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Has your team had 15 players on the IR in the 2024 season? (1 Viewer)

BobbyLayne

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What? lol No. Dude that's like almost one third of a roster!

Detroit:

No. Actually it's 18 22.

Currently on Injured Reserve
  • 34 Alex Anzalone OLB (IR)
  • 61 David Bada DT Intl Pathway Player (IR)
  • -- Michael Badgley K (IR)
  • 55 Derrick Barnes ILB (IR)
  • 79 John Cominsky DE (IR)
  • 92 Marcus Davenport DE (IR)
  • 76 Connor Galvin RT (IR)
  • 80 Antoine Green WR (IR)
  • 97 Aidan Hutchinson DE (IR)
  • 57 Nate Lynn OLB (IR)
  • 6 Ifeatu Melifonwu FS (IR)
  • 52 Netane Muti G (IR)
  • 96 Kyle Peko DT (IR)
  • 15 Ennis Rakestraw Jr. CB (IR)
  • 11 Kalif Raymond WR (IR)
  • 42 Jalen Reeves-Maybin OLB (IR)
  • 44 Malcolm Rodriguez OLB (IR)
  • 94 Mekhi Wingo DT (IR)
oh wait, there’s more
  • 5 David Montgomery (IR)
  • 23 Carlton Davis III CB (IR)
  • 30 Khalil Dorsey CB (IR)
  • 54 Alim McNeill DI (IR)
+ 2 Players who were on IR or NFI but have returned to the 53-man active roster:
  • 73 Christian Mahogany G (NFI - contracted mono at the start of TC)
  • 4 Emmanuel Moseley CB (IR-R - pectoral)
I *think* that's everyone but not certain.
 
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Quantity of players doesn't equal quality of players. Hutchinson is a huge loss, and Anzalone is up there, especially when combined with Rodriguez, but San Fran, Dallas, Miami, New Orleans, and maybe Houston, have all had worse injury luck.
 
I remember one year Rodgers took GB to the NFC CG vs Atlanta and they were down their top 4 corners and 3 guards and another guard got hurt so a DT played guard the 2nd half hahahaa
 
While SF has an argument, I think Dallas has probably had the worst injury luck. Could argue the 6 best players on Dallas are:

Dak Prescott
CeeDee Lamb
Micah Parsons
DeMarcus Lawrence
Daron Bland
Trevon Diggs

Lamb is the only one that hasn't missed multiple games, and he's had like 4 different injuries himself that are also limiting his effectiveness.
 
If Detroit didn't have so many injuries they might be the best team in the NFL
Unfortunately with all of this, just be unconscionable to rank them #1 overall
 
While SF has an argument, I think Dallas has probably had the worst injury luck. Could argue the 6 best players on Dallas are:

Dak Prescott
CeeDee Lamb
Micah Parsons
DeMarcus Lawrence
Daron Bland
Trevon Diggs

Lamb is the only one that hasn't missed multiple games, and he's had like 4 different injuries himself that are also limiting his effectiveness.
Not that it matters anymore, but their HOF right guard hasn’t been playing lately either. Also their other starting WR just came back after missing 2 months
 
I remember one year Rodgers took GB to the NFC CG vs Atlanta and they were down their top 4 corners and 3 guards and another guard got hurt so a DT played guard the 2nd half hahahaa

Look at the injuries from the 2010 Packers

There's like whole position groups wiped out

14 on IR and it was pretty concentrated for a few groups, but they went on the road as a WC and beat everyone

Legit one of the best SB runs ever, and that's coming from someone who hates the Packers lol
 
Quantity of players doesn't equal quality of players. Hutchinson is a huge loss, and Anzalone is up there, especially when combined with Rodriguez, but San Fran, Dallas, Miami, New Orleans, and maybe Houston, have all had worse injury luck.

DI - 3rd and 4th interior defensive lineman; need a rotation for inside guys; McNeill is young & can handle an uptick, 335 lb DJ Reader (9th yr), not so much - although so far so good
ED - 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th Edge - literally the entire position group has been replaced.
LB - Anzalone and Barnes were both starters, Rodriguez is an important contributor, Reeves-Maybin is the ST captain; that's 4 of their Top 5 LB
CB - Emmanuel Moseley was slated to be the starting NB/Slot CB
S - Ifeatu Melifonwu started the last 9 games of 2023; he had the 4th highest PFF grade amongst NFC S last year (9th overall)
K - Bates is an upgrade but he had not yet won the job when Badgeley went down

7 starters and 7 key contributors is not insignificant.

Adam Schefter discussed the Lions front 7 with McAfee today
 
Yes, 15 if I count correctly for the Panthers.

I see 13 waived/injured that show up on the Week 1 IR - all of those were waived/injured, e.g., player gets released and the teams have 5-days to effect an injury settlements. Should never count these because they were not on the 53-man or the practice squad. That's different than season ending IR, that is players who remain on IR & are still team members.
  1. Popo Aumavae - waived/injury 8/16
  2. Daewood Davis - waived/injury 8/9
  3. Tae Davis - placed on IR 8/1; waived/injury 8/9
  4. J.D. DiRenzo - waived/injur7 8/13
  5. Cam Gill - placed on IR 8/27, released 9/5, signed by Detroit (practice squad) 10/7, claimed & signed to Panthers 53-man 10/22
  6. Nash Jensen - waived/injury 8/21
  7. Jim Manning - placed on IR 5/13, waived 6/5, subsequently signed by Seattle
  8. Tayvion Robinson - waived/injury 8/26
  9. Stephen Sullivan - placed on IR 8/1, released 8/8, resigned to practice squad 9/30
  10. Deven Thompkins - waived/injured 8/17, resigned to practice squad 9/30
  11. Badara Traore - waived/injury 8/22, placed on IR 8/23, waived/injury 9/2
  12. Kemoko Turay - placed on IR 8/5, released 8/14
  13. Raequan Williams - 5/13 placed on IR after clearing waivers, hasn't played a snap in 3 years
Now that we have the Key & Peele skit out of the way, let's see how many actual members of the Panthers ended up on IR.
  1. Anthony Brown - placed on IR 8/20 (e.g., was never part of the 53-man but they've kept him on IR so maybe he'll sign a futures contract in January)
  2. Derrick Brown - starter, placed on season ending IR 9/10
  3. Austin Corbett - starter, placed on season ending IR 10/12
  4. Jaden Crumedy - placed on IR-R 8/29, practice window opened, activated to the 53-man 11/6. Has been traded 3 times but has never played a down in the NFL.
  5. jordan Fuller - placed on IR-R 9/24, activated 11/10
  6. Lamar Jackson - waived/injured 8/19, placed on IR-R 8/20, signed to practice squad 11/10
  7. Jake Luton - placed on season ending IR 8/19
  8. Miles Sanders - placed on season ending IR 11/23
  9. Nick Scott - placed on IR-R 10/26, started his 21-day practice window 11/27
  10. Adam Thielen - placed on IR-R 9/24, activated 11/12
  11. Ian thomas - placed on IR 9/7, activated 10/12, placed on IR 11/18
  12. Shaq Thompson - placed on season ending IR 10/5
I got 12 for Carolina per Pro Football Reference.
 
ED - 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th Edge - literally the entire position group has been replaced.
This was Miami in the playoffs last year. Every edge, their backup, and that guys backup were out. Every single active edge besides Ogbah was not on the roster on Christmas (and Ogbah was not playing well while recovering from injury, and inactive until Christmas). It is definitely a bear to overcome.

Still, the lions had most of these edges injured before the deadline. I really thought they should have been targeting 2 edge guys.
 
Lions' fans getting their excuses ready early?
Dan Campbell doesn't make excuses. His players don't make excuses. I can't speak for everyone but this particular fan doesn't make excuses. Take whoever you have, then line up and play.

DC has always said "Next man up" The next man up might not be as good but he will be ready to play. That is all you can ask for.

Only problem is with 6-7 starters out on D now Lions are bringing in defensive players off the street who will only have 2 practices before the GB game. Going to be interesting for sure.
 
I remember one year Rodgers took GB to the NFC CG vs Atlanta and they were down their top 4 corners and 3 guards and another guard got hurt so a DT played guard the 2nd half hahahaa

Look at the injuries from the 2010 Packers

There's like whole position groups wiped out

14 on IR and it was pretty concentrated for a few groups, but they went on the road as a WC and beat everyone

Legit one of the best SB runs ever, and that's coming from someone who hates the Packers lol

Probably the greatest qb playoff run ever? he was perfect in upset @ATL & vs Pittsburg in the SB
 
I remember one year Rodgers took GB to the NFC CG vs Atlanta and they were down their top 4 corners and 3 guards and another guard got hurt so a DT played guard the 2nd half hahahaa

Look at the injuries from the 2010 Packers

There's like whole position groups wiped out

14 on IR and it was pretty concentrated for a few groups, but they went on the road as a WC and beat everyone

Legit one of the best SB runs ever, and that's coming from someone who hates the Packers lol

Probably the greatest qb playoff run ever? he was perfect in upset @ATL & vs Pittsburg in the SB
2012 Joe Flacco has entered the chat.
 
Currently on Injured Reserve
  • 92 Marcus Davenport DE (IR)
Like Detroit couldn't see that one coming.
Injuries limited him to 63 appearances in five seasons with the Saints, and last season, with the Minnesota Vikings, he appeared in just four games due to a right ankle injury.

Paid half of what the Vikings did a year ago, though. Oh, wait.....we got half as many games out of him as MIN (2 v 4 a year ago.)

He actually played pretty decent for the short time he was healthy. Guy has talent, but just cannot stay on the field to save his life.
 
Yes, 15 if I count correctly for the Panthers.

I see 13 waived/injured that show up on the Week 1 IR - all of those were waived/injured, e.g., player gets released and the teams have 5-days to effect an injury settlements. Should never count these because they were not on the 53-man or the practice squad. That's different than season ending IR, that is players who remain on IR & are still team members.
  1. Popo Aumavae - waived/injury 8/16
  2. Daewood Davis - waived/injury 8/9
  3. Tae Davis - placed on IR 8/1; waived/injury 8/9
  4. J.D. DiRenzo - waived/injur7 8/13
  5. Cam Gill - placed on IR 8/27, released 9/5, signed by Detroit (practice squad) 10/7, claimed & signed to Panthers 53-man 10/22
  6. Nash Jensen - waived/injury 8/21
  7. Jim Manning - placed on IR 5/13, waived 6/5, subsequently signed by Seattle
  8. Tayvion Robinson - waived/injury 8/26
  9. Stephen Sullivan - placed on IR 8/1, released 8/8, resigned to practice squad 9/30
  10. Deven Thompkins - waived/injured 8/17, resigned to practice squad 9/30
  11. Badara Traore - waived/injury 8/22, placed on IR 8/23, waived/injury 9/2
  12. Kemoko Turay - placed on IR 8/5, released 8/14
  13. Raequan Williams - 5/13 placed on IR after clearing waivers, hasn't played a snap in 3 years
Now that we have the Key & Peele skit out of the way, let's see how many actual members of the Panthers ended up on IR.
  1. Anthony Brown - placed on IR 8/20 (e.g., was never part of the 53-man but they've kept him on IR so maybe he'll sign a futures contract in January)
  2. Derrick Brown - starter, placed on season ending IR 9/10
  3. Austin Corbett - starter, placed on season ending IR 10/12
  4. Jaden Crumedy - placed on IR-R 8/29, practice window opened, activated to the 53-man 11/6. Has been traded 3 times but has never played a down in the NFL.
  5. jordan Fuller - placed on IR-R 9/24, activated 11/10
  6. Lamar Jackson - waived/injured 8/19, placed on IR-R 8/20, signed to practice squad 11/10
  7. Jake Luton - placed on season ending IR 8/19
  8. Miles Sanders - placed on season ending IR 11/23
  9. Nick Scott - placed on IR-R 10/26, started his 21-day practice window 11/27
  10. Adam Thielen - placed on IR-R 9/24, activated 11/12
  11. Ian thomas - placed on IR 9/7, activated 10/12, placed on IR 11/18
  12. Shaq Thompson - placed on season ending IR 10/5
I got 12 for Carolina per Pro Football Reference.
Maybe change the question to be more specific? Not sure why guys that get hurt to the point they get waived are excluded.

Has your team had 15 players on the IR in the 2024 season?​


Not sure where Brooks is. Guess he doesn't make the cut with his non-football football injury.
 
Maybe change the question to be more specific? Not sure why guys that get hurt to the point they get waived are excluded.

Waived/injured is a very specific type of transaction covered by the CBA. Teams have 5 days to reach an injury settlement with any player who is cut while injured.

The IR move is simply an interim procedural move while they work out the settlement. It’s quite distinct as a transaction from a player being placed on IR.

The question is fine, the only issue is understanding the nuances of waived/injured. We’re not building rockets here.
 
Maybe change the question to be more specific? Not sure why guys that get hurt to the point they get waived are excluded.

Waived/injured is a very specific type of transaction covered by the CBA. Teams have 5 days to reach an injury settlement with any player who is cut while injured.

The IR move is simply an interim procedural move while they work out the settlement. It’s quite distinct as a transaction from a player being placed on IR.

The question is fine, the only issue is understanding the nuances of waived/injured. We’re not building rockets here.
Speak for yourself GB.
 
ED - 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th Edge - literally the entire position group has been replaced.
This was Miami in the playoffs last year. Every edge, their backup, and that guys backup were out. Every single active edge besides Ogbah was not on the roster on Christmas (and Ogbah was not playing well while recovering from injury, and inactive until Christmas). It is definitely a bear to overcome.
Years in the future, it will be a fun factoid that they brought Justin Houston, Melvin Ingram and Jason Pierre-Paul to the playoffs. They were all washed of course. But the names, Jerry, the names!
 
Contextualizing Lions' woes to the most injury-ravaged roster of the past decade

Justin Rogers | Detroit Football Network | Substack

Allen Park — The Baltimore Ravens' entered the 2021 season with typically lofty expectations, despite premature postseason exits each of the past three years.

But the injury bug had a different vision for the franchise. The roster ravaging began in the offseason and never let up. And despite pushing valiantly forward through the woes, including an early-season five-game winning streak and an 8-3 start, the attrition eventually caught up to the Ravens.

The knockout blow was a severe ankle injury to star quarterback Lamar Jackson, leading to the Ravens losing their final six contests. It remains the franchise’s only absence from the postseason since 2017.

There are a few publications that attempt to contextualize the impact of injuries on NFL teams' seasons. One of the most popular is the defunct Football Outsiders, which has been maintained by many of the minds behind that entity at For the Numbers. Regardless of the platform, the 2021 Ravens are considered by all as the most injury-affected team of the past decade.

And while it’s too early to try to summarize what the 2024 Detroit Lions are going through, those Ravens, who placed 25 players on injured reserve, provide us a baseline understanding regarding the uniqueness of the challenges the Lions are battling through.

Before we dive into how the Lions’ problems stack up, we should first recap what happened to the Ravens in 2021, position by position.

Quarterback: As noted above, Jackson, the league’s MVP in 2019, suffered an ankle injury in the early stages of the team’s Week 14 game against Cleveland. The Ravens would go on to lose that divisional matchup as well as the next four weeks with their starting QB sidelined.

Offensive line: Star left tackle Ronnie Stanley played in the season opener before missing the remainder of the year with an ankle injury. Patrick Mekari, his replacement in the lineup, would also miss four games with an ankle injury, while Week 1 starting left guard Tyre Phillips would sit out nine weeks with two separate injuries. The top interior backup, Ben Cleveland, also had a midseason stint on injured reserve.

Running back: Arguably no position group was hit harder as the team lost its top three backs before the season started. J.K. Dobbins and Gus Edwards suffered torn ACLs while Justice Hill ruptured his Achilles.

Baltimore is a team that leans on its rushing attack and found itself scrambling ahead of Week 1. The team ultimately signed three accomplished veterans in early September — Devonta Freeman, Latavius Murray and LeVeon Bell — to shoulder the load.

Wide receiver: While there weren’t any season-ending injuries in the room, Reshod Bateman missed the first four weeks with a groin injury, free-agent signing Sammy Watkins sat out three with a thigh issue, and Miles Boykin, a 13-game starter a year earlier, was banged up much of the season and finished with one catch in 2021.

Tight end: If there was a bright spot that year for Baltimore, it was Mark Andrews, who played in every game for only the second time in his career and posted what remains his best production: 107 catches for 1,361 yards and nine touchdowns.

Where the team got dinged was backup Nick Boyle, a key contributor to the run game. He was limited to five games and 95 snaps by a torn hamstring and blown-out knee.

Defensive line: Baltimore’s defensive front was dealt a big blow early when Derek Wolfe couldn’t shake a back injury and missed the entire season. He would never play another down in the NFL.

The rest of the front held up reasonably well, relatively speaking, with Calais Campbell missing two games and defensive tackle Brandon Williams sidelined four by a shoulder issue.

Linebacker: Starter L.J. Fort tore his ACL in August. Like Wolfe, it ended up being a career-ender for the veteran defender.

Secondary: The defensive backfield was another group decimated by injuries, starting with cornerback Marcus Peters being lost for the season with an ACL tear in training camp.

Additionally, part of the Peters’ replacement plan, Chris Westry, missed most of the year with a knee injury. Veteran Jimmy Smith missed multiple games with both ankle and neck injuries, and the starter opposite Peters, Marlon Humphrey, missed the final five games, all losses, with a torn pec.

At safety, starter DeShon Elliott was lost for the year and missed the final 11 games after also tearing his pec.

When it’s laid out, the devastation is clear. The Ravens dealt with injuries to starters at nearly every position group, many of them season-ending. It’s a minor miracle they sustained as long as they did, but similar to the present-day Lions, it’s a well-coached franchise, typically with tremendous depth and high standards. Next man up isn't just a phrase, it carries expectations.

The way injuries have affected the Lions has been far different. In fact, they’ve remained largely remained unscathed on one side of the ball.

The only time Jared Goff hasn’t been on the field is when he’s given way to backup Hendon Hooker in three blowouts. They’ve had a few minor concerns along the offensive line, but nothing requiring an IR stint. The running backs and tight ends have mostly been available, sans Sam LaPorta missing one game with a banged-up shoulder. And in the receiver room, the only loss has been Kalif Raymond, No. 4 on the depth chart, but still a tough blow on special teams as a former All-Pro returner.

No, where Detroit has been absolutely crushed is on defense.

Up front, they’ve suffered through the long-term losses of Aidan Hutchinson, Marcus Davenport, John Cominsky, Kyle Peko and rookie Mekhi Wingo. They're also currently dealing with some more short-term concerns with Josh Paschal, Levi Onwuzurike and DJ Reader. That could facilitate a bigger role for Brodric Martin, the second-year developmental player who was robbed of that development while on the shelf with a knee injury during the first half of this season.

In the next level, the linebackers have been hit equally as hard as the front. Derrick Barnes remains likely out for the year and Malcolm Rodriguez definitely is after tearing his ACL last week. Additionally, Alex Anzalone and Jalen Reeves-Maybin are currently on injured reserve, although there’s hope both can come back near the end of the regular season.

The secondary has been more fortunate, but not without issues. Emmanuel Moseley, the projected starter at the nickel, and No. 3 safety Ifeatu Melifonwu suffered long-term issues in camp. Moseley just got back and has yet to play a defensive snap, while Melifonwu remains out of action.

The starting five to open the year — Carlton Davis III, Terrion Arnold, Amik Robertson, Kerby Joseph and Brian Branch — have been more fortunate, with two not missing any time and the other three sitting out just one game apiece, assuming Davis returns to action this Thursday.

Rookie reserve Ennis Rakestraw did land on IR, but he’d only seen limited playing time through 12 weeks.

Comparatively, what the Lions are going through on defense stacks up against the 2021 Ravens and likely any other roster from the past decade. Not that it surprises anyone, they’re down at least four starters, at least a couple replacement starters, and several key backups entering the stretch run.

What remains surprising is how well they’ve held up after each blow, with the past six opponents averaging 13.8 points. But the relative durability of Detroit’s offense, when contrasting the two rosters, is a reminder of how much worse it could be and why Detroit's Super Bowl aspirations remain in play, even if weakened by their ongoing tribulations.
 
Contextualizing Lions' woes to the most injury-ravaged roster of the past decade

Justin Rogers | Detroit Football Network | Substack

Allen Park — The Baltimore Ravens' entered the 2021 season with typically lofty expectations, despite premature postseason exits each of the past three years.

But the injury bug had a different vision for the franchise. The roster ravaging began in the offseason and never let up. And despite pushing valiantly forward through the woes, including an early-season five-game winning streak and an 8-3 start, the attrition eventually caught up to the Ravens.

The knockout blow was a severe ankle injury to star quarterback Lamar Jackson, leading to the Ravens losing their final six contests. It remains the franchise’s only absence from the postseason since 2017.

There are a few publications that attempt to contextualize the impact of injuries on NFL teams' seasons. One of the most popular is the defunct Football Outsiders, which has been maintained by many of the minds behind that entity at For the Numbers. Regardless of the platform, the 2021 Ravens are considered by all as the most injury-affected team of the past decade.

And while it’s too early to try to summarize what the 2024 Detroit Lions are going through, those Ravens, who placed 25 players on injured reserve, provide us a baseline understanding regarding the uniqueness of the challenges the Lions are battling through.

Before we dive into how the Lions’ problems stack up, we should first recap what happened to the Ravens in 2021, position by position.

Quarterback: As noted above, Jackson, the league’s MVP in 2019, suffered an ankle injury in the early stages of the team’s Week 14 game against Cleveland. The Ravens would go on to lose that divisional matchup as well as the next four weeks with their starting QB sidelined.

Offensive line: Star left tackle Ronnie Stanley played in the season opener before missing the remainder of the year with an ankle injury. Patrick Mekari, his replacement in the lineup, would also miss four games with an ankle injury, while Week 1 starting left guard Tyre Phillips would sit out nine weeks with two separate injuries. The top interior backup, Ben Cleveland, also had a midseason stint on injured reserve.

Running back: Arguably no position group was hit harder as the team lost its top three backs before the season started. J.K. Dobbins and Gus Edwards suffered torn ACLs while Justice Hill ruptured his Achilles.

Baltimore is a team that leans on its rushing attack and found itself scrambling ahead of Week 1. The team ultimately signed three accomplished veterans in early September — Devonta Freeman, Latavius Murray and LeVeon Bell — to shoulder the load.

Wide receiver: While there weren’t any season-ending injuries in the room, Reshod Bateman missed the first four weeks with a groin injury, free-agent signing Sammy Watkins sat out three with a thigh issue, and Miles Boykin, a 13-game starter a year earlier, was banged up much of the season and finished with one catch in 2021.

Tight end: If there was a bright spot that year for Baltimore, it was Mark Andrews, who played in every game for only the second time in his career and posted what remains his best production: 107 catches for 1,361 yards and nine touchdowns.

Where the team got dinged was backup Nick Boyle, a key contributor to the run game. He was limited to five games and 95 snaps by a torn hamstring and blown-out knee.

Defensive line: Baltimore’s defensive front was dealt a big blow early when Derek Wolfe couldn’t shake a back injury and missed the entire season. He would never play another down in the NFL.

The rest of the front held up reasonably well, relatively speaking, with Calais Campbell missing two games and defensive tackle Brandon Williams sidelined four by a shoulder issue.

Linebacker: Starter L.J. Fort tore his ACL in August. Like Wolfe, it ended up being a career-ender for the veteran defender.

Secondary: The defensive backfield was another group decimated by injuries, starting with cornerback Marcus Peters being lost for the season with an ACL tear in training camp.

Additionally, part of the Peters’ replacement plan, Chris Westry, missed most of the year with a knee injury. Veteran Jimmy Smith missed multiple games with both ankle and neck injuries, and the starter opposite Peters, Marlon Humphrey, missed the final five games, all losses, with a torn pec.

At safety, starter DeShon Elliott was lost for the year and missed the final 11 games after also tearing his pec.

When it’s laid out, the devastation is clear. The Ravens dealt with injuries to starters at nearly every position group, many of them season-ending. It’s a minor miracle they sustained as long as they did, but similar to the present-day Lions, it’s a well-coached franchise, typically with tremendous depth and high standards. Next man up isn't just a phrase, it carries expectations.

The way injuries have affected the Lions has been far different. In fact, they’ve remained largely remained unscathed on one side of the ball.

The only time Jared Goff hasn’t been on the field is when he’s given way to backup Hendon Hooker in three blowouts. They’ve had a few minor concerns along the offensive line, but nothing requiring an IR stint. The running backs and tight ends have mostly been available, sans Sam LaPorta missing one game with a banged-up shoulder. And in the receiver room, the only loss has been Kalif Raymond, No. 4 on the depth chart, but still a tough blow on special teams as a former All-Pro returner.

No, where Detroit has been absolutely crushed is on defense.

Up front, they’ve suffered through the long-term losses of Aidan Hutchinson, Marcus Davenport, John Cominsky, Kyle Peko and rookie Mekhi Wingo. They're also currently dealing with some more short-term concerns with Josh Paschal, Levi Onwuzurike and DJ Reader. That could facilitate a bigger role for Brodric Martin, the second-year developmental player who was robbed of that development while on the shelf with a knee injury during the first half of this season.

In the next level, the linebackers have been hit equally as hard as the front. Derrick Barnes remains likely out for the year and Malcolm Rodriguez definitely is after tearing his ACL last week. Additionally, Alex Anzalone and Jalen Reeves-Maybin are currently on injured reserve, although there’s hope both can come back near the end of the regular season.

The secondary has been more fortunate, but not without issues. Emmanuel Moseley, the projected starter at the nickel, and No. 3 safety Ifeatu Melifonwu suffered long-term issues in camp. Moseley just got back and has yet to play a defensive snap, while Melifonwu remains out of action.

The starting five to open the year — Carlton Davis III, Terrion Arnold, Amik Robertson, Kerby Joseph and Brian Branch — have been more fortunate, with two not missing any time and the other three sitting out just one game apiece, assuming Davis returns to action this Thursday.

Rookie reserve Ennis Rakestraw did land on IR, but he’d only seen limited playing time through 12 weeks.

Comparatively, what the Lions are going through on defense stacks up against the 2021 Ravens and likely any other roster from the past decade. Not that it surprises anyone, they’re down at least four starters, at least a couple replacement starters, and several key backups entering the stretch run.

What remains surprising is how well they’ve held up after each blow, with the past six opponents averaging 13.8 points. But the relative durability of Detroit’s offense, when contrasting the two rosters, is a reminder of how much worse it could be and why Detroit's Super Bowl aspirations remain in play, even if weakened by their ongoing tribulations.
:ptts:
 
Contextualizing Lions' woes to the most injury-ravaged roster of the past decade

Justin Rogers | Detroit Football Network | Substack

Allen Park — The Baltimore Ravens' entered the 2021 season with typically lofty expectations, despite premature postseason exits each of the past three years.

But the injury bug had a different vision for the franchise. The roster ravaging began in the offseason and never let up. And despite pushing valiantly forward through the woes, including an early-season five-game winning streak and an 8-3 start, the attrition eventually caught up to the Ravens.

The knockout blow was a severe ankle injury to star quarterback Lamar Jackson, leading to the Ravens losing their final six contests. It remains the franchise’s only absence from the postseason since 2017.

There are a few publications that attempt to contextualize the impact of injuries on NFL teams' seasons. One of the most popular is the defunct Football Outsiders, which has been maintained by many of the minds behind that entity at For the Numbers. Regardless of the platform, the 2021 Ravens are considered by all as the most injury-affected team of the past decade.

And while it’s too early to try to summarize what the 2024 Detroit Lions are going through, those Ravens, who placed 25 players on injured reserve, provide us a baseline understanding regarding the uniqueness of the challenges the Lions are battling through.

Before we dive into how the Lions’ problems stack up, we should first recap what happened to the Ravens in 2021, position by position.

Quarterback: As noted above, Jackson, the league’s MVP in 2019, suffered an ankle injury in the early stages of the team’s Week 14 game against Cleveland. The Ravens would go on to lose that divisional matchup as well as the next four weeks with their starting QB sidelined.

Offensive line: Star left tackle Ronnie Stanley played in the season opener before missing the remainder of the year with an ankle injury. Patrick Mekari, his replacement in the lineup, would also miss four games with an ankle injury, while Week 1 starting left guard Tyre Phillips would sit out nine weeks with two separate injuries. The top interior backup, Ben Cleveland, also had a midseason stint on injured reserve.

Running back: Arguably no position group was hit harder as the team lost its top three backs before the season started. J.K. Dobbins and Gus Edwards suffered torn ACLs while Justice Hill ruptured his Achilles.

Baltimore is a team that leans on its rushing attack and found itself scrambling ahead of Week 1. The team ultimately signed three accomplished veterans in early September — Devonta Freeman, Latavius Murray and LeVeon Bell — to shoulder the load.

Wide receiver: While there weren’t any season-ending injuries in the room, Reshod Bateman missed the first four weeks with a groin injury, free-agent signing Sammy Watkins sat out three with a thigh issue, and Miles Boykin, a 13-game starter a year earlier, was banged up much of the season and finished with one catch in 2021.

Tight end: If there was a bright spot that year for Baltimore, it was Mark Andrews, who played in every game for only the second time in his career and posted what remains his best production: 107 catches for 1,361 yards and nine touchdowns.

Where the team got dinged was backup Nick Boyle, a key contributor to the run game. He was limited to five games and 95 snaps by a torn hamstring and blown-out knee.

Defensive line: Baltimore’s defensive front was dealt a big blow early when Derek Wolfe couldn’t shake a back injury and missed the entire season. He would never play another down in the NFL.

The rest of the front held up reasonably well, relatively speaking, with Calais Campbell missing two games and defensive tackle Brandon Williams sidelined four by a shoulder issue.

Linebacker: Starter L.J. Fort tore his ACL in August. Like Wolfe, it ended up being a career-ender for the veteran defender.

Secondary: The defensive backfield was another group decimated by injuries, starting with cornerback Marcus Peters being lost for the season with an ACL tear in training camp.

Additionally, part of the Peters’ replacement plan, Chris Westry, missed most of the year with a knee injury. Veteran Jimmy Smith missed multiple games with both ankle and neck injuries, and the starter opposite Peters, Marlon Humphrey, missed the final five games, all losses, with a torn pec.

At safety, starter DeShon Elliott was lost for the year and missed the final 11 games after also tearing his pec.

When it’s laid out, the devastation is clear. The Ravens dealt with injuries to starters at nearly every position group, many of them season-ending. It’s a minor miracle they sustained as long as they did, but similar to the present-day Lions, it’s a well-coached franchise, typically with tremendous depth and high standards. Next man up isn't just a phrase, it carries expectations.

The way injuries have affected the Lions has been far different. In fact, they’ve remained largely remained unscathed on one side of the ball.

The only time Jared Goff hasn’t been on the field is when he’s given way to backup Hendon Hooker in three blowouts. They’ve had a few minor concerns along the offensive line, but nothing requiring an IR stint. The running backs and tight ends have mostly been available, sans Sam LaPorta missing one game with a banged-up shoulder. And in the receiver room, the only loss has been Kalif Raymond, No. 4 on the depth chart, but still a tough blow on special teams as a former All-Pro returner.

No, where Detroit has been absolutely crushed is on defense.

Up front, they’ve suffered through the long-term losses of Aidan Hutchinson, Marcus Davenport, John Cominsky, Kyle Peko and rookie Mekhi Wingo. They're also currently dealing with some more short-term concerns with Josh Paschal, Levi Onwuzurike and DJ Reader. That could facilitate a bigger role for Brodric Martin, the second-year developmental player who was robbed of that development while on the shelf with a knee injury during the first half of this season.

In the next level, the linebackers have been hit equally as hard as the front. Derrick Barnes remains likely out for the year and Malcolm Rodriguez definitely is after tearing his ACL last week. Additionally, Alex Anzalone and Jalen Reeves-Maybin are currently on injured reserve, although there’s hope both can come back near the end of the regular season.

The secondary has been more fortunate, but not without issues. Emmanuel Moseley, the projected starter at the nickel, and No. 3 safety Ifeatu Melifonwu suffered long-term issues in camp. Moseley just got back and has yet to play a defensive snap, while Melifonwu remains out of action.

The starting five to open the year — Carlton Davis III, Terrion Arnold, Amik Robertson, Kerby Joseph and Brian Branch — have been more fortunate, with two not missing any time and the other three sitting out just one game apiece, assuming Davis returns to action this Thursday.

Rookie reserve Ennis Rakestraw did land on IR, but he’d only seen limited playing time through 12 weeks.

Comparatively, what the Lions are going through on defense stacks up against the 2021 Ravens and likely any other roster from the past decade. Not that it surprises anyone, they’re down at least four starters, at least a couple replacement starters, and several key backups entering the stretch run.

What remains surprising is how well they’ve held up after each blow, with the past six opponents averaging 13.8 points. But the relative durability of Detroit’s offense, when contrasting the two rosters, is a reminder of how much worse it could be and why Detroit's Super Bowl aspirations remain in play, even if weakened by their ongoing tribulations.
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It’s almost like you responded without reading

naw that never happens
 
From a Freep article behind a pay wall.

Lions roster (D-line and linebackers) at the start of the season (the players scratched off are not playing against the Packers):

Defensive tackles (4): Alim McNeill, DJ Reader, Levi Onwuzurike, Makhi Wingo.

Defensive ends (5): Aidan Hutchinson, Marcus Davenport, Josh Paschal, James Houston, John Cominsky.

Linebacker (6): Alex Anzalone, Jack Campbell, Derrick Barnes, Malcolm Rodriguez, Jalen Reeves-Maybin, Ben Niemann.

When you see it laid out like that on a big screen TV, it puts everything into perspective.
 
From a Freep article behind a pay wall.

Lions roster (D-line and linebackers) at the start of the season (the players scratched off are not playing against the Packers):

Defensive tackles (4): Alim McNeill, DJ Reader, Levi Onwuzurike, Makhi Wingo.

Defensive ends (5): Aidan Hutchinson, Marcus Davenport, Josh Paschal, James Houston, John Cominsky.

Linebacker (6): Alex Anzalone, Jack Campbell, Derrick Barnes, Malcolm Rodriguez, Jalen Reeves-Maybin, Ben Niemann.

When you see it laid out like that on a big screen TV, it puts everything into perspective.
As an aside, I'm not looking for excuses or anything like that. Line up and play with whoever is available to play. I think they will beat the Packers.
 
From a Freep article behind a pay wall.

Lions roster (D-line and linebackers) at the start of the season (the players scratched off are not playing against the Packers):

Defensive tackles (4): Alim McNeill, DJ Reader, Levi Onwuzurike, Makhi Wingo.

Defensive ends (5): Aidan Hutchinson, Marcus Davenport, Josh Paschal, James Houston, John Cominsky.

Linebacker (6): Alex Anzalone, Jack Campbell, Derrick Barnes, Malcolm Rodriguez, Jalen Reeves-Maybin, Ben Niemann.

When you see it laid out like that on a big screen TV, it puts everything into perspective.
As an aside, I'm not looking for excuses or anything like that. Line up and play with whoever is available to play. I think they will beat the Packers.

Yeah OK guy, but can they beat the Bills?
 
Carlton Davis III, Khalil Dorsey, and Alim McNeill all likely had season ending injuries today, per HC Dan Campbell.

That will make it 16 defensive players on IR. No other defense has more than 7.
 

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