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Hawk = BOD (1 Viewer)
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Katzenmoyer wasn't a top-5 pick.
Is that really your only argument here?
pretty weak.
Is that really your only argument here?
pretty weak.
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trader jake
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you're better than that lhucks
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awesome analysis. please let me know which other Big 10 players you hate for no reason.
See any of their test scores directed at general IQ.
One of the draft magazines had an article on this very topic. I cannot recall which one. They did some digging, as stat and draftniks are prone to do from time to time, and found some interesting dynamics between a LB; his overall intelligence and sustained success at the NFL level.
Katzenmoyer could not count to 21 if he was naked.
One of the draft magazines had an article on this very topic. I cannot recall which one. They did some digging, as stat and draftniks are prone to do from time to time, and found some interesting dynamics between a LB; his overall intelligence and sustained success at the NFL level.
Katzenmoyer could not count to 21 if he was naked.
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Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
I'd agree that Hawk is very overrated and will likely not play to the level a first round pick should play to.
He is very stiff in the way he moves and that'll really catch up with him at the pro level, especially for an outside backer. However, I really like his teammate, Bobby Carpenter, as I see him as being the opposite of AJ. I see Carpenter being the better pro than Hawk.
He is very stiff in the way he moves and that'll really catch up with him at the pro level, especially for an outside backer. However, I really like his teammate, Bobby Carpenter, as I see him as being the opposite of AJ. I see Carpenter being the better pro than Hawk.
since I'm willing to give LHUCKS the benefit of the doubt here, maybe he'll be kind enough to answer a few questions for us:
#1 Where do you think AJ Hawk should be drafted?
#2 What are some of the main reasons you think he'll fail to live up to expectations?
#3 Which linebacker(s) in this draft are better than him?
Thanks very much in advance. Look forward to reading your objective, well thought out, and informed responses.
#1 Where do you think AJ Hawk should be drafted?
#2 What are some of the main reasons you think he'll fail to live up to expectations?
#3 Which linebacker(s) in this draft are better than him?
Thanks very much in advance. Look forward to reading your objective, well thought out, and informed responses.
SoFresh&SoClean
Footballguy
Honestly, I'd say he might be least likely to bust out of the supposed top10 picks outside of D'Brick.
apart from Bush, Hawk is the safest pick in this draft.also, you didn't answer any of my questions.
a small school LB going top 5? doubtful. concerns about strength of competition would likely hold him back. has absolutely nothing to do with his color though...not sure why you even want to bring race into this discussion.Hawk is a phenomenal athlete, who was immensely productive while playing on one of the best defenses in the country. He also has impeccable character and work ethic and never missed a single practice or game while at Ohio State.
Seriously...what's not to like? He's a much better prospect than Katzenmoyer was.
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
Brace for impact. This thread is about turn into a
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trader jake
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lhucks: ***official*** racebaiter of FBG's
seriously, is this shtick of late?
seriously, is this shtick of late?
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Wasn't Katzenmoyer a pretty solid prospect?Obviously whatever Katzenmoyer did in the NFL has no relation to what Hawk is going to do in the NFL (see e.g., Ki-Jana Carter and Larry Johnson), but I always remembered Katzenmoyer in his junior or senior year being hyped as the next stud LB.
Hawk seems like a :lock: to be solid though.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
If hawk went to ANY Pac-10 school, would he be drafted top 5?
also, you didn't answer any of my questions....and I didn't answer your questions because I don't reply to condescending tones.
this entire thread is condescending. 
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Do they have LBs in the Pac-10?If hawk went to ANY Pac-10 school, would he be drafted top 5?
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Bruschi happened to go to my alma mater...and has been busy winning SuperBowls and leading arguably the best defensive team in the NFL of this decade.Next Question.Do they have LBs in the Pac-10?If hawk went to ANY Pac-10 school, would he be drafted top 5?
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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I thought Bruschi was white?Bruschi happened to go to my alma mater...and his been busy winning SuperBowls and leading arguing the best defensive team in the NFL of this decade.Next Question.Do they have LBs in the Pac-10?If hawk went to ANY Pac-10 school, would he be drafted top 5?
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
What are his major flaws?
What do you think about his consistent production and his top play against teams like Texas and Notre Dame?
Please explain the similarity ro Katzenmoyer, who left early, had a lack of intelligence and lacked great leadership skills. Compared to Hawk who played all four years, is extremly bright, watches film regularly and who took on a great leadership role and also embraced the leadership of one Anthony Schlegel.
What do you think about his consistent production and his top play against teams like Texas and Notre Dame?
Please explain the similarity ro Katzenmoyer, who left early, had a lack of intelligence and lacked great leadership skills. Compared to Hawk who played all four years, is extremly bright, watches film regularly and who took on a great leadership role and also embraced the leadership of one Anthony Schlegel.
Slider
Footballguy
Anyway more to the thread, Bush and Leinart have a 1st rd pick at RT, a 2nd and 4th rd pick at G and a C that will be an early pick next year. Plus a TE that will go early. They play a pro system with pro coaches. I wouldn't expect them to be as good when pros are on the other side.Bruschi played with a hand in the dirt while at ASU, did he not?
Yes but he had documented anger management (maturity) issues and was known to have not been blessed with much in terms of intelligence. Little more to playing LB than see; read; hit and repeat.
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Katzenmoyer was an awesome prospect , but he wasn't the athlete Hawk is and does not compare in terms of intelligence, instincts, and character. He also had a very disappointing junior season, which dropped him to the end of round 1.He had a pretty solid rookie campaign with 63 solos, 3.5 sacks, and an INT, but his football career was ended by a serious neck injury.
good article about the questions that surrounded him before the 1999 NFL draft here: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_...223/ai_54245993
hawk is the real deal...
imo, ernie sims & d'qwell jackson are LBs in this class with best shot to out-produce, this season and in future (contingent of course on opportunity, where they land)...
if you could get odds on hawk being a bust, they would be pretty long... & i still don't think i would want them...
i did think aaron's questions are legit... when you offer a carnival funhouse mirror take on a serious prospect, it can't come completely as a surprise when you are asked to support the contrarian position?
imo, ernie sims & d'qwell jackson are LBs in this class with best shot to out-produce, this season and in future (contingent of course on opportunity, where they land)...
if you could get odds on hawk being a bust, they would be pretty long... & i still don't think i would want them...
i did think aaron's questions are legit... when you offer a carnival funhouse mirror take on a serious prospect, it can't come completely as a surprise when you are asked to support the contrarian position?
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please back up your statement with something other than "the Big 10 sucks". That shtick is so played and really has no business in the Shark Pool.huh??this entire thread is condescending.
To the Big 10 sucks thing, Ohio St. played better against Texas than USC did. Their D kept Mr. Young in check Hawk played great.To the Teddy B being a great LB, did he play DE in college, of course he went to your school so you should know, so their still aren't any linebackers in the Pac 10.Are there any other non Big10 homer, non-Great White Hype sheep in the house?
The only reason the Pac 10 isn't overrated is because everyone already knows they suck. USC is a great team they beat the pants off of everyone and they played but they weren't the best team in the Nation.
Lastly Katz got injured which was pointed out and he actually played well before that happend so really saying he is the next Katz(meaning a bad linebacker) is a bad argument because Katz wasn't bad he just had to retire.
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
I guess you missed the Texas game and the Notre Dame game as well. Hawk lived up to the bill in those game from what I can remember. He stuffs the run, moves sideline to sideline and blitz well. Look, I hate the Buckeyes, but you gotta give the guy his props as he's been one of the top LBs in the country on one of the best defenses in the country the last two years.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I can't start a Hawk is overrated thread now??Are the two of you related or have you been pimping Hawk in your IDP rankings?please back up your statement with something other than "the Big 10 sucks". That shtick is so played and really has no business in the Shark Pool.huh??this entire thread is condescending.
What do I need to know here?
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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
You can't piss in the Shark Pool. You know that.I can't start a Hawk is overrated thread now??Are the two of you related or have you been pimping Hawk in your IDP rankings?please back up your statement with something other than "the Big 10 sucks". That shtick is so played and really has no business in the Shark Pool.huh??this entire thread is condescending.
What do I need to know here?
you didn't criticize you said, he is a bust see Katz.Katz was a bust because of injury, there is no real comparison between them other than they are white and went to OSU. Bobby Carpenter is white and went to OSU why can't he be Katz at least he has an injury history.Just calling it like I see it...I'm not insulting anyone here and I'm not being condescending here either. You're asking the wrong person.It's mazing how you can't criticize a player on this board without being accused of having "your time of the month."
LHUCKS
Footballguy
For my money he looked very average in those games which is partially why I think he should go in the late first/early second.I don't view him as the impact player that everybody else seems to.I guess you missed the Texas game and the Notre Dame game as well. Hawk lived up to the bill in those game from what I can remember. He stuffs the run, moves sideline to sideline and blitz well. Look, I hate the Buckeyes, but you gotta give the guy his props as he's been one of the top LBs in the country on one of the best defenses in the country the last two years.
Bush/Leinar/Davis...these guys are impact players. Hawk is a solid starter, who may never see a Pro Bowl.
please list even a single reason why you think that.also, why do you think Katzenmoyer is a better comparison for Hawk than someone like Chris Spielman?
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I'm criticizing a player here...where am I pissing? Please clarify with specific quotes.You can't piss in the Shark Pool. You know that.I can't start a Hawk is overrated thread now??Are the two of you related or have you been pimping Hawk in your IDP rankings?please back up your statement with something other than "the Big 10 sucks". That shtick is so played and really has no business in the Shark Pool.huh??this entire thread is condescending.
What do I need to know here?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
This is precisely the garbage that I hoped that I would not be seeing anymore after moving from a different board. It'd be one thing if there was some analysis to backup a statement that every expert disagrees with, but this is clearly just trolling.
Watching Hawk makes me think of Brian Urlacher, and not because they're both white. They're both smart players that identify plays right away. They both have tremendous sideline to sideline speed. They both seem to be involved in just about every play. They both are intense. They both have good technique.
I'd be very surprised if Hawk does not end up as a Pro-Bowler soon.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
See above post.Additonally, I think Katz is a good comparison because I think he was hyped for many of the same reasons Hawk is getting hyped...Hawk is the great white hype from "The Ohio State University"(which hasn't done **** in quite some time now)
I'm not buying the hype. I'm basing my decision on what I've seen from Hawk against non-Big 10 teams, in other words teams like Texas that actually have an elment of NFL caliber speed.
The Big10 doesn't have that element of NFL speed that the SEC/Pac10/Big12 do.
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maybe LHUCKS can tell us what he disagrees with in these reports:
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingr...olb/ajhawk.html
http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/expert/brandt/lb
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9387664this dude is way more Spielman than Katzenmoyer.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I can't make an observation and wait for other opinions before giving my own?What the hell is wrong with everybody? I said a top 5 player is going to be a bust and all of a sudden I'm pissing in the shark pool??
This is precisely the garbage that I hoped that I would not be seeing anymore after moving from a different board. It'd be one thing if there was some analysis to backup a statement that every expert disagrees with, but this is clearly just trolling.
I think I'm done here today.
Good day gents.
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