I like King Beyond the Wall and The Mountain That Rides. Seems to carry more weight as a nickname if it's actually longer and more formal than their given names.That's one of the great touches Martin puts into his work. Even a lot of nobodies and/or very minor characters that are just being mentioned in passing have descriptive names. Some say there's a little too much of that in this instance but it really fleshes out the work a lot better than just thinking up an odd name.Kingslayer is great, I will throw a few more in the mix: Stormborn, the Onion Knight and the Lord of Bones.
I thought it was midiclorians?But notice that the "sciency" stuff in Star Wars is not supposed to give us a glimpse into the future or "things to come". Hell, the first freaking title card says "a long time ago". Star Wars isn't futuristic in terms of the droids, lightsabers etc. One of the biggest plot elements in Star Wars is The Force...it's magic, not science. Notice that technology or possible future technologies rarely impact the plot of Star Wars. There is nothing to do with machines becoming sentient or mankind's impact on the world around them or the discovery of new things in Star Wars.Fantasy with laserbeams, laser swords, space ships, robots and aliens. That, my friend, is sci-fi. Heck by some definitions Star Wars is a western (and a remake of Kurasawa's Hidden Fortress) but it's still sci-fi first and foremost.IIRC you really enjoyed Blade Runner, so much so that it was the only film you mentioned when I asked you for examples of sci-fi films you enjoyed (find your own link). BR has robots and space ships does that make it fantasy or are aliens and laser beams required to tip the scales from sci-fi to fantasy in your mind?It's pretty obvious that it is more fantasy than Sci-Fi.Star Wars isn't really Sci-Fi, Frodo.I can't wait to hear the defense of that statement.
Spaceships and laser blasters are secondary to magic and wizardry. There are sci-fi elements in Star Wars but when you get down to it...it is fantasy.
King Beyond the Wall is definitely not Mance's official title. There is no actual King beyond the wall...And how is the Sword of Morning a title for Arthur Dayne? Did I miss something there?The King Beyond the Wall and The Sword of Morning are not nicknames they are titles. Like The Warden of the North is not a nickname.
And yet it still doesn't take place in the future.Aren't the Clone Wars based upon robot armies battling clone armies for dominion of the universe?Death StarBut notice that the "sciency" stuff in Star Wars is not supposed to give us a glimpse into the future or "things to come". Hell, the first freaking title card says "a long time ago". Star Wars isn't futuristic in terms of the droids, lightsabers etc. One of the biggest plot elements in Star Wars is The Force...it's magic, not science. Notice that technology or possible future technologies rarely impact the plot of Star Wars. There is nothing to do with machines becoming sentient or mankind's impact on the world around them or the discovery of new things in Star Wars.Fantasy with laserbeams, laser swords, space ships, robots and aliens. That, my friend, is sci-fi. Heck by some definitions Star Wars is a western (and a remake of Kurasawa's Hidden Fortress) but it's still sci-fi first and foremost.IIRC you really enjoyed Blade Runner, so much so that it was the only film you mentioned when I asked you for examples of sci-fi films you enjoyed (find your own link). BR has robots and space ships does that make it fantasy or are aliens and laser beams required to tip the scales from sci-fi to fantasy in your mind?It's pretty obvious that it is more fantasy than Sci-Fi.Star Wars isn't really Sci-Fi, Frodo.I can't wait to hear the defense of that statement.
Spaceships and laser blasters are secondary to magic and wizardry. There are sci-fi elements in Star Wars but when you get down to it...it is fantasy.
Any chance we can keep the "I am a bigger nerd than you" conversation in another thread?![]()

Not sure how that impacts the price of ale on Alderaan. In the history of Earth do robots predate dinosaurs? Space ships, robots and laser beams my friend. Super tech = sci fi. I have no problem calling sci-fi a sub-group of fantasy but Star Wars is sci-fi. The sooner you accept this fact the more time you will be able to dedicate to putting funny hats on your cats.And yet it still doesn't take place in the future.Aren't the Clone Wars based upon robot armies battling clone armies for dominion of the universe?Death StarBut notice that the "sciency" stuff in Star Wars is not supposed to give us a glimpse into the future or "things to come". Hell, the first freaking title card says "a long time ago". Star Wars isn't futuristic in terms of the droids, lightsabers etc. One of the biggest plot elements in Star Wars is The Force...it's magic, not science. Notice that technology or possible future technologies rarely impact the plot of Star Wars. There is nothing to do with machines becoming sentient or mankind's impact on the world around them or the discovery of new things in Star Wars.Fantasy with laserbeams, laser swords, space ships, robots and aliens. That, my friend, is sci-fi. Heck by some definitions Star Wars is a western (and a remake of Kurasawa's Hidden Fortress) but it's still sci-fi first and foremost.IIRC you really enjoyed Blade Runner, so much so that it was the only film you mentioned when I asked you for examples of sci-fi films you enjoyed (find your own link). BR has robots and space ships does that make it fantasy or are aliens and laser beams required to tip the scales from sci-fi to fantasy in your mind?It's pretty obvious that it is more fantasy than Sci-Fi.Star Wars isn't really Sci-Fi, Frodo.I can't wait to hear the defense of that statement.
Spaceships and laser blasters are secondary to magic and wizardry. There are sci-fi elements in Star Wars but when you get down to it...it is fantasy.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Sword_of_the_Morninghttp://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/King-Beyond-the-WallKing Beyond the Wall is definitely not Mance's official title. There is no actual King beyond the wall...And how is the Sword of Morning a title for Arthur Dayne? Did I miss something there?The King Beyond the Wall and The Sword of Morning are not nicknames they are titles. Like The Warden of the North is not a nickname.
Horseface.Arya has the best nicknames of the series, Arya Underfoot, The Ghost of Harrenhal, Weasel, Cat of the Canals
Who died and made you King of the Seven Kingdoms?Start your own thread, get lost, whatever, just stop with this here.
Seriously. Are there any new episodes coming out before 2013? No? Then settle down.Who died and made you King of the Seven Kingdoms?Start your own thread, get lost, whatever, just stop with this here.
I keep opening this thread thinking there's some news or worthwhile discussion about the show, only to see its more banal lunacy from you folk, so its become a "fool me once ..." thing.Seriously. Are there any new episodes coming out before 2013? No? Then settle down.Who died and made you King of the Seven Kingdoms?Start your own thread, get lost, whatever, just stop with this here.
I think you mean Coach, but don't worry, some hick farmer from the Riverlands joins the Watch next season.Did Sam die at the end of the second season? I assume not...
Seriously? The Free For All is a wholly owned subsidiary of Banal Lunacy Inc.I keep opening this thread thinking there's some news or worthwhile discussion about the show, only to see its more banal lunacy from you folk, so its become a "fool me once ..." thing.Seriously. Are there any new episodes coming out before 2013? No? Then settle down.Who died and made you King of the Seven Kingdoms?Start your own thread, get lost, whatever, just stop with this here.
Season 3 premier is set for March 31st
Here are some of the new cast/characters for Season 3
Funny thing really is they arent near my favorite characters, i just didnt like the story change and was worried with how they would pull it off. Based on casting it seems like seasons 3 and 4 will be closer to storm of swords path.
When?We met Dondarian briefly in season one. Is this the same actor?
when ned stark sent him out to bring the mountain to justiceWhen?We met Dondarian briefly in season one. Is this the same actor?
I think its a new actor. Thoros seems a little odd.when ned stark sent him out to bring the mountain to justiceWhen?We met Dondarian briefly in season one. Is this the same actor?
I didn't read the books, so don't spoil anything. I am just wondering, why do you think the creators veered so much from the 2nd book after it seems like the first season was really done note for note with the book? Was book 2 disappointing or just didn't translate to TV?Funny thing really is they arent near my favorite characters, i just didnt like the story change and was worried with how they would pull it off. Based on casting it seems like seasons 3 and 4 will be closer to storm of swords path.
Too consolidate I'd say... though I just finished book two recently and I didn't think there were that many departures. It's not as scene for scene as book one and season one were. But not that much was very different... at least not significantly. The biggest one I can think of is what happens at Winterfeld at the end. Otherwise it's just a few details at Harrenhall and less Littlefinger. I can't think of anything lacking that would bother me.I didn't read the books, so don't spoil anything. I am just wondering, why do you think the creators veered so much from the 2nd book after it seems like the first season was really done note for note with the book? Was book 2 disappointing or just didn't translate to TV?Funny thing really is they arent near my favorite characters, i just didnt like the story change and was worried with how they would pull it off. Based on casting it seems like seasons 3 and 4 will be closer to storm of swords path.
What about Dany having her dragons stolen? That whole arc came out of nowhere.Too consolidate I'd say... though I just finished book two recently and I didn't think there were that many departures. It's not as scene for scene as book one and season one were. But not that much was very different... at least not significantly. The biggest one I can think of is what happens at Winterfeld at the end. Otherwise it's just a few details at Harrenhall and less Littlefinger. I can't think of anything lacking that would bother me.I didn't read the books, so don't spoil anything. I am just wondering, why do you think the creators veered so much from the 2nd book after it seems like the first season was really done note for note with the book? Was book 2 disappointing or just didn't translate to TV?Funny thing really is they arent near my favorite characters, i just didnt like the story change and was worried with how they would pull it off. Based on casting it seems like seasons 3 and 4 will be closer to storm of swords path.
Yea, and Daxos and Pyat assassinating the 13. Those are both good additions to me. Not much really went on in Quarth. It's good they spice it up for TV... like with the addition of the Redhead Rozz in S1.What about Dany having her dragons stolen? That whole arc came out of nowhere.Too consolidate I'd say... though I just finished book two recently and I didn't think there were that many departures. It's not as scene for scene as book one and season one were. But not that much was very different... at least not significantly. The biggest one I can think of is what happens at Winterfeld at the end. Otherwise it's just a few details at Harrenhall and less Littlefinger. I can't think of anything lacking that would bother me.I didn't read the books, so don't spoil anything. I am just wondering, why do you think the creators veered so much from the 2nd book after it seems like the first season was really done note for note with the book? Was book 2 disappointing or just didn't translate to TV?Funny thing really is they arent near my favorite characters, i just didnt like the story change and was worried with how they would pull it off. Based on casting it seems like seasons 3 and 4 will be closer to storm of swords path.
Yea, and Daxos and Pyat assassinating the 13. Those are both good additions to me. Not much really went on in Quarth. It's good they spice it up for TV... like with the addition of the Redhead Rozz in S1.What about Dany having her dragons stolen? That whole arc came out of nowhere.Too consolidate I'd say... though I just finished book two recently and I didn't think there were that many departures. It's not as scene for scene as book one and season one were. But not that much was very different... at least not significantly. The biggest one I can think of is what happens at Winterfeld at the end. Otherwise it's just a few details at Harrenhall and less Littlefinger. I can't think of anything lacking that would bother me.I didn't read the books, so don't spoil anything. I am just wondering, why do you think the creators veered so much from the 2nd book after it seems like the first season was really done note for note with the book? Was book 2 disappointing or just didn't translate to TV?Funny thing really is they arent near my favorite characters, i just didnt like the story change and was worried with how they would pull it off. Based on casting it seems like seasons 3 and 4 will be closer to storm of swords path.
Me too...fun to watch now after what I know (not a reader).Just caught parts of the season 1 marathon today on hbozone. Damn that was such a great season of tv.