Have they put Elvis Dumervil on a milk carton yet? (1 Viewer)

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Has Dumervil had his snaps reduced from last year or something?

It's really hard to believe how pitiful the Denver DEs' sack numbers are considering how many points their offense is putting up.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I haven't noticed a significant reduction in playing time. he just doesn't seem to making any type of plays. he doesn't look awful like he would if he was playing injured or something, but he's just not making any type of impact.

 

[Buffaloes]

I have no idea where Denver's defense is going. It's a mess right now. They have been ineffective in the 4-3 and the 3-4 and have shown almost no ability to get to the passer.

 

[T Bell]

A DE on a team that can't stop the run or pass isn't going to do much statistically, no matter how good he is. That Denver defense is about as bad as its offense is good. It reminds me of the Chiefs circa 5 years ago.

 

[Pick]

His spotlight thread hits on this. I think a big factor was that Denver rotates their d-ends but that the other guys weren't healthy last year. Now they are and so Dumervil doesn't get near the snaps he was getting before. I don't know if that's how it's panning out but that was the theory going into this year.

 

[pretender]

Has Dumervil had his snaps reduced from last year or something? It's really hard to believe how pitiful the Denver DEs' sack numbers are considering how many points their offense is putting up.

I saw he had one sack yesterday that I caught on the redzone!

 

[corpcow]

Any thoughts on Dumervil's value going forward? Last year he was generally seen as a DL2 and now he's not even in the top 60 DL in Jene or Tony's early rankings...

With the injury and a disappointing year behind him, is there a chance he will bounce back next year? Worth stashing in dynasty leagues, or should we give up on him entirely? Will any shakeup in Denver have a (positive) impact on him?

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Any thoughts on Dumervil's value going forward? Last year he was generally seen as a DL2 and now he's not even in the top 60 DL in Jene or Tony's early rankings...With the injury and a disappointing year behind him, is there a chance he will bounce back next year? Worth stashing in dynasty leagues, or should we give up on him entirely? Will any shakeup in Denver have a (positive) impact on him?

Mike Nolan is the new defensive coordinator for Denver and he runs a 3-4 defense. Considering Dumervil is only about 260 pounds or so, his only chance will be as a 3-4 OLB and I don't know if he has the skill set to play there. There is no way he could play DE in a 3-4 at his size. I have to add that Nolan played a lot of 4-3 in SF and it is possible they could remain a 4-3 in Denver, at least initially, due to their personnel. This is why patience at this time of year is an absolute must. If they do play a 4-3, he could have some value if his play improves to where it was before last year. I will add that if this happens and Dumervil starts off well, I would be looking to sell high because I personally think it's a matter of time before they go to a 3-4, if not right away.Dumervil was very disappointing last year and even before the Nolan hiring, I had initially ranked Dumervil in the mid 40's. He regressed badly last year. If you are in a deeper league, I think you have to hold for the time being.

 

[corpcow]

Any thoughts on Dumervil's value going forward? Last year he was generally seen as a DL2 and now he's not even in the top 60 DL in Jene or Tony's early rankings...With the injury and a disappointing year behind him, is there a chance he will bounce back next year? Worth stashing in dynasty leagues, or should we give up on him entirely? Will any shakeup in Denver have a (positive) impact on him?

Mike Nolan is the new defensive coordinator for Denver and he runs a 3-4 defense. Considering Dumervil is only about 260 pounds or so, his only chance will be as a 3-4 OLB and I don't know if he has the skill set to play there. There is no way he could play DE in a 3-4 at his size. I have to add that Nolan played a lot of 4-3 in SF and it is possible they could remain a 4-3 in Denver, at least initially, due to their personnel. This is why patience at this time of year is an absolute must. If they do play a 4-3, he could have some value if his play improves to where it was before last year. I will add that if this happens and Dumervil starts off well, I would be looking to sell high because I personally think it's a matter of time before they go to a 3-4, if not right away.Dumervil was very disappointing last year and even before the Nolan hiring, I had initially ranked Dumervil in the mid 40's. He regressed badly last year. If you are in a deeper league, I think you have to hold for the time being.

Thanks for the insight. Unfortunately, Obviously, we saw a huge regression in terms of his stats, but just wondering if there was something in his play that you saw change, etc. I didn't get to see many Denver games, but in the few I saw he was still putting pressure on. It seems like maybe we should hope for a trade then?On the patience front, i'm just trying to understand if patience is indeed what we need here... I.e., for those Seth Godin fans, is this a dip or a dead end? Was 2008 an anomaly, or were the 2 yrs before that the anomaly?

 

[Jene Bramel]

If you're looking for a possible light at the end of the tunnel, it could be that Denver started using a lot of three man fronts in their nickel package by midseason (about the time Dumervil said his hand and finger issues were better). Dumervil was already a Dwight Freeney like player in that the bulk of his value came in passing situations. He may become a nickel pass rush specialist under Nolan, who had been using a lot of 4 man nickel fronts in San Francisco.

Still, it's highly unlikely that Dumervil becomes a two way threat under Nolan. He's a long shot to carve out a Marques Douglas type niche. 20-30 solos and 6-10 sacks are probably the best case scenario, with only a slight chance for more than that.

 

[corpcow]

Link:

The Denver Post reports Broncos DE Elvis Dumervil may be moved to outside linebacker if the Broncos decide to use a 3-4 defensive alignment.

The Huddle's Take: Dumervil said he would need to work on his coverage skills, but the move might also help free him up to more effectively rush the passer. It's certainly something to consider when looking at Dumervil for your IDP team.

Assuming he gets reclassified to LB, this hurts his value, right?

 

[T Bell]

Link:

The Denver Post reports Broncos DE Elvis Dumervil may be moved to outside linebacker if the Broncos decide to use a 3-4 defensive alignment.

The Huddle's Take: Dumervil said he would need to work on his coverage skills, but the move might also help free him up to more effectively rush the passer. It's certainly something to consider when looking at Dumervil for your IDP team.

Assuming he gets reclassified to LB, this hurts his value, right?

 

[corpcow]

What are the best case scenarios for Dumervil this year? Should I hold on to him if he's cheap, try to unload his contract, or cut ways now?

Is a trade likely? Could he emerge as a Harrison/Woodley kind of player on the edge, making enough plays on passing downs + tackle opportunities to emerge as an LB3/4 or better? (He's similar in size to both, though obviously scheme and playmaking ability weigh in heavily here too)

 

[Jene Bramel]

What are the best case scenarios for Dumervil this year? Should I hold on to him if he's cheap, try to unload his contract, or cut ways now? Is a trade likely? Could he emerge as a Harrison/Woodley kind of player on the edge, making enough plays on passing downs + tackle opportunities to emerge as an LB3/4 or better? (He's similar in size to both, though obviously scheme and playmaking ability weigh in heavily here too)

Best case scenario is that the Mike Nolan decides that the Broncos don't have the personnel to run a 3-4 base, moves Dumervil to back the RDE in a 4-3 and Dumervil plays like he did two seasons ago.That's not happening.Next best case scenario is that Dumervil becomes effective in a part time pass rushing role and manages 25-30 tackles to go with double digit sacks. I don't believe he can be an effective every-down 3-4 OLB and don't see Marques Douglas like value from him as a 3-4 end.