Hasselback vs. the 34 Defense (1 Viewer)

[MLBrandow]

Just to compare hte flip side of the stats...

Hasselback against 34 Defenses

14/20 for 168, 1 / 1, 3sacks

23/42 for 224, 1 / 2, 1sack

19/31 for 233, 1 / 0, 1sack

21/25 for 226, 4 / 1, 1sack

27/50 for 349, 0 / 2, 3sacks

18/31 for 215, 1 / 0, 5sacks

23/41 for 333, 5 / 0, 6sacks

36/53 for 449, 2 / 2, 3sacks

TOT: 181/293 for 2197, 15 / 8, 23sacks

AVG: 23/37 for 275, 2 / 1, 3 sacks

link to Alexander's: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=223866

Someone had mentioned on another forum that Hass and the 'Hawks are 4-0 against the 34 this year, but I have to use the better part of my judgement to inform you that those teams were Dallas, Houston, and San Francisco twice--a combined 19-45....

Of course that tells the tale of their season. I'm trying to show a trend over their (Matt's and Shaun's) careers.

Historically, Hasselback comes up big and Alexander falls short.

And I just thought it was worth mentioning because everybody is talking about Alexander this week and no one is talking about Hasselback versus the suspect corners of Pittsburgh.

Also, the best offensive line in football can pass-block, too.

 

[jetpack]

Could you possibly post which teams had winning records out of those and which ones didn't? It's an interesting stat that I think would portray a more accurate picture if I could see which of all these performances were against strong teams and which were against creampuffs.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Please spell his name correctly. Thanks.

 

[falconeyed]

Please spell his name correctly. Thanks.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Please spell his name correctly. Thanks.

Sorry, but it really diminishes the credibility of something in my eyes.If someone is saying to me how awesome TErry Holt is, it really diminishes the points he has, because how much does he really know, if he doesn't even know the first thing about him....his name.

 

[MLBrandow]

Please spell his name correctly. Thanks.

You know, I never noticed it was Hasselbeck.

 

[Cookiemonster]

And the only debate in this thread is how to spell his f-ing name?

 

[Steelers4Life]

First, Pittsburgh doesn't have suspect corners, and they have 2 good (one very good) safeties. Ike Taylor has done a tremendous job all year as a shut-down corner - except on the first play of the Colts game. Offenses attack the secondary because the run defense is so dominant, but they certainly aren't "suspect." They're just realtively weaker than the front seven. Second, any good QB will have success against almost any secondary if he's allowed a lot of time to sit in the pocket. The 3-4 zone blitzing defense that Lebeau runs is predicated on confusing the QB with different looks and pressuring him with blitzes from unexpected players. That confusion tends to result in turnovers and a lot of stalled drives.I expect the Seahawks to try and run the ball, and I expect Hasselbeck to get rid of the ball quickly whenever it's possible. We'll see how good the Steelers' zone blitz defense is at doing what it was originally designed to do - stop the west coast offense.

 

[seahawk 17]

Hasselbeck will be the Super Bowl MVP. Tha's how good he is against a 3-4 defense.

 

[MLBrandow]

Hasselbeck will be the Super Bowl MVP. Tha's how good he is against a 3-4 defense.

Thanks, homer. Any other insightful analysis you'd like to share about Hass and Pitt's D?

 

[Cookiemonster]

Hasselbeck will be the Super Bowl MVP. Tha's how good he is against a 3-4 defense.

I saw two impressive stat lines there. I'm going to check who those games were against.Hass is good, so don't take this the wrong way.

Hass is not the best player on the Seattle offense, let alone the Seahawks as a team, let alone in the SB. I can name a few players on either team that I think are better than Hass. MVP? Doubt it. Everybody is saying that Seattle will be able to throw the ball if S.Alexander is effective on the ground. Running the ball will set up the passing game. Nobody is saying that the NFL MVP will be able to get going once Matt loosens up the defense. Nobody says throwing the ball will set up the running game.

 

[Sea Bass]

You are saying that because of his hairline, right?

 

[MLBrandow]

Hasselbeck will be the Super Bowl MVP.  Tha's how good he is against a 3-4 defense. 

I saw two impressive stat lines there. I'm going to check who those games were against.Hass is good, so don't take this the wrong way.

Hass is not the best player on the Seattle offense, let alone the Seahawks as a team, let alone in the SB. I can name a few players on either team that I think are better than Hass. MVP? Doubt it. Everybody is saying that Seattle will be able to throw the ball if S.Alexander is effective on the ground. Running the ball will set up the passing game. Nobody is saying that the NFL MVP will be able to get going once Matt loosens up the defense. Nobody says throwing the ball will set up the running game.

Actually, if you read the entire post, the statistics show that Hasselbeck, unlike other QBs like Peyton Manning, is historically very good against 3-4 defenses.Unlike his "NFL MVP RB" who is notoriously quiet.

And nobody is saying that Seattle will be able to throw if Alexander is able to run. It's the opposite. Seattle's offense is based on Pass to set up the run. This argument of yours makes no sense. You just make up stuff it sounds like.

It's great that you can name players that are better than Hasselbeck. But that doesn't change the fact that he's playing QB, and the stats show he'll be able to move the ball effectively on the Pittsburgh defense in spite of a stunted running game.

And for the record, I'm proud that you can name Shaun Alexander on the Seahawks' offense after reading that paragraph.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Hasselbeck will be the Super Bowl MVP.  Tha's how good he is against a 3-4 defense. 

I saw two impressive stat lines there. I'm going to check who those games were against.Hass is good, so don't take this the wrong way.

Hass is not the best player on the Seattle offense, let alone the Seahawks as a team, let alone in the SB. I can name a few players on either team that I think are better than Hass. MVP? Doubt it. Everybody is saying that Seattle will be able to throw the ball if S.Alexander is effective on the ground. Running the ball will set up the passing game. Nobody is saying that the NFL MVP will be able to get going once Matt loosens up the defense. Nobody says throwing the ball will set up the running game.

Actually, if you read the entire post, the statistics show that Hasselbeck, unlike other QBs like Peyton Manning, is historically very good against 3-4 defenses.So those are GOOD stats for a winning offense who's running game is struggling?

Unlike his "NFL MVP RB" who is notoriously quiet.

And nobody is saying that Seattle will be able to throw if Alexander is able to run. It's the opposite. Seattle's offense is based on Pass to set up the run. This argument of yours makes no sense. You just make up stuff it sounds like.

Me and almost every NFL analyist I've heard over the last 12 days.

It's great that you can name players that are better than Hasselbeck. But that doesn't change the fact that he's playing QB, and the stats show he'll be able to move the ball effectively on the Pittsburgh defense in spite of a stunted running game.

The stats said the same about Manning, among others.

And for the record, I'm proud that you can name Shaun Alexander on the Seahawks' offense after reading that paragraph.

I doubt the NFL MVP will go to an offensive lineman. That award is usually reserved for QBs and RBs. D.Jax is about the only other candidate, unless like Pitts last SB, a relatively obscure DB has two passes thrown directly to him.

After such a pleasant response, I think I just found a new 'ignore' friend. I'll leave your 'homer only' thread alone.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Just to compare hte flip side of the stats...

Hasselback against 34 Defenses

14/20 for 168, 1 / 1, 3sacks - HOUSTON

23/42 for 224, 1 / 2, 1sack - DALLAS

19/31 for 233, 1 / 0, 1sack - SAN FRANCISCO

21/25 for 226, 4 / 1, 1sack - SAN FRANCISCO

27/50 for 349, 0 / 2, 3sacks - NEW ENGLAND, 2004

18/31 for 215, 1 / 0, 5sacks - PITTSBURGH, 2003

23/41 for 333, 5 / 0, 6sacks - BALTIMORE, 2003

36/53 for 449, 2 / 2, 3sacks - SAN DIEGO, 2002

TOT: 181/293 for 2197, 15 / 8, 23sacks

AVG: 23/37 for 275, 2 / 1, 3 sacks

Upon further review, this set of games tells us virtually nothing at all. I now understand why the original poster didn't include the teams or years the games were against. He's probably faced a few other 3-4 teams in there, too.The first 4 games listed were against San Francisco (twice), Houston, and Dallas. Not even remotely comparable to the Steelers' defense, but hey, whatever.

The 5th game was against New England's defense last year. I'm not overly impressed by him completing barely over 50% of his passes for 7.0 yards per attempt and no TDs in a 10 point loss.

The 6th game was against the Steelers' 2003 defense, and that defense wasn't very good. Terrible against the pass.

The 7th game was against Baltimore in 2003. Very impressive, and I remember benching Hasselbeck for that week. Ugh.

And the 8th game was against the Chargers in 2002, and they had the 32nd ranked pass defense in the NFL.

 

[Irish]

Hasselbeck will be the Super Bowl MVP. Tha's how good he is against a 3-4 defense.

The SuperBowl MVP has come from the losing team only once or twice,but you're right it could happen.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Hasselbeck will be the Super Bowl MVP. Tha's how good he is against a 3-4 defense.

He might have a decent day tomorrow, he might not. The Steelers have pressured three QBs sitting behind offensive lines that allowed fewer sacks than the Seahawks in the past three weeks.But like my previous post showed, the 8 games listed mean virtually nothing.

 

[MLBrandow]

Just to compare hte flip side of the stats...

Hasselback against 34 Defenses

14/20 for 168, 1 / 1, 3sacks - HOUSTON

23/42 for 224, 1 / 2, 1sack - DALLAS

19/31 for 233, 1 / 0, 1sack - SAN FRANCISCO

21/25 for 226, 4 / 1, 1sack - SAN FRANCISCO

27/50 for 349, 0 / 2, 3sacks - NEW ENGLAND, 2004

18/31 for 215, 1 / 0, 5sacks - PITTSBURGH, 2003

23/41 for 333, 5 / 0, 6sacks - BALTIMORE, 2003

36/53 for 449, 2 / 2, 3sacks - SAN DIEGO, 2002

TOT: 181/293 for 2197, 15 / 8, 23sacks

AVG: 23/37 for 275, 2 / 1, 3 sacks

Upon further review, this set of games tells us virtually nothing at all. I now understand why the original poster didn't include the teams or years the games were against. He's probably faced a few other 3-4 teams in there, too.The first 4 games listed were against San Francisco (twice), Houston, and Dallas. Not even remotely comparable to the Steelers' defense, but hey, whatever.

The 5th game was against New England's defense last year. I'm not overly impressed by him completing barely over 50% of his passes for 7.0 yards per attempt and no TDs in a 10 point loss.

The 6th game was against the Steelers' 2003 defense, and that defense wasn't very good. Terrible against the pass.

The 7th game was against Baltimore in 2003. Very impressive, and I remember benching Hasselbeck for that week. Ugh.

And the 8th game was against the Chargers in 2002, and they had the 32nd ranked pass defense in the NFL.

http://www.superbowl.com/gamecenter/live/N...0060205_SEA@PIT

273, 1 / 1, 3 sacks.

totally off....