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HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (3 Viewers)

Is it controversial to say that this series is better than the Lord of the Rings films? A lot better.
Nothing wrong with speaking the truth.
Here's what got me thinking about this. An acquaintance on Facebook posted this in one of my Game of Thrones threads: "Actually, I am going to disagree with you. Except for the performance of Peter Dinklage, I found it quite ordinary - a routine melodrama dressed up in a pseudo-middle ages fantasy."

I thought about de-friending her for saying such stupid #### :yes:

 
Is it controversial to say that this series is better than the Lord of the Rings films? A lot better.
Nothing wrong with speaking the truth.
Here's what got me thinking about this. An acquaintance on Facebook posted this in one of my Game of Thrones threads: "Actually, I am going to disagree with you. Except for the performance of Peter Dinklage, I found it quite ordinary - a routine melodrama dressed up in a pseudo-middle ages fantasy."

I thought about de-friending her for saying such stupid #### :yes:
lol. I think "routine melodrama" went out the window when The Incest Twins chucked a 7 year old boy from a tower, but I might be impartial at this point.
 
Is it controversial to say that this series is better than the Lord of the Rings films? A lot better.
Nothing wrong with speaking the truth.
Here's what got me thinking about this. An acquaintance on Facebook posted this in one of my Game of Thrones threads: "Actually, I am going to disagree with you. Except for the performance of Peter Dinklage, I found it quite ordinary - a routine melodrama dressed up in a pseudo-middle ages fantasy."

I thought about de-friending her for saying such stupid #### :yes:
lol. I think "routine melodrama" went out the window when The Incest Twins chucked a 7 year old boy from a tower, but I might be impartial at this point.
Exactly. This show is everything but routine.
 
Is it controversial to say that this series is better than the Lord of the Rings films? A lot better.
Nothing wrong with speaking the truth.
Here's what got me thinking about this. An acquaintance on Facebook posted this in one of my Game of Thrones threads: "Actually, I am going to disagree with you. Except for the performance of Peter Dinklage, I found it quite ordinary - a routine melodrama dressed up in a pseudo-middle ages fantasy."

I thought about de-friending her for saying such stupid #### :yes:
Not sure how one could call it a routine melodrama. Routine compared to what? What is it similar to or a derivative of? I am definitely confused how it deserves the label of melodrama. It would be like someone saying The Wire is a routine melodrama about cops and crime.
 
Is it controversial to say that this series is better than the Lord of the Rings films? A lot better.
Nothing wrong with speaking the truth.
Here's what got me thinking about this. An acquaintance on Facebook posted this in one of my Game of Thrones threads: "Actually, I am going to disagree with you. Except for the performance of Peter Dinklage, I found it quite ordinary - a routine melodrama dressed up in a pseudo-middle ages fantasy."

I thought about de-friending her for saying such stupid #### :yes:
Not sure how one could call it a routine melodrama. Routine compared to what? What is it similar to or a derivative of? I am definitely confused how it deserves the label of melodrama. It would be like someone saying The Wire is a routine melodrama about cops and crime.
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Is it controversial to say that this series is better than the Lord of the Rings films? A lot better.
Nothing wrong with speaking the truth.
Here's what got me thinking about this. An acquaintance on Facebook posted this in one of my Game of Thrones threads: "Actually, I am going to disagree with you. Except for the performance of Peter Dinklage, I found it quite ordinary - a routine melodrama dressed up in a pseudo-middle ages fantasy."

I thought about de-friending her for saying such stupid #### :yes:
Not sure how one could call it a routine melodrama. Routine compared to what? What is it similar to or a derivative of? I am definitely confused how it deserves the label of melodrama. It would be like someone saying The Wire is a routine melodrama about cops and crime.
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Her answer was just code for "I don't like the show but don't have a good reason."I didn't like the LOTR movies (too many departures from the book that I couldn't get behind, and LOTR is my favorite book/story), and I love this series. So, I agree with you, but I could understand others who don't.

 
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The other thing from season one that I didn't get from the first book was the relationship between Renly and the Knight of Flowers. Did I miss that in the book, or is that something the TV show is letting us in on before the books did?
Not sure when it starts, but that relationship is hinted at about 100 times in the books. Once you notice it you realize characters are dropping references all the time.
I didn't pick up on it from the books either. Then I watched the series and was like, "how did I not pick up on that from the books?"
Same here.
 
The other thing from season one that I didn't get from the first book was the relationship between Renly and the Knight of Flowers. Did I miss that in the book, or is that something the TV show is letting us in on before the books did?
Not sure when it starts, but that relationship is hinted at about 100 times in the books. Once you notice it you realize characters are dropping references all the time.
I didn't pick up on it from the books either. Then I watched the series and was like, "how did I not pick up on that from the books?"
Same here.
The scene in season one when loras was shaving Renly, then went down on him, that was pretty over the top. The books only had characters make jokes about Renly, and described him as being smaller, having interest in clothing and naming his personal guard (of which Loras was a member), the Rainbow Cloaks. Cersei suggested that he slept with his queen, so my guess is that he's more metrosexual/bi than fully gay.
 
The other thing from season one that I didn't get from the first book was the relationship between Renly and the Knight of Flowers. Did I miss that in the book, or is that something the TV show is letting us in on before the books did?
Not sure when it starts, but that relationship is hinted at about 100 times in the books. Once you notice it you realize characters are dropping references all the time.
I didn't pick up on it from the books either. Then I watched the series and was like, "how did I not pick up on that from the books?"
Same here.
The scene in season one when loras was shaving Renly, then went down on him, that was pretty over the top. The books only had characters make jokes about Renly, and described him as being smaller, having interest in clothing and naming his personal guard (of which Loras was a member), the Rainbow Cloaks. Cersei suggested that he slept with his queen, so my guess is that he's more metrosexual/bi than fully gay.
Stannis, Littlefinger, Varys and Jaime all hint at it being the case. Stannis and Jaime are pretty blunt about it. I think it is pretty much common knowledge.
 
The other thing from season one that I didn't get from the first book was the relationship between Renly and the Knight of Flowers. Did I miss that in the book, or is that something the TV show is letting us in on before the books did?
Not sure when it starts, but that relationship is hinted at about 100 times in the books. Once you notice it you realize characters are dropping references all the time.
I didn't pick up on it from the books either. Then I watched the series and was like, "how did I not pick up on that from the books?"
Same here.
The scene in season one when loras was shaving Renly, then went down on him, that was pretty over the top. The books only had characters make jokes about Renly, and described him as being smaller, having interest in clothing and naming his personal guard (of which Loras was a member), the Rainbow Cloaks. Cersei suggested that he slept with his queen, so my guess is that he's more metrosexual/bi than fully gay.
Stannis, Littlefinger, Varys and Jaime all hint at it being the case. Stannis and Jaime are pretty blunt about it. I think it is pretty much common knowledge.
Pretty sure there were some passages about Renly employing the Villiage People as his travelling mummer's group - be back in a sec with book/page references.
 
I think my problem with the scene is that Littlefinger is more subtle than making an open threat like that. He wouldn't let someone know he has the goods on them until after he struck.
Exactly right. Littlefinger is the most cunning human in the universe, no way he arrogantly boasts to Cercei that he knows everything.
He was way off in this episode- didn't even sound the same. The accent, inflection, and tone were way different from how he sounded in season 1. That really threw me off as well. It seems like he made the same mistake as Ned Stark in telling Cersei he knew. However, at this point, she can't be so blind to think he didn't have anything to do with Ned finding out. It didn't work out for Ned because Cersei was able to arrange for the only person more powerful than her to be killed. Also, Ned played the game with morality which limited what he was capable of. I think Littlefinger actually won his exchange. As she reminds him, he was born lowly and created his own sigil. He has no great family protecting him, no kingdom to revenge his death. He could be killed and few would mourn him. Yet, she didn't kill him even when confronted with that. The fact she didn't kill him, proves how powerful knowledge is. Also,who do you think was chirping in Joffrey's ear about Robert having bastards? Who knows so well about all these bastards? It seems like a nice nod back from Baelish about knowledge and power.
 
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Did George R. R. Martin change his name? I find it tough to believe that he and Tolkien both have two middle names beginning with R.

 
Preview for Episode 2 looks quite good.

And after several viewings now, I think they did an excellent job with Episode 1. While the order and manner of things happening differed from the book, they really got everything across. And I love the ending with the bastards getting killed, Janos Slint cutting the throat of a baby so we hate his ### even more, and closing out on Gendry and Arya to set up this week.

Also, I think that Cressen drinks the wine first here because he thinks he is immune to it somehow. There was no reason for him to do so first otherwise, and his facial expression, to me, confirms this. The Littliefinger/Cersei scene was a little heavy handed, but I think these writers have a plan for Littlefinger, so I am rolling with it.

Watched the enhanced version on HBOGO, which was kind of cool, but didn't add much for me as a reader. People who haven't read though should benefit from it.

 
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A few questions:

Why does Renly think he's heir to the throne while Davos is still alive?

Why does Davos follow the red-headed priestess?

Have we been introduced to Greyjoy's father yet?

Is that all thats left of the Targerians or is it just those that followed Dany?

 
A few questions:Why does Renly think he's heir to the throne while Davos is still alive?Why does Davos follow the red-headed priestess?Have we been introduced to Greyjoy's father yet?Is that all thats left of the Targerians or is it just those that followed Dany?
FYI: Stanis is Renly's Brother. Davos is one of his knights.Why does Renly think he's heir to the throne while Stanis is still alive?Renly just thinks he is better suited to be king, doesn't think Stanis Inspires love/loyalty(from season 1)Why does Stanis follow the red-headed priestess?She's telling him what he wants to hear, he wants to be king and thinks she can help him get that. Have we been introduced to Greyjoy's father yet?Not yet, probably in the next couple episodes I imagine. Is that all thats left of the Targerians or is it just those that followed Dany?Dany is the only remaining Targerian, others are just her followers.
 
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A few questions:Why does Renly think he's heir to the throne while Davos is still alive?Why does Davos follow the red-headed priestess?Have we been introduced to Greyjoy's father yet?Is that all thats left of the Targerians or is it just those that followed Dany?
FYI: Stanis is Renly's Brother. Davos is one of his knights.Why does Renly think he's heir to the throne while Stanis is still alive?Renly just thinks he is better suited to be king, doesn't think Stanis Inspires love/loyalty(from season 1)Why does Stanis follow the red-headed priestess?She's telling him what he wants to hear, he wants to be king and thinks she can help him get that. Have we been introduced to Greyjoy's father yet?Not yet, probably in the next couple episodes I imagine. Is that all thats left of the Targerians or is it just those that followed Dany?Dany is the only remaining Targerian, others are just her followers.
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A few questions:

Why does Renly think he's heir to the throne while Davos is still alive?

Why does Davos follow the red-headed priestess?

Have we been introduced to Greyjoy's father yet?

Is that all thats left of the Targerians or is it just those that followed Dany?
FYI: Stanis is Renly's Brother. Davos is one of his knights.Why does Renly think he's heir to the throne while Stanis is still alive?

Renly just thinks he is better suited to be king, doesn't think Stanis Inspires love/loyalty(from season 1)

Why does Stanis follow the red-headed priestess?

She's telling him what he wants to hear, he wants to be king and thinks she can help him get that.

Have we been introduced to Greyjoy's father yet?

Not yet, probably in the next couple episodes I imagine.

Is that all thats left of the Targerians or is it just those that followed Dany?

Dany is the only remaining Targerian, others are just her followers.
Thanks for the clarification...that's who I meant.It just seemed like a much larger group following Drogo.

Thanks for the reply!

 
It just seemed like a much larger group following Drogo.
Yeah once Drogo died most of them split, down to around 100 IIRC. In the first episode it looks like it's down to less than 50, they lose some while traveling through the wasteland.
 
So for now, I won't speculate since I'd probably be wrong, the plan to invade is off for Dany. They're just looking to survive.

 
question for the book guys.

The whole Fire sword on the beach ceremony, seemed a little weak to me.

What was the point that you set a sword on fire and stick it in the dirt? whats that suppose to symbolize?

 
Why does Stanis follow the red-headed priestess?She's telling him what he wants to hear, he wants to be king and thinks she can help him get that.
Stannis's wife is a follower of that religion, so she is heavily influencing him as well.
Oh, ok.I'm guessing that becomes a big conflict later on? Do more people follow that religion?
That would be a good guess.It's a minor religion in the number of willing followers.
 
Do more people follow that religion?
Basically no one from Westeros does aside from Stannis and his followers, who are somewhat recent converts.
question for the book guys.The whole Fire sword on the beach ceremony, seemed a little weak to me.What was the point that you set a sword on fire and stick it in the dirt? whats that suppose to symbolize?
Fire is a big part of that religion. Their messiah supposedly wielded a flaming sword.
 
question for the book guys.The whole Fire sword on the beach ceremony, seemed a little weak to me.What was the point that you set a sword on fire and stick it in the dirt? whats that suppose to symbolize?
The red priestess prophesied that the conqueor of Westeros would wield "lightbringer". Stannis played along during the ceremony but he doens't completely buy into the magic mombo-jumbo.
 
Was it just me, or was Daenerys having a hard time making eye contact with the CGI dragon?
:goodposting: very much so
When I first read these comments I wasn't sure what you guys were talking about. After seeing the episode a 2nd time, I get it. When I watched it the first time it never crossed my mind that she was even trying to look at the dragon in those scenes, I just thought she was looking at something off to her left outside the frame - that's how poorly executed that was.
 
Thanks for the clarification...that's who I meant.

It just seemed like a much larger group following Drogo.

Thanks for the reply!
Those werent Targaerians. I forgot what they were called now
She has nothing to invade with.
Dragons
That was Drogo's Dothraki Khallasar. She ended up with mainly the dregs sticking with her, I think along with some of the lamb people whose town they had just wiped out.
 
Really really really dumb question which I think I know the answer too. This fake land is supposed to take place on a planet other than Earth? Cuz they talk about summers and winters lasting for 5 years.

 
question for the book guys.The whole Fire sword on the beach ceremony, seemed a little weak to me.What was the point that you set a sword on fire and stick it in the dirt? whats that suppose to symbolize?
The red priestess prophesied that the conqueor of Westeros would wield "lightbringer". Stannis played along during the ceremony but he doens't completely buy into the magic mombo-jumbo.
I agree that scene on the beach was weak and it's why I disapprove of Melisandre's portrayal in episode one. Not a lot of passion from her on that one. I think the show runners were trying to show that the followers were uneasy with her and her religion but that's no reason for her to be so tepid.
 

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