Has there ever been more wasted talent than... (1 Viewer)

[DiStefano]

"You don't understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am, let's face it." (On The Waterfront)

 

[jojoh07]

Yeah wasted it ... top 5 in almost every wr numbers of all time .

 

[Insein]

Yeah wasted it ... top 5 in almost every wr numbers of all time .

Now Imagine if he had Rice's work ethic?

 

[davearm]

Noticed a Moss owner dropped him first thing this morning.

No corresponding add. Guy would rather have an empty roster spot.

 

[The Man With No Name]

 

[DiStefano]

Yeah wasted it ... top 5 in almost every wr numbers of all time .

Now Imagine if he had Rice's work ethic?

If he'd had Rice's work ethic, he would be a shoo-in for the greatest football player of all time.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

"You don't understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am, let's face it." (On The Waterfront)

"Gentlemen, in the battle of wits, you are unarmed." (Winston Churchill)

 

[heidbrink]

Not this season.

"I don't really care what people think or say about me, because I'm my own man."

"I can't really have any friends. It's sad, really. It's lonely. But that's how I am."

"I play when I want to play."

"It's not that I'm mad or trying to be disgruntled. I'm hurt. You give me a word,"

"Sometimes you want your boss to tell you you're doing a good job. That's every man or woman who works for somebody. ... And that's just the way with football. If you do a good job and think that you're doing a good job, you want to be appreciated. I really don't think that — me, personally — that I'm appreciated."

-Moss

 

[JohnnyU]

Yep, that HOF'er could have been somebody.

 

[Insein]

Yep, that HOF'er could have been somebody.

I don't know that Moss gets first ballot at this point though. If he had half of Rice's work ethic, he'd probably have passed Rice's numbers by now. He's an athletic freak but its all talent. Randy Moss is the Allen Iverson of the NFL.

 

[heidbrink]

Yep, that HOF'er could have been somebody.

I don't know that Moss gets first ballot at this point though. If he had half of Rice's work ethic, he'd probably have passed Rice's numbers by now. He's an athletic freak but its all talent. Randy Moss is the Allen Iverson of the NFL.

Despite his (and owners) miserably underwhelming 2010 fantasy season I'm pretty sure hes still worthy. Even as a "slacker" he's accomplished some considerable feats (quick snipet from wiki): * 4-time All-Pro selection.[79] * Is second on the Minnesota Vikings all-time receiving touchdown list with 92. Cris Carter holds the record with 110 receiving scores. * Caught his 100th touchdown pass in 2006 against San Francisco (on a pass he caught with his legs), the seventh player to do so. * Holds the record for most touchdowns in Minnesota Vikings playoff history with 8. * 10 1,000+ yard receiving seasons - 2nd all-time * 64 career 100 yard games - 2nd all-time; most recent November 15, 2009 * 153 touchdown receptions - 2nd all-time * 75.9 receiving yards per game - 2nd all-time * 154 total touchdowns scored - 4th all-time * 14,804 receiving yards - 6th all-time * 949 career receptions - 10th all-time * Has completed 4 of 8 passes for 106 yards and 2 touchdowns, with 1 interception, giving him a 95.8 passer rating. * Only player to catch 90+ touchdown passes, return a punt for a touchdown, and throw 2 touchdown passes. * Has played on the two highest scoring teams (for a single season) in NFL history: 2007 Patriots (589 points) and the 1998 Vikings (556 points) * Had a career-high 12 receptions for 204 yards against the Chicago Bears, at Soldier Field, on November 14, 1999 in a 27-24 overtime win. * Holds the Vikings record for most 100 yard receiving games with 41. * Has two touchdowns or more in 39 different games (including 3 in the postseason); most recent September 26, 2010 * Has two touchdown receptions or more in 37 different games - (2nd all-time) * Has three touchdowns touchdown receptions or more in 9 different games - (2nd all-time): at Dallas (Nov. 26, 1998), a 46–36 victory; vs. Chicago (Dec. 6, 1998), a 48–22 victory; at Detroit (Oct. 1, 2000), a 31-24 victory; vs. New York Giants (November 19, 2001) a 28-16 victory; vs. San Francisco (Sep. 28, 2003), a 35–7 victory; at Buffalo (November 18, 2007), a 56–10 victory; at Miami (November 23, 2008), a 48–28 victory; vs. Tennessee (October 18, 2009), a 59–0 victory; vs. Jacksonville (December 27, 2009), a 35–7 victory. * Caught a career high four touchdowns at Buffalo (all in the first half). (Nov. 18, 2007) * Had an interception while playing defense in the last few seconds of the first half of the Patriots' game against the Denver Broncos on October 11, 2009. * Has 4 career two-point conversions * Youngest player in NFL history to record his 120th receiving touchdown. (30 years, 313 days)I hate that I'm defending him...

 

[njherdfan]

I'd say that Jamarcus Russell or Charles Rogers could make a pretty convincing argument that yes, there has been more wasted talent than Randy Moss.

 

[PhilLynott]

Why is this a thread? Did you draft Randy in the first round and you are now looking at a 3 and 8 record? Waste of talent, NO.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Yep, that HOF'er could have been somebody.

I don't know that Moss gets first ballot at this point though. If he had half of Rice's work ethic, he'd probably have passed Rice's numbers by now. He's an athletic freak but its all talent. Randy Moss is the Allen Iverson of the NFL.

You don't think Randy Moss got to where he is now without half of Jerry Rice's work ethic. Do you know Randy Moss? We all know how the media tries to depict him.

Check this out

 

[Csonka4life]

He might work out hard but that doesn't mean he puts this effort out on the field. He has clearly quit in certain situations. A professional doesn't force two trades in one year. If he pulled that stunt on the caterer if I was in the locker room I bi##h slap him and get in his face....

 

[Insein]

Yep, that HOF'er could have been somebody.

I don't know that Moss gets first ballot at this point though. If he had half of Rice's work ethic, he'd probably have passed Rice's numbers by now. He's an athletic freak but its all talent. Randy Moss is the Allen Iverson of the NFL.

You don't think Randy Moss got to where he is now without half of Jerry Rice's work ethic. Do you know Randy Moss? We all know how the media tries to depict him.

Check this out

Admittedly I only go by what others have said. Chris Carter stated that in Randy's rookie year, Carter would be working hard all week, busting his ### while Moss went through the motions. Gameday Carter got there early, had a specifc breakfast prepared and contemplated on what to do for the game. Randy would show up about an hour or 2 before gametime, hit up some poptarts and a mountain dew and be ready to go. He'd then go out and catch 1 or 2 TDs. Guy was a freak. So no I don't know how hard Moss works everyday but I can say he never worked near as hard as Rice. If he had, he'd have passed him by now because he had more talent than Rice ever could.

 

[PhilLynott]

He might work out hard but that doesn't mean he puts this effort out on the field. He has clearly quit in certain situations. A professional doesn't force two trades in one year. If he pulled that stunt on the caterer if I was in the locker room I bi##h slap him and get in his face....

We all understand his shortcomings that is why there is a discussion. Moss COULDA' been the best, but he is not a wasted talent. He could be a Contenda' Killa'. (Minny 15-1, and NE 18-1)

 

[gibfunk]

I'd say that Jamarcus Russell or Charles Rogers could make a pretty convincing argument that yes, there has been more wasted talent than Randy Moss.

Having a big arm and a big body don't constitute talent. You have to be talented between the ears as well, which Moss was. It's just that somewhere in his life he figured out that he doesn't have to listen to anybody and he will still get paid. Jamarcus and Rogers would've had to work their ###es off to be the best players ever, Moss could've easily been the best if he wasn't a punk.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

yeah he just rolled out of bed and 153 td balls fell on him.

 

[PhilLynott]

I'd say that Jamarcus Russell or Charles Rogers could make a pretty convincing argument that yes, there has been more wasted talent than Randy Moss.

Having a big arm and a big body don't constitute talent. You have to be talented between the ears as well, which Moss was. It's just that somewhere in his life he figured out that he doesn't have to listen to anybody and he will still get paid. Jamarcus and Rogers would've had to work their ###es off to be the best players ever, Moss could've easily been the best if he wasn't a punk.

Punk has nothing to do with Moss being the best ever. Rice made every catch on the field. Moss is deep ball threat. He does not like over the middle throws. TO is closer to Rice than Randy will ever be.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Admittedly I only go by what others have said. Chris Carter stated that in Randy's rookie year, Carter would be working hard all week, busting his ### while Moss went through the motions. Gameday Carter got there early, had a specifc breakfast prepared and contemplated on what to do for the game. Randy would show up about an hour or 2 before gametime, hit up some poptarts and a mountain dew and be ready to go. He'd then go out and catch 1 or 2 TDs. Guy was a freak. So no I don't know how hard Moss works everyday but I can say he never worked near as hard as Rice. If he had, he'd have passed him by now because he had more talent than Rice ever could.

just imagine the numbers he'd have put up if he had half of chris carter's breakfast.

 

[Limp Ditka]

"You don't understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am, let's face it." (On The Waterfront)

You seem to be pretty good at typing and came up with this, so I guess he has some competition.

 

[gibfunk]

I'd say that Jamarcus Russell or Charles Rogers could make a pretty convincing argument that yes, there has been more wasted talent than Randy Moss.

Having a big arm and a big body don't constitute talent. You have to be talented between the ears as well, which Moss was. It's just that somewhere in his life he figured out that he doesn't have to listen to anybody and he will still get paid. Jamarcus and Rogers would've had to work their ###es off to be the best players ever, Moss could've easily been the best if he wasn't a punk.

Punk has nothing to do with Moss being the best ever. Rice made every catch on the field. Moss is deep ball threat. He does not like over the middle throws. TO is closer to Rice than Randy will ever be.

So Moss' attitude has nothing to do with his downfall? I beg to differ. And why doesn't Moss go over the middle? Possibly because he doesn't WANT to? Sounds like a punk to me.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I'm with the OP. Who knows if JaMarcus actually had any talent? Moss has gobs of talent. He's wasted a lot of it...and is still damned good. If Moss isn't #1 he's certainly in the running for top 10.

Jay Cutler is another modern example of a player being pretty good despite wasting their talent.

 

[PhilLynott]

I'd say that Jamarcus Russell or Charles Rogers could make a pretty convincing argument that yes, there has been more wasted talent than Randy Moss.

Having a big arm and a big body don't constitute talent. You have to be talented between the ears as well, which Moss was. It's just that somewhere in his life he figured out that he doesn't have to listen to anybody and he will still get paid. Jamarcus and Rogers would've had to work their ###es off to be the best players ever, Moss could've easily been the best if he wasn't a punk.

Punk has nothing to do with Moss being the best ever. Rice made every catch on the field. Moss is deep ball threat. He does not like over the middle throws. TO is closer to Rice than Randy will ever be.

So Moss' attitude has nothing to do with his downfall? I beg to differ. And why doesn't Moss go over the middle? Possibly because he doesn't WANT to? Sounds like a punk to me.

Moss is one dimensional. A receiver who doesn't go over the middle is not called a punk, he is called a 5 letter word for cat, a #####!

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

a kitty?

 

[Dez]

Is this post for real ?

 

[Chaka]

He might work out hard but that doesn't mean he puts this effort out on the field. He has clearly quit in certain situations. A professional doesn't force two trades in one year. If he pulled that stunt on the caterer if I was in the locker room I bi##h slap him and get in his face....

We all understand his shortcomings that is why there is a discussion. Moss COULDA' been the best, but he is not a wasted talent. He could be a Contenda' Killa'. (Minny 15-1, and NE 18-1)

True but those two games were so very important.

 

[Serenity Now]

Once in a lifetime talent, really, but he has a history of disappearing when the chips are down that is just as storied as all the pretty numbers he's amassed.

 

[Limp Ditka]

He might work out hard but that doesn't mean he puts this effort out on the field. He has clearly quit in certain situations. A professional doesn't force two trades in one year. If he pulled that stunt on the caterer if I was in the locker room I bi##h slap him and get in his face....

We all understand his shortcomings that is why there is a discussion. Moss COULDA' been the best, but he is not a wasted talent. He could be a Contenda' Killa'. (Minny 15-1, and NE 18-1)

True but those two games were so very important.

SB XLII - 5/62/11998 NFC Championship Game - 6/75/1Just imagine if he tried.

 

[Mikey16x]

Is this guy serious? Moss is arguably the best WR of all-time... wasted talent?? What???

 

[Chaka]

He might work out hard but that doesn't mean he puts this effort out on the field. He has clearly quit in certain situations. A professional doesn't force two trades in one year. If he pulled that stunt on the caterer if I was in the locker room I bi##h slap him and get in his face....

We all understand his shortcomings that is why there is a discussion. Moss COULDA' been the best, but he is not a wasted talent. He could be a Contenda' Killa'. (Minny 15-1, and NE 18-1)

True but those two games were so very important.

SB XLII - 5/62/11998 NFC Championship Game - 6/75/1Just imagine if he tried.

His teams might have won?I get that he works hard. Everything I have heard, beyond the fluff, is that he is a good teammate and a student of the game. I also understand that Jerry Rice's work ethic was an aberration and an unfair benchmark by which to compare future receivers. Unfortunately for Moss few WRs have the G-D given talent that Moss does (I can't think of one who even comes close really) so naturally people wonder what might have been if you combined the greatest talent with the greatest work ethic. Unfortunately you can't always create the Reese's Peanut Butter Cup. It's unfair but it's the way it's gonna be.

 

[Chaka]

Is this guy serious? Moss is arguably the best WR of all-time... wasted talent?? What???

There is no argument as to who is the greatest WR of all time.

 

[Bri]

Charlie Ward.

Active-Reggie Bush bugs me more than Moss. Dude was supposedly the second coming and he flat out stinks as a RB. He's good as a receiver but as a runner? Geesh. Maybe second would be Michael Clayton. 1300 as a rookie, he definitely had the ability to be a star for a long time and...what happened?

Otherwise there's a ton of heisman winners that would qualify here.

 

[Chaka]

Charlie Ward.Active-Reggie Bush bugs me more than Moss. Dude was supposedly the second coming and he flat out stinks as a RB. He's good as a receiver but as a runner? Geesh. Maybe second would be Michael Clayton. 1300 as a rookie, he definitely had the ability to be a star for a long time and...what happened?Otherwise there's a ton of heisman winners that would qualify here.

Reggie Bush is an interesting case.The Saints sure seem to miss him when he's gone. He isn't as dynamic with the ball as many of us expected but he still occupies more defensive time than his strict offensive production would seem to warrant.

 

[cstu]

I posted a similar thread prior to the 2006 season.

I still think his career was a disappointment compared to what it could have been.

 

[ZWK]

Moss is one of the 5 greatest receivers of all time. Based purely on performance, I'd put him behind Rice (the greatest football player of all time), Hutson, and maybe Owens. He led his teams to three of the greatest passing seasons of all time, with three different quarterbacks: Cunningham 1998, Culpepper 2004, and Brady 2007. He had a couple mediocre years in Oakland, he's struggling in his 13th season, and he doesn't live up to Jerry Rice's standards, but that's not a very strong case against him.

For more wasted talent, how about Michael Vick, Kurt Warner, Vinny Testaverde, Chad Pennington, Bert Jones, or Johnny Lujack? And that's just at QB.

 

[Nero]

Randy Moss has his limitations. While not totally one dimensional, he is a speed receiver. Going deep is what Moss does/did better than any other receiver. Combined with his size and great hands, it made him almost unstoppable. Its his limitations as a receiver that prevented him from passing Rice, not his work ethic.

For wasted talent, try Cecil Collins.

 

[netnalp]

David Boston. Also Lawrence Phillips, Desmond Howard & Tyrone Wheatley didn't come close to having the production most expected.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Yep, that HOF'er could have been somebody.

I don't know that Moss gets first ballot at this point though. If he had half of Rice's work ethic, he'd probably have passed Rice's numbers by now. He's an athletic freak but its all talent. Randy Moss is the Allen Iverson of the NFL.

You don't think Randy Moss got to where he is now without half of Jerry Rice's work ethic. Do you know Randy Moss? We all know how the media tries to depict him.

Check this out

Which point are you trying to prove here?

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

Moss not living up to his full potential is a long ways removed from saying he's wasted more talent than anyone in NFL history.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

I'm with the OP. Who knows if JaMarcus actually had any talent? Moss has gobs of talent. He's wasted a lot of it...and is still damned good. If Moss isn't #1 he's certainly in the running for top 10.Jay Cutler is another modern example of a player being pretty good despite wasting their talent.

Moss is not in the top 100 probably add on a few zeros

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

I posted a similar thread prior to the 2006 season.

I still think his career was a disappointment compared to what it could have been.

That his career could have been a lot better is a lot different than saying he is the biggest waste of talentJeff George , Ricky Williams, Vince Young, Limas Sweed amongst hundreds of others are far bigger.

 

[VaTerp]

IMO Moss is not even in the conversation of biggest waste of talent. Could he have done even more in his career? Sure.

But he's accomplished a great deal. To have put up the kind of numbers and he has, to be the top TD producer on the two most prolific offenses in NFL history (teams that went a combined 34-3 in reg. season and playoffs), and to score the go ahead TD in what was 2 minutes away from being the only 19-0 season in NFL history, there is just no way to justify him as being the biggest waste of talent.

In fact, to even include him in the conversation is overstating his incredible talent and understating the talents of others. There have been a lot of tremendously talented athletes who haven't even sniffed the level of success that Randy Moss has enjoyed. Too many to even list.

Just the other week ESPN ran the 30 for 30 on Marcus Dupree.....that's a much bigger waste of talent than Randy Moss.

 

[trader jake]

Is this post for real ?

It's stinky bait but there are fish jumpin' in the boat today.

 

[dennis.moore]

* Has 4 career two-point conversions

Well that makes him a lock then.

 

[C-Bound]

Did you draft Randy in the first round and you are now looking at a 3 and 8 record?

Not sure about him but this is my exact situation.

 

[Ghost Rider]

There have been tons of players who wasted their talent a lot more than Moss did, but to an extent, Moss, despite being undoubtedly one of the top three players at his position since entering the league, did waste his. Look at his Oakland years and this year; he clearly wasn't over the hill when in Oakland, and I don't think he is now either. He simply doesn't care enough to try, so in that respect, there have been multiple times in his NFL career where he wasted his talent.

 

[CrossEyed]

You don't have to have been a bust to have wasted your talent.

I don't think he's #1 on the list of wasting his talent, but there is little doubt that he didn't make the most of his ability.

 

[Legion of Doom]

Is this post for real ?

It's stinky bait but there are fish jumpin' in the boat today.

Yep GB Rice is not a Hofer.....they're still unloading that catch!