HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (3 Viewers)

[encaitar]

I wonder if they would've had Bron take over for Illyn Payne even if that actor didn't pass away. Much better with some back and forth dialog there... and between such cocky SOBs too.

I think they would've. Illyn Payne didn't add much to the tv show. In the books Bronn kinda disappears once he's made a lord. His cockiness/wittiness is to good to get rid of for tv. I'm guessing he ends up following Jaime now that Tyrion is out of the picture.

 

[dfwboiler]

I think they did a good job of hiding Olenna taking the stone off of Sansa's necklace.

You can see her playing with Sansa's hair, but they don't explicitly show her taking a stone off of it. If you look though, the stone on Sansa's upper left is missing.

 

[massraider]

I think they did a good job of hiding Olenna taking the stone off of Sansa's necklace.

You can see her playing with Sansa's hair, but they don't explicitly show her taking a stone off of it. If you look though, the stone on Sansa's upper left is missing.

Nice catch.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Once again...the TV show is so much better than the books.

 

[Maelstrom]

Once again...the TV show is so much better than the books.

 

[massraider]

Once again...the TV show is so much better than the books.

Brutal effort.

 

[=Smackdown=]

In the book didn't Joffrey claw/scratch/gouge at his neck trying to get air?

 

[Sabertooth]

Malloy just can't get any takers on his schtick. Poor guy.

 

[Thunderlips]

One thing I did find unusual is that by this point in the book, Balon Greyjoy is rumored to be dead. I say that because IIRC, there hasn't been a first person description of it; just heresay. I wonder if they've kept him alive because they're going to combine him with maybe one of his brothers or something?

 

[Sinn Fein]

In the book didn't Joffrey claw/scratch/gouge at his neck trying to get air?

Maybe - why?

 

[KarmaPolice]

In the book didn't Joffrey claw/scratch/gouge at his neck trying to get air?

Maybe - why?

I think a lot of people wanted a more brutal death for that turd.

 

[Abrantes]

Malloy just can't get any takers on his schtick. Poor guy.

Awful in both threads now.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Malloy just can't get any takers on his schtick. Poor guy.

Awful in both threads now.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

One thing I did find unusual is that by this point in the book, Balon Greyjoy is rumored to be dead. I say that because IIRC, there hasn't been a first person description of it; just heresay. I wonder if they've kept him alive because they're going to combine him with maybe one of his brothers or something?

well in the show, he was a burned leech too, so Im guessing that they will off him at somepoint.

They certainly havent spent alot of time on the ironborn in a while besides theon

 

[Rick James]

They cut out the best Bolton dialogue ever..."don't make me regret the day I raped your mother."

awesome episode though

 

[Sinn Fein]

In the book didn't Joffrey claw/scratch/gouge at his neck trying to get air?

Maybe - why?

I think a lot of people wanted a more brutal death for that turd.

Here is the book excerpt:

Spoiler

“It’s, kof, the pie, noth—kof, pie.” Joff took another drink, or tried to, but all the wine came spewing back out when another spate of coughing doubled him over. His face was turning red. “I, kof, I can’t, kof kof kof kof …” The chalice slipped from his hand and dark red wine went running across the dais.

“He’s choking,” Queen Margaery gasped.

Her grandmother moved to her side. “Help the poor boy!” the Queen of Thorns screeched, in a voice ten times her size. “Dolts! Will you all stand about gaping? Help your king!”

Ser Garlan shoved Tyrion aside and began to pound Joffrey on the back. Ser Osmund Kettleblack ripped open the king’s collar. A fearful high thin sound emerged from the boy’s throat, the sound of a man trying to suck a river through a reed; then it stopped, and that was more terrible still. “Turn him over!” Mace Tyrell bellowed at everyone and no one. “Turn him over, shake him by his heels!” A different voice was calling, “Water, give him some water!” The High Septon began to pray loudly. Grand Maester Pycelle shouted for someone to help him back to his chambers, to fetch “his potions. Joffrey began to claw at his throat, his nails tearing bloody gouges in the flesh. Beneath the skin, the muscles stood out hard as stone. Prince Tommen was screaming and crying.

He is going to die, Tyrion realized. He felt curiously calm, though pandemonium raged all about him. They were pounding Joff on the back again, but his face was only growing darker. Dogs were barking, children were wailing, men were shouting useless advice at each other. Half the wedding guests were on their feet, some shoving at each other for a better view, others rushing for the doors in their haste to get away.

Ser Meryn pried the king’s mouth open to jam a spoon down his throat. As he did, the boy’s eyes met Tyrion’s. He has Jaime’s eyes. Only he had never seen Jaime look so scared. The boy’s only thirteen. Joffrey was making a dry clacking noise, trying to speak. His eyes bulged white with terror, and he lifted a hand … reaching for his uncle, or pointing … Is he begging my forgiveness, or does he think I can save him? “Noooo,” Cersei wailed, “Father help him, someone help him, my son, my son …”

 

[KarmaPolice]

In the book didn't Joffrey claw/scratch/gouge at his neck trying to get air?

Maybe - why?

I think a lot of people wanted a more brutal death for that turd.

Here is the book excerpt:

Spoiler

Its, kof, the pie, nothkof, pie. Joff took another drink, or tried to, but all the wine came spewing back out when another spate of coughing doubled him over. His face was turning red. I, kof, I cant, kof kof kof kof The chalice slipped from his hand and dark red wine went running across the dais.

Hes choking, Queen Margaery gasped.

Her grandmother moved to her side. Help the poor boy! the Queen of Thorns screeched, in a voice ten times her size. Dolts! Will you all stand about gaping? Help your king!

Ser Garlan shoved Tyrion aside and began to pound Joffrey on the back. Ser Osmund Kettleblack ripped open the kings collar. A fearful high thin sound emerged from the boys throat, the sound of a man trying to suck a river through a reed; then it stopped, and that was more terrible still. Turn him over! Mace Tyrell bellowed at everyone and no one. Turn him over, shake him by his heels! A different voice was calling, Water, give him some water! The High Septon began to pray loudly. Grand Maester Pycelle shouted for someone to help him back to his chambers, to fetch his potions. Joffrey began to claw at his throat, his nails tearing bloody gouges in the flesh. Beneath the skin, the muscles stood out hard as stone. Prince Tommen was screaming and crying.

He is going to die, Tyrion realized. He felt curiously calm, though pandemonium raged all about him. They were pounding Joff on the back again, but his face was only growing darker. Dogs were barking, children were wailing, men were shouting useless advice at each other. Half the wedding guests were on their feet, some shoving at each other for a better view, others rushing for the doors in their haste to get away.

Ser Meryn pried the kings mouth open to jam a spoon down his throat. As he did, the boys eyes met Tyrions. He has Jaimes eyes. Only he had never seen Jaime look so scared. The boys only thirteen. Joffrey was making a dry clacking noise, trying to speak. His eyes bulged white with terror, and he lifted a hand reaching for his uncle, or pointing Is he begging my forgiveness, or does he think I can save him? Noooo, Cersei wailed, Father help him, someone help him, my son, my son

definitely not a fun way to go. I am sure some wanted the bolton ******* to go to town on him or something on those lines.

 

[Clifford]

One thing I did find unusual is that by this point in the book, Balon Greyjoy is rumored to be dead. I say that because IIRC, there hasn't been a first person description of it; just heresay. I wonder if they've kept him alive because they're going to combine him with maybe one of his brothers or something?

well in the show, he was a burned leech too, so Im guessing that they will off him at somepoint.

They certainly havent spent alot of time on the ironborn in a while besides theon

Last season they mentioned Greyjoy was dead when Stannis was sentencing Davos to death. Right after he freed Gendry (Edric Storm).

 

[Thunderlips]

One thing I did find unusual is that by this point in the book, Balon Greyjoy is rumored to be dead. I say that because IIRC, there hasn't been a first person description of it; just heresay. I wonder if they've kept him alive because they're going to combine him with maybe one of his brothers or something?

well in the show, he was a burned leech too, so Im guessing that they will off him at somepoint.

They certainly havent spent alot of time on the ironborn in a while besides theon

Last season they mentioned Greyjoy was dead when Stannis was sentencing Davos to death. Right after he freed Gendry (Edric Storm).

You sure thats right? Balon was in the last episode of the season when he got mailed Theon's Toy.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I think they did a good job of hiding Olenna taking the stone off of Sansa's necklace.

You can see her playing with Sansa's hair, but they don't explicitly show her taking a stone off of it. If you look though, the stone on Sansa's upper left is missing.

Can someone remind me, where in the books is it confirmed this is what happened? Did Olenna then pass the stone to Margaery or did Olenna drop it in the wine goblet herself? My recollection is that the actual murder plot and how it was carried out is still rather vague, particularly as to who all was in the know. Varys and Littlefinger were both seemingly in on it, all the Tyrells and of course Dontos - anyone else?

 

[=Smackdown=]

In the book didn't Joffrey claw/scratch/gouge at his neck trying to get air?

Maybe - why?

I think a lot of people wanted a more brutal death for that turd.

Correct

The gouging/clawing at the skin of his throat trying to get air stuck with me from the book. Expected are more painful shocking death from the show.

 

[Amused to Death]

I think they did a good job of hiding Olenna taking the stone off of Sansa's necklace.

You can see her playing with Sansa's hair, but they don't explicitly show her taking a stone off of it. If you look though, the stone on Sansa's upper left is missing.

Can someone remind me, where in the books is it confirmed this is what happened? Did Olenna then pass the stone to Margaery or did Olenna drop it in the wine goblet herself? My recollection is that the actual murder plot and how it was carried out is still rather vague, particularly as to who all was in the know. Varys and Littlefinger were both seemingly in on it, all the Tyrells and of course Dontos - anyone else?

Glad someone else posted this because I'm wondering the same thing. My memories of the written story are admitted foggy in a lot of areas, but I don't remember a definitive description of who actually committed the murder. My memory of it is that Tyrion/Sansa are accused and events unfold from there, but I don't recall Olenna being identified as the true killer. Last night seemed to implement her for sure though.

 

[Sabertooth]

That's my recollection of it.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Malloy just can't get any takers on his schtick. Poor guy.

100% non-shtick.

 

[thecatch]

I think they did a good job of hiding Olenna taking the stone off of Sansa's necklace.

You can see her playing with Sansa's hair, but they don't explicitly show her taking a stone off of it. If you look though, the stone on Sansa's upper left is missing.

Can someone remind me, where in the books is it confirmed this is what happened? Did Olenna then pass the stone to Margaery or did Olenna drop it in the wine goblet herself? My recollection is that the actual murder plot and how it was carried out is still rather vague, particularly as to who all was in the know. Varys and Littlefinger were both seemingly in on it, all the Tyrells and of course Dontos - anyone else?

I'm pretty sure it is explained at some point in the book- maybe in one of Littlefinger's chapters?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

They never came out and say who did it, but if you read closely it's Lady Olenna. I don't recall whether Varys or Littlefinger were directly involved, but it would make sense.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I think they did a good job of hiding Olenna taking the stone off of Sansa's necklace.

You can see her playing with Sansa's hair, but they don't explicitly show her taking a stone off of it. If you look though, the stone on Sansa's upper left is missing.

Can someone remind me, where in the books is it confirmed this is what happened? Did Olenna then pass the stone to Margaery or did Olenna drop it in the wine goblet herself? My recollection is that the actual murder plot and how it was carried out is still rather vague, particularly as to who all was in the know. Varys and Littlefinger were both seemingly in on it, all the Tyrells and of course Dontos - anyone else?

I'm pretty sure it is explained at some point in the book- maybe in one of Littlefinger's chapters?

Sheesh. So much to remember/forget. Don't recall this at all (but I believe you).

 

[Rick James]

I think they did a good job of hiding Olenna taking the stone off of Sansa's necklace.

You can see her playing with Sansa's hair, but they don't explicitly show her taking a stone off of it. If you look though, the stone on Sansa's upper left is missing.

Can someone remind me, where in the books is it confirmed this is what happened? Did Olenna then pass the stone to Margaery or did Olenna drop it in the wine goblet herself? My recollection is that the actual murder plot and how it was carried out is still rather vague, particularly as to who all was in the know. Varys and Littlefinger were both seemingly in on it, all the Tyrells and of course Dontos - anyone else?

Glad someone else posted this because I'm wondering the same thing. My memories of the written story are admitted foggy in a lot of areas, but I don't remember a definitive description of who actually committed the murder. My memory of it is that Tyrion/Sansa are accused and events unfold from there, but I don't recall Olenna being identified as the true killer. Last night seemed to implement her for sure though.

It isn't "known" to Westeros, but Littlefinger spells it out pretty clearly to Sansa during their trip to the Eyrie. He helps her put it together. If I recall he asks her "did anyone give you something before the wedding" (or something to that effect).

 

[psychobillies]

While we're at it, can someone explain the need for Sansa to smuggle the "stone" in on her hairnet/necklace? Why wouldn't the poisoner just stick it in their pocket? Seems like a lot of effort and slight of hand to accomplish something that should have been rather simple.

 

[Amused to Death]

I think they did a good job of hiding Olenna taking the stone off of Sansa's necklace.

You can see her playing with Sansa's hair, but they don't explicitly show her taking a stone off of it. If you look though, the stone on Sansa's upper left is missing.

Can someone remind me, where in the books is it confirmed this is what happened? Did Olenna then pass the stone to Margaery or did Olenna drop it in the wine goblet herself? My recollection is that the actual murder plot and how it was carried out is still rather vague, particularly as to who all was in the know. Varys and Littlefinger were both seemingly in on it, all the Tyrells and of course Dontos - anyone else?

Glad someone else posted this because I'm wondering the same thing. My memories of the written story are admitted foggy in a lot of areas, but I don't remember a definitive description of who actually committed the murder. My memory of it is that Tyrion/Sansa are accused and events unfold from there, but I don't recall Olenna being identified as the true killer. Last night seemed to implement her for sure though.

It isn't "known" to Westeros, but Littlefinger spells it out pretty clearly to Sansa during their trip to the Eyrie. He helps her put it together. If I recall he asks her "did anyone give you something before the wedding" (or something to that effect).

Thanks. At some point I'll have to go back and re-read book 3.

 

[CBusAlex]

While we're at it, can someone explain the need for Sansa to smuggle the "stone" in on her hairnet/necklace? Why wouldn't the poisoner just stick it in their pocket? Seems like a lot of effort and slight of hand to accomplish something that should have been rather simple.

So that Sansa takes the fall if the metal detector picks it up going through security.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

long overblown discussion of the plot here.

 

[(HULK)]

While we're at it, can someone explain the need for Sansa to smuggle the "stone" in on her hairnet/necklace? Why wouldn't the poisoner just stick it in their pocket? Seems like a lot of effort and slight of hand to accomplish something that should have been rather simple.

Part of framing Tyrion I think. Having the poison come from his wife's hairnet and then having his wife flee immediately set him up nicely.

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

While we're at it, can someone explain the need for Sansa to smuggle the "stone" in on her hairnet/necklace? Why wouldn't the poisoner just stick it in their pocket? Seems like a lot of effort and slight of hand to accomplish something that should have been rather simple.

In case the King decides to search pepole? Dontos can't be allowed in the King's prescence without being searched. Even if the plot is discovered before it happens it implicates Sansa and Tyrion not the Tyrells.

 

[psychobillies]

While we're at it, can someone explain the need for Sansa to smuggle the "stone" in on her hairnet/necklace? Why wouldn't the poisoner just stick it in their pocket? Seems like a lot of effort and slight of hand to accomplish something that should have been rather simple.

Part of framing Tyrion I think. Having the poison come from his wife's hairnet and then having his wife flee immediately set him up nicely.

OK, but does anyone know that it came from the hairnet? Tyrion? Cersei? Even Sansa? Her fleeing the scene is damning, but it still doesn't explain the whole point of Sansa wearing it in.

 

[EYLive]

While we're at it, can someone explain the need for Sansa to smuggle the "stone" in on her hairnet/necklace? Why wouldn't the poisoner just stick it in their pocket? Seems like a lot of effort and slight of hand to accomplish something that should have been rather simple.

Part of framing Tyrion I think. Having the poison come from his wife's hairnet and then having his wife flee immediately set him up nicely.

I don't think framing Tyrion was part of the plan. No one could have foreseen Joffrey tormenting Tyrion and forcing him to be his cupbearer.

 

[psychobillies]

While we're at it, can someone explain the need for Sansa to smuggle the "stone" in on her hairnet/necklace? Why wouldn't the poisoner just stick it in their pocket? Seems like a lot of effort and slight of hand to accomplish something that should have been rather simple.

In case the King decides to search pepole? Dontos can't be allowed in the King's prescence without being searched. Even if the plot is discovered before it happens it implicates Sansa and Tyrion not the Tyrells.

I guess this makes the most sense. If the plot was discovered ahead of time, nobody would want the poison in their pocket.

 

[Sinn Fein]

So - has Bron already been bought by Tywin at this point? Maybe explaining why Shae will end up with Tywin instead of on the boat?

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

When, in terms of which book, does Arya get to Bravos?

I am trying to figure out what is going to fill the next 8 episodes. 5 episodes of Tyrion in the clink seems like a lot. I have a feeling we won't see much of Kings Landing for a good spell (until the leadup to the trial and the resolution of that whole story line).

 

[Rick James]

While we're at it, can someone explain the need for Sansa to smuggle the "stone" in on her hairnet/necklace? Why wouldn't the poisoner just stick it in their pocket? Seems like a lot of effort and slight of hand to accomplish something that should have been rather simple.

Part of framing Tyrion I think. Having the poison come from his wife's hairnet and then having his wife flee immediately set him up nicely.

I don't think framing Tyrion was part of the plan. No one could have foreseen Joffrey tormenting Tyrion and forcing him to be his cupbearer.

Even if Joffrey never said a word to Tyrion, Littlefinger had to know that Cersei would immediately suspect Tyrion as the killer.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

When, in terms of which book, does Arya get to Bravos?

I am trying to figure out what is going to fill the next 8 episodes. 5 episodes of Tyrion in the clink seems like a lot. I have a feeling we won't see much of Kings Landing for a good spell (until the leadup to the trial and the resolution of that whole story line).

Extended scenes of King Tommen playing with Ser Pounce?

 

[KarmaPolice]

While we're at it, can someone explain the need for Sansa to smuggle the "stone" in on her hairnet/necklace? Why wouldn't the poisoner just stick it in their pocket? Seems like a lot of effort and slight of hand to accomplish something that should have been rather simple.

Part of framing Tyrion I think. Having the poison come from his wife's hairnet and then having his wife flee immediately set him up nicely.

I don't think framing Tyrion was part of the plan. No one could have foreseen Joffrey tormenting Tyrion and forcing him to be his cupbearer.

Even if Joffrey never said a word to Tyrion, Littlefinger had to know that Cersei would immediately suspect Tyrion as the killer.

he did threaten joffrey at the small counsel meeting just a short time before thw wedding.

 

[Clifford]

I think they did a good job of hiding Olenna taking the stone off of Sansa's necklace.

You can see her playing with Sansa's hair, but they don't explicitly show her taking a stone off of it. If you look though, the stone on Sansa's upper left is missing.

Can someone remind me, where in the books is it confirmed this is what happened? Did Olenna then pass the stone to Margaery or did Olenna drop it in the wine goblet herself? My recollection is that the actual murder plot and how it was carried out is still rather vague, particularly as to who all was in the know. Varys and Littlefinger were both seemingly in on it, all the Tyrells and of course Dontos - anyone else?

I'm pretty sure it is explained at some point in the book- maybe in one of Littlefinger's chapters?

It's not revealed until Sansa is betrayed by Dontos and on the boat with Littlefinger. Littlefinger tells her, but I don't remember details on who actually dropped the poison.

 

[Sinn Fein]

When, in terms of which book, does Arya get to Bravos?

I am trying to figure out what is going to fill the next 8 episodes. 5 episodes of Tyrion in the clink seems like a lot. I have a feeling we won't see much of Kings Landing for a good spell (until the leadup to the trial and the resolution of that whole story line).

Feast of Crows - chapter 6

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

When, in terms of which book, does Arya get to Bravos?

I am trying to figure out what is going to fill the next 8 episodes. 5 episodes of Tyrion in the clink seems like a lot. I have a feeling we won't see much of Kings Landing for a good spell (until the leadup to the trial and the resolution of that whole story line).

Extended scenes of King Tommen playing with Ser Pounce?

I noticed they aged him a bit, which is a shame. (it didn't look like the same actor but maybe it was, time flies).

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

When, in terms of which book, does Arya get to Bravos?

I am trying to figure out what is going to fill the next 8 episodes. 5 episodes of Tyrion in the clink seems like a lot. I have a feeling we won't see much of Kings Landing for a good spell (until the leadup to the trial and the resolution of that whole story line).

You serious, Clark?

 

[KarmaPolice]

I guess what I was always hazy on is how involved where other players. were littlefinger and varys in on it, or did they just know through their spies.

starting at the start of the series again, so I know I will catch a ton more stuff this time around.

 

[strykerpks]

I think they did a good job of hiding Olenna taking the stone off of Sansa's necklace.

You can see her playing with Sansa's hair, but they don't explicitly show her taking a stone off of it. If you look though, the stone on Sansa's upper left is missing.

Can someone remind me, where in the books is it confirmed this is what happened? Did Olenna then pass the stone to Margaery or did Olenna drop it in the wine goblet herself? My recollection is that the actual murder plot and how it was carried out is still rather vague, particularly as to who all was in the know. Varys and Littlefinger were both seemingly in on it, all the Tyrells and of course Dontos - anyone else?

I'm pretty sure it is explained at some point in the book- maybe in one of Littlefinger's chapters?

It's not revealed until Sansa is betrayed by Dontos and on the boat with Littlefinger. Littlefinger tells her, but I don't remember details on who actually dropped the poison.

Doesn't Littlefinger have his cronies kill Dontos even before he's on their boat? I only read that part about 2 months ago but it feels like years

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

When, in terms of which book, does Arya get to Bravos?

I am trying to figure out what is going to fill the next 8 episodes. 5 episodes of Tyrion in the clink seems like a lot. I have a feeling we won't see much of Kings Landing for a good spell (until the leadup to the trial and the resolution of that whole story line).

You serious, Clark?

sorta, ya. They've manipulated the time line a quite a bit and I have a feeling we might be getting a lot of Feast content pretty quickly here. The Princess Marcella dialogue was interesting last night. Seemed like a pretty big reminder and foreshadowing for the TV viewers.

Book 3 major content left:

Spoiler

Trial + Trial by Combat

Privy

Wall Attack + Lord Commander/Winterfell

Meereen + Mormont Exile

The Vale

What's left for Arya this season? Bran? Stannis?

Spoiler

(unless they spoil his arrival at the wall, there isn't much more to tell - maybe a few scenes, the post-battle offer made to Jon).

I would not be surprised if we see a bit more of the Dornish story, ahead of next season. Maybe a little more Bran too (he is already out in front of Storm of Swords at this point).

My primary takeaway from last night was "####, they really are going to have to go on hiatus".

 

[Amused to Death]

I think they did a good job of hiding Olenna taking the stone off of Sansa's necklace.

You can see her playing with Sansa's hair, but they don't explicitly show her taking a stone off of it. If you look though, the stone on Sansa's upper left is missing.

Can someone remind me, where in the books is it confirmed this is what happened? Did Olenna then pass the stone to Margaery or did Olenna drop it in the wine goblet herself? My recollection is that the actual murder plot and how it was carried out is still rather vague, particularly as to who all was in the know. Varys and Littlefinger were both seemingly in on it, all the Tyrells and of course Dontos - anyone else?

I'm pretty sure it is explained at some point in the book- maybe in one of Littlefinger's chapters?

It's not revealed until Sansa is betrayed by Dontos and on the boat with Littlefinger. Littlefinger tells her, but I don't remember details on who actually dropped the poison.

Doesn't Littlefinger have his cronies kill Dontos even before he's on their boat? I only read that part about 2 months ago but it feels like years

My recollection - yes Dontos is killed, but he was never supposed to board the boat. After Sansa is aboard Dontos begins to make his way back to King's Landing and Littlefinger has him killed so he's not a "loose end" so to speak.