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[SmallDawgsBITE]

Titans DT Albert Haynesworth was suspended five games without pay for intentionally stepping on Cowboys C Andre Gurode's head.

Commissioner Roger Goodell's first major act will be well received around the league. Lost in the maelstrom about Haynesworth's act is that Haynesworth is Tennessee's best defensive player and one of the best defensive tackles in the league. A shaky defensive line just got a lot worse. Keep playing opponents of Tennessee.

Source Rotoworld

 

[Limp Ditka]

I hope the Titans go ahead and add a game, or two, or 6 to that suspension with their own discipline

 

[Will]

Wow! 5 games, that's a pretty big suspension right?

I am not arguing it's too long, just a bit surprised.

When was the last (non drug related) 5+ game suspension and what was it for, anyone know?

 

[enfuego]

HAYNESWORTH SUSPENDED FIVE GAMES

Titans head coach Jeff Fisher announced Monday that defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth would be suspended without pay for five games by the NFL for stomping on the head of Dallas center Andre Gurode.

''I felt that there needed to be some serious action taken from a disciplinary standpoing, and I believe what the league has done is adequate,'' Fisher said.

Fisher said Haynesworth remained apologetic for his actions in Sunday's game.

''I have to compliment the Cowboy organization on how they've handled this,'' Fisher said.

Fisher said the team would look at adding a defensive tackle to the roster in Haynesworth's absence.

 

[David Yudkin]

IMO, he got off easy. The Titans may well keep him out longer.

 

[baronson]

Wow! 5 games, that's a pretty big suspension right?

I am not arguing it's too long, just a bit surprised.

When was the last (non drug related) 5+ game suspension and what was it for, anyone know?

i think that's the problem. i hardly think this suspension should be on par with smoking pot. in fact, they're kind of the opposite. if smoking weed gets you 4 games, then this should get you disembowelled. and then suspended... for life.

 

[Couch Potato]

I hope he takes this time, and well beyond this time, to get psychological help. He also had an incident awhile back where he ran someone off the road with his truck. This is an angry man whose head clearly isn't right.

 

[Snotbubbles]

i think that's the problem. i hardly think this suspension should be on par with smoking pot. in fact, they're kind of the opposite. if smoking weed gets you 4 games, then this should get you disembowelled. and then suspended... for life.

Suspended for life is a bit extreme.You don't think it's odd that it seems almost accepted that when there is a pile-up people expect to be punched, kicked etc. I don't condone what he did, but you're talking about a violent game where the players on the field have violent intentions. I think his emotions got the best of him in this situation.

 

[baronson]

i think that's the problem. i hardly think this suspension should be on par with smoking pot. in fact, they're kind of the opposite. if smoking weed gets you 4 games, then this should get you disembowelled. and then suspended... for life.

Suspended for life is a bit extreme.You don't think it's odd that it seems almost accepted that when there is a pile-up people expect to be punched, kicked etc. I don't condone what he did, but you're talking about a violent game where the players on the field have violent intentions. I think his emotions got the best of him in this situation.

two very fair points. i was being a bit dramatic when i said suspended for life. my point was i don't think smoking joints and cleating a guy in the face should carry commensurate penalties.

 

[Bankerguy]

As a Cowboy fan, I am pleased with the suspension. I don't believe he deserved the year. Also, I hope there is NO civil action.

It's done....let's all move on.

 

[SickThing]

i think that's the problem. i hardly think this suspension should be on par with smoking pot. in fact, they're kind of the opposite. if smoking weed gets you 4 games, then this should get you disembowelled. and then suspended... for life.

Suspended for life is a bit extreme.You don't think it's odd that it seems almost accepted that when there is a pile-up people expect to be punched, kicked etc. I don't condone what he did, but you're talking about a violent game where the players on the field have violent intentions. I think his emotions got the best of him in this situation.

two very fair points. i was being a bit dramatic when i said suspended for life. my point was i don't think smoking joints and cleating a guy in the face should carry commensurate penalties.

I agree. I made this same point yesterday in another thread. I also stated elsewhere that I feel Fisher would be doing the right thing by admonishing a few games of suspension in addition to the NFL stance.

 

[Sclaffer]

It's ok to be emotional while playing the game. It's not ok to step on someone's head. EVER!

 

[Mark Wimer]

Edited topic to include n in Haynesworth. MW

 

[Will]

Wow! 5 games, that's a pretty big suspension right?

I am not arguing it's too long, just a bit surprised.

When was the last (non drug related) 5+ game suspension and what was it for, anyone know?

i think that's the problem. i hardly think this suspension should be on par with smoking pot. in fact, they're kind of the opposite. if smoking weed gets you 4 games, then this should get you disembowelled. and then suspended... for life.

Life seems a bit much, but that's just me...I am by no means condoning his actions, and FWIW, I'm a Cowboy fan, but with all the violence in football, it just seems like some people are getting just a little too angry/outraged about this. He's an idiot, no argument, but I've read accounts of what football was like with Deacon Jones and Conrad Dobler and some of those really tough old guys, and Romo used to to pull some pretty ugly stuff. By most accounts you will find guys grabbing each others junk and gouging eyes in loose ball/fumble pileups today all the time. Guys stepping on each others hands as they get up after a run...

I really have no point here, as usual, but I am just a little surprised that there was this much outrage over this. When I saw the clip I was angry and wanted someone to take him out hard, but I never expected 5 games or this much response. I guess it's a good sign that maybe we can stop some of the unneccesary stuff, but I am a little doubtful that it has much effect on the usual stuff in the pile and off camera.

 

[enfuego]

I hope he takes this time, and well beyond this time, to get psychological help. He also had an incident awhile back where he ran someone off the road with his truck. This is an angry man whose head clearly isn't right.

He clearly needs help...At least he knows he has done wrong and has taken the first steps in reparation with his statements: "What I feel like is I disgraced the game, disgraced my team and disgraced my last name," said Haynesworth. "When I was sitting in here in the locker room when the game was going on, I was looking at my phone, which has my kids on it. I don’t want them to have my last name and to think their Dad was a dirty player because I don’t play that way. I play with a lot of heart. What I did out there was disgusting. It doesn’t matter what the league does to me. The way I feel right now, you just can’t describe it."

 

[IndyHavoc]

Props to the NFL and Goddel (sp?). I'll add my voice in that I hope Haynesworth seeks out some rage control councilling. If Andre does pursue a civil suit, I'd be suprised if it was not successful.

 

[matuski]

I hope he takes this time, and well beyond this time, to get psychological help. He also had an incident awhile back where he ran someone off the road with his truck. This is an angry man whose head clearly isn't right.

He clearly needs help...At least he knows he has done wrong and has taken the first steps in reparation with his statements: "What I feel like is I disgraced the game, disgraced my team and disgraced my last name," said Haynesworth. "When I was sitting in here in the locker room when the game was going on, I was looking at my phone, which has my kids on it. I don’t want them to have my last name and to think their Dad was a dirty player because I don’t play that way. I play with a lot of heart. What I did out there was disgusting. It doesn’t matter what the league does to me. The way I feel right now, you just can’t describe it."

I am disagreeing here. He vehemently protested the refs actions cussing his ### off "bull****!" over and over again.I guess he didn't realize there was a perfect camera angle for the close-up. NOW he is sorry.

 

[Angry Cheesehead]

I hope he takes this time, and well beyond this time, to get psychological help. He also had an incident awhile back where he ran someone off the road with his truck. This is an angry man whose head clearly isn't right.

He clearly needs help...At least he knows he has done wrong and has taken the first steps in reparation with his statements: "What I feel like is I disgraced the game, disgraced my team and disgraced my last name," said Haynesworth. "When I was sitting in here in the locker room when the game was going on, I was looking at my phone, which has my kids on it. I don’t want them to have my last name and to think their Dad was a dirty player because I don’t play that way. I play with a lot of heart. What I did out there was disgusting. It doesn’t matter what the league does to me. The way I feel right now, you just can’t describe it."

I am disagreeing here. He vehemently protested the refs actions cussing his ### off "bull****!" over and over again.I guess he didn't realize there was a perfect camera angle for the close-up. NOW he is sorry.

Exactly.

 

[cracKer]

Wow! 5 games, that's a pretty big suspension right?I am not arguing it's too long, just a bit surprised.When was the last (non drug related) 5+ game suspension and what was it for, anyone know?

Gerard Warren was fined $35,000 during his rookie season for a hit on Mark Brunell. I remember that being worthy of a suspension but I'm not sure that he missed a game.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I think 5 games is a good punishment.

 

[Bri]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...5685&st=150

 

[wraith5]

The punishment fits the crime as far as the NFL goes. Good swift action so we can all move on.

 

[bigfeet_88]

Link

Before Monday, the longest suspension for on-field behavior was two games for Green Bay defensive lineman Charles Martin for throwing Chicago quarterback Jim McMahon to the ground during a game on Nov. 23, 1986. McMahon landed on his shoulder.

It's the first suspension since 2002 Rodney Harrison, then with San Diego, was suspended one game for hitting Oakland's Jerry Rice with his helmet. Earlier that season, Denver's Kenoy Kennedy was suspended for a game for a helmet-to-helmet hit on Chris Chambers of Miami.

 

[pinequick]

I don't think a Kermit-Washington-length suspension (rest of the season) would have been out of the question.

Anybody know what set him off--did Gurode try to chop him or something? (Not that anything merited that response, but *something* had to set him off, right?).

 

[cosmonaut]

Wow! 5 games, that's a pretty big suspension right?I am not arguing it's too long, just a bit surprised.When was the last (non drug related) 5+ game suspension and what was it for, anyone know?

Gerard Warren was fined $35,000 during his rookie season for a hit on Mark Brunell. I remember that being worthy of a suspension but I'm not sure that he missed a game.

5 games without pay.Looks like I saw that Haynesworth signed a 5 year/ $8.3 million deal.Assuming that cash is spread out evenly (probably isn't) and doesn't reflect any bonuses (probably doesn't), then my math as an approximation:8.3 million div by 5 yrs div by 16 games x 5 games = ~$518,750.00 in lost wages.

 

[SFBayDuck]

It's ok to be emotional while playing the game. It's not ok to step on someone's head. EVER!

[Christian Laettner]How about someone's chest?[/Christian Laettner]

 

[Jackal King]

I'm imagining even Johnny Cochran would turn down a request to handle his appeal.

 

[Wheelhouse]

It's ok to be emotional while playing the game. It's not ok to step on someone's head. EVER!

 

[shakeybarn]

Props to the NFL and Goddel (sp?). I'll add my voice in that I hope Haynesworth seeks out some rage control councilling. If Andre does pursue a civil suit, I'd be suprised if it was not successful.

Having seen it... it was "violent" in terms of wanting to really mess the guy up... it was a quick (yet mindless) pop. Guessing he wasn't trying nor thought it woulda cause so much damage. Guys throw harder punches into/under the face mask of opponents than was that 'stomp'. Cleats are dangerous and so forth, but if he wanted to REALLY injure him it coulda been easy. Vulnerability, vis-a-vis without a helmet) is what's playing into this.

 

[The_Hoser]

Suspended for life is a bit extreme.You don't think it's odd that it seems almost accepted that when there is a pile-up people expect to be punched, kicked etc. I don't condone what he did, but you're talking about a violent game where the players on the field have violent intentions. I think his emotions got the best of him in this situation.

Whether his emotions got the best of him is not the point. Haynesworth has proven himself unable to control his emotions in a game that mandates you do so, and that means -- just as I said about the NHL Bertuzzi incident and all similar incidents -- that the offender should be removed for life.My reasoning is simple -- let's say a similar situation arises and Haynesworth repeats his actions, this time doing more serious injury to the victim. What shield do the Titans or the NFL have against a civil lawsuit against them for allowing someone known as a violent offender back into the workplace? It seems like an awful lot of risk for very little reward.Believe me, I'm all for solid contact and hard hitting. Hell, I don't even like the way the NFL's nancying up the quarterback position. But this incident has absolutely nothing to do with football and everything to do with being able to act like a human being.

 

[shakeybarn]

Titans DT Albert Haynesworth was suspended five games without pay for intentionally stepping on Cowboys C Andre Gurode's head....

Keep playing opponents of Tennessee.

Oh my... and guess what...The Titans travel to Indianapolis.

Quentin Tarantino will make the trip with film crew to capture footage for Hostel Part Duex. Curious if Geneva Conventions will apply under the RCA Dome next Sunday.

Shame I own ZERO Colts.... maybe I should pick up Jim Sorgi, a la the Turner and Norwood play, and pick up some garbage time stats... be better than what Warner has gotten me!

 

[PatsWillWin]

Suspended for life is a bit extreme.You don't think it's odd that it seems almost accepted that when there is a pile-up people expect to be punched, kicked etc. I don't condone what he did, but you're talking about a violent game where the players on the field have violent intentions. I think his emotions got the best of him in this situation.

Whether his emotions got the best of him is not the point. Haynesworth has proven himself unable to control his emotions in a game that mandates you do so, and that means -- just as I said about the NHL Bertuzzi incident and all similar incidents -- that the offender should be removed for life.My reasoning is simple -- let's say a similar situation arises and Haynesworth repeats his actions, this time doing more serious injury to the victim. What shield do the Titans or the NFL have against a civil lawsuit against them for allowing someone known as a violent offender back into the workplace? It seems like an awful lot of risk for very little reward.Believe me, I'm all for solid contact and hard hitting. Hell, I don't even like the way the NFL's nancying up the quarterback position. But this incident has absolutely nothing to do with football and everything to do with being able to act like a human being.

I was as shocked and disgusted by what Haynesworth did as anyone, and I think banning for life is RIDICULOUS. The guy made a mistake. A dispicable, inexecusable, terrible, disgusting mistake. That's human nature, and while I do NOT think that the fact that he was playing football is an EXCUSE, I think we can agree that it is a violent game and that the people who are in uniform during a game are a lot different than they are when they're eating dinner with their kids.From what I've heard he has no kind of track record with this kind of thing, if it's a one time incident, he should take the penalty and be given another chance. If he does anything like this again, then I would think that a ban might be called for, but ONE TIME, I just can't see it.

 

[a_rackowski]

Suspended for life is a bit extreme.You don't think it's odd that it seems almost accepted that when there is a pile-up people expect to be punched, kicked etc. I don't condone what he did, but you're talking about a violent game where the players on the field have violent intentions. I think his emotions got the best of him in this situation.

Whether his emotions got the best of him is not the point. Haynesworth has proven himself unable to control his emotions in a game that mandates you do so, and that means -- just as I said about the NHL Bertuzzi incident and all similar incidents -- that the offender should be removed for life.My reasoning is simple -- let's say a similar situation arises and Haynesworth repeats his actions, this time doing more serious injury to the victim. What shield do the Titans or the NFL have against a civil lawsuit against them for allowing someone known as a violent offender back into the workplace? It seems like an awful lot of risk for very little reward.Believe me, I'm all for solid contact and hard hitting. Hell, I don't even like the way the NFL's nancying up the quarterback position. But this incident has absolutely nothing to do with football and everything to do with being able to act like a human being.

I was as shocked and disgusted by what Haynesworth did as anyone, and I think banning for life is RIDICULOUS. The guy made a mistake. A dispicable, inexecusable, terrible, disgusting mistake. That's human nature, and while I do NOT think that the fact that he was playing football is an EXCUSE, I think we can agree that it is a violent game and that the people who are in uniform during a game are a lot different than they are when they're eating dinner with their kids.From what I've heard he has no kind of track record with this kind of thing, if it's a one time incident, he should take the penalty and be given another chance. If he does anything like this again, then I would think that a ban might be called for, but ONE TIME, I just can't see it.

I always figure that if Leonard Little is still in the league then anyone can be.

 

[The_Hoser]

From what I've heard he has no kind of track record with this kind of thing, if it's a one time incident, he should take the penalty and be given another chance.

You might want to take a look at his track record again. It's not stomping on a guy's face after removing his helmet, but it's not being the Tooth Fairy, either.Tennessean link from 2003

 

[SickThing]

I think anything short of four games without pay wasn't enough, but life suspension too much. However he should be given warning that any more incidents will be deemed punishable by suspension for life.

NBC 5 in Dallas just said it will be only $191,000 in lost pay.

 

[BigRed]

Titans DT Albert Haynesworth was suspended five games without pay for intentionally stepping on Cowboys C Andre Gurode's head.

What a joke of a wrist-slap. Not that it's surprising.

Commissioner Roger Goodell's first major act will be well received around the league.

More shockers. Goodell = continuing Tagliaboob's tradition of playing footsies with players/the NFLPA. GB the fine NFL tradition of coddling the "stars" not The NFL is a joke. A very bad one.

 

[Kyoto Burger]

I'm glad Haynesworth apologized.

 

[enfuego]

I hope he takes this time, and well beyond this time, to get psychological help. He also had an incident awhile back where he ran someone off the road with his truck. This is an angry man whose head clearly isn't right.

He clearly needs help...At least he knows he has done wrong and has taken the first steps in reparation with his statements: "What I feel like is I disgraced the game, disgraced my team and disgraced my last name," said Haynesworth. "When I was sitting in here in the locker room when the game was going on, I was looking at my phone, which has my kids on it. I don’t want them to have my last name and to think their Dad was a dirty player because I don’t play that way. I play with a lot of heart. What I did out there was disgusting. It doesn’t matter what the league does to me. The way I feel right now, you just can’t describe it."

I am disagreeing here. He vehemently protested the refs actions cussing his ### off "bull****!" over and over again.I guess he didn't realize there was a perfect camera angle for the close-up. NOW he is sorry.

Listen very closely here. I am in NO way defending Haynesworth. I think what he did was vile, and undeniably CRUEL. However, there I do believe that the man was sorry for what he did...not because he was caught on tape, but because he KNEW he let his family down...his kids, his coach, and his team.

 

[Kyoto Burger]

Titans DT Albert Haynesworth was suspended five games without pay for intentionally stepping on Cowboys C Andre Gurode's head.

What a joke of a wrist-slap. Not that it's surprising.

Commissioner Roger Goodell's first major act will be well received around the league.

More shockers. Goodell = continuing Tagliaboob's tradition of playing footsies with players/the NFLPA. GB the fine NFL tradition of coddling the "stars" not The NFL is a joke. A very bad one.

You don't think 5 games is enough? Fine. But the biggest on field suspension in league history is not "a joke"

 

[cobalt_27]

I hope he takes this time, and well beyond this time, to get psychological help. He also had an incident awhile back where he ran someone off the road with his truck. This is an angry man whose head clearly isn't right.

He clearly needs help...At least he knows he has done wrong and has taken the first steps in reparation with his statements: "What I feel like is I disgraced the game, disgraced my team and disgraced my last name," said Haynesworth. "When I was sitting in here in the locker room when the game was going on, I was looking at my phone, which has my kids on it. I don’t want them to have my last name and to think their Dad was a dirty player because I don’t play that way. I play with a lot of heart. What I did out there was disgusting. It doesn’t matter what the league does to me. The way I feel right now, you just can’t describe it."

I am disagreeing here. He vehemently protested the refs actions cussing his ### off "bull****!" over and over again.I guess he didn't realize there was a perfect camera angle for the close-up. NOW he is sorry.

Listen very closely here. I am in NO way defending Haynesworth. I think what he did was vile, and undeniably CRUEL. However, there I do believe that the man was sorry for what he did...not because he was caught on tape, but because he KNEW he let his family down...his kids, his coach, and his team.

Good PR move by AH. But, I like to reflect more on the pattern of being a total Richard to other folks. Per the folks at ProFootballTalk.com:

As a rookie in 2002, Haynesworth started a training camp brawl by kicking center Justin Hartwig. The following season, Haynesworth started another practice field brouhaha by hitting tackle Matt Martin in the back of the head after the duo exchanged words. Coach Jeff Fisher deactivated Haynesworth for one game following the incident.

Earlier this year, Haynesworth was charged with reckless endangerment after being accused of trying to run a car off of the highway. The charges were later dropped.

Believe in his contrition all you want. I don't care what he says at this point. His actions--indeed, his history of actions--speak much louder than his words to me at this point.

 

[Kyoto Burger]

I hope he takes this time, and well beyond this time, to get psychological help. He also had an incident awhile back where he ran someone off the road with his truck. This is an angry man whose head clearly isn't right.

He clearly needs help...At least he knows he has done wrong and has taken the first steps in reparation with his statements: "What I feel like is I disgraced the game, disgraced my team and disgraced my last name," said Haynesworth. "When I was sitting in here in the locker room when the game was going on, I was looking at my phone, which has my kids on it. I don’t want them to have my last name and to think their Dad was a dirty player because I don’t play that way. I play with a lot of heart. What I did out there was disgusting. It doesn’t matter what the league does to me. The way I feel right now, you just can’t describe it."

I am disagreeing here. He vehemently protested the refs actions cussing his ### off "bull****!" over and over again.I guess he didn't realize there was a perfect camera angle for the close-up. NOW he is sorry.

Listen very closely here. I am in NO way defending Haynesworth. I think what he did was vile, and undeniably CRUEL. However, there I do believe that the man was sorry for what he did...not because he was caught on tape, but because he KNEW he let his family down...his kids, his coach, and his team.

Good PR move by AH. But, I like to reflect more on the pattern of being a total Richard to other folks. Per the folks at ProFootballTalk.com:

As a rookie in 2002, Haynesworth started a training camp brawl by kicking center Justin Hartwig. The following season, Haynesworth started another practice field brouhaha by hitting tackle Matt Martin in the back of the head after the duo exchanged words. Coach Jeff Fisher deactivated Haynesworth for one game following the incident.

Earlier this year, Haynesworth was charged with reckless endangerment after being accused of trying to run a car off of the highway. The charges were later dropped.

Believe in his contrition all you want. I don't care what he says at this point. His actions--indeed, his history of actions--speak much louder than his words to me at this point.

No doubt the dude needs help.

 

[cobalt_27]

I was as shocked and disgusted by what Haynesworth did as anyone, and I think banning for life is RIDICULOUS. The guy made a mistake.

Please. A mistake is forgetting to carry the 1 on a math problem. A mistake is forgetting what time your haircut appointment was. A mistake is dashing salt on your Cheerios instead of sugar. This was NOT A MISTAKE! This was a deliberate act, of which no mistake was made. He regrets his decision, maybe. But, that doesn't mean it's a mistake.Edited to add that, contrary to your post, he DOES have a track record of this sort of behavior. He's a tool. Five games is too few, but I can live with it.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I was as shocked and disgusted by what Haynesworth did as anyone, and I think banning for life is RIDICULOUS. The guy made a mistake.

Please. A mistake is forgetting to carry the 1 on a math problem. A mistake is forgetting what time your haircut appointment was. A mistake is dashing salt on your Cheerios instead of sugar. This was NOT A MISTAKE! This was a deliberate act, of which no mistake was made. He regrets his decision, maybe. But, that doesn't mean it's a mistake.Edited to add that, contrary to your post, he DOES have a track record of this sort of behavior. He's a tool. Five games is too few, but I can live with it.

Well, maybe I'm just not as good a person as you, but I've done things in life that I meant to do at the time and that after the fact knew was a mistake. We can argue semantics all you want, but to me this is relatively similar to getting into an argument with a guy at a bar and breaking a beet bottle over his face or something. Yeah, you meant to do it at the time, but after the guy is hurt and the adrenaline resides, you realize you made a big mistake.Like I said, if he has a HISTORY, that's one thing - but from what I've heard from ESPN and whatnot, he does not. If you have a link to something suggesting otherwise, I'd definately be interested in seeing that because it could obviously make a difference.

 

[Duke1948]

not to change the subject or anything but did anyone see the hit that was delivered to steve smith yesterday? that hit looked to me as if it was with intent to do harm.

it was away from the ball, i believe it was a running play to the other side of the field, but the DB went right at smith's knees and rolled him up.

by the way the punishment for haynesworth is not harse enough.

 

[Couch Potato]

More shockers. Goodell = continuing Tagliaboob's tradition of playing footsies with players/the NFLPA. GB the fine NFL tradition of coddling the "stars" not The NFL is a joke. A very bad one.

You don't think 5 games is enough? Fine. But the biggest on field suspension in league history is not "a joke"

Psst... Kyoto... I see you're pretty new here. Don't sweat it. Typical of BigRed, he doesn't like much of anything. Read enough of his posts and after awhile the negative and/or sarcastic theme becomes apparent. No big deal. We have all kinds here. That's just him being him.

 

[cobalt_27]

I was as shocked and disgusted by what Haynesworth did as anyone, and I think banning for life is RIDICULOUS. The guy made a mistake.

Please. A mistake is forgetting to carry the 1 on a math problem. A mistake is forgetting what time your haircut appointment was. A mistake is dashing salt on your Cheerios instead of sugar. This was NOT A MISTAKE! This was a deliberate act, of which no mistake was made. He regrets his decision, maybe. But, that doesn't mean it's a mistake.Edited to add that, contrary to your post, he DOES have a track record of this sort of behavior. He's a tool. Five games is too few, but I can live with it.

Well, maybe I'm just not as good a person as you, but I've done things in life that I meant to do at the time and that after the fact knew was a mistake. We can argue semantics all you want, but to me this is relatively similar to getting into an argument with a guy at a bar and breaking a beet bottle over his face or something. Yeah, you meant to do it at the time, but after the guy is hurt and the adrenaline resides, you realize you made a big mistake.Like I said, if he has a HISTORY, that's one thing - but from what I've heard from ESPN and whatnot, he does not. If you have a link to something suggesting otherwise, I'd definately be interested in seeing that because it could obviously make a difference.

Yeah, that's quite the "mistake."

 

[BigRed]

You don't think 5 games is enough? Fine. But the biggest on field suspension in league history is not "a joke"

"Yes" it "is." 5 games and an amount of $ that doesn't exactly put him in the poor house for that? Not a joke? Your assessment is a joke. (hey you'd make a great NFL commish)

 

[Utter Chaos]

The five game suspension will cost him $500,000. I think they should give that money to Gurode!

Link

He won't be paid while he serves the suspension, effective immediately. According to ESPN's Chris Mortensen, the penalty will cost him approximately $500,000, based on his $1.6 million salary this season.

 

[PatsWillWin]

You don't think 5 games is enough? Fine. But the biggest on field suspension in league history is not "a joke"

"Yes" it "is." 5 games and an amount of $ that doesn't exactly put him in the poor house for that? Not a joke? Your assessment is a joke. (hey you'd make a great NFL commish)

Wow. You certainly won me over.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I was as shocked and disgusted by what Haynesworth did as anyone, and I think banning for life is RIDICULOUS. The guy made a mistake.

Please. A mistake is forgetting to carry the 1 on a math problem. A mistake is forgetting what time your haircut appointment was. A mistake is dashing salt on your Cheerios instead of sugar. This was NOT A MISTAKE! This was a deliberate act, of which no mistake was made. He regrets his decision, maybe. But, that doesn't mean it's a mistake.Edited to add that, contrary to your post, he DOES have a track record of this sort of behavior. He's a tool. Five games is too few, but I can live with it.

Well, maybe I'm just not as good a person as you, but I've done things in life that I meant to do at the time and that after the fact knew was a mistake. We can argue semantics all you want, but to me this is relatively similar to getting into an argument with a guy at a bar and breaking a beet bottle over his face or something. Yeah, you meant to do it at the time, but after the guy is hurt and the adrenaline resides, you realize you made a big mistake.Like I said, if he has a HISTORY, that's one thing - but from what I've heard from ESPN and whatnot, he does not. If you have a link to something suggesting otherwise, I'd definately be interested in seeing that because it could obviously make a difference.

Yeah, that's quite the "mistake."

Do people have a problem with the word "mistake" in the context that I'm using it? Do you know the difference between an "error" and a "mistake"?Ever cheat on a girlfriend? Drive home after having a little too much to drink? Swear at your boss at work?

Moral mistakes in life? Hello? Anyone there?