HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (3 Viewers)

[JerseyToughGuys]

Good stuff

 

[Thunderlips]

I will ask in here where it is less prickly:

shae - what turns her? was it solely tyrion yelling at her to go? did bronn sell him out too? did cercei just get to her before she sailed away?

don't remember this in the books.

Bronn realizes its not in his best interests to defend Tyrion (either at trial or trial by combat). Tyrion more or less accepts this. I don't know if show Jaime will rush to defend him (and actually like Evilgrin said in the other thread...would make a very nice conflict of interests for Tywin)......but they'll have the Bronn/Tyrion conversation. Those two actors have too good a repoire to not have them together one final time.

 

[shuke]

The whole Yara and theon thing just seemed so forced and out of place. Like Ramsay would just let them leave?

Did he? He was outnumbered and I thought was letting the dogs out, and I figured the ironborn escaped.

 

[kupcho1]

The whole Yara and theon thing just seemed so forced and out of place. Like Ramsay would just let them leave?

Did he? He was outnumbered and I thought was letting the dogs out, and I figured the ironborn escaped.

Pretty sure the number of people in the Dreadfort would outnumber an Ironborn raiding party. But that's probably more thought than this extraneous scene deserves.

 

[Kraft...]

Bron/Oberyn Tyrian scenes were great

Alester Thorn doing a great job being a #####.

Mereen stuff yawn

Nice to see hot pie again, like how they handled that

So I guess that they will just say Lysa committed suicide?

 

[Abrantes]

Man, they nailed the Oberyn casting. Pascal was a great choice.

 

[Rick James]

I wish we were going to get Jon Snow saying "Edd, fetch me a block" this season but it will have to wait. That is one of the best moments from ADWD.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Speculation in the non-book thread is good right now - very interesting. Leave it to good old GRR to concoct a story line where both combatants are killed.

 

[IrishTwinkie]

Nice to see hot pie again, like how they handled that

I think there is a new leader in the race for the word that Brienne says at the end of the noose a little later...

 

[Rick James]

Speculation in the non-book thread is good right now - very interesting. Leave it to good old GRR to concoct a story line where both combatants are killed.

Knowing what we know, it's pretty funny to hear the TV guys' thoughts. No way a small role like Gregor kills Oberyn.

“For they are the knights of summer, and winter is coming.”

 

[CBusAlex]

You know nothing, TV thread.

 

[Kraft...]

The Mountain doesn't get much face time but he is mentioned a ton by a large variety of people

 

[Premier]

You know nothing, TV thread.

Yea man, you show off those book reading skills.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Mereen stuff yawn

Nice to see hot pie again, like how they handled that

It would be much better if they showed Dany's hotpie, amirite?

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Speculation in the non-book thread is good right now - very interesting. Leave it to good old GRR to concoct a story line where both combatants are killed.

Knowing what we know, it's pretty funny to hear the TV guys' thoughts. No way a small role like Gregor kills Oberyn.

“For they are the knights of summer, and winter is coming.”

I'm not laughing at them in any respect. I find it truly interesting to read the speculation and try to remember where I was at that point in the story. I think for most people reading the books, it wasn't at all unlikely that Clegane would kill Oberyn. For the show, they've made Oberyn a star of sorts in his short role this season, while Gregor has been a minor character throughout the tv series, much lower profile than he had in the books.

 

[Tusken Raider]

We don't know for sure that The Mountain will kill Oberyn on TV either. Probably, but not certainly, right?

Hope it goes down like in the novel, pretty bittersweet/tragic death for Obie: he knows The Mountain is poisoned, but gets taken out himself (pretty brutally) before he gets to enjoy his revenge.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

You know nothing, TV thread.

Yea man, you show off those book reading skills.

:whoosh:

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

You know nothing, TV thread.

Yea man, you show off those book reading skills.

:whoosh:

that's not me, it's you.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

We don't know for sure that The Mountain will kill Oberyn on TV either. Probably, but not certainly, right?

Hope it goes down like in the novel, pretty bittersweet/tragic death for Obie: he knows The Mountain is poisoned, but gets taken out himself (pretty brutally) before he gets to enjoy his revenge.

this part pissed me off when reading. Only a few other scenes created same kind of reaction.

 

[EYLive]

I recall Cercei asking her creepy maester to try to save/revive Gregor from the poison? Am I mixing up my stories or did that happen?

 

[Mister Martie]

I loved the Bronn and Tyrion scene last night. It was great in the books and they didn't mess with it much.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Lots of good characters are going to fall off the map in pretty short order:

Joffrey - RIP

The Hound

Bronn

Oberyn
Tywin

It should be interesting to see what the TV version can do with some of the others seemingly minor players. I think they did a great job of enhancing Oberyn.

 

[Psychopav]

I recall Cercei asking her creepy maester to try to save/revive Gregor from the poison? Am I mixing up my stories or did that happen?

He's still a zombie in the basement iirc.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

I recall Cercei asking her creepy maester to try to save/revive Gregor from the poison? Am I mixing up my stories or did that happen?

He's still a zombie in the basement iirc.

soon to be Cercei's champion...

 

[Brady Marino]

We don't know for sure that The Mountain will kill Oberyn on TV either. Probably, but not certainly, right?

Hope it goes down like in the novel, pretty bittersweet/tragic death for Obie: he knows The Mountain is poisoned, but gets taken out himself (pretty brutally) before he gets to enjoy his revenge.

With the way they're toying with the storylines from the book, I almost wouldn't be surprised of Oberyn lives. But one thing Game of Thrones does consistently is kill off characters we like, so I think Oberyn will eat it.

Plus, there is no such thing as happy ending in Game of Thrones.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I loved the Bronn and Tyrion scene last night. It was great in the books and they didn't mess with it much.

thought he came off as slightly more dickish in the show, but still a great scene.

 

[parrot]

I thought Bronn telling Tyrion about how a fight between he and the Mountain might go was pretty good foreshadowing for the Viper/Mountain fight, "get him off his feet somehow, but one misstep, and I'm dead..."

 

[thecatch]

I recall Cercei asking her creepy maester to try to save/revive Gregor from the poison? Am I mixing up my stories or did that happen?

He's still a zombie in the basement iirc.

soon to be Cercei's champion...

Isn't he up and walking around as a silent "new" member of the Kingsguard or some such?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

We don't know for sure that The Mountain will kill Oberyn on TV either. Probably, but not certainly, right?

Hope it goes down like in the novel, pretty bittersweet/tragic death for Obie: he knows The Mountain is poisoned, but gets taken out himself (pretty brutally) before he gets to enjoy his revenge.

With the way they're toying with the storylines from the book, I almost wouldn't be surprised of Oberyn lives. But one thing Game of Thrones does consistently is kill off characters we like, so I think Oberyn will eat it.

Plus, there is no such thing as happy ending in Game of Thrones.

has anyone lived in the show that died in the book so far? Oberyn will bite it im sure

 

[Psychopav]

We don't know for sure that The Mountain will kill Oberyn on TV either. Probably, but not certainly, right?

Hope it goes down like in the novel, pretty bittersweet/tragic death for Obie: he knows The Mountain is poisoned, but gets taken out himself (pretty brutally) before he gets to enjoy his revenge.

With the way they're toying with the storylines from the book, I almost wouldn't be surprised of Oberyn lives. But one thing Game of Thrones does consistently is kill off characters we like, so I think Oberyn will eat it.

Plus, there is no such thing as happy ending in Game of Thrones.

Tell it to Tyrion, Oberyn, or Littlefinger. They might disagree with you on that.

 

[Psychopav]

I recall Cercei asking her creepy maester to try to save/revive Gregor from the poison? Am I mixing up my stories or did that happen?

He's still a zombie in the basement iirc.

soon to be Cercei's champion...

Isn't he up and walking around as a silent "new" member of the Kingsguard or some such?

Oh, that's right.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

I recall Cercei asking her creepy maester to try to save/revive Gregor from the poison? Am I mixing up my stories or did that happen?

He's still a zombie in the basement iirc.

soon to be Cercei's champion...

Isn't he up and walking around as a silent "new" member of the Kingsguard or some such?

yep

 

[EYLive]

I recall Cercei asking her creepy maester to try to save/revive Gregor from the poison? Am I mixing up my stories or did that happen?

He's still a zombie in the basement iirc.

soon to be Cercei's champion...

Isn't he up and walking around as a silent "new" member of the Kingsguard or some such?

yep

I'll need to re-read ADWD, I don't remember that part.

 

[Norman Paperman]

I recall Cercei asking her creepy maester to try to save/revive Gregor from the poison? Am I mixing up my stories or did that happen?

He's still a zombie in the basement iirc.

soon to be Cercei's champion...

Isn't he up and walking around as a silent "new" member of the Kingsguard or some such?

Pretty sure he is a zombieguard after the maester gets done with him.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Kind of odd how they re-introduced Gregor last night - a shirtless knight, slaughtering random peasants outside King's Landing? I guess the director couldn't come up with a better way to show he's a nasty, huge dude?

Also, the stuff about Melisandre and Stannis' daughter seemed new - was that in the book?

 

[sn0mm1s]

Lots of good characters are going to fall off the map in pretty short order:

Joffrey - RIP

The Hound

Bronn

Oberyn

Tywin

It should be interesting to see what the TV version can do with some of the others seemingly minor players. I think they did a great job of enhancing Oberyn.

I don't think that Bronn will necessarily fall of the map - we need someone to take Ilyn Payne's spot when Jaime leaves King's Landing.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Kind of odd how they re-introduced Gregor last night - a shirtless knight, slaughtering random peasants outside King's Landing? I guess the director couldn't come up with a better way to show he's a nasty, huge dude?

Also, the stuff about Melisandre and Stannis' daughter seemed new - was that in the book?

Yeah, didn't get that scene or the guy biting the Hound.

All that stuff is pretty much new. Stannis' wife doesn't do much at all in the books either.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Lots of good characters are going to fall off the map in pretty short order:

Joffrey - RIP

The Hound

Bronn

Oberyn

Tywin

It should be interesting to see what the TV version can do with some of the others seemingly minor players. I think they did a great job of enhancing Oberyn.

I don't think that Bronn will necessarily fall of the map - we need someone to take Ilyn Payne's spot when Jaime leaves King's Landing.

I would have agreed, if they rewrote the lordship part.

Who knows. Maybe the new Lord Stokeworth will be forced to take the field with Jamie.

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

Kind of odd how they re-introduced Gregor last night - a shirtless knight, slaughtering random peasants outside King's Landing? I guess the director couldn't come up with a better way to show he's a nasty, huge dude?

Also, the stuff about Melisandre and Stannis' daughter seemed new - was that in the book?

Those seemed to be prisoners being executed to me.

 

[Kraft...]

Yeah, didn't get that scene or the guy biting the Hound.

That was just a quick way for him the get his death wound IMO. They just did it here instead of the fight at the Inn. While at the same time adding to the Arya bad ### persona

 

[Gr00vus]

I think that's my favorite episode of the season so far.

It's interesting the direction they went with Rorge/Biter not just in the likely immediate impetus it'll have on the Hound/Arya split, but it also means they won't be there to attack Brienne later. I wonder if they'll just skip that part of the story. That was a pretty brutal scene in the books.

 

[Rick James]

re: the reintroduction of Gregor...

so much of the horror of The Mountain was explained to the reader via second-hand stories and tall tales of his brutal ways. I'm trying to recall if we ever get an up close and personal account of his terrible acts, and I'm drawing a blank on that one.

 

[KarmaPolice]

re: the reintroduction of Gregor...

so much of the horror of The Mountain was explained to the reader via second-hand stories and tall tales of his brutal ways. I'm trying to recall if we ever get an up close and personal account of his terrible acts, and I'm drawing a blank on that one.

just horse beheading?

 

[Slider6]

We don't know for sure that The Mountain will kill Oberyn on TV either. Probably, but not certainly, right?

Hope it goes down like in the novel, pretty bittersweet/tragic death for Obie: he knows The Mountain is poisoned, but gets taken out himself (pretty brutally) before he gets to enjoy his revenge.

With the way they're toying with the storylines from the book, I almost wouldn't be surprised of Oberyn lives. But one thing Game of Thrones does consistently is kill off characters we like, so I think Oberyn will eat it.

Plus, there is no such thing as happy ending in Game of Thrones.

has anyone lived in the show that died in the book so far? Oberyn will bite it im sure

The Hound, but I don't think he's going to live a whole lot longer.

 

[Rick James]

re: the reintroduction of Gregor...

so much of the horror of The Mountain was explained to the reader via second-hand stories and tall tales of his brutal ways. I'm trying to recall if we ever get an up close and personal account of his terrible acts, and I'm drawing a blank on that one.

just horse beheading?

yep, good call. Way back in season 1.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

We don't know for sure that The Mountain will kill Oberyn on TV either. Probably, but not certainly, right?

Hope it goes down like in the novel, pretty bittersweet/tragic death for Obie: he knows The Mountain is poisoned, but gets taken out himself (pretty brutally) before he gets to enjoy his revenge.

With the way they're toying with the storylines from the book, I almost wouldn't be surprised of Oberyn lives. But one thing Game of Thrones does consistently is kill off characters we like, so I think Oberyn will eat it.

Plus, there is no such thing as happy ending in Game of Thrones.

has anyone lived in the show that died in the book so far? Oberyn will bite it im sure

The Hound, but I don't think he's going to live a whole lot longer.

Bitten by Biter, hes gonna die a slow agonzing death

 

[Kraft...]

re: the reintroduction of Gregor...

so much of the horror of The Mountain was explained to the reader via second-hand stories and tall tales of his brutal ways. I'm trying to recall if we ever get an up close and personal account of his terrible acts, and I'm drawing a blank on that one.

just horse beheading?

yep, good call. Way back in season 1.

Also the atrocities he committed on that Village, Remember when Ned sent out Beric Dondarrion to go bring him to justice(then The Mountain "killed" Beric for the first time). Plus his association with The Tickler etc. and all the torture.

 

[KarmaPolice]

re: the reintroduction of Gregor...

so much of the horror of The Mountain was explained to the reader via second-hand stories and tall tales of his brutal ways. I'm trying to recall if we ever get an up close and personal account of his terrible acts, and I'm drawing a blank on that one.

just horse beheading?

yep, good call. Way back in season 1.

Also the atrocities he committed on that Village, Remember when Ned sent out Beric Dondarrion to go bring him to justice(then The Mountain "killed" Beric for the first time). Plus his association with The Tickler etc. and all the torture.

were those firsthand scenes though, or did we find out about them through other characters?I don't remember seeing the mountain after the tourney, but we must have since he has been played by 3 different dudes now.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

re: the reintroduction of Gregor...

so much of the horror of The Mountain was explained to the reader via second-hand stories and tall tales of his brutal ways. I'm trying to recall if we ever get an up close and personal account of his terrible acts, and I'm drawing a blank on that one.

just horse beheading?

yep, good call. Way back in season 1.

Also the atrocities he committed on that Village, Remember when Ned sent out Beric Dondarrion to go bring him to justice(then The Mountain "killed" Beric for the first time). Plus his association with The Tickler etc. and all the torture.

were those firsthand scenes though, or did we find out about them through other characters?

yeah some dude dropped a bag full of fish in front of Ned Stark when he was on the iron throne

 

[KarmaPolice]

We don't know for sure that The Mountain will kill Oberyn on TV either. Probably, but not certainly, right?

Hope it goes down like in the novel, pretty bittersweet/tragic death for Obie: he knows The Mountain is poisoned, but gets taken out himself (pretty brutally) before he gets to enjoy his revenge.

With the way they're toying with the storylines from the book, I almost wouldn't be surprised of Oberyn lives. But one thing Game of Thrones does consistently is kill off characters we like, so I think Oberyn will eat it.

Plus, there is no such thing as happy ending in Game of Thrones.

has anyone lived in the show that died in the book so far? Oberyn will bite it im sure

The Hound, but I don't think he's going to live a whole lot longer.

Bitten by Biter, hes gonna die a slow agonzing death

#### yeah- you probably don't want to know where that mouth has been.