his best and if moss could have stayed as healthy as rice his pace would have beat some of rices records. is it taboo to think anyone is as good as rice? if gonzo would have played 20 years his reception total would have been untouchable and he quit when he could still play at top levels. that being said i think rice is the best wr ever but that is based mostly off of how long he stayed elite. but if moss could have played as long as rice i think rice wouldnt be as unquestioned by many.

fun fact - Moss never led the league in either yards, receptions or yards per reception. He did lead the league in touchdowns five times.

Rice led the league twice in receptions, six times in yards, six times in TDs. All of these occurred in the span of 11 years which is fewer than Moss played. Rice accumulated stats later in his career, but even taking their best decade, Rice was better than Moss.

Moss's top 3 year span was around 300/4100/34, Rice's best 3 year span 330/4850/43

What stats would you use to argue for him being on par with Rice?

well if you are relating stats as the only thing that equates a players greatness, how bout his all time record for TDs in a season. I'll start there and wait for you to discount it as a stat that doesnt matter, then say it again when you ask me what stat would I use to argue for him being on par with rice, then repeat it again when you get upset because i keep repeating it as an important stat to what puts him on par with rice seeing as how it was rices record he broke. someone said at their best and i responded and said at his best he is every bit as good as rice and at his best he was.

since you want to do span of certain years the first 6 years of career, so in the prime of their youth.

moss 525/8375/77 in 96 games

rice 446/7866/79 in 92 games

is that on par? i cant really tell.

@ "get upset" I enjoy a good debate.

You're absolutely right, TDs matter. In your own selection, Rice scored more TDs in fewer games. You seem to be discounting the additional 4 games Moss played in his record breaking year.

You're also absolutely right that stats aren't the only thing that matter. Being a good teammate and contributing to winning matter a lot. Which player do you think was better in those areas? There's a reason (probably a few reasons) one guy spent 16 years on the same team while the other spent half that time.

As for your selection of years to compare - nice cherry picking. Let's take Moss's best 6 and leave out Rice's best 3 years, and call them close.

not upset at all just provided what you asked for since you disputed moss was not on par with such certainty. i do get a kick out of providing stats that make those so certain of something think again and as for cherry picking. giving the stats of the first 6 years as they were was cherry picking but you taking their best 3 year span is not. im confused what is cherry picking again?

When your statement is "moss was just as good as rice at his best" most people would use their best years as evidence to support that assertion.

 

[matuski]

ETA - in other words we have never seen anyone play at Rice's level over a career, but we have certainly seen WR's play at a level Rice never did,

Please list them.

Randy Moss is not one of them. Moss took 16 games to break the TD-record Rice set in 12 games. And Rice had four seasons of 1,500 yards or more (and a 1,499 season), which is three more than Moss had. Rice at his best was better than Moss at his best.

Rice is also an admitted cheater.Just sayin'.

You tried twice on this page. No one's biting. Move along.

this should be a discussion if deflated balls are, but rice is not as fun to hate as the patriots.

to the which players is better then which player argument why are people scared to say things. moss was just as good as rice at his best and if moss could have stayed as healthy as rice his pace would have beat some of rices records. is it taboo to think anyone is as good as rice? if gonzo would have played 20 years his reception total would have been untouchable and he quit when he could still play at top levels. that being said i think rice is the best wr ever but that is based mostly off of how long he stayed elite. but if moss could have played as long as rice i think rice wouldnt be as unquestioned by many.

fun fact - Moss never led the league in either yards, receptions or yards per reception. He did lead the league in touchdowns five times.

Rice led the league twice in receptions, six times in yards, six times in TDs. All of these occurred in the span of 11 years which is fewer than Moss played. Rice accumulated stats later in his career, but even taking their best decade, Rice was better than Moss.

Moss's top 3 year span was around 300/4100/34, Rice's best 3 year span 330/4850/43

What stats would you use to argue for him being on par with Rice?

well if you are relating stats as the only thing that equates a players greatness, how bout his all time record for TDs in a season. I'll start there and wait for you to discount it as a stat that doesnt matter, then say it again when you ask me what stat would I use to argue for him being on par with rice, then repeat it again when you get upset because i keep repeating it as an important stat to what puts him on par with rice seeing as how it was rices record he broke. someone said at their best and i responded and said at his best he is every bit as good as rice and at his best he was.

since you want to do span of certain years the first 6 years of career, so in the prime of their youth.

moss 525/8375/77 in 96 games

rice 446/7866/79 in 92 games

is that on par? i cant really tell.

@ "get upset" I enjoy a good debate.

You're absolutely right, TDs matter. In your own selection, Rice scored more TDs in fewer games. You seem to be discounting the additional 4 games Moss played in his record breaking year.

You're also absolutely right that stats aren't the only thing that matter. Being a good teammate and contributing to winning matter a lot. Which player do you think was better in those areas? There's a reason (probably a few reasons) one guy spent 16 years on the same team while the other spent half that time.

As for your selection of years to compare - nice cherry picking. Let's take Moss's best 6 and leave out Rice's best 3 years, and call them close.

not upset at all just provided what you asked for since you disputed moss was not on par with such certainty. i do get a kick out of providing stats that make those so certain of something think again and as for cherry picking. giving the stats of the first 6 years as they were was cherry picking but you taking their best 3 year span is not. im confused what is cherry picking again?

When your statement is "moss was just as good as rice at his best" most people would use their best years as evidence to support that assertion.

And using stats never tells the story.

Each situation is different.

 

[DropKick]

ETA - in other words we have never seen anyone play at Rice's level over a career, but we have certainly seen WR's play at a level Rice never did,

Please list them.

Randy Moss is not one of them. Moss took 16 games to break the TD-record Rice set in 12 games. And Rice had four seasons of 1,500 yards or more (and a 1,499 season), which is three more than Moss had. Rice at his best was better than Moss at his best.

Moss

Calvin

Andre Johnson

Just since Rice left. I'll take these guys on the field at their peak 2-3 seasons over Rice. Stats won't say it, but I will.

Just to repeat - I am not arguing against Rice as the greatest WR all time... his career is pretty much untouchable imo.

eta - maybe Fitz as well.

Moss, Calvin and AJ are all great receivers. Johnson was not blessed with the best situation. Still, he scored 8 or more TDs just 4 times in his career and never hit double digits. Rice has three times as many career TDs. Not a good comp with Rice.

Moss had more God given talent than anyone I've ever seen. Truly dominant early in his career but he had his demons. Bottom line? Moss could have done more - he had that much natural ability. I always had more tolerance for him than your average fan but he does have the "less than 100%" legacy which is the opposite of Rice's legacy. Still, to include Moss in a conversation about the biggest waste of talent in league history is ignorant.

Calvin? Insane physical gifts... Often at least double teamed and has taken a lot of physical abuse, which could lead to a shorter career than some. Injuries already costing him significant time.

Jerry Rice, 6'2 200 lbs. 4.59 40 yard dash at the combine... 1,549 receptions, 22,895 yards, 207 TDS (197 receiving)... Compare the raw materials to the three physical freaks that are Moss, Calvin and AJ - and give Rice that much more credit for hard work.

 

[cstu]

DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart.

Both these guys had HOF level talent but couldn't stay healthy.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Don Rogers

 

[matuski]

ETA - in other words we have never seen anyone play at Rice's level over a career, but we have certainly seen WR's play at a level Rice never did,

Please list them.

Randy Moss is not one of them. Moss took 16 games to break the TD-record Rice set in 12 games. And Rice had four seasons of 1,500 yards or more (and a 1,499 season), which is three more than Moss had. Rice at his best was better than Moss at his best.

Moss

Calvin

Andre Johnson

Just since Rice left. I'll take these guys on the field at their peak 2-3 seasons over Rice. Stats won't say it, but I will.

Just to repeat - I am not arguing against Rice as the greatest WR all time... his career is pretty much untouchable imo.

eta - maybe Fitz as well.

Moss, Calvin and AJ are all great receivers. Johnson was not blessed with the best situation. Still, he scored 8 or more TDs just 4 times in his career and never hit double digits. Rice has three times as many career TDs. Not a good comp with Rice.

Moss had more God given talent than anyone I've ever seen. Truly dominant early in his career but he had his demons. Bottom line? Moss could have done more - he had that much natural ability. I always had more tolerance for him than your average fan but he does have the "less than 100%" legacy which is the opposite of Rice's legacy. Still, to include Moss in a conversation about the biggest waste of talent in league history is ignorant.

Calvin? Insane physical gifts... Often at least double teamed and has taken a lot of physical abuse, which could lead to a shorter career than some. Injuries already costing him significant time.

Jerry Rice, 6'2 200 lbs. 4.59 40 yard dash at the combine... 1,549 receptions, 22,895 yards, 207 TDS (197 receiving)... Compare the raw materials to the three physical freaks that are Moss, Calvin and AJ - and give Rice that much more credit for hard work.

Wasn't comparing anyone to Rice.

Simply opining that I would put these guys on the field before Rice.