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Players in the game are dropping out of the picture so he's able to be more and more bold. I don't mind that he's really coming out of his shell like this, and most of the time he's only grandiose like that when he's with Varys. They both know that neither of them are going to "go public" with their battle. I dunno, I like it.
I JUST finished the books last night and decided to go back and read all of the spoilers I passed on before.
I think the acting is ok, but the evil goatee thing is what ruins it.
At this point he's playing a slightly toned down version of the villain he played in Shanghai Knights. I liked his performance much better in season 1. The problem they have is it's tough to depict all his inner cunning, deceitfulness and subtlety on screen without cheesy voice overs or other mechanisms they've avoided so far.
I barely remember anything for 4 or 5. I really want to reread the entire series, but that would take me at least a year and I have too much other stuff I want to read.
Roughly 2/3 of the way through.
Not a fan of Gillen in this role either. Too bad, he was great in The Wire.His subtle scheming in the book seems hamfisted when you see it on the screen
Once there's an actual release date for winds of winter I plan to reread them all. We could do like a group read/discussion perhaps.
I thought the next book was A Prance with Fagons. A lot of Loras POV
Huh, I dig it. I thought he was meek but weaselly in the beginning when he had no overt political power and then grows bolder and bolder as the chaos starts whittling away at his opponents and increasing his own power. But really he only seems megalomaniacal when he's with Varys, but even among the rest of the people his increasing confidence is causing others to actually take him more seriously and it's affected some of his plans. There's cause and effect to his changes in demeanor, it's not like he out of the blue swapped into a new role. I think Gillen has done a great job with the transition, we'll see if his overt nature still dominates when he's away from King's Landing.
When book 4 had a formal release date (announced on Amazon even) it was pushed back a couple of times to the tune of like 2 years.But good luck with that.
I was going to get the audio books the second time around and I'd be down with the discussion
He's bold with people he knows he can be bold with and meeker with those whom he knows still could put his balls in a sling. He can be a big shot in front of Varys and Sansa....but he ain't going to be back sassing Joffrey or Tywin.....yet.mad sweeney said:
We might max out the spoiler tag quota on the board.Leeroy Jenkins said:
There are several problems with this idea/translation. For starters, he really is/was in love with Kat. Second, he is a noble, albeit from a minor house....NOT merchant class at all.
IIRC, he wasn't exactly a "House" house....but up jumped or something like that. Definitely not in the league of the Major Houses or Major Bannerman. I think the show has mentioned more than once how he is "below station" in regards to other people....and he has made his bones, not through the nobility chain...but as a merchant.
Not really, in a feudal society you were someone if you owned land. He wasn't a nothing - he was just one of the least influential nobles.
Yeah, really. You're just reiterating exactly what I said, he was the least of the Houses. The phrase "in a sense" means that it's "not exactly like". And note the capitalized Name in my post. My last sentence above doesn't mean he was common, it means that he was closest to common person than anyone else when you evaluate the wealth and power of all the Houses.
LittleFinger might be something to the small folk of the realm......but he's nothing to those Houses that are above him. It's said as much. The actions of the Houses in regards are as much. He jokes about it as much. His Name has no power.....but him as a man does.
I did change the title, and Tremblay changed it again to the current title. I have no idea why.We wont if you change the title
Pretty close but I don't think he wants to change Westeros into a Democracy or even and Oligarchy. He wants to be King. The more Chaos the better chance a low born noble has of rising by merit and taking the throne.Thunderlips said:
This is true regarding almost every Lord though. There are only a few Great Houses but even a House such as the Freys are considered well below the Great Houses. Littlefinger wouldn't have been raised with the Tullys if he was just a half step above common folk.Thunderlips said:
The Freys have an exceptionally useful piece of land that provides the only real place to cross the rivers. All trade in the realm goes through their Twins. They're nothing like the Baelish House, who is probably as low as the Reeds. Brienne was treated by others as a valuable member of another House even though Tarth is a near useless island. Being in a House carries weight, so yes he could be the lowest of the low, but if he's still in a House then he will get raised with the Tullys. It happened, so I am not sure how you can say he wouldn't.
The point is, that even as a relatively low ranking Lord his name still has some weight behind it. It wasn't Littlefinger the clever boy that convinced the great Hoster Tully to take him in due to what he accomplished in his preteen years. His name and rank got him that opportunity.
Where has anyone said otherwise? The observation was made that he resembles the idea that someone with no power can rise up and gain it. His house was the bottom of the totem pole, which is how he can be compared to the "common man" theme. You're not looking at the relativity of the statement. No one is saying he's the common man, they're saying he's as close to the common man ideal as it gets in the story.
First off, it was mentioned a few posts before that he wasn't born a noble and that his rise to power was being a merchant - which started this whole discussion. Secondly, the story of House Clegane, Bronn, Slynt, or Davos fits much more nicely into your common man ascension than a man who already has access to all the things that a noble has at birth. Littlefinger may be at the bottom of the totem pole but at least he started on it unlike the other 4 I mentioned.
It was mentioned and corrected and all the subsequent discussion went on after this fact. And none of the 4 you mentioned have a chance whatsoever to have an infinitesimally small bit of the power that LF has and wants to get. Those guys were all common men, so no they can't fit into the narrative of someone who was half step above a common man, because only nobles from the lowest of Houses can fit into that description.
Slynt was made Lord of Harrenhall and given a seat on the Small Council. You can't get much higher than that. It took The Hand of the King to knock him down.
What does that have to do with having the power anywhere near what LF has/is trying to get? Plus, Lord of Harrenhall? The cursed castle that gets given away to anyone as a token gift and that no one holds onto for very long? Slynt still doesn't come anywhere close to fitting the narrative that's been described. For one thing, he was a common man, not a noble who was half a step above common man, so he cannot, by definition, fit the narrative. You're just being obtuse.
I'm not the one that's got it wrong. The posts are all here within the last few hours. Read it yourself.
And most people care about their Houses and the future of their name, but LF doesn't seem to care about anything other than getting the power for himself. I don't recall him ever talking about the future of his Name or even any kind of legacy. It's all been about him and power within his own lifetime.
We all expect the pieces to fit together nicely at the end. Dany takes her seat as Queen of Westeros. 2 other Targaryans emerge so there are 3 riders for 3 dragons. The white walkers are repelled and the Starks are back at Winterfell.
I think there has to be acceptance....maybe not "wrapped up as nicely". An example in the book would be the North. The readers want the Starks back in charge. The characters in the books (as much as the reader might not like it) MIGHT accept the Boltons as the Wardens of the North. I don't think the books can end without resolution(by the characters) to the main conflicts that have been introduced.
