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Head Coaching Changes for 2007 (1 Viewer)
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Sinrman
Footballguy
I'm not so sure Shell will be sent packing. Do I THINK he should? Yes. Heck, he should have never been hired in the first place. He is horrible, and shows absolutely no emotion on the sideline whatsoever. Heck, he looks like he's about to fall asleep! But Al Davis said he regretted firing him the first time around. I don't see him firing Shell so quickly this year. Perhaps next year if they repeat this year's performance.
As for others... Gibbs may be on the way out. It was a nice story when he came back to the NFL, but he just flat hasn't gotten it done overall. I don't think it's necessarily him, as in his coaching methods and such. I think it's more of not having the right personnel there and bad decisions in drafting/FAs.
Denny Green has a good chance of being let go. Which is a shame, because to me, he seems like a very likeable coach. But again, he just hasn't gotten it done in AZ.
That's all I can think of right now.. but i'm sure there is at least one or two more this offseason that will be let go...
As for others... Gibbs may be on the way out. It was a nice story when he came back to the NFL, but he just flat hasn't gotten it done overall. I don't think it's necessarily him, as in his coaching methods and such. I think it's more of not having the right personnel there and bad decisions in drafting/FAs.
Denny Green has a good chance of being let go. Which is a shame, because to me, he seems like a very likeable coach. But again, he just hasn't gotten it done in AZ.
That's all I can think of right now.. but i'm sure there is at least one or two more this offseason that will be let go...
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Green is gone.
Shell probably will be gone - at least out of a coaching position.
Coughlin if the Giants don't make the playoffs.
SABAN? Rumors are just rumors, but where there's smoke there's fire.
Mora maybe.
Shell probably will be gone - at least out of a coaching position.
Coughlin if the Giants don't make the playoffs.
SABAN? Rumors are just rumors, but where there's smoke there's fire.
Mora maybe.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
The thing about Coughlin is, he's a complete ****. This is not news, obviously, but it becomes a lot more problematic being a complete **** when:
1. You have mouthy players (Burress, Shockey)
2. Things aren't going well
The Giants have been a pretty big disappointment this season, and when you have guys like TIKI BARBER questioning the coaches, doesn't really look like the coach has a handle on his team.
1. You have mouthy players (Burress, Shockey)
2. Things aren't going well
The Giants have been a pretty big disappointment this season, and when you have guys like TIKI BARBER questioning the coaches, doesn't really look like the coach has a handle on his team.
Gibbs isn't going anywhere. He has said time and time again that he wants to finish out his contract, plus Snyder looks at him as kind of his hero, so he won't be firing him.
hutchins929
Footballguy
All I want for Christmas is for the Detroit Lions to FIRE EVERYONE!!!
Jason Wood
Zoo York
My predictions (good only for December 22nd 
)
Absolutely Gone
Dennis Green
Art ShellMaybe Gone
Bill Cowher [could leave for retirement, but probably staying]
Jeff Fisher [should be safe, but needs a new contract]
Joe Gibbs [says he intends to stay, will believe it when it's official]
Jim Mora
Bill Parcells [it's up to him, probably depends on their playoff run]
Nick Saban [could leave for 'Bama, otherwise, safe]Hot Seat, But Safe
Tom Coughlin [lame duck, probably has to fire his coordinators to stay]
Romeo Crennel
Jon Gruden [bloom is off the rose, but won't be bounced this year]
Gary Kubiak [safe b/c its year one, but rough start]
Rod Marinelli [safe, but if Matt Millen is bounced, stranger things have happened]Safe
Bill Belichick
Brian Billick
Brad Childress
Jack Del Rio
Tony Dungy
Herm Edwards
John Fox
Mike Holmgren
**** Jauron
Marvin Lewis
Scott Linehan
Eric Mangini
Mike McCarthy
Mike Nolan
Sean Payton
Andy Reid
Marty Schottenheimer
Mike Shanahan
Lovie Smith
)Absolutely Gone
Dennis Green
Art ShellMaybe Gone
Bill Cowher [could leave for retirement, but probably staying]
Jeff Fisher [should be safe, but needs a new contract]
Joe Gibbs [says he intends to stay, will believe it when it's official]
Jim Mora
Bill Parcells [it's up to him, probably depends on their playoff run]
Nick Saban [could leave for 'Bama, otherwise, safe]Hot Seat, But Safe
Tom Coughlin [lame duck, probably has to fire his coordinators to stay]
Romeo Crennel
Jon Gruden [bloom is off the rose, but won't be bounced this year]
Gary Kubiak [safe b/c its year one, but rough start]
Rod Marinelli [safe, but if Matt Millen is bounced, stranger things have happened]Safe
Bill Belichick
Brian Billick
Brad Childress
Jack Del Rio
Tony Dungy
Herm Edwards
John Fox
Mike Holmgren
**** Jauron
Marvin Lewis
Scott Linehan
Eric Mangini
Mike McCarthy
Mike Nolan
Sean Payton
Andy Reid
Marty Schottenheimer
Mike Shanahan
Lovie Smith
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
My predictions (good only for December 22nd
Absolutely Gone
Dennis Green
Art ShellMaybe Gone
Bill Cowher [could leave for retirement, but probably staying]
Jeff Fisher [should be safe, but needs a new contract]
Joe Gibbs [says he intends to stay, will believe it when it's official]
Jim Mora
Bill Parcells [it's up to him, probably depends on their playoff run]
Nick Saban [could leave for 'Bama, otherwise, safe]Hot Seat, But Safe
Tom Coughlin [lame duck, probably has to fire his coordinators to stay]
Romeo Crennel
Jon Gruden [bloom is off the rose, but won't be bounced this year]
Gary Kubiak [safe b/c its year one, but rough start]
Rod Marinelli [safe, but if Matt Millen is bounced, stranger things have happened]Safe
Bill Belichick
Brian Billick
Brad Childress
Jack Del Rio
Tony Dungy
Herm Edwards
John Fox
Mike Holmgren
**** Jauron
Marvin Lewis
Scott Linehan
Eric Mangini
Mike McCarthy
Mike Nolan
Sean Payton
Andy Reid
Marty Schottenheimer
Mike Shanahan
Lovie Smith
One's I disagree with:Don't think Green is a mortal lock to get fired. I'd have him Probably gone, but not Absolutely.
Jeff Fisher won't be sacked, but may get traded.
Don't think Del Rio is safe at all. Expectations were high and they can't routinely beat teams they should. If they can get a high profile replacement then they get rid of Del Rio.
Andy Reid is probably safe, but he'd be one of the riskier ones in the safe list
Tornacl
Footballguy
I disagree that Reid is only probably safe. As strange as this may be, McNabb getting hurt may have saved his job. Completely irrational, since McNabb was having such a great season, but they weren't getting it done. Since McNabb got hurt, they've been inspired and are back in the playoff hunt. Don't take this to mean the Eagles are better off without McNabb, its just one of those outcomes no one could've predicted.My predictions (good only for December 22nd
Absolutely Gone
Dennis Green
Art ShellMaybe Gone
Bill Cowher [could leave for retirement, but probably staying]
Jeff Fisher [should be safe, but needs a new contract]
Joe Gibbs [says he intends to stay, will believe it when it's official]
Jim Mora
Bill Parcells [it's up to him, probably depends on their playoff run]
Nick Saban [could leave for 'Bama, otherwise, safe]Hot Seat, But Safe
Tom Coughlin [lame duck, probably has to fire his coordinators to stay]
Romeo Crennel
Jon Gruden [bloom is off the rose, but won't be bounced this year]
Gary Kubiak [safe b/c its year one, but rough start]
Rod Marinelli [safe, but if Matt Millen is bounced, stranger things have happened]Safe
Bill Belichick
Brian Billick
Brad Childress
Jack Del Rio
Tony Dungy
Herm Edwards
John Fox
Mike Holmgren
**** Jauron
Marvin Lewis
Scott Linehan
Eric Mangini
Mike McCarthy
Mike Nolan
Sean Payton
Andy Reid
Marty Schottenheimer
Mike Shanahan
Lovie Smith
Don't think Green is a mortal lock to get fired. I'd have him Probably gone, but not Absolutely.
Jeff Fisher won't be sacked, but may get traded.
Don't think Del Rio is safe at all. Expectations were high and they can't routinely beat teams they should. If they can get a high profile replacement then they get rid of Del Rio.
Andy Reid is probably safe, but he'd be one of the riskier ones in the safe list
Beetlejuice
Footballguy
Dennis Green is an absolute mortal lock to be gone. No question, no doubt. We've known this in AZ for quite some time.
As for the others.....Shell, Mora, Coughlin, Crennel, Del Rio, Cowher, Gruden, Fox and Saban are the only others that have any chance of being gone for various reasons and in no particular order- with some having a higher probability than others.
The Vikings have soured already a bit on Childress, the Rams are not crazy about Linehan, and Marinelli will have one more season in Detroit to show signs of life.
Next year...don't discount the fact that Dungy may have something to prove if the Colts do not make a deep playoff run this year and depending on how they finish this season Edwards, Shanahan, Holmgren and M. Lewis could find themselves on the hot seat as well.
Fischer will definitely be back, Parcells will return as well, and Gibbs has already announced he will be back- and Snyder will take him back so there is no question there.
Belichik is fine, Mangini/Payton/Nolan have all far exceeded expectations. McCarthy, Kubiak, L. Smith, Reid, Schottenheimer, and Billick are all safe as well.
As for the others.....Shell, Mora, Coughlin, Crennel, Del Rio, Cowher, Gruden, Fox and Saban are the only others that have any chance of being gone for various reasons and in no particular order- with some having a higher probability than others.
The Vikings have soured already a bit on Childress, the Rams are not crazy about Linehan, and Marinelli will have one more season in Detroit to show signs of life.
Next year...don't discount the fact that Dungy may have something to prove if the Colts do not make a deep playoff run this year and depending on how they finish this season Edwards, Shanahan, Holmgren and M. Lewis could find themselves on the hot seat as well.
Fischer will definitely be back, Parcells will return as well, and Gibbs has already announced he will be back- and Snyder will take him back so there is no question there.
Belichik is fine, Mangini/Payton/Nolan have all far exceeded expectations. McCarthy, Kubiak, L. Smith, Reid, Schottenheimer, and Billick are all safe as well.
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Josh the FunkDOC
Footballguy
FWIW, the general feeling about Crennel from the fans I know (and also the view I hold) is that he should get one more year. If we can't make a serious playoff run, then go ahead and can him.
There are a few things about him that kinda scare me:
1. He consistently makes more dumb challenges than anyone else I've seen.
2. He is exactly like Art Shell when it comes to emotion on the field.
3. He doesn't seem to be able to handle Braylon Edwards, who publicly promotes certain teammates ahead of others. First he was all excited about Frye while Dilfer was still the starter, and now he's doing the same with Derek Anderson.
On the other hand, he has built a solid and improving young defense, and Edwards & Winslow look legit. So it's not all bad, but still quite a bit so.
As such, I would say "safe for now, but definitely on the hot seat."
There are a few things about him that kinda scare me:
1. He consistently makes more dumb challenges than anyone else I've seen.
2. He is exactly like Art Shell when it comes to emotion on the field.
3. He doesn't seem to be able to handle Braylon Edwards, who publicly promotes certain teammates ahead of others. First he was all excited about Frye while Dilfer was still the starter, and now he's doing the same with Derek Anderson.
On the other hand, he has built a solid and improving young defense, and Edwards & Winslow look legit. So it's not all bad, but still quite a bit so.
As such, I would say "safe for now, but definitely on the hot seat."
chris1969
Footballguy
And for all you guys that say Green is gone, Why?Afterall, he is who we thought he was!
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Tom Coughlin.
Please.
Pretty pretty please.
With sugar on top?
And hey, I wouldn't be at all upset if the John Fox being gone idea turns out to be true. Would love to see him come back home.
Please.
Pretty pretty please.
With sugar on top?
And hey, I wouldn't be at all upset if the John Fox being gone idea turns out to be true. Would love to see him come back home.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
You think Arizona hired him because they thought he was a guy who could lead them to a 15-31 record? More likely they thought they were getting the 101-70 Dennis Green.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I keep pretty close tabs on the Steelers and I have never heard that Lebeau will retire if Cowher does. Anything is possible but I think it is unlikely that OC Ken Whisenhunt or OL coach Russ Grimm, the two leading candidates to replace Cowher, would bring someone else in to run the defense. LeBeau hasn't talked about retiring to my knowledge so I think this is pure speculation and not based on any facts.
chris1969
Footballguy
I see that joke flew above Despyzer's radar.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Aren't "jokes" supposed to be clever or funny or something? I saw no jokes.
chris1969
Footballguy
hutchins929
Footballguy
^Either he is a Bitter Cardinals fan or justDespyzer said:
!!!The fans have already "voted" to fire Crennel in that the stadium is half-empty. That's a far more important sample of fans compared to the fans you know personally. Like I've said before, that trumps everything else. The fans are screaming loud and clear for a change by socking Randy Lerner in his wallet. Lerner loses millions because food and beer is not sold and merchandise is left on the store shelves. Crennel is very very likely fired.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
I understood the reference to the post-game press conference. You asked why Green might be getting fired and alluded to that tired quote. I answered your question. You decided to make a big deal out of it. Are we through here?
hutchins929
Footballguy
Whats wrong Despyzer, is it that time? Does anyone have any Mydol?!?
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Do you have anything constructive to contribute to the conversation at hand or is this all you've got?
Agreed. Keep it on football. TIA
J
J
Uh, you haven't seen the stadium during the games then.
Picture of a LOT of orange seats at Cleveland Browns stadium.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/photo?slug=get...&prov=getty
The lower bowl looks pretty good. Upper deck is pretty vacant.
73k my butt!
And that phoro was taken during the fourth quarter of a tight game - not some blowout...
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/photo?slug=get...&prov=getty
The lower bowl looks pretty good. Upper deck is pretty vacant.
73k my butt!
And that phoro was taken during the fourth quarter of a tight game - not some blowout...
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No, it was a 7 point game until that play which made it a 14-point game. The Browns weren't behind by two scores during that drive.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Hey JML,Thanks for the feedback. The only issue I have with your retort relates to Andy Reid. Not sure what kind of press this gets outside of Philly but Jeffrey Lurie has repeatedly discussed his admiration for owners like Pat Bowlen and Dan Rooney and their committment to a coach and organizational staff over the long term. Reid is locked up through 2012 if I'm not mistaken, and he has total control of the organization. Even before the Eagles made their improbable run to get to 9-6, he had no chance of losing his job this offseason unless a) Lurie sold the team surprisingly, or b) he was implicated in some heinous crime.My predictions (good only for December 22nd)
Absolutely Gone
Dennis Green
Art ShellMaybe Gone
Bill Cowher [could leave for retirement, but probably staying]
Jeff Fisher [should be safe, but needs a new contract]
Joe Gibbs [says he intends to stay, will believe it when it's official]
Jim Mora
Bill Parcells [it's up to him, probably depends on their playoff run]
Nick Saban [could leave for 'Bama, otherwise, safe]Hot Seat, But Safe
Tom Coughlin [lame duck, probably has to fire his coordinators to stay]
Romeo Crennel
Jon Gruden [bloom is off the rose, but won't be bounced this year]
Gary Kubiak [safe b/c its year one, but rough start]
Rod Marinelli [safe, but if Matt Millen is bounced, stranger things have happened]Safe
Bill Belichick
Brian Billick
Brad Childress
Jack Del Rio
Tony Dungy
Herm Edwards
John Fox
Mike Holmgren
**** Jauron
Marvin Lewis
Scott Linehan
Eric Mangini
Mike McCarthy
Mike Nolan
Sean Payton
Andy Reid
Marty Schottenheimer
Mike Shanahan
Lovie SmithOne's I disagree with:
Don't think Green is a mortal lock to get fired. I'd have him Probably gone, but not Absolutely.
Jeff Fisher won't be sacked, but may get traded.
Don't think Del Rio is safe at all. Expectations were high and they can't routinely beat teams they should. If they can get a high profile replacement then they get rid of Del Rio.
Andy Reid is probably safe, but he'd be one of the riskier ones in the safe list
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I would bump Coughlin into the Maybe Gone category at this point. If he loses this week, I could definitely see him getting tossed. With GM Ernie Accorsi retiring, we don't know whether the new GM will be given the chance to name his own coach. Coughlin's lame duck status makes it an easy financial decision; and if they go outside the organization for the next GM, he could be done even with an 8-8 record and 1st round playoff loss.
If the Giants win vs. Washington and then win a wild card playoff game no the road, I would think Coughlin will save himself for one season provided he'll agree to make changes to his staff. Given his demotion of John Hufnagel this week, it's pretty clear he's ready, willing and able to throw his assistants under the bus to save his own hide.
If the Giants win vs. Washington and then win a wild card playoff game no the road, I would think Coughlin will save himself for one season provided he'll agree to make changes to his staff. Given his demotion of John Hufnagel this week, it's pretty clear he's ready, willing and able to throw his assistants under the bus to save his own hide.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Listening to Sportscenter today, I might agree with you. However, I was very impressed with some of the comments coming from the mouths of some Giants players this week. Things like "It's not the system, it's not the play-calling. We just have to get out there and play better."I was surprised to hear that from guys like Eli and Pierce, considering Coughlin's reputation and how much grousing we have heard from Giants' players beforehand.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Hypothetically, why would Sean Payton want to leave New Orleans for Dallas? Last time I checked New Orleans was a younger, more explosive team with an owner far less demanding of the spotlight.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Bama hasn't been interviewing anyone for the HC job. I think Saban is most definitely gone. And please don't post a link to his presser the other day when he said he was absolutely not leaving to coach Bama - he said the same thing like the day before the Miami gig was announced.
Is Art Shell really a DEFINITE goner?
Sincerely,
LaMont Jordan Dynasty Owner
Is Art Shell really a DEFINITE goner?
Sincerely,
LaMont Jordan Dynasty Owner
L5UT1ger
Footballguy
ummm...money?Dallas Cowboys = a storied franchise v. New Orleans Saints = not a storied franchise?Seriously, thats like asking why leave LSU to coach Notre Dame.
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Browns Rule!
Footballguy
There is no chance that Crenell is gone. Crenell saved Savage, and Savage will do the same for Crenell if it even came to that which it won't. Here is Cleveland's phylosephy, they throw as many players on IR at the end of the season so come season end, they can complain about how many injuries they had. It is their way of politicing to the fans. Crenell is a good coach, he has had some bad breaks, but this team is on the upswing. When we get healthy next year, and get a leader or two on the team, I think they go from 4-12 to 10-6 in one year.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
I have to side with Jason on this one. I doubt Jones would be willing to pay Payton the kind of money he was giving Parcells. The money won't be that different. There are only 32 NFL teams. The difference in how "storied" one is over another is rather negligible compared to being with a team that has more potential in a community you like working for a boss that you like.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
No, somewhat likely, but hardly definite.
