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HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (2 Viewers)
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Clifford
Footballguy
The fact that Tyrian ultimately has no one and is a complete outcast is a pretty major theme of the series. His greatest love is a whore, his best friend a sellsword. Martin really does a great job with his character. Probably doesn't get the credit he deserves for character development because he's a fantasy author.sn0mm1s said:
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
No, I don't think that is likely at all. Varys was willing to let Tyrion die and wasn't willing to testify on his behalf. The only reason he released him was because Jaime threatened him at sword point. I think too many readers assume you must be a Targ to ride a dragon and, because Martin likes Tyrion, that he must be a Targ. If Tyrion becomes a dragon rider it will likely be due to coming into possession of the horn that Euron/Victarion plan on using.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Been so long since I've read these books. Is that how it went down? Seems right but I don't recall.wdcrob said:
flysack
Footballguy
Well said. Pretty much my opinion as well, though I do think you need to possess some Targ blood to ride the dragons. Perhaps because of how the dragons acted around the leader of the Golden Company, a man with very distant and highly diluted Targ blood, but even then they were much calmer around him, something that Martin was careful to note for the reader.
I think the Ironman (and any others) are going to be in for a big nasty surprise if they think the horn will make the dragons totally submissive to their will. You need Targ blood as well. The dragons are already a bit resistant and willful to Dany (though she IS the mother of dragons and CAN ride them, being impervious to their fire - an Uber Targ, if you will). The horn probably makes them more controllable to those they're already drawn to, i.e. Targs. If an Ironman tries it, #1 the horn will kill whoever blows it and #2 the dragons will roast that mofo anyway.
flysack
Footballguy
I don't recall Bronn ever betraying Tyrion. From my foggy memory this is how it went down. They met, Bronn apologized in an almost Varys-like way, saying he would help but it was a near no-win situation and he wasn't about to sacrifice himself.
Tyrion and Bron excerpt:
“Bronn shrugged. “You once told me that if anyone ever asked me to sell you out, you’d double the price.”
Yes. “Is it two wives you want, or two castles?”
“One of each would serve. But if you want me to kill Gregor Clegane for you, it had best be a damned big castle.”
***
“I find myself woefully short of both castles and highborn maidens at the moment,” Tyrion admitted. “But I can offer you gold and gratitude, as before.”
“I have gold. What can I buy with gratitude?”
“You might be surprised. A Lannister pays his debts.”
“Your sister is a Lannister too.”
***
“If he didn’t frighten me, I’d be a bloody fool.” Bronn gave a shrug. “Might be I could take him. Dance around him until he was so tired of hacking at me that he couldn’t lift his sword. Get him off his feet somehow. When they’re flat on their backs it don’t matter how tall they are. Even so, it’s chancy. One misstep and I’m dead. Why should I risk it? I like you well enough, ugly little whoreson that you are … but if I fight your battle, I lose either way. Either the Mountain spills my guts, or I kill him and lose Stokeworth. I sell my sword, I don’t give it away. I’m not your bloody brother.”
“No,” said Tyrion sadly. “You’re not.” He waved a hand. “Begone, then. Run to Stokeworth and Lady Lollys. May you find more joy in your marriage bed than I ever found in mine.”
Bronn hesitated at the door. “What will you do, Imp?”
“Kill Gregor myself. Won’t that make for a jolly song?”
“I hope I hear them sing it.” Bronn grinned one last time, and walked out of the door, the castle, and his life.”
Yes. “Is it two wives you want, or two castles?”
“One of each would serve. But if you want me to kill Gregor Clegane for you, it had best be a damned big castle.”
***
“I find myself woefully short of both castles and highborn maidens at the moment,” Tyrion admitted. “But I can offer you gold and gratitude, as before.”
“I have gold. What can I buy with gratitude?”
“You might be surprised. A Lannister pays his debts.”
“Your sister is a Lannister too.”
***
“If he didn’t frighten me, I’d be a bloody fool.” Bronn gave a shrug. “Might be I could take him. Dance around him until he was so tired of hacking at me that he couldn’t lift his sword. Get him off his feet somehow. When they’re flat on their backs it don’t matter how tall they are. Even so, it’s chancy. One misstep and I’m dead. Why should I risk it? I like you well enough, ugly little whoreson that you are … but if I fight your battle, I lose either way. Either the Mountain spills my guts, or I kill him and lose Stokeworth. I sell my sword, I don’t give it away. I’m not your bloody brother.”
“No,” said Tyrion sadly. “You’re not.” He waved a hand. “Begone, then. Run to Stokeworth and Lady Lollys. May you find more joy in your marriage bed than I ever found in mine.”
Bronn hesitated at the door. “What will you do, Imp?”
“Kill Gregor myself. Won’t that make for a jolly song?”
“I hope I hear them sing it.” Bronn grinned one last time, and walked out of the door, the castle, and his life.”
Rick James
Footballguy
I think you guys are mis-remembering Varys's role in Tywin's death. He practically goads Tyrion up to the tower, knowing full well that he would find Shae in bed with his father. Of course Varys knew what was going to happen.
And don't forget Varys kills Tywin's brother himself.
And don't forget Varys kills Tywin's brother himself.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Yeah... this is one that seems obvious. If you strip out all of the false protests...
230 rungs.
The tunnel to the left.
No more than 60 feet.
Keep your hand on the wall as you go. You will feel the doors.
The bedchamber is the third.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Right.....
Varys tells Kevan that he was doing too good of a job in straightening out the realm. If Vary's goal is for the realm to be in dissary in order for Aegon to be able to return a conquerer....he'd want Tywin (who with Tommen the King and much more malleable and kind than Jofferey) out of the picture.
That's why Littlefinger, not Varys was behind the murder of Joffery....
To me, the Littlefinger v. Varys battle is the real one. What does Littlefinger want? There are some theories that he's actually the hero in this whole thing as he's looking for a society based on merit rather than name and title.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
in reading the above section yesterday, I was reminded of Tywin's closing remark:
You are no son of mine...
I think it's a little too bizarre. Hope it doesn't play out that way. But, you never know.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
Thunderlips
Footballguy
I don't like it......and I think it'd be a bit too convienent. Did Tywin tell Tyrion that "since he couldn't prove he wasn't his son" in the show?
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
No way.
1) Varys doesn't arm Tyrion.
2) Varys also knows that there are guards on the door to the chambers.
3) Varys knows both Shae and Tywin are in the bedchamber - but doesn't know where they are or what they are doing.
4) The only reason Tyrion even knows that he could get to the Hand's chambers is because of something Shae told him - Varys didn't bring it up at all.
5) For Tyrion to kill Tywin he would have to find a weapon, catch Tywin and Shae unaware and unarmed, and kill them before they call for guards.
That is a lot to assume would go right for Tyrion to murder both of them.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
If they were sleeping (as seems reasonable) none of that would have mattered much. There were weapons in the room too.
Rick James
Footballguy
Sure was convenient for there to be a stool right next to that crossbow hanging on the wall. I think you're seriously underestimating Varys here.
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
The guy isn't omniscient nor can he teleport. Jaime woke him up and forced him at swordpoint to get Tyrion out. It isn't like Varys could go into the bedchamber and place a crossbow (the only weapon that an awake Tywin wouldn't be able defend himself against with a weapon of his own).
Varys has made plenty of errors in judgment.
1) Ned Stark's death
2) Viserys death.
3) The actions of Daenerys (staying in Essos rather than coming to Westeros)
4) Murdering of Robert's bastards
5) Losing Arya Stark
6) Dealing with Melisandre
Those are just off the top of my head. Yes, he is a great schemer but do you really think he placed weapons for Tyrion in Tywin's room on the offchance that Tyrion would recognize the mosaic on the floor in a place he has never been? Climb up a 10-20 story building? Stealthily find a weapon, arm himself, then be able to kill both Tywin and Shae without alerting anyone?
Thunderlips
Footballguy
I think he's actually as omniscient and all knowing as any character in the books; except in regards to the affairs of Littlefinger. Come on...this is the guy that invented a dungeon keeper to play.
Plus, if his goal is to weaken the realm (which he said it was) 1 and 4 serve that purpose.
Tyrion with Varys excerpt:
In the bedchamber:
“Tyrion walked slowly to the ladder, ran his hand across the lowest rung. “This will take me up to my bedchamber.”
“Your lord father’s bedchamber now.”
He looked up the shaft. “How far must I climb?”
“My lord, you are too weak for such follies, and there is besides no time. We must go.”
“I have business above. How far?”
“Two hundred and thirty rungs, but whatever you intend—”
“Two hundred and thirty rungs, and then?”
“The tunnel to the left, but hear me—”
“How far along to the bedchamber?” Tyrion lifted a foot to the lowest rung of the ladder.
“No more than sixty feet. Keep one hand on the wall as you go. You will feel the doors. The bedchamber is the third.” He sighed. “This is folly, my lord. Your brother has given you your life back. Would you cast it away, and mine with it?”
“Your lord father’s bedchamber now.”
He looked up the shaft. “How far must I climb?”
“My lord, you are too weak for such follies, and there is besides no time. We must go.”
“I have business above. How far?”
“Two hundred and thirty rungs, but whatever you intend—”
“Two hundred and thirty rungs, and then?”
“The tunnel to the left, but hear me—”
“How far along to the bedchamber?” Tyrion lifted a foot to the lowest rung of the ladder.
“No more than sixty feet. Keep one hand on the wall as you go. You will feel the doors. The bedchamber is the third.” He sighed. “This is folly, my lord. Your brother has given you your life back. Would you cast it away, and mine with it?”
“Tyrion slid a hand under his father’s chain, and twisted. The links tightened, digging into her neck. “For hands of gold are always cold, but a woman’s hands are warm,” he said. He gave cold hands another twist as the warm ones beat away his tears.
Afterward he found Lord Tywin’s dagger on the bedside table and shoved it through his belt. A lion-headed mace, a poleaxe, and a crossbow had been hung on the walls. The poleaxe would be clumsy to wield inside a castle, and the mace was too high to reach, but a large wood-and-iron chest had been placed against the wall directly under the crossbow. He climbed up, pulled down the bow and a leather quiver packed with quarrels, jammed a foot into the stirrup, and pushed down until the bowstring cocked. Then he slipped a bolt into the notch.”
***
“Oh, yes. Your first whore.”
Tyrion took aim at his father’s chest. “The next time you say that word, I’ll kill you.”
***
“On her way where?”
“Wherever whores go.”
Tyrion’s finger clenched. The crossbow whanged just as Lord Tywin started to rise. The bolt slammed into him above the groin and he sat back down with a grunt. The quarrel had sunk deep, right to the fletching. Blood seeped out around the shaft, dripping down into his pubic hair and over his bare thighs. “You shot me,” he said incredulously, his eyes glassy with shock.
“You always were quick to grasp a situation, my lord,” Tyrion said. “That must be why you’re the Hand of the King.”
“You … you are no … no son of mine.”
***
“Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, #### gold.”
Afterward he found Lord Tywin’s dagger on the bedside table and shoved it through his belt. A lion-headed mace, a poleaxe, and a crossbow had been hung on the walls. The poleaxe would be clumsy to wield inside a castle, and the mace was too high to reach, but a large wood-and-iron chest had been placed against the wall directly under the crossbow. He climbed up, pulled down the bow and a leather quiver packed with quarrels, jammed a foot into the stirrup, and pushed down until the bowstring cocked. Then he slipped a bolt into the notch.”
***
“Oh, yes. Your first whore.”
Tyrion took aim at his father’s chest. “The next time you say that word, I’ll kill you.”
***
“On her way where?”
“Wherever whores go.”
Tyrion’s finger clenched. The crossbow whanged just as Lord Tywin started to rise. The bolt slammed into him above the groin and he sat back down with a grunt. The quarrel had sunk deep, right to the fletching. Blood seeped out around the shaft, dripping down into his pubic hair and over his bare thighs. “You shot me,” he said incredulously, his eyes glassy with shock.
“You always were quick to grasp a situation, my lord,” Tyrion said. “That must be why you’re the Hand of the King.”
“You … you are no … no son of mine.”
***
“Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, #### gold.”
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
parrot
Footballguy
He also says something very similar to Jaime when he refuses to leave the King's Guard IIRC.
(HULK)
(Smash)
I'm not sure what the quote was in the book, but on the show I believe he said (of the Valyrian steel sword), "Keep it. A man with no hand and no family needs a weapon" or something close to that anyways.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
That's about as close to loyalty and friendship as Bronn gets. He's a very honest character and Tyrion knows what he says to be true. I think Tyrion means it when he lets him know that he understands.
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
That quote about the sword wasn't in the book - I don't recall a line from Tywin like that at all.
The Tyrion is a Targ hinges on three things IIRC
1) He dreams of dragons
2) He liked playing with fire at Casterly Rock as a kid
3) When he asks his father to recognize him as his heir after the Battle of the Blackwater, Tywin says something like, "Laws of men let you use my name and wear my lions because I cannot prove that you are not mine."
Book:
“NO!” Jaime had heard all that he could stand. No, more than he could stand. He was sick of it, sick of lords and lies, sick of his father, his sister, sick of the whole bloody business. “No. No. No. No. No. How many times must I say no before you’ll hear it? Oberyn Martell? The man’s infamous, and not just for poisoning his sword. He has more bastards than Robert, and beds with boys as well. And if you think for one misbegotten moment that I would wed Joffrey’s widow …”
“Lord Tyrell swears the girl’s still maiden.”
“She can die a maiden as far as I’m concerned. I don’t want her, and I don’t want your Rock!”
“You are my son—”
“I am a knight of the Kingsguard. The Lord Commander of the Kingsguard! And that’s all I mean to be!”
Firelight gleamed golden in the stiff whiskers that framed Lord Tywin’s face. A vein pulsed in his neck, but he did not speak. And did not speak. And did not speak.
The strained silence went on until it was more than Jaime could endure. “Father …” he began.
“You are not my son.” Lord Tywin turned his face away. “You say you are the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, and only that. Very well, ser. Go do your duty.”
“Lord Tyrell swears the girl’s still maiden.”
“She can die a maiden as far as I’m concerned. I don’t want her, and I don’t want your Rock!”
“You are my son—”
“I am a knight of the Kingsguard. The Lord Commander of the Kingsguard! And that’s all I mean to be!”
Firelight gleamed golden in the stiff whiskers that framed Lord Tywin’s face. A vein pulsed in his neck, but he did not speak. And did not speak. And did not speak.
The strained silence went on until it was more than Jaime could endure. “Father …” he began.
“You are not my son.” Lord Tywin turned his face away. “You say you are the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, and only that. Very well, ser. Go do your duty.”
parrot
Footballguy
Yes, I'm talking about the book;
The strained silence went on until it was more than Jaime could endure. “Father…” he began.
“You are not my son.” Lord Tywin turned his face away. “You say you are the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, and only that. Very well, ser. Go do your duty.”
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
So in the show, Bran is already past the wall? I can't remember
parrot
Footballguy
Yes, Sam and Gilly showed them the secret passage at the bottom of the well in The NightFort at the end of last season.
strykerpks
Footballguy
Yeah, at the end of last season, they ran into Sam and Gilly at Nightfort. There was no magic and no mention of cold hands, he just led them to the tunnel underneath the wall.
Swing 51
Footballguy
parrot
Footballguy
Notorious T.R.E.
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This LINK has a good bit of info about upcoming episodes. Between episode names and the cast of new characters you can see a lot of what we're going to get.
Obviously if you want to be surprised, don't click the link or this spoiler (not the best cut/paste ever):
Obviously if you want to be surprised, don't click the link or this spoiler (not the best cut/paste ever):
Confirmed recurring cast members:
New cast members
New Characters
Recast Characters
- Ian McElhinney as Ser Barristan Selmy[19]
- Nathalie Emmanuel as Missandei[19]
- Ciaran Hinds as Mance Rayder, the "King Beyond the Wall"[37]
- Dominic Carter as Lord Janos Slynt[38]
- Owen Teale as Ser Alliser Thorne[39]
- Peter Vaughan as Maester Aemon[40]
- Julian Glover as Grand Maester Pycelle[41]
- Finn Jones as Ser Loras Tyrell, the "Knight of the Flowers"[42]
- Anton Lesser as Qyburn[43]
- Daniel Portman as Podrick Payne[38]
- Gemma Whelan as Yara Greyjoy[43]
- Kate Dickie as Lady Lysa Arryn, Lady Regent of the Vale[38]
- Lino Facioli as Lord Robin Arryn[44]
- Thomas Brodie-Sangster as Jojen Reed[45]
- Ellie Kendrick as Meera Reed[46]
- Kristian Nairn as Hodor[47]
- Hannah Murray as Gilly[48]
- Mark Stanley as Grenn[49]
- Ben Crompton as Eddison Tollett[50]
- Josef Altin as Pyp[51]
- Luke Barnes as Rast[52]
- Burn Gorman as Karl[53]
- Jacob Anderson as Grey Worm[54]
- Tara Fitzgerald as Queen Selyse Baratheon[55]
- Kerry Ingram as Princess Shireen Baratheon[56]
- Natalia Tena as Osha[57]
- Art Parkinson as Prince Rickon Stark[58]
- Andy Beckwith as Rorge[38]
- Andy Kellegher as Polliver[59]
- Ian Beattie as Ser Meryn Trant[60]
- Tony Way as Dontos Hollard, "Dontos the Red"[24]
- Noah Taylor as Locke[61]
- Charlotte Hope as Myranda[62]
- Will Tudor as Olyver[63]
- Josephine Gillan as Marei[64]
- Pixie Le Knot as Kayla[65]
- Paul Bentley as the High Septon[66]
New cast members
New Characters
- Pedro Pascal as Prince Oberyn Martell, known as the "Red Viper of Dorne." Announced June 28 2013.[67]
- Octavia Alexandru as TBA. Announced July 2 2013[68]
- Mark Gatiss as Tycho Nestoris. Announced July 17 2013[69]
- Brenock O'Connor as TBA. Announced July 23 2013[70]
- Indira Varma as Ellaria Sand. Announced July 25 2013.[71]
- Roger Ashton-Griffiths as Lord Mace Tyrell, Lord of Highgarden, Warden of the South, Lord Paramount of the Reach. Announced July 29 2013[72]
- Joseph Gatt as TBA, Announced August 1 2013[73]
- Trixiebelle Harrowell as Farmer's daughter. Announced August 10 2013[74]
- Hoji Fortuna as TBA. Announced August 30 2013[75]
- Elizabeth Webster as Fat Walda Frey. Announced September 4 2013[61]
- Lu Corfield as Mole's Town madam. Announced September 4 2013[61]
- Rupert Vansittart as Lord Yohn Royce, known as "Bronze Yohn." Announced September 9 2013.[76]
- Sigur Rós as TBA. Announced September 10 2013[77]
- Gabrielle Dempsey as Innkeeper's daughter. Announced September 11 2013[78]
- Jane McGrath as TBA. Announced September 12 2013[79]
- Paola Dionisotti as Lady Anya Waynwood. Announced September 15 2013.[80]
- Alisdair Simpson as Ser Donnel Waynwood, the Knight of the Gate. Announced September 25 2013[81]
- Daniel Rabin as Lord Blackmont. Announced September 25 2013[81]
- Deirdre Monaghan as Morag. Announced September 25 2013[81][81]
- Saffie Jacobs as Craster's wife. Announced September 25 2013[81]
- Aeryn Walker as Craster's wife. Announced September 25 2013[81]
- Sarine Sofair as Lhara. Announced September 25 2013[81]
- Samantha Bentley as TBA. Announced September 25 2013[81]
- Anoushka Kellett as TBA. Announced September 25 2013[81]
- Jessica Jensen as TBA. Announced September 25 2013[81]
- Joel Fry as Hizdahr zo Loraq. Announced September 27 2013[82]
- Struan Rodger as TBA. Announced October 16 2013[83]
- Yuri Kolokolnikov as Styr, the Magnar of Thenn. Announced November 5 2013[84]
- Darren Kent as Goatherd. Announced November 14 2013[85]
- Alice Hewkin as TBA. Announced November 22 2013[86]
- TBA as Oznak zo Pahl. Announced December 16 2013[87]
- Patrick Molloy as Night's Watch Ranger. Announced January 4 2014[88]
- Gary Oliver as Braavosi Captain. Announced January 5 2014[89]
- TBA as Mag Mar Tun Doh Weg. Announced January 10 2014[66]
- Grahame Fox as Ralf Kenning. Announced January 27 2014[90]
- Tommy Dunne as TBA. Announced March 17 2014[91]
- Richard Doubleday as Ser Vance Corbray. Announced April 2 2014[92]
Recast Characters
- Michiel Huisman as Daario Naharis. Announced August 28 2013[93]
- Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson as Ser Gregor Clegane, "The Mountain that Rides". Announced August 30 2013[94]
- Dean-Charles Chapman as Prince Tommen Baratheon.[95]
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31 "Two Swords" April 6, 2014 Tyrion welcomes a guest to King's Landing. At Castle Black, Jon Snow finds himself unwelcome. Dany is pointed to Meereen, the mother of all slave cities. Arya runs into an old friend. 32 "The Lion and the Rose" April 13, 2014[105] A who's who of honored guests turns out for Joffrey and Margaery's wedding in King's Landing, but the king's taste in entertainment rubs many of them the wrong way. Meanwhile, Bronn gives a lesson to an unlikely pupil; Bran's vision helps map out his journey; Stannis loses patience with Davos; and Ramsay takes a perverse delight in his new pet. 33 "Breaker of Chains" April 20, 2014[106] In the frenzied aftermath of the royal wedding, Tyrion gets a visit from a loyal subject, but wonders if anyone in his family will help him out of his current predicament. Meanwhile, Tywin offers to work for the common good with a presumed enemy; Sam takes stock of the personnel at Castle Black; the Hound gives another life lesson to Arya; and Daenerys makes a decision outside the walls of Meereen. 34 "Oathkeeper" April 27, 2014[107] Dany balances justice and mercy. Jaime tasks Brienne with his honor. Jon secures volunteers while Bran, Jojen, Meera and Hodor stumble on shelter. 35 "First of His Name"[108] May 4, 2014[109] Synopsis to be announced. 36 "The Laws of Gods and Men" May 11, 2014[110] Synopsis to be announced. 37 "Mockingbird" May 18, 2014[111] Due to the Memorial Day holiday in the United States on May 25, there will be a one week break between episodes 7 and 8. Synopsis to be announced. 38 "The Mountain and the Viper" June 1, 2014[112] Synopsis to be announced. 39 "The Watchers on the Wall" June 8, 2014[113] Synopsis to be announced. 40 "The Children" June 15, 2014[114] Synopsis to be announced.Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I have no clue what they'll do with Bran next year after reading what they seem to have planned for the 4/27/14 episode.
Correct me if I'm wrong...this is the shelter they find, start the fire and all of the walkers come and they end up in the cave under the tree?
Correct me if I'm wrong...this is the shelter they find, start the fire and all of the walkers come and they end up in the cave under the tree?
Gr00vus
Footballguy
And the title of the 6/15 episode makes me think they finish the season in the cave with the children of the forest. Not much in the books for Bran & co after that right now.
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strykerpks
Footballguy
Apple prose of nothing, it took me until my season 3 re-watch to realize that Pycelle is the bad guy from The Last Crusade :headexplode:
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I didn't realize that was pycell!
That other thread is full of stupid. It's not just coming from a place of knowledge having read the books either. Just outright totally bad observations and predictions.
That other thread is full of stupid. It's not just coming from a place of knowledge having read the books either. Just outright totally bad observations and predictions.
flysack
Footballguy
Yea, they changed it so Sam never meets Coldhands. I think he was hinted at in the last episode though. Martin had Bran touch a godtree, which let him communicate with either the green seer or Coldhands. One of the images he sees is a burst of ravens flying across a wintry landscape. My guess is that's Coldhands waiting for him.
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
that wad the book tyrion gave him that he hacked up???!!!
I hope that was a joke
flysack
Footballguy
Looks like this season will go out with the trial by combat, then Stannis arriving at the wall, then Bran meeting the green seer.
All next season I imagine they'll draw out Bran's training in the cave while we get loads of Dany whining in Mereen, Arya training in Bravoos, and Tyrion traveling to Dany. Oh, and Brienne wandering around Westeros as well.
ETA: Season 5 ends with Jon getting stabbed? Hmmmm....
By then I pray Martin releases Winds of Winter.
All next season I imagine they'll draw out Bran's training in the cave while we get loads of Dany whining in Mereen, Arya training in Bravoos, and Tyrion traveling to Dany. Oh, and Brienne wandering around Westeros as well.
ETA: Season 5 ends with Jon getting stabbed? Hmmmm....
By then I pray Martin releases Winds of Winter.
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Thunderlips
Footballguy
Coldhands, along with Robert Strong are two things that would probably be left out of the show. A little to odd for the mainstream viewers.
CBusAlex
Footballguy
"But why would so-and-so have motive to kill Joffrey?"
Uh, dude, have you seen Joffrey? That's like asking why anyone would want to kill Hitler.
Rick James
Footballguy
The questions in the TV thread are hilarious. Look at this one...
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Who is the rightful heir to the throne if it was found out that Cersie's offspring were not of Baratheon blood? And it seems that many characters either know or infer that Cersie and Kingslayer are lovers, why is it not also well known that her offspring are probably not Roberts as well. Always thought this was weird.
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Lmao. What show is this guy watching?
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Who is the rightful heir to the throne if it was found out that Cersie's offspring were not of Baratheon blood? And it seems that many characters either know or infer that Cersie and Kingslayer are lovers, why is it not also well known that her offspring are probably not Roberts as well. Always thought this was weird.
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Lmao. What show is this guy watching?
flysack
Footballguy
flysack
Footballguy
You have to love how the Lannisters are totally effing up their short run at the top. Tywin can't get over the circumstances of Tyrion's birth to name him Lord of Casterly Rock (which we all know he'd be amazing at), and Cersei and to a lesser extent Jaimee go out of their way to totally screw up their alliance with the Tyrells, who from the outset seemed very willing to play good on their part.
ETA: it should be great fun when the show catches up to Crazy Cersei during Tommen's reign. In particular I'm looking forward to seeing her walk naked across the courtyard. :fap:
ETA: it should be great fun when the show catches up to Crazy Cersei during Tommen's reign. In particular I'm looking forward to seeing her walk naked across the courtyard. :fap:
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