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Have you (will you) alter your plans based on shootings/terror attacks (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
In fairness, I think these people carrying are primarily about protecting themselves and their possessions.
lombardi
Footballguy
Our local theaters, (both Regal and Epic) have started searching bags when you come into the theater. They said for safety, basically looking for weapons. My wife asked "and if I refuse?" The guy told her they would politely ask her to leave her bag in the car. She said "and if I refuse that?", they told her they would regrettably refund her money and not permit her into the theater.
However, this isn't stopping people form conceal carrying. They're not going to start frisking people going into theaters. I guess they coudl eventually get metal detectors but I doubt it, you're going to have that 16 year old making minimum wage wanding people and doing searches of people with implants and other implanted metal?
I just thought it was a ridiculous show for publication relation/liability. I live in WNC, a quarter of the theater or more were probably carrying concealed.
johnnycakes
Footballguy
No, but I am more cognizant of situations. My wife (and children are Jewish), and during High Holidays, there are a lot of police on the premises (about 4 cops for 400 people). I am not sure, but I do not feel the churches in the same area have the same amount of security. We were in France last year, and my wife insisted on going to the old Jewish ghetto...gotta say, I don't remember one touristy thing about it, since I was constantly looking over my back and keeping an eye on the kids.
What I am curious about are the conceal/carry people who bring guns with them outside of the home (for non-hunting purposes). Honestly asking, have there been terrorist acts thwarted by Joe Citizen who had a gun on their person? I would think (and maybe I am wrong), that bringing a gun into a dark, crowded theatre would result in more innocents dying than actually getting the terrorist/nut job.
What I am curious about are the conceal/carry people who bring guns with them outside of the home (for non-hunting purposes). Honestly asking, have there been terrorist acts thwarted by Joe Citizen who had a gun on their person? I would think (and maybe I am wrong), that bringing a gun into a dark, crowded theatre would result in more innocents dying than actually getting the terrorist/nut job.
Scoresman
Footballguy
Seriously, I fear a potential crossfire situation with more people dying because Joe Citizen thinks he's Jack Bauer and starts opening fire.
Arizona Ron
Footballguy
Pick up any gun magazine/website and they always have articles where incidents were thwarted because someone was carrying - oddly enough, they never seem to be specific about the names, dates and locations.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Is this serious?
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
No. I work at a school so I'm pretty safe.
FUBAR
Footballguy
the guy playing combat golf is compensating for a lack of manhood.
If I were to carry it wouldn't be for show, and frankly most people have no business carrying weapons, open or concealed. One class isn't sufficient IMO to train a person to carry. But for those of us who do have adequate training, it's worth considering.
lombardi
Footballguy
I got a CCW earlier this year, my wife just went to file her paperwork today (completely coincidental, has had the appointment for weeks).
I did it to make buying easier and allow me to have gun in the car occasionally. I've never actually carried in public yet but as I'm getting more and more proficient with my weapon I'm considering it. I'm not really afraid walking around day to day. Where we live is more rural and I honestly think if that kind of thing happened here the perpetrators would face a whole lot more armed resistance than other parts of the country. However, I'm just feeling like I may have more of a responsibility to my family to be prepared in some situations, especially when heading somewhere less rural. Not just for terrorism but for crime as well.
I've been feeling increasingly upset about how we act during these events in our society. In all these events everyone is so absolutely dependent on authority to save them. I am not blaming victims for being victims, it's terrible what happened to them and they did nothing wrong at all. These violent thugs, whatever their motivation, are completely to blame. I'm not blaming people for not fighting back or doing something, it's a shocking situation and people were completely caught off guard. There isn't much you can do in the moment when someone walks in and starts firing automatic weapons at you. It's just horrible and I feel terrible for the victims and their families and friends.
Saying this, I am watching people afterwards, lined up outside the building, hands up, cowering, fearful. Herded around by the authorities like frightened children (I don't mean that as an insult, it's honestly what it looks like to me). I'm sure I would be afraid too, terrified actually. But this weak, helpless mentality bugs me. I remember watching after the Boston bombing as militarized police stomped into hundreds of innocent people's homes, guns raised, as they just stood aside and watched. It was like for those few hours we had no constitution or civil liberties. Those are the times when our civil liberties are most important. I'm not saying that was the time to stand your ground and do something stupid or dangerous. What I'm saying is how easily we gave our rights up and how nobody seemed to feel like it was a big deal. It wasn't even an issue when it was all said and done.
I don't think someone could have or should have stopped this attack. This isn't even about guns or gun control or less gun control. It's about our state of mind and expectations as a people. I just think we've lost something when we have drills to train our teachers and co-workers to hide and cower when facing fatal aggression. It reminds me of the 50's, teaching kids to crawl under their desks when the nuclear bombs start dropping. Fighting back isn't even considered. Hide and wait to be saved by authorities. That just rubs me the wrong way. One day in this country we may have a Beslan school type event, I pray we don't but it's probably more likely than not. When that day comes we're going to realize how much we're playing into the hands of these animals.
I really don't know. Like everyone else I'm probably just a little raw right now. I hate to sound like I'm blaming the victims or saying they're in some way responsible, i REALLY REALLY don't mean to say that and I hope it's not coming across like that. THere is nothing to be done for people who are suprised by barbaric violence like this. I'm just saying for me, for myself and my family, we're going to have a different mind set. I don't wanna be hero and am not looking for a fight. I'm sure I would be unbelievably scared if I was ever caught in a situation like this. That's if I was LUCKY enough to survive the first few minutes when it's hard for anyone to do anything but escape and take cover. But if I ever am I hope I'm looking for an opportunity to take action and help or fight as opposed to finding a spot to lie down and hope I don't get killed while someone comes and saves me.
I did it to make buying easier and allow me to have gun in the car occasionally. I've never actually carried in public yet but as I'm getting more and more proficient with my weapon I'm considering it. I'm not really afraid walking around day to day. Where we live is more rural and I honestly think if that kind of thing happened here the perpetrators would face a whole lot more armed resistance than other parts of the country. However, I'm just feeling like I may have more of a responsibility to my family to be prepared in some situations, especially when heading somewhere less rural. Not just for terrorism but for crime as well.
I've been feeling increasingly upset about how we act during these events in our society. In all these events everyone is so absolutely dependent on authority to save them. I am not blaming victims for being victims, it's terrible what happened to them and they did nothing wrong at all. These violent thugs, whatever their motivation, are completely to blame. I'm not blaming people for not fighting back or doing something, it's a shocking situation and people were completely caught off guard. There isn't much you can do in the moment when someone walks in and starts firing automatic weapons at you. It's just horrible and I feel terrible for the victims and their families and friends.
Saying this, I am watching people afterwards, lined up outside the building, hands up, cowering, fearful. Herded around by the authorities like frightened children (I don't mean that as an insult, it's honestly what it looks like to me). I'm sure I would be afraid too, terrified actually. But this weak, helpless mentality bugs me. I remember watching after the Boston bombing as militarized police stomped into hundreds of innocent people's homes, guns raised, as they just stood aside and watched. It was like for those few hours we had no constitution or civil liberties. Those are the times when our civil liberties are most important. I'm not saying that was the time to stand your ground and do something stupid or dangerous. What I'm saying is how easily we gave our rights up and how nobody seemed to feel like it was a big deal. It wasn't even an issue when it was all said and done.
I don't think someone could have or should have stopped this attack. This isn't even about guns or gun control or less gun control. It's about our state of mind and expectations as a people. I just think we've lost something when we have drills to train our teachers and co-workers to hide and cower when facing fatal aggression. It reminds me of the 50's, teaching kids to crawl under their desks when the nuclear bombs start dropping. Fighting back isn't even considered. Hide and wait to be saved by authorities. That just rubs me the wrong way. One day in this country we may have a Beslan school type event, I pray we don't but it's probably more likely than not. When that day comes we're going to realize how much we're playing into the hands of these animals.
I really don't know. Like everyone else I'm probably just a little raw right now. I hate to sound like I'm blaming the victims or saying they're in some way responsible, i REALLY REALLY don't mean to say that and I hope it's not coming across like that. THere is nothing to be done for people who are suprised by barbaric violence like this. I'm just saying for me, for myself and my family, we're going to have a different mind set. I don't wanna be hero and am not looking for a fight. I'm sure I would be unbelievably scared if I was ever caught in a situation like this. That's if I was LUCKY enough to survive the first few minutes when it's hard for anyone to do anything but escape and take cover. But if I ever am I hope I'm looking for an opportunity to take action and help or fight as opposed to finding a spot to lie down and hope I don't get killed while someone comes and saves me.
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AnonymousBob
Footballguy
lombardi
Footballguy
Yes
http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/12-times-mass-shootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/
I'm not saying it's one way. There are problems with people getting too gung ho as well. But if a lunatic walks into a place your working or watching a movie and some CCW guy you work with but never knew carried pulls out his pistol your first thought isn't going to be "what's that idiot doing". You're going to pray his aim is true.
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
The chances of being killed in a mass shooting like this are almost nil. I worry about being able to smell the dryer sheets cooking in the clothes dryer when I'm sitting in the living room. I worry about ingesting those tiny little pieces of teflon coming off the george foreman grill grates. I worry about choking on the exhaust coming out of a 40 year old school bus when I'm out for a run. I worry about the ingredients of the brown sauce at my favorite chinese restaurant. I worry about pressing a smart phone to my head every day. I worry about the tar fumes coming from the roofers down the street.
There are hundreds if not thousands of things going on in your every day life that are more dangerous than the 1 in a billion chance you'll be involved in a mass shooting or terror attack. We only worry about terrorism because it dominates the news when it happens. CNN (breaking news!) and the rest kick in to high gear. It's all over the internet. It dominates this place when it happens. Will CNN ever have breaking news for weeks at a time devoted to cell phone radiation? Devoted to m.s.g.? Devoted to the toxic nature of Bounce dryer sheets? Of course not. That's boring. Nobody would watch. But a crazy guy(s) with a gun shooting up dozens of people and we all watch, read and debate for hours and hours and hours.
There are hundreds if not thousands of things going on in your every day life that are more dangerous than the 1 in a billion chance you'll be involved in a mass shooting or terror attack. We only worry about terrorism because it dominates the news when it happens. CNN (breaking news!) and the rest kick in to high gear. It's all over the internet. It dominates this place when it happens. Will CNN ever have breaking news for weeks at a time devoted to cell phone radiation? Devoted to m.s.g.? Devoted to the toxic nature of Bounce dryer sheets? Of course not. That's boring. Nobody would watch. But a crazy guy(s) with a gun shooting up dozens of people and we all watch, read and debate for hours and hours and hours.
ATC1
Footballguy
I don't see any point in open carry other then to say look at me. Anyone with proper training will know when to use deadly force and when to just get to safety. You should not pull out your gun in all shooting scenarios.
There will be an increased number of people that will be getting their CCP because of the threat of mass shootings and terrorist threats. I sure hope they take the responsibility seriously. With an increase of those carrying the number of those with a CCP doing something stupid will only go up naturally. I hope it proves to be more helpful.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Wait...you like having a CCW because you don't want the cops to order you around after a tragedy?
lombardi
Footballguy
You should work for MSNBC, you could write their headlines.
No, I got a CCW because it gives me more flexibility for purchasing firearms in my state AND I want to have the freedom to arm myself whenever I feel like it's necessarily which I honestly haven't done much since I got it. Although I have been considering carrying it around because of a heightened sense of responsibility. Not because I'm afraid of a terrorist attack and certainly not because I want to "defend the homestead".
As a separate point, I have a hard time being ordered around by anyone in a potentially fatal situation. I'd like control over my own actions and be responsible for myself and my own family. I also think it's something more people SHOULD feel but don't. It has nothing to do with my CCW.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
lombardi
Footballguy
I'm also not saying if in this situation I would pull out my gun and say no. I would comply because i wouldn't want to make a crazy situation worse or put myself and my family in mortal danger to make a point.
What I'm saying is that we should be having discussion after the fact about why these actions are inappropriate. How our freedoms are eroding and how the next time it happens we need to find a better way.
What I'm saying is that we should be having discussion after the fact about why these actions are inappropriate. How our freedoms are eroding and how the next time it happens we need to find a better way.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
So what really bugs you is that immediately after a mass shooting or terrorist act the authorities bend the 4th Amendment a bit in the name of safety?
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Police: "Sir, may we search your house?"
lombardi: "you can keep walking."
lombardi: "you can keep walking."
lombardi
Footballguy
Yeah, that really bugs me. Not as much as people getting shot up by terrorists bugs me though. Collecting my phone calls and emails, stripping away first amend rights, infringing on 2nd amendment rights. All these things bug me. I actually believe you can feel all these things at once and they're not mutually exclusive. Call me old fashioned.
lombardi
Footballguy
What's wrong with that? I got a 200 year old document that says I have that right.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Quite a few folk in here don't seem to have a firm grasp of reality and mathematical probabilities.
FUBAR
Footballguy
agreed, though we could probably debate what constitutes proper training for a while.
The right circumstances where a person should respond with their weapon is much more limited than most people will think.
(Editted, I completely F'd up that sentence the first time)
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Haven't read the thread.
Not ever.
Not ever.
Jobber
Footballguy
I bet most of the victims agreed with you up until the point where one of these aholes put a bullet in their chest.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
My neighbor got hit from a chunk of ice falling off the Grace Building on 42nd Street (across from Bryant Park - that one with the sloping facade.) That was ten years ago, completely ####ed her life up. She was a successful writer, now she can't even concentrate for more than 10 minutes.
Should we stop walking by buildings in the spring time?
Should we stop walking by buildings in the spring time?
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
ATC1
Footballguy
No, but you should be more aware of walking under buildings where ice maybe potentially falling off.
FUBAR
Footballguy
watch out for lightning too.
The odds of becoming a lightning victim in the U.S. in any one year is 1 in 700,000. The odds of being struck in your lifetime is 1 in 3,000
kevzilla
Footballguy
No, just ram a shotgun down your pants, so you can break those terrorist ice chunks into manageable pieces. Do I have to do ALL the thinking around here?
Scoresman
Footballguy
Personally, I'll be conceal carrying a flamethrower to melt that ice before it can make anyone a victim. #### yeah, 'Merica!
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I think we have a name for people walking down the streets of Manhattan while looking up...
boots11234
Footballguy
This is me. Have CCW. Never carried, just went to range often. Will now carry whenever I go someplace. Will not go to Mall of America. Not because of terrorists but because that place is awful, massive crowds, terrible parking and both physically and mentally exhausting shopping there.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
A thread like this seems pointless but then someone inevitably provides some quality amusement.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
This is me too. Never carried, just posed in the mirror with my 9mm because I look like a badass. Now I don't leave the house without my piece. Not because of terrorism -- we've got wild turkeys everywhere. Last week I saw 5 of them on someone's front lawn. I pulled over, picked out the plumpest one and blasted that mother####er. Took it home, plucked it, gutted it, threw it at my wife and said here, roast this, #####.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
GunGuys: What sort of firearm would you recommend for defending me and my family against urban, falling ice?
boots11234
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Protect your family by moving them somewhere warm.
ATC1
Footballguy
Nothing. Just stand under the falling ice and scream "here I am come get me you SOB". Or you can stay home and lock your doors because Queen Elsa will hunt you down.
ATC1
Footballguy
9mm. [SIZE=10.5pt]Amateur. That job calls for a full automatic assault rifle with pistol grips and 100 round magazines. [/SIZE]Thunderlips
Footballguy
As a charter student of "Mac" McDonalds PROJECT: BADASS.....I was taught early on to:
1) Hone your body to the razors edge
2) Learn several hand to hand fighting techniques
3) Always enter a room and scan for potential weapons to use against bad guys.
4) Always give people ocular patdowns.
This along with my studies of RexKwanDo allow me to feel safe in pubic settings.
1) Hone your body to the razors edge
2) Learn several hand to hand fighting techniques
3) Always enter a room and scan for potential weapons to use against bad guys.
4) Always give people ocular patdowns.
This along with my studies of RexKwanDo allow me to feel safe in pubic settings.
siffoin
Footballguy
I think people fantasize about being a hero, and secretly hope they find themselves in a "situation.
I'm guessing if the SHTF and you're in a movie theater or mall...and you're the good guy shooting it out with the bad guys and the cops come in and you're holding a gun they are going to kill you and ask questions later. At first you'll probably be linked with the bad guys too. And after your family, house, belongings, and financial records are investigated perhaps the true story will come out. But your lasting legacy will be that of the bad guy who shot up a movie theater because THE truth will be underreported.
For disclosure: I'm not anti-gun. I own a handgun (glock), 2 rifles and a shotgun. And I do open carry (with the clip removed) whenever I'm in the backcountry because of the weirdos I've come across.
I'm guessing if the SHTF and you're in a movie theater or mall...and you're the good guy shooting it out with the bad guys and the cops come in and you're holding a gun they are going to kill you and ask questions later. At first you'll probably be linked with the bad guys too. And after your family, house, belongings, and financial records are investigated perhaps the true story will come out. But your lasting legacy will be that of the bad guy who shot up a movie theater because THE truth will be underreported.
For disclosure: I'm not anti-gun. I own a handgun (glock), 2 rifles and a shotgun. And I do open carry (with the clip removed) whenever I'm in the backcountry because of the weirdos I've come across.
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MattFancy
Footballguy
You think anyone wants a roundhouse kick to the face with these bad boys on? Forget about it!
