HERD's NFL Mock - "Where all the HC candidates at?" Edit (1 Viewer)

[Abraham]

Sift the flower. Roll the dough. Draft order is close to correct in round 3, I think. If it's not, deal.



Round 1

1. Atlanta Falcons via Miami* - Matt Ryan - QB - BC - The NFL is about selling tickets before it is about winning. Plus, the new coach is going to want a new guy to start fresh with.

2. St. Louis Rams - Glenn Dorsey - DT - LSU - Pushes Carriker to a more natural DE, Rams get high-motor, super-agile run stuffer.

3. Miami Dolphins via Atlanta* - Chris Long - DE - UVA - Parcells begins building the new Miami D, desperate for some younger guys in the tenches.

4. Oakland Raiders - Sedric Ellis - DT - USC - Sapp out, Ellis in.

5. Kansas City Chiefs - Jake Long - OT - UM - Lucky Chiefs snatch up solid, but not spectacular, top OT.

6. New York Jets - Darren McFadden - RB - UA - I can hear the Jets fans typing already. Hint: Keep reading.

7. New England Patriots - Vernon Gholston - DE - OSU - I love Gholston. I could see him going 3 to Miami. Regardless, the rich get richer.

8. Baltimore Ravens - Ryan Clady - OT - BSU - Clady is racing up charts and could go higher.

9. Cincinatti Bengals - Derrick Harvey - DE - UF - If you can't get to the QB, you can't compete in - much less win - the AFC.

10. New Orleans Saints - Kenny Phillips - S - Um - Reed, Taylor, Merriweather, now Phillips. Quality at a need position for NO

11. Buffalo Bills - Mike Jenkins - CB - USF - Jenkins should be the standout CB in an otherwise mediocre CB class.

12. Denver Broncos - Frank Okam - DT - UTexas - Okam has the versatility, size, and footwork to contribute right away. I have him much higher then most.

13. Carolina Panthers - Calais Campbell - DE - UM - Not long ago, the Panther DL was tops in the league. Depth is an issue now, thus Campbell

14. Chicago Bears - Jeff Otah - OT - Pittsburgh - Bears OL was terrible in '07.

15. Detroit Lions - Phillip Merling - DE - Clemson - Most folks have Merling a round lower. Most folks underestimate the importance of a well rounded DE.

16. Arizona Cardinals - Felix Jones - RB - UA - And the fun begins.

17. Minnesota Vikings - Malcolm Kelly - WR - OU - Well-rounded receiver joins the young, high-potential Rice.

18. Seattle Seahawks via Houston** - Rashard Mendenhall - Conventional wisdom says the 'Hawks will go local with Stewart, but RM is a much hotter prospect then people realize. I've seen him in the top-7 in three recent mocks.

19. Philadelphia Eagles - Marcus Griffin - S - UTexas - Better against the run then his brother Michael (Titans), but also a little slower.

20. Tampa Bay Bucs - Keith Rivers - LB - USC - Rivers is a little undersized, but he is a high-level performer.

21. Washington Redskins - Quentin Groves - DE - Hasn't looked 100% since toe injury, but he has a great motor and good size when healthy.

22. Dallas Cowboys - Reggie Smith - DB - OU - Versatile safety should help in a lot of spots, even if Roy Williams is back.

23. Pittsburgh Steelers - Sam Baker - OT - USC - Thought of as a zone blocker, Baker is a quick learner and has the size and attitude needed to step in right away.

24. Miami Dolphins via Tennessee*** - Brian Brohm - QB - Louisville - Dolphins trade back in to round 1 to get their new QB.

25. Houston Texans via Seattle** - Johnathan Stewart - RB - Oregon - Stewart is more fast then quick, but that will work out just fine in the Houston run game.

26. New York Giants - Dan Connor - LB - PSU - This pick makes too much sense to not happen. Unless, of course, Connor wows at the workouts and goes higher.

27. Jacksonville Jaguars - Kentwan Balmer - DT - UNC - Stroud and Henderson haven't been their best lately, Balmer is versatile and super-strong.

28. San Diego Chargers - Gosder Cherilus - OT - BC - Strong RT prospect is a solid talent for a position of need.

29. Dallas Cowboys - Jamaal Charles - RB - UTexas - Julius is gone, Jerry takes a speedster with good size to compliment MBIII.

30. San Fransisco 49ers - Desean Jackson - WR - Cal - 49ers get the game-breaker they have been desperately needing.

31. Green Bay Packers - Tracy Porter - CB - Indiana - GB's corners were much better in 2007 than I expected. But they're also getting older...

Round 2

1. Tennessee*** - Leodis McKelvin - CB - Troy - Adding a speed corner allows Griffin to go to safety for good.

2. St. Louis - Phil Loadholt - OT - BIG line prospect that should be able to step in quickly at OG or RT

3. Oakland - Lawrence Jackson - DE - USC - 2nd d-line pick, Raiders trying to figure out what went wrong on D in '07

4. Kansas City - Antoine Cason - CB - Cason is all over the map. He could go top-15 or in the 3rd round.

5. Atlanta - Pat Sims - DT - Auburn - New regime (Rex Ryan or otherwise) knows that D begins up front.

6. NYJets - Chris Williams - OT - Vanderbilt - RB play was marginal in '07, O-line play was worse.

7. Baltimore - Andre Woodson - QB - UK - Baltimore's good fortune...highest upside QB falls to round 2.

8. San Fran - Adarius Bowman - WR - LSU - Martz needs better targets then Lelie and Jackson to develop Smith. Yes, I know they've gone WR/WR.

9. New Orleans - Ali Highsmith - LB - LSU - Highsmith heads a skip down I-10 to further solidify Saints D

10. Buffalo - Limas Sweed - WR - UTexas - Surehanded compliment to Evans for years to come.

11. Denver - Charles Godfrey - DB - Iowa - Versatile DB can help revitalize Denver D

12. Carolina - Phillip Wheeler - LB - GTech - Wheeler slides a hair, but that's Carolina's gain.

13. Chicago - John Heffney - S - Tennessee - not great safety size, but Heffney has speed to burn and can play CB as well

14. Detroit - Aqib Talib - DB - PSU - Good size and speed to help the Lions inconsistent d-backfield.

15. Cincinatti - Red Bryant - DT - Texas A/M - Bryant and 1st rounder Harvey address the Bengals huge trench need. A good haul for Cincy.

16. Minnesota - Justin King - CB - PSU - More DB help to slow down the speed of the NFC North

17. Tennessee*** - Mario Manningham - WR - UM - Speedy receiver with questionable hands takes his show to Nashvegas.

18. Philadelphia - Fred Davis - TE - USC - TE is vital to the Philly offense, and LJ Smith may be gone.

19. Arizona - Tavaris Gooden - LB - Miami - Next in a long line of productive, pro-ready Hurricane LBs.

20. Washington - Early Doucet - WR - LSU - Skins WRs are good, but far from great. Doucet adds some solid size to the corps.

21. Tampa Bay - Chad Henne - QB - UM - Gruden has a year or two to groom him behind Garcia.

22. Cleveland - Demario Pressley - DT - NCState - Cleveland's offense was better then expected in '07. Now, it's time for the D

23. Houston** - Roy Schuening - OG - OG - Oregon State - Houston continues the never-ending process of building a line.

24. Pittsburgh - Erin Henderson - LB - Maryland - Cornerstone of Steeler D: Aggressive LBs who can shed the first wave of blocks.

25. Tennessee - Martellus Bennett - TE - Texas A/M - Troupe maybe on the way out, Bennett is HUGE and can block and catch.

26. NY Giants - Patrick Lee - CB - Auburn - Ross was a great find in 2007, Lee should be able to help in nickel early on.

27. Jacksonville - James Hardy - WR - Indiana - Jags add another large, but not fast, receiver.

28. MIami - John Carlson - TE - Notre Dame - Parcells gets his new QB a well-rounded target in the mold of Witten

29. Indianapolis - Chris Ellis - DE - VTech - the Colts need depth at DE.

30. Dallas - Earl Bennett - WR - Vanderbilt - Young talent to pair with the old guys to add depth in the short term, quality in the long term.

31. Green Bay - Devin Thomas - WR - Michigan State - The current crop has been good, but they still need some depth. K-Rob likely out.

32. New England - MArcus Harrison - DT - Arkansas - Harrison doesn't have a lot of size, but he'll add some versatility to the Hoodie's D line.



Round 3

1. Miami - Shawn Crable - LB - Michigan - Crable has great size and helps with the Miami youth movement on D

2. St. Louis - Keanan Burton - WR - UK - Bruce getting older and while the new adds like Bennett are nice, Burton is a great find this late

3. New England - Dominique Rodgers - CB- Tennessee State - It seems you can never have too many corners in the AFC...

4. Kansas City - Harry Douglas - WR - UL - Bowe was a great find last year. KC looks to get Croyle more weapons to stare at while LJ carries 500 times.

5. Atlanta - Ray Rice - RB- Rutgers - Rice slides a hair, but now the Falcons RB corps is deep and talented.

6. NYJets - Dre Moore - DT - Maryland - Is he the NT they need? Or a spot-player at DT? He's one of the quicker DTs in the draft, but a little small.

7. Buffalo - Curtis Lofton - LB - OU - Lofton can make plays and comes from a good system. He should be able to contribute quickly.

8. San Fransisco - Anthony Collins - OT - KU - Collins could end up going 30 picks earlier, but the Niners love their luck getting him here.

9. New Orleans - Branden Flowers - CB - VTech - Flowers stock has been all over the map, the workouts will be huge for him.

10. Buffalo - Carl Nicks - OT - Nebraska - Shore up the front line even more.

11. Minnesota - Tommy Blake - DE - TCU - A nice find in the 3rd, Blake gets in the backfield with the best of them.

12. Carolina - Joe Flacco - QB - Delaware - Flacco has great size and a great arm. Lots left to learn, but a year or two behind Delhoome will help.

13. Chicago - James Davis - RB - Clemson - Benson still gets his chance, but now the competition is much more heated. Produce or find the bench.

14. Detroit - Barry Richardson - OT - Clemson - One of the thinnest OL's in the league adds a HUGE guy who may develop to a nice OG

15. Cincinatti - King Dunlap - OT - Auburn - 6'8, 312 is no joke. I like Dunlap more than most because I think he's battle tested (SEC ).

16. Minnesota - Andre Fluellen - DT - FSU - Needs to get stronger and work on technique, but the athleticism is definitely there.

17. Houston - Jake Ikegwuonu - CB - Wisconsin - For being as old as they are at this point, Houston should have more depth by now on both sides of the ball.

18. Philadelphia - Tony Hills - OT - UTexas - Hills is a somewhat underrated prospect. If he ever finds an every-down motor, look out.

19. Arizona - Drew Radovich - OG - USC - Arizona's line improved in '07, but they're not top-tier yet.

20. Washington - Thomas DeCoud - S - Cal - Versatile DeCoud can help in many ways, and immediately as a fiesty special teamer.

21. Tampa Bay - Adrian Arrington - WR - UM - Arrington looked every bit as good as Mario at times this year.

22. Seattle - Eric Young - OG - UTenn - Maybe it's Alexander, maybe it's the line. But someday soon, the Seahawks are going to need to run it well to win.

23. Cleveland - Steve Slaton - RB - WVU - Great find for Cleveland as Slaton's agility compliments (and extends the career of) Lewis.

24. Pittsburgh - Oneil Cousins - OG/OT - UTEP - More line help in the Steel city.

25. Tennessee - Xavier Adibi - LB - VTech - The Tennessee LBs actually are pretty solid and have some depth, but Adibi is too solid to pass here.

26. NY Giants - Heath Benedict - OT - NC - Benedict has lots of upside as he has good size and agility, but he's largely unproven.

27. Jacksonville - Kevin Smith - RB - UCF - Smith is too slow to go much higher. But he's a nice compliment to MJD once Taylor hangs them up.

28. Chicago - Eric Ainge - QB - UTenn - Ainge isn't very mobile, but he can make all the throws, has good touch, and great poise.

29. Indianapolis - Beau Bell - LB - UNLV - This year, Indy focuses on stocking the D to stop NE, SD, and Jax in the coming years.

30. Dallas - Terrell Thomas - CB - USC - Dallas's d backfield is revitalized....finally.

31. Green Bay - Ezra Butler - LB - Nevada - Butler has good size and speed for this year's LB draftees.

32. New England - Chris Johnson RB/WR - East Carolina - Love this pick; Johnson gives the Pats another versatile weapon on offense.

Noticeably absent: Martin Rucker, Colt Brennan, and Mike Hart

*Atlanta gives 1.03, Houston's 2nd, and a late round choice the 1.01

** Seattle gives the 1.25 and their 2nd for the 1.18

***Miami gives their 2ND and the Houston 2nd (acquired from Atlanta) for the 1.24

(Re: Trades. If anything is unequal, add in 4ths or 5ths from this year or next to balance things out; let's avoid getting stuck on the details.)

 

[Dodge]

Every mock I read has Connor going to the Giants in rd1. Interesting.

I'm still sad that the 3rd round is now day 2.

 

[Abraham]

Every mock I read has Connor going to the Giants in rd1. Interesting.I'm still sad that the 3rd round is now day 2.

Not me. In recent years, by the time day one was over, I was and thus,

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Solid, solid effort here... great read, GBCD.

I can't see the Steelers going with Baker in round 1, though. Not only do I think he'll be gone by then, but he's not really their type of blocker. The Steelers typically draft big guys that are stout run blockers that can deliver a big punch and then get to the next level. Baker is, as you said, a better fit in a zone-blocking scheme like Houston's or Denver's (in fact, in my first mock, he will likely go #12 to Denver to replace Lepsis.) I think the Steelers are much more likely to grab a guy like Otah, who has massive upside (and who I have been praying for months would drop to the Steelers, as Andy D can tell you) or a guy like Cherilus, who could probably step in immediately at RT and allow them to move Colon to guard, where he belongs. Just one guy's opinion, although I certainly wouldn't cry if they grabbed Baker, who is clearly one of the elite T prospects in this draft.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

WOAH!!!!!

13. Chicago - James Davis - RB - Clemson - Benson still gets his chance, but now the competition is much more heated. Produce or find the bench.

I take it you dont have old C-Ben ranked 4th still do ya? :WINK:

 

[kaso]

Hey Colin... do you know why the Raiders don't have a 3rd round pick? I can't remember what trade would have included that pick.

Thanks!

 

[Abraham]

Solid, solid effort here... great read, GBCD.I can't see the Steelers going with Baker in round 1, though. Not only do I think he'll be gone by then, but he's not really their type of blocker. The Steelers typically draft big guys that are stout run blockers that can deliver a big punch and then get to the next level. Baker is, as you said, a better fit in a zone-blocking scheme like Houston's or Denver's (in fact, in my first mock, he will likely go #12 to Denver to replace Lepsis.) I think the Steelers are much more likely to grab a guy like Otah, who has massive upside (and who I have been praying for months would drop to the Steelers, as Andy D can tell you) or a guy like Cherilus, who could probably step in immediately at RT and allow them to move Colon to guard, where he belongs. Just one guy's opinion, although I certainly wouldn't cry if they grabbed Baker, who is clearly one of the elite T prospects in this draft.

I'm not as high on Baker as other folks are. He could go to Carolina at 13, but I don't see him going higher. No way he goes ahead of Long and Clady.Cherilus is this year's Marcus McNeil. He'll get drafted b/w 30 and 50, start at RT immediately, do well, and 31 other teams' fans will say, "How did we miss on him?"

 

[Abraham]

Hey Colin... do you know why the Raiders don't have a 3rd round pick? I can't remember what trade would have included that pick.Thanks!

Mario Henderson trade last year.

 

[massraider]

Hey Colin... do you know why the Raiders don't have a 3rd round pick? I can't remember what trade would have included that pick.Thanks!

Traded last year to NE to take Mario Henderson.

 

[siffoin]

No way do I see the Falcons trading up to get Ryan.

#1 If they want Ryan, he'll be there when they pick anyway. I don't think they'll go QB in round #1 but many do.

#2 They're not going to be doing Parcells any favors

#3 They need the depth that the additional #2 from Houston will bring

#4 The foul taste of the last time they traded up to pick a QB is very fresh...no way they risk that with their dwindling fan base.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Solid, solid effort here... great read, GBCD.I can't see the Steelers going with Baker in round 1, though. Not only do I think he'll be gone by then, but he's not really their type of blocker. The Steelers typically draft big guys that are stout run blockers that can deliver a big punch and then get to the next level. Baker is, as you said, a better fit in a zone-blocking scheme like Houston's or Denver's (in fact, in my first mock, he will likely go #12 to Denver to replace Lepsis.) I think the Steelers are much more likely to grab a guy like Otah, who has massive upside (and who I have been praying for months would drop to the Steelers, as Andy D can tell you) or a guy like Cherilus, who could probably step in immediately at RT and allow them to move Colon to guard, where he belongs. Just one guy's opinion, although I certainly wouldn't cry if they grabbed Baker, who is clearly one of the elite T prospects in this draft.

I'm not as high on Baker as other folks are. He could go to Carolina at 13, but I don't see him going higher. No way he goes ahead of Long and Clady.Cherilus is this year's Marcus McNeil. He'll get drafted b/w 30 and 50, start at RT immediately, do well, and 31 other teams' fans will say, "How did we miss on him?"

No, I think Long and Clady will be top-10s, but I wouldn't be shocked to see Denver take Baker at #12, as he's about a perfect fit to replace Lepsis.I agree with your take on Cherilus. I wanted McNeill for the Steelers too - he's their type of lineman. I'd be lying if I said I thought he was as good as he's proven to be, but I don't want to see the Steelers fan on a guy of that caliber in a year in which they so sorely need OL help.

 

[mchaps55]

still don't think thats enought for atlanta to move into the 1 slot

 

[Ridgelake]

I like it! Lots of things that make sense.

Looking at it from the Cowboys perspective, I think you got the positions correct (S, RB, WR, CB), but potentially the order a touch off. Dallas' biggest weakness this past year was at nickle corner. I'd be shocked if 1 of their firsts wasnt a CB. There were several taken in the handful of picks after #29. I'd probably slot one there. And given the depth of RBs this year and the fact that MB3 will get the majority of the snaps, I'd think a 3rd round RB would be a better use of value. What I'm suggesting is that the CB depth is less than the RB depth. Use the early pick on the CB.

I love the Earl Bennett pick. The guy just makes plays. He's been doubled his entire career because Vandy has no one else to throw to. But he leaves (after 3 years) as the all time SEC career reception leader. Not a burner by any means (and Dallas does need a deep threat), but he's a player. I think he'd be an upgrade over Hurd as WR3/4 with the potential to develop into a solid #2, more upside than Crayton.

Overall great job!

 

[Abraham]

No way do I see the Falcons trading up to get Ryan. #1 If they want Ryan, he'll be there when they pick anyway. I don't think they'll go QB in round #1 but many do.

You presume no one else will be calling Miami and St. Louis about their picks....

#2 They're not going to be doing Parcells any favors

I think they'll do what's best for their team, Parcells involved or not.

#3 They need the depth that the additional #2 from Houston will bring

Perhaps.

#4 The foul taste of the last time they traded up to pick a QB is very fresh...no way they risk that with their dwindling fan base.

Just the opposite. The fans want/need someone to rally around and someone whose jersey can replace the Vick jersey in their kids' closet. Ryan gets the taste of "the last time" out of their mouth a lot faster then Joe and Byron.

 

[Abraham]

still don't think thats enought for atlanta to move into the 1 slot

The two pics I offered add up to 2650 and the #1 is worth 3000. A 2nd next year would do the trick and bridge the gap.

 

[TLEF316]

if thet jets draft an overrated player at a non-need position right before the Pats pick the edge rusher we so badly need, check the bridge ledges. I'll be the one in green.

 

[Abraham]

if thet jets draft an overrated player at a non-need position right before the Pats pick the edge rusher we so badly need, check the bridge ledges. I'll be the one in green.

To be fair, I went back and forth on which team got which of those two guys more then any other picks in the 1st. Gholston is the guy you need. In the end, the "franchise face" factor in the New York market my trump the beastly DE/LB that could change things in a hurry.

 

[mchaps55]

Well, it’s a nice thought, but there is no way that Atlanta will trade for the #1 overall pick to take Ryan, because he is not the prospect that Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning, or even J. Russell was last year, plus, in would have to think that they could even trade down and still get one of Brohm, Ryan, or Woodson, who I would think would be rated very closely onece the draft roles around.

 

[TLEF316]

if thet jets draft an overrated player at a non-need position right before the Pats pick the edge rusher we so badly need, check the bridge ledges. I'll be the one in green.

To be fair, I went back and forth on which team got which of those two guys more then any other picks in the 1st. Gholston is the guy you need. In the end, the "franchise face" factor in the New York market my trump the beastly DE/LB that could change things in a hurry.

You have no idea how angry this would make me. Why anyone would want to relegate Leon Washington to KR only while Bryan Thomas and god knows who elese are rushing the passer just blows my mind.I'm not saying you are nuts, because McFadden is percieved as an elite talent at a glamour position. But i really hope that Mangini and Co. learned a little something watching the Patriots draft front 7 players for the past decade. Thomas Jones and Leon washington are both VERY capable NFL backs. There isnt a back in the league that could put up pro-bowl numbers running behind Anthony clement, Brandon Moore and Jacob Bender. Not One.Pass rushers, run blockers, NT, year of experience for Clemens. Thats how you fix the Jets.

 

[Abraham]

Well, it’s a nice thought, but there is no way that Atlanta will trade for the #1 overall pick to take Ryan, because he is not the prospect that Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning, or even J. Russell was last year, plus, in would have to think that they could even trade down and still get one of Brohm, Ryan, or Woodson, who I would think would be rated very closely onece the draft roles around.

Coaches and owners (more importantly) have a way of talking themselves in to quarterbacks.

 

[BelichicksRevenge]

Whats the projection on Gholston's position in the NFL? Is he a classic 4-3 defensive end? Does he have the talent to be an outside lb in 3-4? Or possibly and inside lb?

If the Pats took him then i would envision him as an outside Line backer in the Willie McGinest Mode.

 

[Abraham]

Whats the projection on Gholston's position in the NFL? Is he a classic 4-3 defensive end? Does he have the talent to be an outside lb in 3-4? Or possibly and insude lb?

"Both" which is why he's so interesting.

 

[TLEF316]

If the Pats took him then i would envision him as an outside Line backer in the Willie McGinest Mode.

Which is exactly why I'm praying the jets take him instead of a thin legged RB who ran sweep plays through holes i could have hit. (And which were hit better by his very own backup)

 

[sheerterror]

if thet jets draft an overrated player at a non-need position right before the Pats pick the edge rusher we so badly need, check the bridge ledges. I'll be the one in green.

To be fair, I went back and forth on which team got which of those two guys more then any other picks in the 1st. Gholston is the guy you need. In the end, the "franchise face" factor in the New York market my trump the beastly DE/LB that could change things in a hurry.

You have no idea how angry this would make me. Why anyone would want to relegate Leon Washington to KR only while Bryan Thomas and god knows who elese are rushing the passer just blows my mind.I'm not saying you are nuts, because McFadden is percieved as an elite talent at a glamour position. But i really hope that Mangini and Co. learned a little something watching the Patriots draft front 7 players for the past decade. Thomas Jones and Leon washington are both VERY capable NFL backs. There isnt a back in the league that could put up pro-bowl numbers running behind Anthony clement, Brandon Moore and Jacob Bender. Not One.Pass rushers, run blockers, NT, year of experience for Clemens. Thats how you fix the Jets.

:XI've seen McFadden going to the Jets in several mocks and I just don't see. Do they need a home run hitter on offense? Yes. But they need protection for the quarterback, and running lanes to do so first. With no OL worthwhile of the number 6 pick assuming Jake Long is gone, you move on to another major need, a pass rusher. Gholston is the guy to take here. Remember, this is the same FO that could have moved up for the flashy Reggie Bush or drafted playmaker Vince Young, but instead chose to rebuild the offensive line. They aren't afraid to make the non-flashy picks that help the team more in the long run. I have faith that Mangini and Tannenbaum will make the right move(s) come draft day. If we came away with Gholston and Cherilus or Okam (if he falls) in the first day, I'd be very, very happy.From a non-homer point of view, do you really see the Vikings going with a WR in the first round? I realize Williamson has been a major bust and Rice has potential, but that would be a WR drafted within the first two round for 3 consecutive years. Do you think they'd maybe be better off going after a pass rusher or some DB help?

 

[Abraham]

From a non-homer point of view, do you really see the Vikings going with a WR in the first round? I realize Williamson has been a major bust and Rice has potential, but that would be a WR drafted within the first two round for 3 consecutive years. Do you think they'd maybe be better off going after a pass rusher or some DB help?

Anytime the top player at a certain position falls past about 14 or 15, you have to consider that anyone may grab him. The WRs in this group aren't as outstanding as many recent years, but there are some guys who should have solid careers. That point aside, yes, I think that Minnesota will be open to a WR in round 1 as they currently have 1 good/developing guy (Rice) and 1 slot contributor (Wade). They still have a need for a true #2 (or #1 if Rice doesn't fill the role). Considering their line and their running game, their offense could be GROSS for a long time if TJ develops and they get some good receivers.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

Add me to the list of guys that can't fathom Atlanta giving up extra picks to move up and draft a guy who is 99.9% likely to be there when they draft anyways.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Add me to the list of guys that can't fathom Atlanta giving up extra picks to move up and draft a guy who is 99.9% likely to be there when they draft anyways.

You never know. Teams always gravitate towards drafting QBs #1 because they can justify the expenditure of $ at that position better than any other. If Miami can sell the idea that they've soured on Beck after his limited exposure (not much of a stretch,) they could convince Atlanta that they need to move up to #1 to get Ryan.

 

[Kiddnets]

if thet jets draft an overrated player at a non-need position right before the Pats pick the edge rusher we so badly need, check the bridge ledges. I'll be the one in green.

To be fair, I went back and forth on which team got which of those two guys more then any other picks in the 1st. Gholston is the guy you need. In the end, the "franchise face" factor in the New York market my trump the beastly DE/LB that could change things in a hurry.

You have no idea how angry this would make me. Why anyone would want to relegate Leon Washington to KR only while Bryan Thomas and god knows who elese are rushing the passer just blows my mind.I'm not saying you are nuts, because McFadden is percieved as an elite talent at a glamour position. But i really hope that Mangini and Co. learned a little something watching the Patriots draft front 7 players for the past decade. Thomas Jones and Leon washington are both VERY capable NFL backs. There isnt a back in the league that could put up pro-bowl numbers running behind Anthony clement, Brandon Moore and Jacob Bender. Not One.Pass rushers, run blockers, NT, year of experience for Clemens. Thats how you fix the Jets.

I've seen McFadden going to the Jets in several mocks and I just don't see. Do they need a home run hitter on offense? Yes. But they need protection for the quarterback, and running lanes to do so first. With no OL worthwhile of the number 6 pick assuming Jake Long is gone, you move on to another major need, a pass rusher. Gholston is the guy to take here. Remember, this is the same FO that could have moved up for the flashy Reggie Bush or drafted playmaker Vince Young, but instead chose to rebuild the offensive line. They aren't afraid to make the non-flashy picks that help the team more in the long run. I have faith that Mangini and Tannenbaum will make the right move(s) come draft day. If we came away with Gholston and Cherilus or Okam (if he falls) in the first day, I'd be very, very happy.From a non-homer point of view, do you really see the Vikings going with a WR in the first round? I realize Williamson has been a major bust and Rice has potential, but that would be a WR drafted within the first two round for 3 consecutive years. Do you think they'd maybe be better off going after a pass rusher or some DB help?

I'll be devil's advocate - I assume the JEts will be able to fix the OL in FA. The defense played much better after the bye and I think adding a playmaker like DMC would completely revitalize the offense which was awful the entire year. Yes TJ and Leon are serviceable - I'm tired of serviceable players on offense. I want a gambreaker that will finally keep DC's up at night. Maybe he won't be AD but Minny took AD while having a RB younger than TJ and it was the right move. Gholston is a physical freak which scares me (natural?) and he was a bit inconsistant from what I read (did not see him play much so going off reviews) - I did see DMC and think he is the real deal. Plus to get him at #6 would be a steal. Also time to end the Brad smith experiment and get a tall WR with some speed. I trust Mangini to keep the defense respectable - but the offense is in desperate need of studs. Add a mauling guard and respectable tackle in FA - draft DMC so they need to respect the run and watch KC develop. If they fail to address the OL in FA I would be all for drafting OL with the 1st pick - that is the biggest need right now and they spent 2 1st rder on the OL 2 yrs ago - pathetic!

 

[B Maverick]

5 rbs in the 1st and none in the 2nd? with the trend of devalueing the rbs, do you think they will all of a sudden become a 1st rd position again?

 

[Texasmouth]

I like it! Lots of things that make sense. Looking at it from the Cowboys perspective, I think you got the positions correct (S, RB, WR, CB), but potentially the order a touch off. Dallas' biggest weakness this past year was at nickle corner. I'd be shocked if 1 of their firsts wasnt a CB. There were several taken in the handful of picks after #29. I'd probably slot one there. And given the depth of RBs this year and the fact that MB3 will get the majority of the snaps, I'd think a 3rd round RB would be a better use of value. What I'm suggesting is that the CB depth is less than the RB depth. Use the early pick on the CB.I love the Earl Bennett pick. The guy just makes plays. He's been doubled his entire career because Vandy has no one else to throw to. But he leaves (after 3 years) as the all time SEC career reception leader. Not a burner by any means (and Dallas does need a deep threat), but he's a player. I think he'd be an upgrade over Hurd as WR3/4 with the potential to develop into a solid #2, more upside than Crayton.Overall great job!

I totally agree but at the same time, if Jamaal Charles is there with their second first rounder, you have to take him. Charles is the perfect compliment to Barber and I could see this guy ripping off long TD every time he touches the ball. The problem with Charles is that once the combine starts and scouts start timing this guy, he is going to be a top ten pick so he may not be around for the Cowboys. He is an absolute stud on paper and his 40 time is going to be outrageous. I think he could have used another year in college and he would be talked about as a top 5 pick. The talent at corner isnt strong so I could see them waiting until the second round for a corner. That safety out of Oklahoma is a stud. He could really be a great pick if he is there. Roy Williams has got to go. I have a good feeling the Cowboys will be bringing in a free agent veteran corner to play nickel, SOMEONE LIKE AARON ####ING GLENN WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE! Jaque Reeves was brutal and teams looked for him and abused him all season long. He is a young guy though so he may still get better.

 

[Abraham]

The problem with Charles is that once the combine starts and scouts start timing this guy, he is going to be a top ten pick so he may not be around for the Cowboys.

I tend to agree. We'll see.

 

[EBF]

The problem with Charles is that once the combine starts and scouts start timing this guy, he is going to be a top ten pick so he may not be around for the Cowboys.

I tend to agree. We'll see.

It takes more than a fast 40 time to get picked in the top 10. Jerious Norwood ran a 4.33 official time at the combine and still lasted until the 3rd round. Aside from maybe Ronnie Brown (who weighed about 230 pounds by the way), I can't think of a single RB who has jumped into the top 25 based on 40 time alone. Most of the RBs who go in the first round are expected to go in that round all along (Peterson, Lynch, Bush, Maroney, DeAngelo, Cadillac, Benson, SJax, KJ). Pro scouts know that running the football in the NFL involves a lot of other factors in addition to straight line speed. So while it's nice when a guy has that elite timed speed, it's usually not a deal maker or deal breaker in terms of securing a first round draft slot. I think Charles has a chance to be a late first round draft pick, but I'm not convinced that a blazing 40 time alone will be enough to vault him into the RB2 slot. You have to realize that Mendenhall and Stewart are also going to open a lot of eyeballs in the evaluation process since they're both freaks of nature in their own right. I see Charles going somewhere between 20-45. I could see him go ahead of Felix Jones when it's all said and done, but right now I think it's unlikely that he'll leapfrog one of the two bell cow guys (Mendenhall and Stewart).

 

[Texasmouth]

The problem with Charles is that once the combine starts and scouts start timing this guy, he is going to be a top ten pick so he may not be around for the Cowboys.

I tend to agree. We'll see.

It takes more than a fast 40 time to get picked in the top 10. Jerious Norwood ran a 4.33 official time at the combine and still lasted until the 3rd round. Aside from maybe Ronnie Brown (who weighed about 230 pounds by the way), I can't think of a single RB who has jumped into the top 25 based on 40 time alone. Most of the RBs who go in the first round are expected to go in that round all along (Peterson, Lynch, Bush, Maroney, DeAngelo, Cadillac, Benson, SJax, KJ). Pro scouts know that running the football in the NFL involves a lot of other factors in addition to straight line speed. So while it's nice when a guy has that elite timed speed, it's usually not a deal maker or deal breaker in terms of securing a first round draft slot. I think Charles has a chance to be a late first round draft pick, but I'm not convinced that a blazing 40 time alone will be enough to vault him into the RB2 slot. You have to realize that Mendenhall and Stewart are also going to open a lot of eyeballs in the evaluation process since they're both freaks of nature in their own right. I see Charles going somewhere between 20-45. I could see him go ahead of Felix Jones when it's all said and done, but right now I think it's unlikely that he'll leapfrog one of the two bell cow guys (Mendenhall and Stewart).

Well, that is the thing. He has all the other intangibles. He has great vision. He is a strong inside runner. Not positive about his blocking ability. Then, on top of it all, the guy was a track star. I think he is going to jump up a long way and really surprise some people.

 

[B. Nugget]

I will do a dance in public (like that commercial where L. Coles drags his foot and they challenge the call) if the Chiefs get Jake Long and Antoine Cason in the first 2 rounds!

A WR would be nice, but OL depth and possibly a TE (Martin Rucker) would be bigger needs.

 

[EBF]

The problem with Charles is that once the combine starts and scouts start timing this guy, he is going to be a top ten pick so he may not be around for the Cowboys.

I tend to agree. We'll see.

It takes more than a fast 40 time to get picked in the top 10. Jerious Norwood ran a 4.33 official time at the combine and still lasted until the 3rd round. Aside from maybe Ronnie Brown (who weighed about 230 pounds by the way), I can't think of a single RB who has jumped into the top 25 based on 40 time alone. Most of the RBs who go in the first round are expected to go in that round all along (Peterson, Lynch, Bush, Maroney, DeAngelo, Cadillac, Benson, SJax, KJ). Pro scouts know that running the football in the NFL involves a lot of other factors in addition to straight line speed. So while it's nice when a guy has that elite timed speed, it's usually not a deal maker or deal breaker in terms of securing a first round draft slot. I think Charles has a chance to be a late first round draft pick, but I'm not convinced that a blazing 40 time alone will be enough to vault him into the RB2 slot. You have to realize that Mendenhall and Stewart are also going to open a lot of eyeballs in the evaluation process since they're both freaks of nature in their own right. I see Charles going somewhere between 20-45. I could see him go ahead of Felix Jones when it's all said and done, but right now I think it's unlikely that he'll leapfrog one of the two bell cow guys (Mendenhall and Stewart).

Well, that is the thing. He has all the other intangibles. He has great vision. He is a strong inside runner. Not positive about his blocking ability. Then, on top of it all, the guy was a track star. I think he is going to jump up a long way and really surprise some people.

Strength? Power? No one doubts that Charles has sick speed and big play skills. But the NFL usually likes its first round RBs in the 215-235 pound range. When you look at the guys who get taken in the first round, most of them fit into that range (ADP, Lynch, Maroney, DeAngelo, Addai, Cadillac, Ronnie, Benson, Jackson, KJ, Perry, McGahee, LJ, Green, Duckett). In fact, almost ALL RB prospects who have gone in the first round in the past 5-6 years have been between 215-235 pounds. Reggie Bush and Michael Bennett are the only guys under 210 to go that high. Bush was a much better prospect at this stage of his career. Bennett was barely a first rounder. It's going to be a dog fight for the RB draft slots after McFadden. I see Stewart and Mendenhall as having an edge since they're the only two guys in the second tier who have the ideal RB size that the NFL tends to look for in its first round picks. That said, anything can happen. Charles looks like he's gradually gained a little weight over the course of his career and it's not out of the question that he could leap up into the top 20. I just think you're exaggerating the impact his 40 time will have on his draft status. If he goes in the top 20-25, it will be because teams think he can be a complete RB for them.

 

[David Yudkin]

I know the pats like DLmen, but I'm not sure they will take two out of the gate. At what point would they take secondary help (which is probably their biggest area of need along with LB)?

 

[EBF]

One quick addition:

There seems to be a misconception that RB is a speed position like WR. That's not quite the case. The wide receiver is the offensive equivalent of the defensive back. But the running back is the offensive equivalent of the linebacker. It's not a pure speed position as much as it is a hybrid speed/power position, which is why most of the elite RBs in the NFL are built more like linebackers than WRs. So while 40 time is certainly an important factor, you also have to realize that the ideal RB is a workhorse who can lug the ball 15-25 times per game. Strength and power are hugely important for a pro runner.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

From a non-homer point of view, do you really see the Vikings going with a WR in the first round? I realize Williamson has been a major bust and Rice has potential, but that would be a WR drafted within the first two round for 3 consecutive years. Do you think they'd maybe be better off going after a pass rusher or some DB help?

Why does everyone think Williamson is a bust? I tried to watch him when I could and the guy is always open. He runs incredible routes and is always one of the fastest guys on the field. And this years the drops went down big time.I think he can still be a very good WR.

 

[Abraham]

I know the pats like DLmen, but I'm not sure they will take two out of the gate. At what point would they take secondary help (which is probably their biggest area of need along with LB)?

I have them essentially going LB, DT, CB, RB/WR...

 

[sheerterror]

if thet jets draft an overrated player at a non-need position right before the Pats pick the edge rusher we so badly need, check the bridge ledges. I'll be the one in green.

To be fair, I went back and forth on which team got which of those two guys more then any other picks in the 1st. Gholston is the guy you need. In the end, the "franchise face" factor in the New York market my trump the beastly DE/LB that could change things in a hurry.

You have no idea how angry this would make me. Why anyone would want to relegate Leon Washington to KR only while Bryan Thomas and god knows who elese are rushing the passer just blows my mind.I'm not saying you are nuts, because McFadden is percieved as an elite talent at a glamour position. But i really hope that Mangini and Co. learned a little something watching the Patriots draft front 7 players for the past decade. Thomas Jones and Leon washington are both VERY capable NFL backs. There isnt a back in the league that could put up pro-bowl numbers running behind Anthony clement, Brandon Moore and Jacob Bender. Not One.Pass rushers, run blockers, NT, year of experience for Clemens. Thats how you fix the Jets.

I've seen McFadden going to the Jets in several mocks and I just don't see. Do they need a home run hitter on offense? Yes. But they need protection for the quarterback, and running lanes to do so first. With no OL worthwhile of the number 6 pick assuming Jake Long is gone, you move on to another major need, a pass rusher. Gholston is the guy to take here. Remember, this is the same FO that could have moved up for the flashy Reggie Bush or drafted playmaker Vince Young, but instead chose to rebuild the offensive line. They aren't afraid to make the non-flashy picks that help the team more in the long run. I have faith that Mangini and Tannenbaum will make the right move(s) come draft day. If we came away with Gholston and Cherilus or Okam (if he falls) in the first day, I'd be very, very happy.From a non-homer point of view, do you really see the Vikings going with a WR in the first round? I realize Williamson has been a major bust and Rice has potential, but that would be a WR drafted within the first two round for 3 consecutive years. Do you think they'd maybe be better off going after a pass rusher or some DB help?

I'll be devil's advocate - I assume the JEts will be able to fix the OL in FA. The defense played much better after the bye and I think adding a playmaker like DMC would completely revitalize the offense which was awful the entire year. Yes TJ and Leon are serviceable - I'm tired of serviceable players on offense. I want a gambreaker that will finally keep DC's up at night. Maybe he won't be AD but Minny took AD while having a RB younger than TJ and it was the right move. Gholston is a physical freak which scares me (natural?) and he was a bit inconsistant from what I read (did not see him play much so going off reviews) - I did see DMC and think he is the real deal. Plus to get him at #6 would be a steal. Also time to end the Brad smith experiment and get a tall WR with some speed. I trust Mangini to keep the defense respectable - but the offense is in desperate need of studs. Add a mauling guard and respectable tackle in FA - draft DMC so they need to respect the run and watch KC develop. If they fail to address the OL in FA I would be all for drafting OL with the 1st pick - that is the biggest need right now and they spent 2 1st rder on the OL 2 yrs ago - pathetic!

I understand where you are coming from, but I think our situation vs. Minnesota's last season is much different in that 1) Peterson was clearly a superior talent to what McFadden is now, so it was much harder to pass on him than McFadden would be this year and 2) Minnesota already had an established, massive, borderline dominant offensive line. It's easier to put a key cog into that offense when you already know he's going to have that protection and running lanes. McFadden being effective in this offense definitely hinges on the oline being fixed, and I'm not sure we are going to get the necessary pieces via free agency. I think getting a stud guard and tackle in FA is easier said then done, considering what is available and the costs. The defense certainly improved after the bye (again) but looking at year end statistics, the Jets finished in the bottom of many defensive categories, just like they did in 06. There was improvement, but I don't think many Jet fans had a mediocre defense in mind when a Belichick disciple was hired to take over the team. Some of the pieces are there, but if we want to have a dominant defense, the defensive line needs to be addressed, as does the lack of a pass rusher. I've seen people slate Gholston as a 3-4 OLB and DE. I'm not sure which he'd be more effective at, or if he could play both (even better) but from the sounds of it, he's an impact player that would immediately add a boost to a mediocre (at best) defense.This draft is so deep at running back, I'd have a hard time thinking that a top 6 pick should be spent on one. Granted there won't be as impactive a player as McFadden in rounds 2+, but The Leon and TJ combo is more than serviceable for this upcoming season provided the offensive line is addressed (which is why I hope we can grab a guy like Cherilus in the 2nd round to go along with an FA signing). It's not that I don't think McFadden is going to be a good pro, I just don't see him as the workhorse back you'd want with a guy drafted and paid so highly. What he brings to the table for any team considering drafting him is that guy that can take it to the house any time the ball is in his hands. I may be in the minority, but I believe we already have a guy like that in Leon Washington. It's just a matter of developing a line that can give him the opportunities to do it.Edit: Just wanted to add to my comment about depth at the running back position. While McFadden is likely the top drafted RB, playmakers at that position should still be available in the 2nd round when the Jets pick again. If we could snag a Felix Jones (who was arguably more productive than McFadden and has the same homerun capabilities) or Jamal Charles, I think this would help out much more in the long run. You still get the impact player on offense, but he's cheaper and you've shored up the D much more by landing the pass rusher in the 1st round.

 

[3nOut]

Sift the flower. Roll the dough. Draft order is close to correct in round 3, I think. If it's not, deal.



Round 1

6. New York Jets - Darren McFadden - RB - UA - I can hear the Jets fans typing already. Hint: Keep reading.

16. Arizona Cardinals - Felix Jones - RB - UA - And the fun begins.

18. Seattle Seahawks via Houston** - Rashard Mendenhall - Conventional wisdom says the 'Hawks will go local with Stewart, but RM is a much hotter prospect then people realize. I've seen him in the top-7 in three recent mocks.

25. Houston Texans via Seattle** - Johnathan Stewart - RB - Oregon - Stewart is more fast then quick, but that will work out just fine in the Houston run game.

29. Dallas Cowboys - Jamaal Charles - RB - UTexas - Julius is gone, Jerry takes a speedster with good size to compliment MBIII.

5 RBs in the first round. With the depth at RB in this years draft, I think some GMs will take a chance and draft a different position and wait for some of these to drop into the second. Also, where do you think Julius and the other FA RBs end up this year? I would think that those team that pick up a RB in FA will wait until he later rounds to draft one.

 

[Texasmouth]

When do the first waves of guys get released and signed for Free agency? How long before the draft?

 

[sheerterror]

From a non-homer point of view, do you really see the Vikings going with a WR in the first round? I realize Williamson has been a major bust and Rice has potential, but that would be a WR drafted within the first two round for 3 consecutive years. Do you think they'd maybe be better off going after a pass rusher or some DB help?

Why does everyone think Williamson is a bust? I tried to watch him when I could and the guy is always open. He runs incredible routes and is always one of the fastest guys on the field. And this years the drops went down big time.I think he can still be a very good WR.

I've only seen him a few times so maybe it's harsh to say "major bust" but he was a top 10 pick, has been in the league 3 years and has yet to eclipse 500 yards in a single season. He has a grand total of 70 catches for 1067 and 3 TDs in his career while averaging 13 games played each year. Something tells me the Vikings expected a little more out of their former #7 overall pick.

 

[David Yudkin]

When do the first waves of guys get released and signed for Free agency? How long before the draft?

Free agency starts on the first day of the new NFL season which is normally March 1st (or right around there if 3/1 is a weekend).

 

[3nOut]

When do the first waves of guys get released and signed for Free agency? How long before the draft?

Free agency starts on the first day of the new NFL season which is normally March 1st (or right around there if 3/1 is a weekend).

Accoring to this pinned thread, the Waiver Process begins FEB 11 and Free Agency starts FEB29. How many RBs do you think will be waived immediately though?

 

[David Yudkin]

When do the first waves of guys get released and signed for Free agency? How long before the draft?

Free agency starts on the first day of the new NFL season which is normally March 1st (or right around there if 3/1 is a weekend).

Accoring to this pinned thread, the Waiver Process begins FEB 11 and Free Agency starts FEB29. How many RBs do you think will be waived immediately though?

I believe they changed the player waive rules in the last CBA which now allows team to cut a limited number of players several weeks early while still being able to maneuver their salary cap hits at the earlier date.As for your question, I doubt that would really result in a ton of established RBs being let go, and certainly it will not result in notable players being signed any earlier. As I said, right around March 1 (this year apparently 2/29), so one day different.

 

[Gatorman]

Not sure how I like this...

1) While I'd love to see ATL trade up, I see no reason for them to do so, unless Miami has another trade partner looking to get up to 1. Miami and STL are not taking a QB.

2) Miami will not take a QB in the top rounds. Parcells brings in a QB (Culpepper?), has Beck, now he needs a #2/3 guy. A rookie to go along with a 2nd year player?

Gator

 

[LionsFan78]

21. Tampa Bay - Adrian Arrington - WR - UM - Arrington looked every bit as good as Mario at times this year.

Wow, COMPLETELY missed that he had declared this year.And yes, I agree 100%.

 

[Rooster]

still don't think thats enought for atlanta to move into the 1 slot

The two pics I offered add up to 2650 and the #1 is worth 3000. A 2nd next year would do the trick and bridge the gap.

People get too worked up on the point thing. As a Dolphins fan, I'd LOVE 1.01 for 1.03 and a 2nd rounder alone. I'd probably even take 1.01 for 1.03 and a 3rd rounder or a 4th if I couldn't get anything else. Last year the #1 got a 6 year $61 million dollar contract and the #3 got a 5 year $43 million dollar contract. You mean I still get an elite player that will help us (it's likely Chris Long will still be there, but we're guaranteed one of Dorsey or either of the Longs), save several million, and still pick up a good player in the 2nd? Where do I sign up? The #1 pick is almost as much of a curse as it is a blessing with the way contracts inflate from pick to pick at the top of the 1st. Sure, maybe you're lucky to pick up a HoF-type player like Peyton Manning that singlehandedly makes your team a competitor but you can also cripple your team for years by picking a bust. The compensation system for NFL draft picks is broke and until it's fixed the #1 overall pick is far less valuable than the draft chart dictates.

 

[Abraham]

21. Tampa Bay - Adrian Arrington - WR - UM - Arrington looked every bit as good as Mario at times this year.

Wow, COMPLETELY missed that he had declared this year.And yes, I agree 100%.

Love that guy. Arrington can come to play.

still don't think thats enought for atlanta to move into the 1 slot

The two pics I offered add up to 2650 and the #1 is worth 3000. A 2nd next year would do the trick and bridge the gap.

People get too worked up on the point thing. As a Dolphins fan, I'd LOVE 1.01 for 1.03 and a 2nd rounder alone. I'd probably even take 1.01 for 1.03 and a 3rd rounder or a 4th if I couldn't get anything else. Last year the #1 got a 6 year $61 million dollar contract and the #3 got a 5 year $43 million dollar contract. You mean I still get an elite player that will help us (it's likely Chris Long will still be there, but we're guaranteed one of Dorsey or either of the Longs), save several million, and still pick up a good player in the 2nd? Where do I sign up? The #1 pick is almost as much of a curse as it is a blessing with the way contracts inflate from pick to pick at the top of the 1st. Sure, maybe you're lucky to pick up a HoF-type player like Peyton Manning that singlehandedly makes your team a competitor but you can also cripple your team for years by picking a bust. The compensation system for NFL draft picks is broke and until it's fixed the #1 overall pick is far less valuable than the draft chart dictates.