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Herm Edwards rips NFL for being soft on thugs (1 Viewer)

The entire interview with Edwards is Here. He talks about a lot of things of interest, not just NFL player behavior.

For those reading this thread, Edwards didn't use the word "thug". Edwards also said he's in favor of stricter punishments for NFL players, which is easy to say. But he didn't specify what the punishments would be for, which as we all know is the tricky part.

It's a very interesting interview, well worth reading.

 
He talked about Larry Johnson a good bit in the interview.

Q: Where would you put Larry Johnson in the leadership category right now?EDWARDS: “He’s not ready to do that. That’s not his fault. There are a lot of young guys who aren’t ready to do that. Larry just became a starter last year. There was a lot put on his shoulders last year just being the starter and knowing the bulls-eye was on him. Then the quarterback goes down after the first game. Then the pressure really got put on him real hard and he handled it.“He had to run the ball a lot of times where you don’t want to run a guy that much. I had Curtis Martin in New York and he ran the ball in five years about 325 times a season and caught about 50 passes. That’s what you want for Larry. Curtis led the league in rushing one year – about 1,500 yards – and he had about 325 carries and caught a lot of passes. We had Lamont Jordan who carried the ball about 100 times. So, you’re talking about running the ball 450 times with a good offense if you’re going to run the football and be physical. That’s what you’d like to do. You don’t want to make a guy run 400 times. You won’t see that anymore. (Johnson) won’t see it. We’ll get Michael Bennett in the mix and we might have to get another back. Might need to get three backs. We always had three in New York. If one gets hurt you need another guy.“There was a lot of pressure on Larry last year and he had to carry the ball a lot of times. He showed up every game.”Q: How was his relationship with his teammates?EDWARDS: “They respected him. I ask you this: all you guys work with people. You don’t have to like everybody you work with. You need to respect them. Let’s get that straight. Let’s just not put this on the football player. I was on some football teams and I didn’t like every guy that was in the locker room but I respected them. This is not the Boy’s Club where you get a badge for liking someone. You have to respect them.“This is not Larry. We’re making this big deal about Larry. You respect him and that’s what you have to have.”
 
Hmmmmm, maybe now LJ has a black coach who doesn't "understand black players." :rolleyes:
hmmm..... title says thugs and you bring up Black people. Not sure what to think about that.

:no: :unsure:
It's well known LJ's been trying to pass himself off as some sort of gangsta. The quoted part of my post were his words about Vermeil in direct reference to that, and essetially having no street cred. The joke of course is that LJ, like Chris Webber, passes himself off as that but was in fact born and raised in traditional American suburbia. In short, stay informed and don't go there.

 
Hmmmmm, maybe now LJ has a black coach who doesn't "understand black players." :wall:
hmmm..... title says thugs and you bring up Black people. Not sure what to think about that.

:shrug: :(
It's well known LJ's been trying to pass himself off as some sort of gangsta. The quoted part of my post were his words about Vermeil in direct reference to that, and essetially having no street cred. The joke of course is that LJ, like Chris Webber, passes himself off as that but was in fact born and raised in traditional American suburbia. In short, stay informed and don't go there.
funny thing is that nowhere in that interview do it make that statement. Dont pass off your own words and jokes as a quote. And by the way ganstas hang on corners and claim neighborhoods and shoot people and sell dope. I dont think LJ does any of those things. So maybe you should get informed.
 
Hmmmmm, maybe now LJ has a black coach who doesn't "understand black players." :wub:
hmmm..... title says thugs and you bring up Black people. Not sure what to think about that.

:bag: :bag:
It's well known LJ's been trying to pass himself off as some sort of gangsta. The quoted part of my post were his words about Vermeil in direct reference to that, and essetially having no street cred. The joke of course is that LJ, like Chris Webber, passes himself off as that but was in fact born and raised in traditional American suburbia. In short, stay informed and don't go there.
Nice try, but hopefully the replies will make it clear there's no longer any point in you going there either.
 
From the interview, here's what Edwards had to say regarding player behavior and league action.

Q: Are you in favor of the league addressing player conduct off of the playing field and are you confident in what the Chiefs currently have in place to address recent off-field situations?EDWARDS: “Here’s the sad part with the whole scenario and I am in favor of whatever the league determines should be the punishment. I actually spoke on this subject back in ‘97 at the owners meeting in Florida. We were talking about conduct then and I don’t know if we missed the window and now it’s coming back to slam our fingers a bit, which is probably good.“Players that are looked upon as role models, whether they accept that role or not, they are. They have no choice; its part of the deal when you become a professional athlete or coach. When you don’t handle it the right way off or the field, it’s not good for anybody. It’s not good for you, your family, the National Football League and there needs to be something that is done.“I think that when the players met in Indianapolis, some things were said. When we go to the owners meetings I’m sure that will be talked about as well. It needs to be a hard line, in my opinion. You can’t throw softballs. I’m not a big proponent of fining players; that’s just like (a slap on the wrist). It’s like my daughter; you can smack her hand away, but if I put her in her room and make her look at the corner it’s tougher. With players, last time I checked, if they don’t get to play they understand that. When they don’t get to play, that’s when they understand. Guess what son? You don’t get to play. You don’t get to dress; we don’t want you on the sideline or the locker room, just go home and watch. Eventually that is what it has to come to.“I know that is hard because it’s gets tough if it is ‘Player A’ it’s ok because he is on the second-team; but when it becomes your star player it’s like, ‘oh boy, I don’t want to do that. We might lose if we do that.’ Well so be it, because he hurt the team and he needs to know that if he can’t conduct himself in the right way then he isn’t going to play. That’s where leadership on your football team needs to come into play. It all kind of comes together that you can’t screw up, because when you act like that you don’t play and it hurts the team.“If you’re a healthy guy and you can’t even come on the trip, you just watch the game at home. That’s just me talking right now; I don’t know what the league is going to decide what to do. Eventually it’s going to have to come to that because that is the only thing that the players understand. They don’t understand anything else. They don’t understand the fines because if the league fines them $1,000 that’s nothing to them. Are you kidding me?“You can’t let them play. Don’t let them play. There are only 16 games and when they miss a game and they are healthy it affects the whole team. The players all of a sudden realize that this is getting serious and that you can’t conduct yourself in that manner. Is it hard? Yeah, but there are only 1,800 (NFL players) in the whole world and they have to conduct themselves a certain way. It’s important for the reputation of the league and for everyone else and that’s the way it has to be in my opinion. Each owner and coach will have his own view on it, but I’ve got no problem with sending the players home.”Q: Why should a player be expected to be a role model? Isn’t that their parent’s job?EDWARDS: “I’m not talking about being a role model as an athlete. You need to be a role model at your job for other people to look at and say that when they grow up they want to be like you.”Q: You’re talking about kids?EDWARDS: “I’m not just talking about players. I’ll put it this way; when you are a professional, any professional, you have an obligation to conduct yourself in a manner that is respectful to your organization and the people you work for, period. I don’t care who you are or what your profession is. I just happen to be talking about a professional football player now, but I’m talking about anybody that is a professional.“I grew up learning that way, I understood it that way and I live my life that way. Is it hard? Yeah, but so what, it should be hard. That’s why you’re a professional. That’s why you are called ‘professional’; you’re not called a part-time guy. You want the title? This is what goes along with the title, son, and if you don’t understand that then you probably need to go somewhere else because you represent an organization. Parents should train their kids; I agree with that. It starts at home, but when you become a professional then what? Is it ok to do anything you want because you’re a professional? No, it’s not ok in my opinion.”Q: Isn’t that how most athletes think?EWARDS: “I wouldn’t say most. There are 1,800 players and lets say that in a season 100 of them get into trouble. What is that, six percent? Here’s the problem though; they’ve got all of those cameras watching. You can’t say that it is all the players because it’s not all of the players. When you go back and look at all of the incidents that happened in the league this year and there are over 100 incidents then that’s 100 players. I don’t even think its 100, but let’s just throw that number out there and say that it is 100.“In society what is it? Tell me what it is in society? Our problem is that we’re professional football players and coaches and it gets put on television and it gets written and it gets talked about because a 22-year old millionaire didn’t know how to handle it. We want to write about that and that’s ok. That is part of being a professional and that is what bothers me about the players when they don’t understand that is what the media is going to talk about. They will talk about that because you just set yourself up for it and you’ve got to learn how to handle it. If you can’t handle it, you won’t be in the league very long. That’s part of the deal, but let’s not make this thing into a league-wide problem. There are 1,800 players and there weren’t even 100 incidents this year, but it’s still bad. Joe Smith might do the same thing next door and nobody will talk about it because he’s Joe Smith. But when (an athlete) does something wrong it gets talked about and that goes with being a professional. Learn to deal with it.”
 
The entire interview with Edwards is Here. He talks about a lot of things of interest, not just NFL player behavior.

For those reading this thread, Edwards didn't use the word "thug". Edwards also said he's in favor of stricter punishments for NFL players, which is easy to say. But he didn't specify what the punishments would be for, which as we all know is the tricky part.

It's a very interesting interview, well worth reading.
:thumbup: While I am not too in love with Herm Edwards as a coach, I truly respect his view and take on football matters. He is extremely intelligent and very verbose within the confines of this interview. I hope that the NFL listens up in regards to what he has to say about the fining bit and players as it pertains to off the field actions. The myth is that players are not supposed to be role models but the reality is that kids and other players are going to look up to them no matter what the players think. This really needs to be adressed and hammered through by the NFL so that we can, "better", the future of representation of the NFL and football in general as seen by the eyes of those who only view as a casual fan or otherwise.

Football can be an extremely good educational tool but with some many negative marks against as of recent, many people only see the bad and this is what sticks out. I do not want the sport that I love so much to garner the "credo" that the NBA has. Rant over.

 
Hmmmmm, maybe now LJ has a black coach who doesn't "understand black players." :lmao:
hmmm..... title says thugs and you bring up Black people. Not sure what to think about that.

:thumbup: :thumbup:
It's well known LJ's been trying to pass himself off as some sort of gangsta. The quoted part of my post were his words about Vermeil in direct reference to that, and essetially having no street cred. The joke of course is that LJ, like Chris Webber, passes himself off as that but was in fact born and raised in traditional American suburbia. In short, stay informed and don't go there.
Nice try, but hopefully the replies will make it clear there's no longer any point in you going there either.
Watch out Redman you are going to be labeled a racist because you have an opinion. Lets face it nobody can deny the majority of people being arrested from the NFL are black. Now why is that? Well it could be that 70 % of the players in the NFL are black so simple %s or it could be parenting, the fact that 51% of black children are raised without a father. Maybe it is economics, or possibly racial profiling. I can tell you one thing ignoring or not saying it because it is not poitically correct won't solve any problem.
 
Hmmmmm, maybe now LJ has a black coach who doesn't "understand black players." :lmao:
hmmm..... title says thugs and you bring up Black people. Not sure what to think about that.

:thumbup: :thumbup:
It's well known LJ's been trying to pass himself off as some sort of gangsta. The quoted part of my post were his words about Vermeil in direct reference to that, and essetially having no street cred. The joke of course is that LJ, like Chris Webber, passes himself off as that but was in fact born and raised in traditional American suburbia. In short, stay informed and don't go there.
funny thing is that nowhere in that interview do it make that statement. Dont pass off your own words and jokes as a quote. And by the way ganstas hang on corners and claim neighborhoods and shoot people and sell dope. I dont think LJ does any of those things. So maybe you should get informed.
Good points but I think it needs to be pointed out that the black culture (fashion and music) are inspired by hip hop and rap music which promotes prison culture aka gangsta's. Not to paint with too broad of a brush,,,there are plenty of hispanic gangsta's and there are plenty of honky white kids that want to act tough by being "down". It takes a while for all of us to grow up when we're young, rich, have an entourage of friends telling us that our #### doesn't stink, playing a game and chasing tail like it's going out of style .

 

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