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As good as the show is, I think the books are better, even though the last 2 (particularly #4) haven't been as good as the 1st three. So I'd like to see Martin actually finish his books off, however long it takes, regardless of what happens with the show. If the show has to go a different direction I just see it as a bonus for us - 2 endings for the price of one sort of.
They can condense the hell out of 4 & 5 for TV. There are story arcs for 2 ladies and at least 1 guy that, while I enjoyed reading them, would be seen as wheel-spinning on TV. The showrunners have already played hell with timelines - and GRRM had already ####ed them up in the books as early as halfway through 3 - that I think they can get to the end of book 5 by the end of TV season 6 (2016). If Martin can get book 6 out by early 2015, that would give him until 2018 to get book 7 out before the show passes him. Granted, given that it took him 11 frigging years to get the last two published, that looks like a pipe dream. But I have a sneaking itch that he's further along than most think.Personally, I think Martin has done his best writing in books 4 & 5 - the ability to evoke atmosphere/emotion is miles above what he was able to do in 1996 or 2000. I'm just talking the writing itself, not the construction (which has gotten a little away from him).
Thanks....jerk. Now I'm never going to get #### done.Leeroy Jenkins said:
Tower of the Hand also has a bunch. And some of the same as above. Again, lots of spoilers here:
I think some of the links are actually to that site as well.
Page count isn't all that relevant. Break down what actually happens in books 4 and 5 that would work well on television. There's no way they can milk them for 3 seasons.
Same Here
HBO isnt going to wait for GRRM at all. if the books are out cool, if not, we will all watch it unfold on the screen
I agree with this. HBO had to know this was a very real possibility and I'm sure they have some sort of plan in place to deal with it. Anyone who did 5 minutes of research would see that GRRM writes at a snail's pace and the show was going to catch up in a hurry. They won't stop the show to wait for the books.
Won't matter. We have it on good authority that the show won't last past season 5 anyways.
I don't need to see every inane detail of Martin's world-building, and character development can be easily synthesized in short scenes on the screen. As far as actual events, fitting books 4 and 5 in two seasons is more than enough time.
I'm only talking about where the story is in relation to the end of book 5. I have no idea where Martin's going in future books, but there are some arcs that I don't think will play well on a TV show to get us where we are in what's published.
Yeah, but look at what you wrote in there. You think words like: plotting, training, politics, etc.. are going to get a lot of the average viewer base excited for 3 years after the stuff that went down in the first few seasons? I loved the first few books, but the last couple have made me lose interest a bit. I realize there are a ton of moving parts, but it does start to feel like there is no endgame, which is a tad frustrating.
It'll be a huge challenge. They can't ignore some of the favorite characters the way book 4 does. At the same time, they can't address all the story lines in parellel without the show moving along extremely slowly.
That's why I think they're gonna streamline some of the storylines from those two books extensively. As I mentioned above, there are at least 3 story arcs that can be cut by maybe 75% without losing anything for TV audiences. How they'll handle timelines, I have no idea. But they have already tinkered with them something fierce.
Roose Bolton sent his ******* (Ramsay Bolton) to take back Winterfell on Robb's behalf. Robb told Roose that his ******* could let them all go, but he wanted Theon captured and alive. So Ramsay laid siege to Winterfell and blew that damn horn for days and days depriving theon and his men of sleep. So theon gives a rousing speech for battle and his men knick him out and turn him over to Ramsay. Implied that they made a deal to save themselves as they never respected theon nor liked being so inland. Ramsay is insane and is torturing him for pleasure while holding him for safe keeping. Notice that he blew that damn horn again when interrupting theon with the chicks. You're not really missing anything with Roose/Jaime that the show hasn't espoused on yet. Just keep watching. The other thrones thread avoids book spoilers and is just about the show. You may prefer that thread.
His own men knocked him out and left him behind, the Boltons were heading to retake WF and the Ironborn knew they'd lose, so they split and left their idiot leader behind. Thus Theon was waiting as the Boltons retook WF. Robb doesn't know where Jaime is and Lord Bolton is sending him back to cover his ### in the probable event that the Lannisters win. I doubt he knows about the assault planned for Casterly Rock, but probably does know about the Karstarks leaving, so to him it's almost a formality. The way Houses switch sides, making sure Tywin has nothing personal against him ensures that he won't be obliterated if/when the Lannisters win and he swears fealty to them.
wow. on spot. kinda
AFFC & ADWD spoilers
It would be TOO obvious & cheesy, but slamming that song during that scene would be kinda cool
very good point. BUT, that would be a pretty big divergence. And, I think it is too hokey. I like the show's resolution better imo.
