Gr00vus
Footballguy
How do they measure that, particularly for a pay channel not selling ad space during its shows? I have no idea, it'd be interesting to learn that.
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HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (3 Viewers)
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
So basically the next (and final) two books have a lot to cover and we will be disappointed one way or another.
Clifford
Footballguy
I really have a hard time seeing how they change enough to deal with the issues in his books. They could easily condense remaining books into one or two seasons by cutting off entire subplotlines altogether.
But, ultimately there is something they'll have to deal with that just doesn't play well in television...
But, ultimately there is something they'll have to deal with that just doesn't play well in television...
By the end of the second season, almost every character that people cared about from the first season (The Starks) is dead. Ned, Catelyn, and Robb all dead. Rickon is never heard from again until he is mentioned (not seen) at the end of DoD. Sansa is subjected to further misery. Arya has what could be called adventures but they are really just ridiculously depressing. Bran is the only one whose story is remotely hopeful, and The whole series just goes way, way dark, to the point that all you ever read about is rape and murder. I think it might be too dark and depressing for TV audiences unless they really play down all the death and rape and dismemberment and betrayal and somehow infuse some real hope for the characters people care about, something Martin failed to do in his books.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I imagine the Jon, Tyrion and Dany story lines become the most prominent ones at that point. The rest fits in around that. Those three should be able to hold peoples' interest, particularly considering some of the crazy #### the three of them encounter will make great viewing.
Clifford
Footballguy
Emotional investment of viewers
I just wonder if people will be emotionally invested enough in those characters to care. But yeah, I don't see any way those three don't become the "main" characters after the Red Wedding. Trouble is none of those characters have much if anything to do with what happens to the kingdom of Westeros, at least through DoD.
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
I think so, particularly given all the things they'll go through. Dany already seems to be a big draw. I imagine Jamie/Cersei getting a lot of screen time for the Westeros stuff, the rest filling in around them. I also forgot to mention that Arya's journey will be compelling if also depressing.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Same here. I thought we were prefacing our spoilers now.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I would guess some combination of subscriptions, ratings, award nominations and DVD/Blue Ray sales. Also, GoT is a pretty big international hit produced fully by HBO so I would assume they make a good amount of money selling it across the globe.
Clifford
Footballguy
I did. Mine is about how the plot will translate to the different medium post book 1, actually post a particular event in Clash of Kings or the next book.He posted about how he thinks it will translate.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Question regarding the Wall, the Others, and Wildlings. If you haven't finished Storm of Swords, do not read this:
If Stannis is able to circumvent the wall by sailing his ships and ambushing the Wildlings, what is the point of the wall? Can the others not swim? Can Wildlings not build ships?
Clifford
Footballguy
I think we are to assume that the Wildlings have been able to get past the wall in small numbers, but the Gift and the New Gift were put there as a sort of buffer for those that got past. We are also to assume that they lack the organization to construct large ships.
The others have not shown up for a long time (hundreds is not 1k+ years) and therefore they haven't been a concern of the Wall until now.
The others have not shown up for a long time (hundreds is not 1k+ years) and therefore they haven't been a concern of the Wall until now.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I thought keeping the others out was the original point of the wall.
parrot
Footballguy
I thought keeping the others out was the original point of the wall.
I believe the the stated age of the Wall is 8000 years.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
So there is a chance the new book is out in under 5 years?
Clifford
Footballguy
My bad, thought that sounded wrong when writing it.All we really know about the Others through DoD is that they can beI thought keeping the others out was the original point of the wall.
killed by dragonglass, and there is a whole buttload of that in Stannis's seat, which I know want to call Dragon's Reach bc of Skyrim. Dragonstone. We know that they are separate from the wights, and that they ride dead animal wights. I think other than legends of them being around a long time ago, that's all we know.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Let's not get crazy here.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I read the spoiler even though I haven't started Dragons yet. Most of that info is in Crows I think.My bad, thought that sounded wrong when writing it.All we really know about the Others through DoD is that they can beI thought keeping the others out was the original point of the wall.killed by dragonglass, and there is a whole buttload of that in Stannis's seat, which I know want to call Dragon's Reach bc of Skyrim. Dragonstone. We know that they are separate from the wights, and that they ride dead animal wights. I think other than legends of them being around a long time ago, that's all we know.
I'm curious how things play out with Dragonstone now that Loras took it back from Stannis while Stannis is up at the wall. Now is the realm screwed because these ####### Lannisters don't believe in what is happening up there? I'm hoping for some history of Dragonstone in the future.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I will be interested to hear your opinion after the final 2 episodes as some serious ish goes down.been wathcing this series on demand. only two episodes left then ill check back in here. the series almost lost me during episode three which was so boring i fell asleep. glad i stuck around cuz its been fantastic since then.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Episode 3 was Lord Snow. Jon arrives at the Wall and Ned arrives in King's Landing. There are a lot of new characters introduced: Varys, Littlefinger, Renly, Grand Maestor Pycelle, Ser Barristan, all of the people at the Wall, Syrio, etc.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
Not enough car chases for ya?been wathcing this series on demand. only two episodes left then ill check back in here. the series almost lost me during episode three which was so boring i fell asleep. glad i stuck around cuz its been fantastic since then.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
Absolutely.
Stoneys
MudCat
I concur with Mr. Shuke
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
Finally finished Feast for Crows. I enjoyed it just as much as the other books, but I now fully comprehend how those who were forced to read this series in real time would be OUTRAGED by what he did (and by his bizarre apology at the end).
Hoping Dance is a little quicker read.
Quick plot point that I found interesting:
Hoping Dance is a little quicker read.
Quick plot point that I found interesting:
- I was surprised to learn that Tywin had essentially arranged for Rob to fall for Jeyne Westerling. It is my understanding that the TV series intends to make something more out of her role. If that is true, I think it will be a nice addition to the story. Martin REALLY glossed over that part in the books. Tywin masterminding Rob's downfall through Westerling and the Freys is pretty fn fantastic stuff.
- I sort of saw the Cersei twist coming, but it was still pretty
to read. I think that will prove to be some pretty compelling TV down the road.
- Who is "Pate"? (Last Chapter - Acolyte at the Citadel) - I feel like I should know this name. Sounds vaguely familiar.
- I sort of saw the Cersei twist coming, but it was still pretty
to read. I think that will prove to be some pretty compelling TV down the road.- Who is "Pate"? (Last Chapter - Acolyte at the Citadel) - I feel like I should know this name. Sounds vaguely familiar.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Apparently international revenue for the show is big. The show is already garnering more $ overseas per episode than the Sopranos.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Not enough car chases for ya?been wathcing this series on demand. only two episodes left then ill check back in here. the series almost lost me during episode three which was so boring i fell asleep. glad i stuck around cuz its been fantastic since then.
shadyridr
Footballguy
####in amazing. Dont know how I missed this show the first time through but so glad I came onboard late. The scene with the dragons that ended the season was amazing. Cant wait for season 2.Joffrey is such a little #####, I want the Starks to kill him so badlyI will be interested to hear your opinion after the final 2 episodes as some serious ish goes down.been wathcing this series on demand. only two episodes left then ill check back in here. the series almost lost me during episode three which was so boring i fell asleep. glad i stuck around cuz its been fantastic since then.
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Polish Hammer
made of glass
I definitely came late to the party on this show, just watched it in the last two weeks. But I got through the whole thing quickly and want more. Some things are predictable (most of the Dothraki/Dragon stuff) but some good twists happened too on the other side. Pissed Sean Bean is already gone as I like his acting. I'm excited to see what happens north of the wall. Is there anything I should go back and re-watch from season 1? Also, I don't have time to read the books right now but would like to visit them later...is there presumably much more material in the books so it will be fresh going through it again?
Polish Hammer
made of glass
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Finally finished Feast for Crows. I enjoyed it just as much as the other books, but I now fully comprehend how those who were forced to read this series in real time would be OUTRAGED by what he did (and by his bizarre apology at the end).Hoping Dance is a little quicker read. Quick plot point that I found interesting:
- I was surprised to learn that Tywin had essentially arranged for Rob to fall for Jeyne Westerling. It is my understanding that the TV series intends to make something more out of her role. If that is true, I think it will be a nice addition to the story. Martin REALLY glossed over that part in the books. Tywin masterminding Rob's downfall through Westerling and the Freys is pretty fn fantastic stuff.- I sort of saw the Cersei twist coming, but it was still pretty
Pate was introduced in the Prologue as the apprentice at the Citadel who stole a key (I think) for a mysterious man named the "Alchemist". The Alchemist took the key and killed Pate. When Pate showed up in this last chapter, it appeared that someone has assumed his identity. It is generally believed due to various hints that the "Alchemist" is Jaqen H'ghar, a "faceless man" who has taken on the form of Pate. Jaqen was part of the group of prisoners heading for the wall with Yoren and Arya in AFFC. She saved his life, so he killed some of her enemies and gave her the gold coin.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Clifford
Footballguy
Regarding comeuppance...####in amazing. Dont know how I missed this show the first time through but so glad I came onboard late. The scene with the dragons that ended the season was amazing. Cant wait for season 2.Joffrey is such a little #####, I want the Starks to kill him so badlyI will be interested to hear your opinion after the final 2 episodes as some serious ish goes down.been wathcing this series on demand. only two episodes left then ill check back in here. the series almost lost me during episode three which was so boring i fell asleep. glad i stuck around cuz its been fantastic since then.
Be prepared to be disappointed. Martin apparently does not really believe in the feelgood comeuppance. Most of the villians in his stories just meet some unfortunate end or get killed by someone they haven't really wronged.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Definitely worth the read (particularly the 1st 3 books). I recommend starting them at a time where you won't need much sleep for a while.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Mrs. Dogg wants to read the first book. I assume that's A Song of Fire and Ice.
If she reads only that one to start, will there be Season 2 spoilers in it?
If she reads only that one to start, will there be Season 2 spoilers in it?
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
The first book is "A Game of Thrones". The "Song of Fire and Ice" is the name of the entire (as yet unfinished) series. It's been many years since I read that book, but don't believe there will be any spoilers for Season 2. I'm in the camp that would rather have the tv series spoiled by reading the book then have the reading spoiled by having seen the tv series, so I'd recommend she read the first and second (or more) before the next season starts anyway.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
So I have 2 chapters left in Crows. Just finished the last Brienne and Cersei chapters of the book.
So what the hell was the point of Brienne's character and story line? Yes, she seems to play a role in the seeming redemption of Jaime Lannister, but I feel that could have come about in a number of different ways. She sets out on a journey, fails, and is hung? Those chapters were a waste of time. And I am not liking the idea of the resurrected Catlyn Stark. Is there a need to resurrect the dead other than the White Walkers? There seems to be enough going on in the 7 Kingdoms and beyond, that this storyline also will be useless. Dondarrion and the Brotherhood seemed cool. He didn't need to have been undead either.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
Finally finished Feast for Crows. I enjoyed it just as much as the other books, but I now fully comprehend how those who were forced to read this series in real time would be OUTRAGED by what he did (and by his bizarre apology at the end).Hoping Dance is a little quicker read. Quick plot point that I found interesting:
- I was surprised to learn that Tywin had essentially arranged for Rob to fall for Jeyne Westerling. It is my understanding that the TV series intends to make something more out of her role. If that is true, I think it will be a nice addition to the story. Martin REALLY glossed over that part in the books. Tywin masterminding Rob's downfall through Westerling and the Freys is pretty fn fantastic stuff.- I sort of saw the Cersei twist coming, but it was still pretty
Pate was introduced in the Prologue as the apprentice at the Citadel who stole a key (I think) for a mysterious man named the "Alchemist". The Alchemist took the key and killed Pate. When Pate showed up in this last chapter, it appeared that someone has assumed his identity. It is generally believed due to various hints that the "Alchemist" is Jaqen H'ghar, a "faceless man" who has taken on the form of Pate. Jaqen was part of the group of prisoners heading for the wall with Yoren and Arya in AFFC. She saved his life, so he killed some of her enemies and gave her the gold coin.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
I don't know if her story has been fully told. 
And I think she has been used to further develop Jamie, to an extent.
And I think she has been used to further develop Jamie, to an extent.
Clifford
Footballguy
I don't know if her story has been fully told. And I think she has been used to further develop Jamie, to an extent.
And I think she has been used to further develop Jamie, to an extent.As with many, in fact almost all of the death cliffhangers (Bran/Rickon, Arya, Asha, and a few more) she is not dead. Martin gives you a clue when she calls out a word.But FWIW I agree about Catelyn. I think she just becomes a revenge vehicle against the Lannisters/Freys. This plotline is not advanced much in the next book.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
April, I think.
I am enjoying DoD so far, but
I am enjoying DoD so far, but
it looks like things are sliding far more toward the "fantasy" side as its progressing (for better/worse).
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
Arya is getting old 
how the F are they going to keep the kids young? Arya might be sporting D cups by the time they get to Storm.
how the F are they going to keep the kids young? Arya might be sporting D cups by the time they get to Storm.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
I am only about 1/5 into it, but
for starters the first chapter was about shapeshifting and being a warg. Coldhands, the children of the forest, the undead lord Bran has a chat with, all of the Valyria background via Tyrion, ect.
She is still a kid now, but it will be a problem before the series ends if they go through the whole thing.
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