HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (3 Viewers)

[SeveredHorseHeads]

Shea going with Sansa makes no sense. Tyrion finding Shea in his father's bed is a huge part of that scene and I seriously doubt they are going to change that.

 

[Thunderlips]

Shea going with Sansa makes no sense. Tyrion finding Shea in his father's bed is a huge part of that scene and I seriously doubt they are going to change that.

Yeah. It's not like the show, after not pulling a half dozen other punches in the story, is going to pull one for a third tier Ho. She's going to get mad at Tyrion, pork Tywin and then get got.

 

[Thunderlips]

One thing I'm wondering about is how the adaptation is going to handle the fate of Shae. The TV series made her far more sympathetic than the novels. Do they end her story the same way as the novels?

I don't think TV series will have Tyrion kill Shae. My guess is they will have Tywin kill her (or order her killed).

For the most part, they have stayed pretty true to the central events in the book. I fully expect Tyrion to kill both Tywin and Shae.

Pretty true to central events, but Tyrion's character is whitewashed a bit on TV - character is much more grey in book. Tyrion killing Tywin is a "central event" but Tyrion killing Shae is not. Tywin killing Shae provides more justification for Tyrion killing Tywin, keeps with clearly having Tyrion as a "good guy" for TV viewers.

Maybe I am wrong, but I just can't see TV Tyrion killing Shae. I think Shae somehow escaping with Sansa is more likely than that.

That doesn't help Sansa's story as, IMO....her being basically isolated and alone with LittleFinger and her cousin in the Eyrie is an important part of her situation.

 

[parrot]

One thing I'm wondering about is how the adaptation is going to handle the fate of Shae. The TV series made her far more sympathetic than the novels. Do they end her story the same way as the novels?

I don't think TV series will have Tyrion kill Shae. My guess is they will have Tywin kill her (or order her killed).

For the most part, they have stayed pretty true to the central events in the book. I fully expect Tyrion to kill both Tywin and Shae.

Pretty true to central events, but Tyrion's character is whitewashed a bit on TV - character is much more grey in book. Tyrion killing Tywin is a "central event" but Tyrion killing Shae is not. Tywin killing Shae provides more justification for Tyrion killing Tywin, keeps with clearly having Tyrion as a "good guy" for TV viewers.

Maybe I am wrong, but I just can't see TV Tyrion killing Shae. I think Shae somehow escaping with Sansa is more likely than that.

I'm not so sure. I always kind of took that as a key moment for Tyrion as well, when he stopped being such a sucker for a pretty face.

You may be right, but I wouldn't like that change. I like grey Tyrion. For those who don't think Tyrion will kill Shae, will Shae still testify against him in his trial, or do they write that out too, since it really doesn't go anywhere?

 

[Sinn Fein]

I need to go back and re-watch last season, but i thought there was a scene or two when they were setting up Shae's betrayal this season.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Yes, in the books Shae doesn't care at all about Sansa. The show (early on) made Cersei and Catelyn more sympathetic as well. IIRC the show had Cersei say she lost a child of Robert's after it was born to help comfort Catelyn when Bran was in his coma - neither the scene nor Cersei having one of Robert's kids was ever in the novels.

The other one (which I was annoyed they watered down) was Catelyn ripping into Jon when he comes to say farewell to Bran before leaving for The Wall.

Wrong. When Cersei meets Ned in the godswood in Book I, she reveals that she did get pregnant by Robert once, but her and Jaimee found a guy to abort it.

In the show she said that the kid was born - not aborted.

Season 1, Episode 2, 9 minutes in.

 

[flysack]

One thing I'm wondering about is how the adaptation is going to handle the fate of Shae. The TV series made her far more sympathetic than the novels. Do they end her story the same way as the novels?

I don't think TV series will have Tyrion kill Shae. My guess is they will have Tywin kill her (or order her killed).

Agreed. Will be interesting how it's done.

Isn't killing Shae though a big part of what the character of Tyrion struggles with? Dunno, I don't see them straying so far from the story.

It made his tragedy all the more dramatic, but the same effect could be be served if Tywin orders her raped and killed, just like his former wife. The repetition of the offense is the important thing - Tywin robbing Tyrion of any happiness out of a misguided and awful blame for him killing his wife in birth. Tywin needs to screw Tyrion out of true love again, and Tyrion has to kill the mofo on a toilet for it.

 

[flysack]

Yes, in the books Shae doesn't care at all about Sansa. The show (early on) made Cersei and Catelyn more sympathetic as well. IIRC the show had Cersei say she lost a child of Robert's after it was born to help comfort Catelyn when Bran was in his coma - neither the scene nor Cersei having one of Robert's kids was ever in the novels.

The other one (which I was annoyed they watered down) was Catelyn ripping into Jon when he comes to say farewell to Bran before leaving for The Wall.

Wrong. When Cersei meets Ned in the godswood in Book I, she reveals that she did get pregnant by Robert once, but her and Jaimee found a guy to abort it.

In the show she said that the kid was born - not aborted.

Season 1, Episode 2, 9 minutes in.

Tomato, Tomaaaaato, questionably alive bloody fetus.

 

[flysack]

I need to go back and re-watch last season, but i thought there was a scene or two when they were setting up Shae's betrayal this season.

 

[dancer]

Shea going with Sansa makes no sense. Tyrion finding Shea in his father's bed is a huge part of that scene and I seriously doubt they are going to change that.

To clarify I don't think Shae will go with Sansa - just threw that out as a joke to express how unlikely I think it would be for them to keep same exact Shae storyline as book

If Shae were to betray Tyrion for money (as she did in the book) that would not be consistent with her TV character at all. (I also don't think Tywin having her in his bed is consistent with Tywin's TV character...)

They can go down a path where Shae betrays Tyrion in order to protect Sansa - say if Sansa life were threatened unless Shae cooperates - that would be something consistent with TV characters.

But without Tyrion's inner monologue and without more info on Tysha (which perhaps they will have?) does TV Tyrion have enough motivation to kill daddy? If Tywin killed Shae he certainly would.

Another possibility - Shae escapes with Tyrion and plays the role of Penny...

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

I don't think Shea betraying Tyrion for money is out of character. She's a whore.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Shea going with Sansa makes no sense. Tyrion finding Shea in his father's bed is a huge part of that scene and I seriously doubt they are going to change that.

To clarify I don't think Shae will go with Sansa - just threw that out as a joke to express how unlikely I think it would be for them to keep same exact Shae storyline as book

If Shae were to betray Tyrion for money (as she did in the book) that would not be consistent with her TV character at all. (I also don't think Tywin having her in his bed is consistent with Tywin's TV character...)

They can go down a path where Shae betrays Tyrion in order to protect Sansa - say if Sansa life were threatened unless Shae cooperates - that would be something consistent with TV characters.

But without Tyrion's inner monologue and without more info on Tysha (which perhaps they will have?) does TV Tyrion have enough motivation to kill daddy? If Tywin killed Shae he certainly would.

Another possibility - Shae escapes with Tyrion and plays the role of Penny...

I disagree - the only reason for Tyrion to kill Shea is because he feels betrayed. He is going to choke her with the chain. The only way that comes across well on screen is if the audience knows that she betrayed Tyrion for a better offer from Tywin. It will make the audience feel "good" when Tyrion chokes her, and shoots him. They'll understand his rational for killing them both by the time that scene gets here.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Yes, in the books Shae doesn't care at all about Sansa. The show (early on) made Cersei and Catelyn more sympathetic as well. IIRC the show had Cersei say she lost a child of Robert's after it was born to help comfort Catelyn when Bran was in his coma - neither the scene nor Cersei having one of Robert's kids was ever in the novels.

The other one (which I was annoyed they watered down) was Catelyn ripping into Jon when he comes to say farewell to Bran before leaving for The Wall.

Wrong. When Cersei meets Ned in the godswood in Book I, she reveals that she did get pregnant by Robert once, but her and Jaimee found a guy to abort it.

In the show she said that the kid was born - not aborted.

Season 1, Episode 2, 9 minutes in.

Tomato, Tomaaaaato, questionably alive bloody fetus.

Not really, in the books Robert doesn't even know Cersei got pregnant and she aborts the kid. In the show the son is born, dies of fever, and Cersei is crying about it to Catelyn. One story makes her seem a cold ##### while the other makes her appear like a mother who still gets upset over the loss and is consoling another grieving mother. C'mon - this is varsity thread.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Shea going with Sansa makes no sense. Tyrion finding Shea in his father's bed is a huge part of that scene and I seriously doubt they are going to change that.

To clarify I don't think Shae will go with Sansa - just threw that out as a joke to express how unlikely I think it would be for them to keep same exact Shae storyline as book

If Shae were to betray Tyrion for money (as she did in the book) that would not be consistent with her TV character at all. (I also don't think Tywin having her in his bed is consistent with Tywin's TV character...)

They can go down a path where Shae betrays Tyrion in order to protect Sansa - say if Sansa life were threatened unless Shae cooperates - that would be something consistent with TV characters.

But without Tyrion's inner monologue and without more info on Tysha (which perhaps they will have?) does TV Tyrion have enough motivation to kill daddy? If Tywin killed Shae he certainly would.

Another possibility - Shae escapes with Tyrion and plays the role of Penny...

I disagree - the only reason for Tyrion to kill Shea is because he feels betrayed. He is going to choke her with the chain. The only way that comes across well on screen is if the audience knows that she betrayed Tyrion for a better offer from Tywin. It will make the audience feel "good" when Tyrion chokes her, and shoots him. They'll understand his rational for killing them both by the time that scene gets here.

I haven't paid as much attention to the Shae/Tyrion dialog in the show - but in the books Tyrion loves Shae even though he knows it is stupid and he thinks/hopes/wishes that she loves him in return. Her betrayal was more than just a betrayal of a whore - it is a betrayal by someone he thinks he loves and who he thinks feels the same about him.

 

[strykerpks]

I just re-watched a few weeks ago. At the end of season 3, Varys offers Shae a bag full of diamonds/gold etc and tells her to go away to across the Narrow Sea because her presence can/will bring Tyrion down. She admits she loves him and throws the bag back at Varys. She says if she is to go, she wants to hear it directly from him.

 

[thecatch]

I don't think Shea betraying Tyrion for money is out of character. She's a whore.

She turned down a ton of money from varys to get lost last year.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

1st 5 episodes:

"Two Swords"

"The Lion and The Rose"

"Breaker of Chains"

"Oathbreaker"

"First of his Name"

Wedding/Reception could be the 2nd or 5th episode. Pretty sure Joffey was the "First of his Name"

Wedding is episode 2. It was grrm's episode. Tywin bites it episode 9 or 10. Storm of swords is over this season. Whether lady stone heart is the last scene or not is the question. I think she is the cliffhanger.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Yes, in the books Shae doesn't care at all about Sansa. The show (early on) made Cersei and Catelyn more sympathetic as well. IIRC the show had Cersei say she lost a child of Robert's after it was born to help comfort Catelyn when Bran was in his coma - neither the scene nor Cersei having one of Robert's kids was ever in the novels.

The other one (which I was annoyed they watered down) was Catelyn ripping into Jon when he comes to say farewell to Bran before leaving for The Wall.

Wrong. When Cersei meets Ned in the godswood in Book I, she reveals that she did get pregnant by Robert once, but her and Jaimee found a guy to abort it.

In the show she said that the kid was born - not aborted.

Season 1, Episode 2, 9 minutes in.

Tomato, Tomaaaaato, questionably alive bloody fetus.

Not really, in the books Robert doesn't even know Cersei got pregnant and she aborts the kid. In the show the son is born, dies of fever, and Cersei is crying about it to Catelyn. One story makes her seem a cold ##### while the other makes her appear like a mother who still gets upset over the loss and is consoling another grieving mother. C'mon - this is varsity thread.

Didn't she do this more than once?

 

[sn0mm1s]

Yes, in the books Shae doesn't care at all about Sansa. The show (early on) made Cersei and Catelyn more sympathetic as well. IIRC the show had Cersei say she lost a child of Robert's after it was born to help comfort Catelyn when Bran was in his coma - neither the scene nor Cersei having one of Robert's kids was ever in the novels.

The other one (which I was annoyed they watered down) was Catelyn ripping into Jon when he comes to say farewell to Bran before leaving for The Wall.

Wrong. When Cersei meets Ned in the godswood in Book I, she reveals that she did get pregnant by Robert once, but her and Jaimee found a guy to abort it.

In the show she said that the kid was born - not aborted.

Season 1, Episode 2, 9 minutes in.

Tomato, Tomaaaaato, questionably alive bloody fetus.

Not really, in the books Robert doesn't even know Cersei got pregnant and she aborts the kid. In the show the son is born, dies of fever, and Cersei is crying about it to Catelyn. One story makes her seem a cold ##### while the other makes her appear like a mother who still gets upset over the loss and is consoling another grieving mother. C'mon - this is varsity thread.

Didn't she do this more than once?

Only once in the books (that we know of).

 

[dancer]

Shea going with Sansa makes no sense. Tyrion finding Shea in his father's bed is a huge part of that scene and I seriously doubt they are going to change that.

To clarify I don't think Shae will go with Sansa - just threw that out as a joke to express how unlikely I think it would be for them to keep same exact Shae storyline as book

If Shae were to betray Tyrion for money (as she did in the book) that would not be consistent with her TV character at all. (I also don't think Tywin having her in his bed is consistent with Tywin's TV character...)

They can go down a path where Shae betrays Tyrion in order to protect Sansa - say if Sansa life were threatened unless Shae cooperates - that would be something consistent with TV characters.

But without Tyrion's inner monologue and without more info on Tysha (which perhaps they will have?) does TV Tyrion have enough motivation to kill daddy? If Tywin killed Shae he certainly would.

Another possibility - Shae escapes with Tyrion and plays the role of Penny...

I disagree - the only reason for Tyrion to kill Shea is because he feels betrayed. He is going to choke her with the chain. The only way that comes across well on screen is if the audience knows that she betrayed Tyrion for a better offer from Tywin. It will make the audience feel "good" when Tyrion chokes her, and shoots him. They'll understand his rational for killing them both by the time that scene gets here.

I haven't paid as much attention to the Shae/Tyrion dialog in the show - but in the books Tyrion loves Shae even though he knows it is stupid and he thinks/hopes/wishes that she loves him in return. Her betrayal was more than just a betrayal of a whore - it is a betrayal by someone he thinks he loves and who he thinks feels the same about him.

Exactly. That worked in the books. But in the show, the Shae they created does feel the same about him, else she would have taken Varys' offer. For them to now have her betray him for money wouldn't make sense. They can make it appear to Tyrion as a betrayal for money (so maybe you can get the same result as the books) but it would have to involve something else (such as a threat to her, or Tyrion, or Sansa).

 

[flysack]

I just re-watched a few weeks ago. At the end of season 3, Varys offers Shae a bag full of diamonds/gold etc and tells her to go away to across the Narrow Sea because her presence can/will bring Tyrion down. She admits she loves him and throws the bag back at Varys. She says if she is to go, she wants to hear it directly from him.

This is what I'm talking about. I would be shocked if Shae ends up in Tywin's bed. Yet Tyrion has been warning her over and over that his father will kill her. Tywin has Shae killed (and perhaps raped first) while Tyrion is in the dungeons, and Tyrion kills Tywin for it - especially since Jaimee will reveal what really happened to former wife.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Well, they can write something into the show that pushed shae towards testifying agsinst him and banging Tywin though still.

 

[Rick James]

I can't imagine them changing Shae's betrayal. That was a huge deal in the books. I'm not a purist, but I'd be miffed if they did change it.

 

[Usual21]

Would like to start reading the books from where Season 3 left off. Is that right at the beginning of book 4 or still in book 3?

 

[sn0mm1s]

I can't imagine them changing Shae's betrayal. That was a huge deal in the books. I'm not a purist, but I'd be miffed if they did change it.

I couldn't imagine them killing the Tickler differently than the books (since that scene is probably my favorite scene in the entire series) but Jaqen ending up killing him in Harrenhal.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Would like to start reading the books from where Season 3 left off. Is that right at the beginning of book 4 or still in book 3?

Still in book 3.

 

[Usual21]

Would like to start reading the books from where Season 3 left off. Is that right at the beginning of book 4 or still in book 3?

Still in book 3.

Any chance you'd know where in book 3?

 

[strykerpks]

Would like to start reading the books from where Season 3 left off. Is that right at the beginning of book 4 or still in book 3?

Still in book 3.

Any chance you'd know where in book 3?

IIRC the Red Wedding is about 2/3 of the way through. Probably best to find the last Catelyn chapter and go from there.

 

[dancer]

Would like to start reading the books from where Season 3 left off. Is that right at the beginning of book 4 or still in book 3?

Still in book 3.

Any chance you'd know where in book 3?

IIRC the Red Wedding is about 2/3 of the way through. Probably best to find the last Catelyn chapter and go from there.

It is really not that simple though. Red Wedding is chapter 52 of 82. But Tyrion welcoming Oberyn is way back in chapter 39, and that hasn't happened in show yet.

The best thing really is if you want to read the books, start at beginning of book 1 and read the whole thing, as you would miss out on things otherwise. If you don't want to do that, I guess you can start in chapter 39 and skip the stuff you already saw on TV when you get to it if you want.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Would like to start reading the books from where Season 3 left off. Is that right at the beginning of book 4 or still in book 3?

Still in book 3.

Any chance you'd know where in book 3?

IIRC the Red Wedding is about 2/3 of the way through. Probably best to find the last Catelyn chapter and go from there.

just bookmarked it this morning, but cant remember page. in the 700s of the trade paperback I think.

there is leeway on where you want to start too. I put it at the end of the ayra chapter as the hound hits her over the head, since I wanted to reread some kings landing reaction to the wedding.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Would like to start reading the books from where Season 3 left off. Is that right at the beginning of book 4 or still in book 3?

Still in book 3.

Any chance you'd know where in book 3?

IIRC the Red Wedding is about 2/3 of the way through. Probably best to find the last Catelyn chapter and go from there.

It is really not that simple though. Red Wedding is chapter 52 of 82. But Tyrion welcoming Oberyn is way back in chapter 39, and that hasn't happened in show yet.

The best thing really is if you want to read the books, start at beginning of book 1 and read the whole thing, as you would miss out on things otherwise. If you don't want to do that, I guess you can start in chapter 39 and skip the stuff you already saw on TV when you get to it if you want.

good point about it being out of order at this point too.

 

[Thunderlips]

Would like to start reading the books from where Season 3 left off. Is that right at the beginning of book 4 or still in book 3?

Still in book 3.

Any chance you'd know where in book 3?

IIRC the Red Wedding is about 2/3 of the way through. Probably best to find the last Catelyn chapter and go from there.

It is really not that simple though. Red Wedding is chapter 52 of 82. But Tyrion welcoming Oberyn is way back in chapter 39, and that hasn't happened in show yet.

The best thing really is if you want to read the books, start at beginning of book 1 and read the whole thing, as you would miss out on things otherwise. If you don't want to do that, I guess you can start in chapter 39 and skip the stuff you already saw on TV when you get to it if you want.

You kind of don't need to. The first two seasons are actually pretty in line with the books. They don't really skip much from the first two.

 

[Clifford]

Would like to start reading the books from where Season 3 left off. Is that right at the beginning of book 4 or still in book 3?

Still in book 3.

Any chance you'd know where in book 3?

IIRC the Red Wedding is about 2/3 of the way through. Probably best to find the last Catelyn chapter and go from there.

just bookmarked it this morning, but cant remember page. in the 700s of the trade paperback I think.

there is leeway on where you want to start too. I put it at the end of the ayra chapter as the hound hits her over the head, since I wanted to reread some kings landing reaction to the wedding.

If you have not read any of the books definitely start with 1st book. They go quick anyway.

 

[dancer]

Would like to start reading the books from where Season 3 left off. Is that right at the beginning of book 4 or still in book 3?

Still in book 3.

Any chance you'd know where in book 3?

IIRC the Red Wedding is about 2/3 of the way through. Probably best to find the last Catelyn chapter and go from there.

It is really not that simple though. Red Wedding is chapter 52 of 82. But Tyrion welcoming Oberyn is way back in chapter 39, and that hasn't happened in show yet.

The best thing really is if you want to read the books, start at beginning of book 1 and read the whole thing, as you would miss out on things otherwise. If you don't want to do that, I guess you can start in chapter 39 and skip the stuff you already saw on TV when you get to it if you want.

You kind of don't need to. The first two seasons are actually pretty in line with the books. They don't really skip much from the first two.

For someone who has read all the books and seen all the TV shows, yeah, not really that different in the grand scheme.

But there are characters in the books that don't exist in the TV show, there are characters in the TV show that don't exist in the books, there are characters that are alive in one medium and dead in the other.

The more I think about it, the more I think if I watched first 3 seasons then started reading just where that leaves off, that would be a worse experience then either just watching TV or reading books from start. You might spoil the TV experience by doing this without getting the in-depth storyline benefit you get from the books if you start at the beginning. If you try to understand everything in the books without having read the first 2, then you will be confused because you don't have all the info. If you don't try to understand everything and just go with it, OK, but then you are missing out on some of the story that makes the books great.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Would like to start reading the books from where Season 3 left off. Is that right at the beginning of book 4 or still in book 3?

Still in book 3.

Any chance you'd know where in book 3?

IIRC the Red Wedding is about 2/3 of the way through. Probably best to find the last Catelyn chapter and go from there.

It is really not that simple though. Red Wedding is chapter 52 of 82. But Tyrion welcoming Oberyn is way back in chapter 39, and that hasn't happened in show yet.

The best thing really is if you want to read the books, start at beginning of book 1 and read the whole thing, as you would miss out on things otherwise. If you don't want to do that, I guess you can start in chapter 39 and skip the stuff you already saw on TV when you get to it if you want.

You kind of don't need to. The first two seasons are actually pretty in line with the books. They don't really skip much from the first two.

For someone who has read all the books and seen all the TV shows, yeah, not really that different in the grand scheme.

But there are characters in the books that don't exist in the TV show, there are characters in the TV show that don't exist in the books, there are characters that are alive in one medium and dead in the other.

The more I think about it, the more I think if I watched first 3 seasons then started reading just where that leaves off, that would be a worse experience then either just watching TV or reading books from start. You might spoil the TV experience by doing this without getting the in-depth storyline benefit you get from the books if you start at the beginning. If you try to understand everything in the books without having read the first 2, then you will be confused because you don't have all the info. If you don't try to understand everything and just go with it, OK, but then you are missing out on some of the story that makes the books great.

Agreed. Because of the differences between book and show, you're going to be doubly lost starting in the middle of the 3rd book.

For instance:

Spoiler

You won't have a clue who Jeyne Westerling and her family is since she's not in the show. She was replaced by an entirely different character. And of course, the outcome was completely different.

 

[rascal]

Didn't Robb's wife live in the book?

 

[Andrew74]

Didn't Robb's wife live in the book?

I am pretty sure she did.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Would like to start reading the books from where Season 3 left off. Is that right at the beginning of book 4 or still in book 3?

Still in book 3.

Any chance you'd know where in book 3?

IIRC the Red Wedding is about 2/3 of the way through. Probably best to find the last Catelyn chapter and go from there.

just bookmarked it this morning, but cant remember page. in the 700s of the trade paperback I think.there is leeway on where you want to start too. I put it at the end of the ayra chapter as the hound hits her over the head, since I wanted to reread some kings landing reaction to the wedding.

If you have not read any of the books definitely start with 1st book. They go quick anyway.

I have- just usually do a quick reread of material before a season starts up.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Didn't Robb's wife live in the book?

She did, but given that I think GRRM wrote the Red Wedding episode for TV - I would hazard a guess she does not play a big part of the story going forward...

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Didn't Robb's wife live in the book?

She did, but given that I think GRRM wrote the Red Wedding episode for TV - I would hazard a guess she does not play a big part of the story going forward...

I think he wrote the bear and the maiden fair last year, but what he wrote got edited and divided into two episodes. This year I think he wrote episode 2, which should be the wedding.

 

[rascal]

Didn't Robb's wife live in the book?

She did, but given that I think GRRM wrote the Red Wedding episode for TV - I would hazard a guess she does not play a big part of the story going forward...

Ah, I was wondering about that. A book spoiler!!!

 

[flysack]

Didn't Robb's wife live in the book?

I am pretty sure she did.

She stayed at Riverrun in the book. She also wasn't pregnant.

 

[Rustoleum]

Didn't Robb's wife live in the book?

I am pretty sure she did.

She stayed at Riverrun in the book. She also wasn't pregnant.

Wasn't her mom taking steps to make sure she stayed that way?

 

[flysack]

Didn't Robb's wife live in the book?

I am pretty sure she did.

She stayed at Riverrun in the book. She also wasn't pregnant.

Wasn't her mom taking steps to make sure she stayed that way?

Don't remember that. Maybe.

ETA: either way, TV or book, it's clear Martin wants Stark/Winterfell succession to move to Brandon or Rickten (sp). I'd say Rickten comes back at some point and becomes lord of Winterfell, with Brandon doing his greenseer thing.

 

[Thunderlips]

Didn't Robb's wife live in the book?

I am pretty sure she did.

She stayed at Riverrun in the book. She also wasn't pregnant.

Wasn't her mom taking steps to make sure she stayed that way?

Don't remember that. Maybe.

ETA: either way, TV or book, it's clear Martin wants Stark/Winterfell succession to move to Brandon or Rickten (sp). I'd say Rickten comes back at some point and becomes lord of Winterfell, with Brandon doing his greenseer thing.

IIRC, When Jamie went to lead the seige of Riverrun against the Blackfish, he stopped by the Westerling lands and met Jayne and her mother. The word around the campfire though (i.e. the various Song of Ice and Fire sites)...based on some of Martin's wording and Jamies decription of the "Jayne" he met was that the girl he met wasn't Jayne, but someone her mother was passing off as Jayne. The theory was that Jayne is being hidden by her mother because she's with child.

Of course another word around the campfire is that since Martin wrote The Red Wedding episode and gutted Jayne...he's subtley telling the book reader that no future Little Lord of Winterfell will have sprung from Rob's loins.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Didn't Robb's wife live in the book?

I am pretty sure she did.

She stayed at Riverrun in the book. She also wasn't pregnant.

Wasn't her mom taking steps to make sure she stayed that way?

That was implied - her mother seemed to be in communication with Tywin Lannister throughout the whole process since she expected Jaime to reward her with what Tywin had promised.

 

[Kraft...]

Didn't Robb's wife live in the book?

I am pretty sure she did.

She stayed at Riverrun in the book. She also wasn't pregnant.

Wasn't her mom taking steps to make sure she stayed that way?

That was implied - her mother seemed to be in communication with Tywin Lannister throughout the whole process since she expected Jaime to reward her with what Tywin had promised.

IIRC the mom was having her drink moon tea

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

GRRM 100% did not write the red wedding episode. The two show runners did.

Jeyne Westerling is alive in the books and wasn't at the red wedding. Her family betrayed Robb to the Lannisters. Jeyne might be pregnant, although her mother has been making drink moon tea to abort any fetus. She may not have actually drank it though.

I do think that if Grrm told HBO that Jeyne was pregnant and it played a role in the future, that she would have lived through the red wedding. So i do think its a book "spoiler" that she is not pregnant and/or she won't be seen much more in the books.

 

[Barry]

found this on reddit. its from ADWD. don't recall seeing it here.

The galley was also where the ship's books were kept... the fourth and final volume of The Life of the Triarch Belicho, a famous Volantene patriot whose unbroken succession of conquests and triumphs ended rather abruptly when he was eaten by giants.

 

[sn0mm1s]

found this on reddit. its from ADWD. don't recall seeing it here.

The galley was also where the ship's books were kept... the fourth and final volume of The Life of the Triarch Belicho, a famous Volantene patriot whose unbroken succession of conquests and triumphs ended rather abruptly when he was eaten by giants.

Heh... GRRM hates Bill and the Pats.

BTW, for those itching for more chapters, there is a World of Ice and Fire app that has a Tyrion excerpt from the Winds of Winter. App is free - just takes up a sizable amount of space.