Heavy Use AND Goalline guys (1 Viewer)

[pinequick]

My league is a little TD-heavy, moreso than yardage. So that makes the RBs who get the yards AND ram it into the endzone most valuable (as they are in any league, I suppose). But the Willie Parkers of the world aren't as valuable in my league.

Tell me if I should modify this list of "runners *and* scorers"--the guys who do it all (in no particular order):

Willis McGahee

Ronnie Brown

Corey Dillon(?)--does Maroney cut his TD value?

Curtis Martin(?)--doesn't seem to get a lot of goalline touches? Was that just Lamont being Lamont?

Jamal Lewis(?)--does Mike Anderson cut his TD value?

Rudi Johnson

Reuben Droughns

Domanick Davis(?)--not sure about his "goal-lineability"

Larry Johnson

Lamont Jordan(?)

LT2

Portis

Edge

S. Alexander

S. Jackson

Who would you add to this list? Who is on this list that you would question?

 

[Chaka]

My league is a little TD-heavy, moreso than yardage. So that makes the RBs who get the yards AND ram it into the endzone most valuable (as they are in any league, I suppose). But the Willie Parkers of the world aren't as valuable in my league.

Tell me if I should modify this list of "runners *and* scorers"--the guys who do it all (in no particular order):

Willis McGahee

Ronnie Brown

Corey Dillon(?)--does Maroney cut his TD value? - His workload may be reduced. He isn't in on third downs (Faulk) and Maroney may get 10-12 carries/game. He WILL get all the goalline love though.

Curtis Martin(?)--doesn't seem to get a lot of goalline touches? - Hate to say it but I think Curtis is done. Game over. Plus that is a HORRIBLE Jets team this year. Was that just Lamont being Lamont?

Jamal Lewis(?)--does Mike Anderson cut his TD value?

Rudi Johnson

Reuben Droughns

Domanick Davis(?)--not sure about his "goal-lineability" - And his durability. Don't forget about Morrency either.

Larry Johnson

Lamont Jordan(?)

LT2

Portis

Edge

S. Alexander

S. Jackson

Who would you add to this list? Who is on this list that you would question?

I agree with most of your calls.Maybe Chester Taylor?

LenDale (IF the Chris Brown trade rumors are true)

 

[MLBrandow]

I think the big four are the ones that go 1-4 anyway.

LJ

SA

LT

Portis

Edge with that new AZ OL should get a whole lot of goal-line opportunities, especially with Warner's reservations about throwing TDs anymore (joke, but so is his recent .94TD average).

What you're looking for is an offense that given equal options, would choose to get the ball to the RB than QB to WR. So any time you have a situation with a solid red-zone QB, or a scrambling QB, that hurts his value.

Guys like Ronnie Brown, Rudi Johnson, Brian Westbrook and LaMont Jordan are going to have a bit of that playing against them. But since CIN scores so many TDs, you really see it balance out. He's a great buy because he has a decent ceiling, but a very high floor. Just look at his numbers over the past few years--he's a model for consistency. Likewise for Westbrook, since he's such a dynamic receiving threat, it also balances out a bit.

These lists are not necessarily in order, but should help give you a general idea.

Guys I like a lot outside of the big four to be the 350-400+ backs with goal-line work are:

Cadillac Williams

Edgerrin James

Rudi Johnson

Domanick Davis

Jamal Lewis

Steven Jackson

Ahman Green

Guys with a good shot to be 300-350+ backs with goal-line work:

LaMont Jordan

Brian Westbrook

Deuce McAllister

Corey Dillon

Kevin Jones

Ron Dayne

LenDale White

Cedric Benson

Curtis Martin

Guys that have some good potential to be 300+ backs with goal-line work:

Frank Gore

DeAngelo Williams

Dominic Rhodes

Shots in the dark:

Ciatrick Fason

Lee Suggs

Maurice Drew

Greg Jones

Reggie Bush

Maron Barber III

Guys I would look to avoid in your case:

Willis McGahee - terrible OL, bad QB, no big WR threat

Reuben Droughns - would be solid but TD opportunities will be limited, and he doesn't get many receptions, plus chance of Suggs taking job.

Chester Taylor - job security, MIN goal-line work is a big question

Ronnie Brown - goal-line splits with Culpepper, durability concerns, absolutely no compliment to help give him a breather.

Julius Jones - job security, health questions, etc

Willie Parker - Goal-line questions still a mystery

Fred Taylor - job security, health questions

Hope this helps.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

My league is a little TD-heavy, moreso than yardage. So that makes the RBs who get the yards AND ram it into the endzone most valuable (as they are in any league, I suppose). But the Willie Parkers of the world aren't as valuable in my league.

Tell me if I should modify this list of "runners *and* scorers"--the guys who do it all (in no particular order):

Willis McGahee

Ronnie Brown

Corey Dillon(?)--does Maroney cut his TD value?

Curtis Martin(?)--doesn't seem to get a lot of goalline touches? Was that just Lamont being Lamont?

Jamal Lewis(?)--does Mike Anderson cut his TD value?

Rudi Johnson

Reuben Droughns

Domanick Davis(?)--not sure about his "goal-lineability"

Larry Johnson

Lamont Jordan(?)

LT2

Portis

Edge

S. Alexander

S. Jackson

Who would you add to this list? Who is on this list that you would question?

DD has a very good nose for the goalline.As for the rest I think they are pretty good, but I'd be nervous about Perry taking away from Rudi. He will definitely get some touches. Any Bengals homers remember if he was used more or less in the red zone, as compared to the rest of the field?

I'd also be leary of CuMar. I've been a big FF fan of his for the past 5 years, thinking he's been really undervalued, but last year was a rude awakening, and it makes this year very hard to gauge.

 

[pinequick]

Guys I would look to avoid in your case:

Willie Parker - Goal-line questions still a mystery

This is the guy who bothers me. That is a great, running-oriented offense. Who gets Bettis' TDs this year? Do Staley/Hayes step into that role, or does Parker get a crack? What do you guys think?

 

[diesel7982]

Guys I would look to avoid in your case:

Willie Parker - Goal-line questions still a mystery

This is the guy who bothers me. That is a great, running-oriented offense. Who gets Bettis' TDs this year? Do Staley/Hayes step into that role, or does Parker get a crack? What do you guys think?

Yes...Parker would be 3rd in line there to get any carries inside the 5 yard line.

 

[diesel7982]

My league is a little TD-heavy, moreso than yardage. So that makes the RBs who get the yards AND ram it into the endzone most valuable (as they are in any league, I suppose). But the Willie Parkers of the world aren't as valuable in my league.

Tell me if I should modify this list of "runners *and* scorers"--the guys who do it all (in no particular order):

Willis McGahee

Ronnie Brown

Corey Dillon(?)--does Maroney cut his TD value?

Curtis Martin(?)--doesn't seem to get a lot of goalline touches? Was that just Lamont being Lamont?

Jamal Lewis(?)--does Mike Anderson cut his TD value?

Rudi Johnson

Reuben Droughns

Domanick Davis(?)--not sure about his "goal-lineability"

Larry Johnson

Lamont Jordan(?)

LT2

Portis

Edge

S. Alexander

S. Jackson

Who would you add to this list? Who is on this list that you would question?

McGahee was routinely pulled in goalline situations last year.

 

[The Jerk]

Guys I would look to avoid in your case:

Willie Parker - Goal-line questions still a mystery

This is the guy who bothers me. That is a great, running-oriented offense. Who gets Bettis' TDs this year? Do Staley/Hayes step into that role, or does Parker get a crack? What do you guys think?

Parker is actually fourth in line behind Staley, Haynes and 7th round pick Cedric Humes (obviously not guaranteed to make the team, but he is 6' 227 lb.). His full name is Verron Haynes (not Vernon Hayes as many like to say), for the record. And he's someone all of you should consider as the last RB you take in a draft, i.e., the super sleeper.

My rationale: Haynes has a shot at the goal line duty regardless of Staley's health, but Staley has not put together a full season since 2003. Parker missed only one game but appeared hobbled one or two other times last year. More importantly, it's still not clear if he is someone who can be counted on beyond the occasional breakaway dash. Important as that was for the SB win, Parker is not the prototypical Steeler RB. So Haynes has a very reasonable shot at playing in each capacity.

 

[MLBrandow]

Parker is actually fourth in line behind Staley, Haynes and 7th round pick Cedric Humes (obviously not guaranteed to make the team, but he is 6' 227 lb.).

His full name is Verron Haynes (not Vernon Hayes as many like to say), for the record. And he's someone all of you should consider as the last RB you take in a draft, i.e., the super sleeper.

My rationale: Haynes has a shot at the goal line duty regardless of Staley's health, but Staley has not put together a full season since 2003. Parker missed only one game but appeared hobbled one or two other times last year. More importantly, it's still not clear if he is someone who can be counted on beyond the occasional breakaway dash. Important as that was for the SB win, Parker is not the prototypical Steeler RB. So Haynes has a very reasonable shot at playing in each capacity.

my thoughts exactly. Although I am not high enough on him to throw a late flyer over him in redrafts above guys like Maurice Drew, Lee Suggs, etc.Still, a guy to watch for sure.

 

[The Jerk]

Parker is actually fourth in line behind Staley, Haynes and 7th round pick Cedric Humes (obviously not guaranteed to make the team, but he is 6' 227 lb.).

His full name is Verron Haynes (not Vernon Hayes as many like to say), for the record. And he's someone all of you should consider as the last RB you take in a draft, i.e., the super sleeper.

My rationale: Haynes has a shot at the goal line duty regardless of Staley's health, but Staley has not put together a full season since 2003. Parker missed only one game but appeared hobbled one or two other times last year. More importantly, it's still not clear if he is someone who can be counted on beyond the occasional breakaway dash. Important as that was for the SB win, Parker is not the prototypical Steeler RB. So Haynes has a very reasonable shot at playing in each capacity.

my thoughts exactly. Although I am not high enough on him to throw a late flyer over him in redrafts above guys like Maurice Drew, Lee Suggs, etc.Still, a guy to watch for sure.

Fair enough. It depends on your league to some extent. We'll probably know more come late August.