Help Me Understand the 2010 Uncapped (1 Viewer)

[eefflrat]

Let's say 2010 is an uncapped year....which is what it appears will be. Normally players who are in the league 4 years are eligible for Unrestricted Free Agency? But an uncapped year means they have to have 6 years now? I am confused. So let's say a guy like Vincent Jackson who has been in the league 5 years and now has no contract, he is a RFA?

Is there a list of guys that are impacted by this possibility. Normally some of these guys would have been UFA correct?

Teams will have more RFA's, does that mean they have to tender them to hold that RFA status?

Just want to be 100% on this situation. Thanks.

 

[coolnerd]

List of over 200 player not UFA because of 6 years instead of 4 years

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/...ee-agents/#more

Cardinals (6): safety Hamza Abdullah, fullback Justin Green, guard Deuce Lutui, kicker Mike Nugent, receiver Jerheme Urban, nose tackle Gabe Watson.

Falcons (7): tackle Tyson Clabo, guard Harvey Dahl, safety Jamaal Fudge, punter Michael Koenen, running back Jerious Norwood, guard Quinn Ojinnaka, safety Charlie Peprah.

Ravens (10): guard Chris Chester, receiver Mark Clayton, kicker Billy Cundiff, punter Sam Koch, safety Dawan Landry, tackle Tony Moll, tight end Quinn Sypniewski, tackle Adam Terry, cornerback Fabian Washington, receiver Demetrius Williams.

Bills (6): linebacker Keith Ellison, quarterback Gibran Hamdan, guard Richie Incognito, tight end Joe Klopfenstein, safety George Wilson, safety Ashton Youboty.

Panthers (5): linebacker James Anderson, linebacker Thomas Davis, tight end Jeff King, cornerback Richard Marshall, tackle Rob Petitti.

Bears (5): defensive end Mark Anderson, safety Josh Bullocks, nose tackle Dusty Dvoracek, safety Danieal Manning, linebacker Jamar Williams.

Bengals (5): linebacker Abdul Hodge, linebacker Rashad Jeanty, linebacker Brandon Johnson, guard Evan Mathis, defensive end Frostee Rucker.

Browns (7): safety Abram Elam, linebacker Arnold Harrison, running back Jerome Harrison, linebacker D'Qwell Jackson, safety Brodney Pool, linebacker Matt Roth, fullback Lawrence Vickers.

Cowboys (12): receiver Miles Austin, defensive end Stephen Bowen, cornerback Cletis Gordon, defensive end Jason Hatcher, receiver Sam Hurd, tackle Pat McQuistan, center Duke Preston, guard Cory Procter, safety Gerald Sensabaugh, defensive end Marcus Spears, safety Pat Watkins, kicker Shaun Suisham.

Broncos (13): defensive end Elvis Dumervil, guard Chris Kuper, receiver Brandon Marshall, quarterback Kyle Orton, tight end Tony Scheffler, defensive end Le Kevin Smith, safety Daniel Bullocks, center Dylan Gandy, defensive end Jason Hunter, receiver Adam Jennings, guard Daniel Loper, safety Ko Simpson, linebacker Cody Spencer,

Packers (8): safety Atari Bigby, cornerback Will Blackmon, guard Daryn Colledge, safety Nick Collins, defensive end Johnny Jolly, fullback John Kuhn, safety Derrick Martin, center Jason Spitz.

Texans (7): safety John Busing, tackle Rashad Butler, tight end Owen Daniels, runing back Ryan Moats, safety Bernard Pollard, linebacker DeMeco Ryans, center Chris White.

Colts (9): receiver Hank Baskett, safety Antoine Bethea, safety Aaron Francisco, linebacker Tyjaun Hagler, cornerback Marlin Jackson, cornerback Tim Jennings, tackle Charlie Johnson, linebacker Freddy Keiaho, cornerback T.J. Rushing.

Jaguars (3): linebacker Clint Ingram, defensive tackle Montavious Stanley, receiver Troy Williamson.

Chiefs (6): quarterback Brodie Croyle, linebacker Derrick Johnson, linebacker Corey Mays, center Rudy Niswanger, tackle Ryan O'Callaghan, safety Jarrad Page.

Dolphins (2): running back Ronnie Brown, tight end Anthony Fasano.

Vikings (6): tackle Ryan Cook, defensive end Ray Edwards, defensive tackle Fred Evans, quarterback Tarvaris Jackson, cornerback Karl Paymah, fullback Naufahu Tahi.

Patriots (3): kicker Stephen Gostkowski, guard Logan Mankins, linebacker Pierre Woods.

Saints (11): running back Mike Bell, tackle Jammal Brown, guard Jahri Evans, defensive tackle Tony Hargrove, safety Roman Harper, safety Herana-Daze Jones, receiver Lance Moore, receiver Courtney Roby, tackle Zach Strief, tight end David Thomas, cornerback Leigh Torrence.

Giants (9): linebacker Chase Blackburn, guard Kevin Boothe, safety C.C. Brown, nose tackle Barry Cofield, cornerback Kevin Dockery, receiver Derek Hagan, receiver Sinorice Moss, tackle Guy Whimper, linebacker Gerris Wilkinson.

Jets (8): quarterback Kellen Clemens, cornerback Drew Coleman, receiver Braylon Edwards, nose tackle Howard Green, tackle Wayne Hunter, receiver Brad Smith, safety Eric Smith, running back Leon Washington.

Raiders (7): linebacker Jon Alston, tackle Khalif Barnes, linebacker Ricky Brown, quarterback Charlie Frye, linebacker Thomas Howard, linebacker Kirk Morrison, cornerback Stanford Routt.

Eagles (8): receiver Jason Avant, center Nick Cole, linebacker Omar Gaither, linebacker Chris Gocong, cornerback Ellis Hobbs, guard Max Jean-Gilles, tight end Alex Smith, fullback Leonard Weaver.

Steelers (1): tackle Willie Colon.

Chargers (11): linebacker Tim Dobbins, receiver Malcom Floyd, defensive tackle Antonio Garay, center Eric Ghiaciuc, linebacker Marques Harris, receiver Vincent Jackson, defensive end Travis Johnson, tackle Marcus McNeill, linebacker Shawne Merriman, running back Darren Sproles, quarterback Charlie Whitehurst.

Seahawks (5): linebacker Lance Laury, punter Jon Ryan, guard Rob Sims, center Chris Spencer, defensive end Darryl Tapp.

49ers (3): guard David Baas, linebacker Ahmad Brooks, cornerback Marcus Hudson.

Rams (7): defensive end Victor Adeyanju, safety Oshiomogho Atogwe, tackle Alex Barron, running back Sam Gado, defensive tackle Gary Gibson, receiver Ruvell Martin, guard Mark Setterstrom.

Buccaneers (9): receiver Mark Bradley, receiver Brian Clark, linebacker Matt McCoy, tackle Donald Penn, linebacker Barrett Ruud, receiver Maurice Stovall, tackle Jeremy Trueblood, running back Carnell Williams, linebacker Rod Wilson.

Titans (6): defensive end Dave Ball, defensive tackle Tony Brown, tight end Bo Scaife, linebacker Stephen Tulloch, defensive tackle Kevin Vickerson, running back LenDale White.

Redskins (7): quarterback Jason Campbell, safety Reed Doughty, defensive tackle Kedric Golston, linebacker Rocky McIntosh, defensive tackle Anthony Montgomery, center Will Montgomery, cornerback Carlos Rogers.

 

[coolnerd]

Why uncapped sucks for players

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/316844-...n-uncapped-2010

1. Two years of free agents are thrown under the bus.

Right now, it takes four years of service for a player to reach unrestricted free agency. In 2010, however, the lack of a salary cap also triggers a clause in the CBA that pushes the bar to free agency to six seasons.

Thus, all the players from the classes of 2005 and 2006 with expiring contracts will potentially be restricted free agents, subject to one-year tenders at rates of $1 million to $3 million, rather than unrestricted free agents.

According to the Associated Press, 212 players will be affected by this change, including Denver Broncos quarterback Kyle Orton, Dallas Cowboys receiver Miles Austin, New England Patriots guard Logan Mankins, and San Diego Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman.

Moreover, each team still has its franchise tag, which could further reduce the availability of free agents.

2. The "Final Eight Plan" will limit the demand for free agents.

As mentioned above, the Final Eight Plan limits the demand for free agents. And what happens when demand drops?

Prices tend to fall. Even if something is rare, it's cheap if there's no market for it.

With fewer blue-chip players available, those few that do reach free agency might get top dollar, but it's likely that a lot of other players will earn less than they might have with a larger market.

3. There's no "dead money" to worry about.

The CBA allows teams to spread out the bonus money a team gives a player over the length of the contract. If a player is cut or traded, however, any remaining bonus money from future years "accelerates" onto the current cap and/or the next year's.

For example, the Redskins could not have cut Albert Haynesworth this year, as they would have had to cut other players just to fit his signing bonus into this year's cap.

With no cap in 2010, though, teams might be able to cut such "dead weight" with little or no impunity. It wouldn't be surprising to see some first-round draft busts, such as the New York Jets' Vernon Gholston, or "problem children" such as the Patriots' Adalius Thomas, handed their walking papers next year.

4. Owners don't have to pay as much.

A tiff erupted between Smith and NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell over the possibility that the NFL could reduce disability and/or pension payments for disabled payments (which the NFL wisely chose not to do). Similarly, the owners won't have to contribute to pension plans and other benefits for current players.

More importantly, while the CBA places a maximum amount that teams can spend on player salaries, it also places a minimum amount; this year, teams are required to spend 87.6 percent of their salary cap allotments on player salaries.

When the salary cap goes away, though, that floor will go away as well, so stingy owners could decide to save money by simply spending less on their rosters. Moreover, other benefits, such as contributions to the players' pension plans, would also be suspended in an uncapped year.

It's hard to say exactly what will happen if 2010 turns out to be uncapped. But it stands to reason that many people who might be looking forward to it now will be unhappy if it actually comes to pass.

 

[eefflrat]

List of over 200 player not FA because of 6 years instead of 4 years

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/...ee-agents/#more

Cardinals (6): safety Hamza Abdullah, fullback Justin Green, guard Deuce Lutui, kicker Mike Nugent, receiver Jerheme Urban, nose tackle Gabe Watson.

Falcons (7): tackle Tyson Clabo, guard Harvey Dahl, safety Jamaal Fudge, punter Michael Koenen, running back Jerious Norwood, guard Quinn Ojinnaka, safety Charlie Peprah.

Ravens (10): guard Chris Chester, receiver Mark Clayton, kicker Billy Cundiff, punter Sam Koch, safety Dawan Landry, tackle Tony Moll, tight end Quinn Sypniewski, tackle Adam Terry, cornerback Fabian Washington, receiver Demetrius Williams.

Bills (6): linebacker Keith Ellison, quarterback Gibran Hamdan, guard Richie Incognito, tight end Joe Klopfenstein, safety George Wilson, safety Ashton Youboty.

Panthers (5): linebacker James Anderson, linebacker Thomas Davis, tight end Jeff King, cornerback Richard Marshall, tackle Rob Petitti.

Bears (5): defensive end Mark Anderson, safety Josh Bullocks, nose tackle Dusty Dvoracek, safety Danieal Manning, linebacker Jamar Williams.

Bengals (5): linebacker Abdul Hodge, linebacker Rashad Jeanty, linebacker Brandon Johnson, guard Evan Mathis, defensive end Frostee Rucker.

Browns (7): safety Abram Elam, linebacker Arnold Harrison, running back Jerome Harrison, linebacker D'Qwell Jackson, safety Brodney Pool, linebacker Matt Roth, fullback Lawrence Vickers.

Cowboys (12): receiver Miles Austin, defensive end Stephen Bowen, cornerback Cletis Gordon, defensive end Jason Hatcher, receiver Sam Hurd, tackle Pat McQuistan, center Duke Preston, guard Cory Procter, safety Gerald Sensabaugh, defensive end Marcus Spears, safety Pat Watkins, kicker Shaun Suisham.

Broncos (13): defensive end Elvis Dumervil, guard Chris Kuper, receiver Brandon Marshall, quarterback Kyle Orton, tight end Tony Scheffler, defensive end Le Kevin Smith, safety Daniel Bullocks, center Dylan Gandy, defensive end Jason Hunter, receiver Adam Jennings, guard Daniel Loper, safety Ko Simpson, linebacker Cody Spencer,

Packers (8): safety Atari Bigby, cornerback Will Blackmon, guard Daryn Colledge, safety Nick Collins, defensive end Johnny Jolly, fullback John Kuhn, safety Derrick Martin, center Jason Spitz.

Texans (7): safety John Busing, tackle Rashad Butler, tight end Owen Daniels, runing back Ryan Moats, safety Bernard Pollard, linebacker DeMeco Ryans, center Chris White.

Colts (9): receiver Hank Baskett, safety Antoine Bethea, safety Aaron Francisco, linebacker Tyjaun Hagler, cornerback Marlin Jackson, cornerback Tim Jennings, tackle Charlie Johnson, linebacker Freddy Keiaho, cornerback T.J. Rushing.

Jaguars (3): linebacker Clint Ingram, defensive tackle Montavious Stanley, receiver Troy Williamson.

Chiefs (6): quarterback Brodie Croyle, linebacker Derrick Johnson, linebacker Corey Mays, center Rudy Niswanger, tackle Ryan O'Callaghan, safety Jarrad Page.

Dolphins (2): running back Ronnie Brown, tight end Anthony Fasano.

Vikings (6): tackle Ryan Cook, defensive end Ray Edwards, defensive tackle Fred Evans, quarterback Tarvaris Jackson, cornerback Karl Paymah, fullback Naufahu Tahi.

Patriots (3): kicker Stephen Gostkowski, guard Logan Mankins, linebacker Pierre Woods.

Saints (11): running back Mike Bell, tackle Jammal Brown, guard Jahri Evans, defensive tackle Tony Hargrove, safety Roman Harper, safety Herana-Daze Jones, receiver Lance Moore, receiver Courtney Roby, tackle Zach Strief, tight end David Thomas, cornerback Leigh Torrence.

Giants (9): linebacker Chase Blackburn, guard Kevin Boothe, safety C.C. Brown, nose tackle Barry Cofield, cornerback Kevin Dockery, receiver Derek Hagan, receiver Sinorice Moss, tackle Guy Whimper, linebacker Gerris Wilkinson.

Jets (8): quarterback Kellen Clemens, cornerback Drew Coleman, receiver Braylon Edwards, nose tackle Howard Green, tackle Wayne Hunter, receiver Brad Smith, safety Eric Smith, running back Leon Washington.

Raiders (7): linebacker Jon Alston, tackle Khalif Barnes, linebacker Ricky Brown, quarterback Charlie Frye, linebacker Thomas Howard, linebacker Kirk Morrison, cornerback Stanford Routt.

Eagles (8): receiver Jason Avant, center Nick Cole, linebacker Omar Gaither, linebacker Chris Gocong, cornerback Ellis Hobbs, guard Max Jean-Gilles, tight end Alex Smith, fullback Leonard Weaver.

Steelers (1): tackle Willie Colon.

Chargers (11): linebacker Tim Dobbins, receiver Malcom Floyd, defensive tackle Antonio Garay, center Eric Ghiaciuc, linebacker Marques Harris, receiver Vincent Jackson, defensive end Travis Johnson, tackle Marcus McNeill, linebacker Shawne Merriman, running back Darren Sproles, quarterback Charlie Whitehurst.

Seahawks (5): linebacker Lance Laury, punter Jon Ryan, guard Rob Sims, center Chris Spencer, defensive end Darryl Tapp.

49ers (3): guard David Baas, linebacker Ahmad Brooks, cornerback Marcus Hudson.

Rams (7): defensive end Victor Adeyanju, safety Oshiomogho Atogwe, tackle Alex Barron, running back Sam Gado, defensive tackle Gary Gibson, receiver Ruvell Martin, guard Mark Setterstrom.

Buccaneers (9): receiver Mark Bradley, receiver Brian Clark, linebacker Matt McCoy, tackle Donald Penn, linebacker Barrett Ruud, receiver Maurice Stovall, tackle Jeremy Trueblood, running back Carnell Williams, linebacker Rod Wilson.

Titans (6): defensive end Dave Ball, defensive tackle Tony Brown, tight end Bo Scaife, linebacker Stephen Tulloch, defensive tackle Kevin Vickerson, running back LenDale White.

Redskins (7): quarterback Jason Campbell, safety Reed Doughty, defensive tackle Kedric Golston, linebacker Rocky McIntosh, defensive tackle Anthony Montgomery, center Will Montgomery, cornerback Carlos Rogers.

That's an impressive list...the Chargers have a lot of guys that would have been FA's that are now RFA's? so, could a team possibly tender all these guys?

 

[coolnerd]

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Frustr...abor-front.html

Final eight not quite as restrictive as final four.

Why is the Final Eight plan being misreported?

I’ve heard many reports that top unrestricted free agent (UFA) players such as Julius Peppers are closed off from signing with a quarter of NFL teams as a result of the Final Eight rule. Well, uh, no. Peppers and others are fair game for teams that lost in the divisional round – Cardinals, Cowboys, Ravens and Chargers -- and are allowed to sign one player with a first-year salary of $5.7 million (projected).

AP

Panthers DE Julius Peppers

True, the Final Four teams are prevented from signing top UFAs unless they lose their own in similar value, but a quarter of the league is a lot different than an eighth of the league.

 

[coolnerd]

There is no limit to the number of players that a team could tender in any RFA category as far as I have been able to read.

 

[Marvelous]

A comment on the uncapped year. The CBA included an uncapped year that was undesirable for both the owners and the players. And that would provide the incentive for each side to extend the CBA as the uncapped year approached each time.

The fact that the owners are so willing to go to the uncapped year shows that the CBA has become unbalanced in favor of the players. I think the players were mis-sold on the benefits of the uncapped year and that they really won't get much benefit out it at all. The exception may be the top free agents this year, which will be a really weak free agent class. Also, veterans are more likely to be cut since there is no dead money on the cap issue. That could be a bonus since they could sign a new contract with a new signing bonus.