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[icecoldbrewski]

8 owners, $50 buy in, Yahoo head-to-head league. Points champ splits the pot with the head-to-head champ.

Owner A argues that since yahoo stopped tallying points after week 14 (he led by 3 points), that he should be the points champ.

Owner B argues that since it's a 16 week head-to-head league, points for week 15 and 16 should count as well, regardless of when yahoo stopped adding points. Which would make team B the points champ.

Which owner do you agree with?

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Do you have by-laws?

 

[Air Stich]

This should have been clear before the season. In the two leagues I play that include a total points prize, we go through week 16. It seems pretty obvious to me.

 

[Your Mom]

Whatever your rules say. If you don't have any rules then flip a coin.

 

[Avery]

Whichever your rules say.

In one league I'm in the points champion is determined after the "regular season" (ending in week 13 before the playoffs). In another it is determined at the end of the fantasy season (through week 16).

If you league didn't have the basic foresight to spell out this rather important distinction until now, I'd say it's through week 16.

 

[Chimp Magnet]

Owner A is right. Not all teams played in week 15/16 I'm assuming. Not fair to penalize a non playoff team twice.

 

[Topes]

It really depends on what your rules say.

Not knowing what your league rules say, I'd offer that weeks 14 and 16 seem equally arbitrary.

I am in a Yahoo Points league. Whoever has the most points after Week 17 is the winner.

 

[Go deep]

You award the total points leader a prize but didnt specify what week yyou stop tallying points? I think the guy who had the most total points at the end of the regular season should get the cash.

 

[Londo]

So what happens during weeks 15 and 16? Is it a H2H playoff with many teams eliminated from competition? If so, then I would think whoever is leading the points race at the end of the regular season would take that half of the pot (Team A). It wouldn't exactly be fair to allow some teams to continue accruing points, AND give them a chance at the H2H prize while eliminating others.

Also, why on Earth wouldn't this have been spelled out before the season began?

 

[Topes]

Owner A is right. Not all teams played in week 15/16 I'm assuming. Not fair to penalize a non playoff team twice.

Not sure if that's a reasonable assumption you got there.

 

[poopdawg]

In all of my leagues, the total points are determined during the regular season and do not continue into the playoffs. In any case, if your rules dont clearly state which way, you may be SOL on this one. Good luck!

 

[Avery]

Owner A is right. Not all teams played in week 15/16 I'm assuming. Not fair to penalize a non playoff team twice.

In my league where the regular points champion goes through week 16, teams not playing submit lineups anyway to amass total points, although everybody actually knows this already so at this point, in this league maybe week 14 is the right thing to do.

 

[smcindoe]

Do all teams continue to submit lineups in weeks 15/16, even if they don't have a playoff game? If so, count all 16 weeks.

If teams no longer compete once they're eliminated, use the regular season. Otherwise you're essentially ensuring that one of the two teams in the finals will also win the points title, in which case why bother with the split?

 

[Go deep]

This thread got me thinking about a Phenoms league i am in. The total points leader wins a aprt of the pot. I was the leader going into week 14, but ended up in 2nd place after the week. I stopped putting my lineup in because i missed the playoffs. I just went to check what week the total points stop tallying. Turns out it was week 16 and i have left guys like Orton and Gates in my linup and will likely lose the total points champioship by less than 50 points.

I know, PTTS, but i just cost myself a couple of hundred bucks.

 

[mad sweeney]

You award the total points leader a prize but didnt specify what week yyou stop tallying points? I think the guy who had the most total points at the end of the regular season should get the cash.

Points are almost always, unless otherwise stated, an end of the regular season deal. There's not really an argument against that. So whoever had the most points at the end of the regular season takes it.ORThe owner most likely to give you the biggest tip out.

 

[Chimp Magnet]

Owner A is right. Not all teams played in week 15/16 I'm assuming. Not fair to penalize a non playoff team twice.

Not sure if that's a reasonable assumption you got there.

Depending on how his playoff brackets are set up, a team that didn't make the playoffs may be done for the year after week 14. So including weeks 15 and 16 in the total points calculation isn't fair. Unless teams are required to submit rosters just because of this point like one of the other posters said.

 

[Runningman]

Whatever your rules say. If you don't have any rules then flip a coin.

This or split the prize money between the two and write a rule for next year.

 

[two_dollars]

If teams are not required to submit a roster once eliminated, then total points goes to the regular season winner.

 

[Runningman]

The rule may be on the web site, if it stopped tallying on week 14 it was probably set to that and arguably "the rule".

 

[theplayer11]

If Yahoo doesn't tally points after week 14...isn't it obvious that the total point winner should be the regular season point winner?...

What are you supposed to do, go over each owner's line up and manually figure the points?...that seem silly.

 

[Novice2]

Your rules default to the provider. Yahoo stopped week 13? Tell Owner B to stop #####ing.

 

[Topes]

Owner A is right. Not all teams played in week 15/16 I'm assuming. Not fair to penalize a non playoff team twice.

Not sure if that's a reasonable assumption you got there.

Depending on how his playoff brackets are set up, a team that didn't make the playoffs may be done for the year after week 14. So including weeks 15 and 16 in the total points calculation isn't fair. Unless teams are required to submit rosters just because of this point like one of the other posters said.

Quite possible. More likely than not. But can't assume so.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Huge fan of leagues that don't have rules that spell out minor things like payouts.

 

[RUSF18]

To me, the intent behind this is to give a reward for the team who put up the most points, but for a reason such as bad luck with matchups, he ended up missing the playoffs and doesn't have a shot at the trophy/cash. Is that fair to say? If so, your regular season ended at week 14, which is why Yahoo stopped tallying points. Team A gets it.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

funny how many people know the answer without having the rules to get in the way of what they know.

how about you post your rules, not your paraphrasing of them.

 

[bleedgreen]

I think if everyone continues to make waiver wire moves and set lineups then it's the full 16 weeks.

If not, and it's only playoff teams going at each other, then it's the regular season.

We didn't discuss it in my league but assumed it was regular season because after regular season, non contention teams are prevented from adding/dropping and there is no reason to set a lineup for some teams.

If there doesn't seem to be a common sense consensus among your league, just split the points money between the two of you and put it in writing next season.

 

[Warrior]

Your rules default to the provider. Yahoo stopped week 13? Tell Owner B to stop #####ing.

BINGO!I'm baffled at the number of posters saying otherwise. Shame on you guys.

 

[joffer]

i'm not a rules freak, but i would think "how we determine the winner" would be near the top of the list.

 

[icecoldbrewski]

Just to clarify one thing. All teams played 16 games. Even teams that didn't make the playoffs played in a consolation bracket.

 

[krsone21]

My personal opinion is that the points should be done adding up once the regular season has ended. So whoever is the points champ at the end of the regular season should get it. My reasoning is that because of dumb luck in scheduling I have seen points champs not make it into playoffs. So they shouldn't be penalized for not making the playoffs.

My vote is whoever was leading at the end of the regular season is the points champ.

 

[DrJ]

They split that pot 50/50 between them since there's no clear rule and then fire the commish for someone more competent next season. Problem solved.

Only slight issue is that you have a league full of owners that didn't notice this oversight before the end of the season either, so you'll probably have to kick to commish out entirely so you can recruit someone competent from outside. Or expand by 2 teams and try and seek 2 competent people for those teams if you're feeling generous to the commish. Downside there is that 2 competent people would probably dominate your league for eternity between them.

 

[kinghill]

we take our total points champ all the way to week 17 to extend the fun

but yeah whatever your rules say, go with it. if you didn't make a rule stating when total points champ was crowned, give 50% of it to ownerA, 50% to ownerB

 

[jackdubl]

Do all teams continue to submit lineups in weeks 15/16, even if they don't have a playoff game? If so, count all 16 weeks.If teams no longer compete once they're eliminated, use the regular season. Otherwise you're essentially ensuring that one of the two teams in the finals will also win the points title, in which case why bother with the split?

Gotta cut it off at the end of the regular season or week 14, if everyone was still playing week 14. You can't count playoffs because you didn't specify it at the beginning, so people out of it may have stopped submitting premium lineups. No longer a true points total.

 

[Hoosier16]

Just to clarify one thing. All teams played 16 games. Even teams that didn't make the playoffs played in a consolation bracket.

I think most would assume that the points champion would be determined at the end of the regular season and not include the playoffs. Teams in a consolation bracket will likely not put forth as much effort as those in the championship bracket, especially if there is nothing on the line.How do you determine who gets in the playoffs? Are points used at all to determine that? If so, I think it's aesy to argue most would assume that the points stop counting at the end of the season.

 

[Kanil]

They split that pot 50/50 between them since there's no clear rule and then fire the commish for someone more competent next season. Problem solved. Only slight issue is that you have a league full of owners that didn't notice this oversight before the end of the season either, so you'll probably have to kick to commish out entirely so you can recruit someone competent from outside. Or expand by 2 teams and try and seek 2 competent people for those teams if you're feeling generous to the commish. Downside there is that 2 competent people would probably dominate your league for eternity between them.

 

[Saint]

Always good to have a clause "For all situations uncovered, rules default to the provider."

In our league, we score total points through regular season. However, if you haven't clarified the rules, then I agree with an earlier poster and split the total points pot 50/50.

 

[Bri]

Just to clarify one thing. All teams played 16 games. Even teams that didn't make the playoffs played in a consolation bracket.

The guy shorted money will leave and others will possibly follow.Seems like the commish (because he is ultimately responsible for the rules) should have had a more clear rule in there.Since you mentioned playoffs, this seems like an extra prize. What is it? 50 bucks? 25 bucks? Call it your oops and take a little out of your pocket to smooth things over. It doesn't matter what the vote is. The guy not getting paid is going to walk. Squash this before it's a big deal about nothing.

 

[theplayer11]

how could this question not have been asked during the season? You only have a play-off winner and total point winner. No owner was curious enough to ask when total points ended....regular season or through play-offs?

 

[Bri]

icecold, see there's posts about booting the commish and ...ya gotta squash this before it's a whole lot of drama for 25 bucks

 

[RUSF18]

Another stupid question...is this the first year for the league?

 

[kncks12]

8 owners, $50 buy in, Yahoo head-to-head league. Points champ splits the pot with the head-to-head champ.

Owner A argues that since yahoo stopped tallying points after week 14 (he led by 3 points), that he should be the points champ.

Owner B argues that since it's a 16 week head-to-head league, points for week 15 and 16 should count as well, regardless of when yahoo stopped adding points. Which would make team B the points champ.

Which owner do you agree with?

Easy...Owner A should get the pts title. Season is over week 14 and not every team goes to playoffs. Not even a discussion on this one, Owner A is the champ. Every site keeps pts through how long the whole season is, but the pts title obviously goes to the person who has the most pts when the regular season is over.

 

[yellowdog]

I agree with owner A, unless rules otherwise stipulate.

 

[Avery]

i'm not a rules freak, but i would think "how we determine the winner" would be near the top of the list.

 

[TheChairman]

Unless otherwise specified, I'd say the default is only regular season scoring.

 

[FantasyTrader]

8 owners, $50 buy in, Yahoo head-to-head league. Points champ splits the pot with the head-to-head champ.

Owner A argues that since yahoo stopped tallying points after week 14 (he led by 3 points), that he should be the points champ.

Owner B argues that since it's a 16 week head-to-head league, points for week 15 and 16 should count as well, regardless of when yahoo stopped adding points. Which would make team B the points champ.

Which owner do you agree with?

The underlined is your answer. It's a 16 week H2H league. Not a "until whenever the he!! Yahoo stops scoring" league. If you billed it as a 16 week league the TP winner is the guy with the most points after 16 weeks. I could give a ##### if your commish needs an abacus to tally it. Reading this thread, I'm starting to feel like I'm in the minority of people who knows what the term "total points" means. (Hint: Total = every single one). And to the previous poster that's disappointed in this answer, it's the right one. You should be disappointed in yourself.

 

[username]

Owner A is right.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Owner A is right. Not all teams played in week 15/16 I'm assuming. Not fair to penalize a non playoff team twice.

I don't think it really needs to be written in the rules because it should be common sense that if all teams don't play the same number of games how can they all compete for the Points Champ money?

 

[username]

has anyone ever heard of points, stats etc in any pro league continuing to accumulate into the post season?

ie -

Batting avg, HR, RBI, W-L, ERA in baseball

Rushing titles, catches, passing etc in football?

owner A is correct, owner B is just fuxxing greedy

end of

 

[FantasyTrader]

Owner A is right. Not all teams played in week 15/16 I'm assuming. Not fair to penalize a non playoff team twice.

I don't think it really needs to be written in the rules because it should be common sense that if all teams don't play the same number of games how can they all compete for the Points Champ money?

All of the teams did play 16 games according to OP.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Owner A is right. Not all teams played in week 15/16 I'm assuming. Not fair to penalize a non playoff team twice.

In my league where the regular points champion goes through week 16, teams not playing submit lineups anyway to amass total points, although everybody actually knows this already so at this point, in this league maybe week 14 is the right thing to do.

This would be the exception. I could see this working.If nothing is written in the rules though, I don't see how on earth anyone could reasonably think that teams out of the playoffs could compete for Points Champ money. It wouldn't be fair.