Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (3 Viewers)

[GregR]

I wonder if the longer these types of searches continue, and come up with nothing, if that actually helps the defense. Does it become a literal case of "the prosecution is fishing and has found nothing."?

For the police to be looking this hard and long, they must REALLY believe that there is something to be found that clinches it..

Don't they have underwater metal detectors, sonar, something other than eyeballs and hands in divers gloves?It seems there is room for some tech here...

If it is buried in the mud at the bottom, sonar won't work. Ground penetrating radar probably wouldn't either because of the water saturation. It is often used to map groundwater. No clue if metal detectors work underwater or how well.

 

[Banger]

I wonder if the longer these types of searches continue, and come up with nothing, if that actually helps the defense. Does it become a literal case of "the prosecution is fishing and has found nothing."?

For the police to be looking this hard and long, they must REALLY believe that there is something to be found that clinches it..

Don't they have underwater metal detectors, sonar, something other than eyeballs and hands in divers gloves?

It seems there is room for some tech here...

yes, they have underwater metal detectors that they'd search with. They likely got a tip that he/someone threw the gun in the lake (maybe from the other case or this case) which is why they are searching it more thoroughly. It could help the defense a teeny, tiny bit in that they don't have the actual murder weapon but if the prosecution has video evidence, witness evidence, tons on data on down to the second their movements via GPS, texts and substantial forensic evidence the gun would just be the cherry on top of what looks to be an incredibly strong case.

 

[GregR]

This gave me a chuckle. The NFL's offseason, summed up in a single photo. https://twitter.com/WillBrinson/status/362672778899501056/photo/1

 

[cobalt_27]

Sarnoff must be giddy like a school girl reading this...

http://deadspin.com/read-a-letter-aaron-hernandez-wrote-from-jail-993033165

 

[PatsFanCT]

Sarnoff must be giddy like a school girl reading this...

http://deadspin.com/read-a-letter-aaron-hernandez-wrote-from-jail-993033165

I actually thought the same thing when I read it on BR. Came here to see if he commented yet.

 

[Sarnoff]

Just wait til he proves all you haters wrong. You're gonna feel like crap.

God did put him in this situation for a reason. We just don't know what it is. But when the innocent are vindicated, the Promise will be delivered unto all of us believers.

 

[cobalt_27]

Just wait til he proves all you haters wrong. You're gonna feel like crap.

God did put him in this situation for a reason. We just don't know what it is. But when the innocent are vindicated, the Promise will be delivered unto all of us believers.

I love this shtick.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Doesn't say much for a University of Florida education. Dude writes like a third grader.

 

[placebo]

I'm humbled by this ALREADY

I'm humbled by how fast AHern has been humbled.

 

[Faust]

This gave me a chuckle. The NFL's offseason, summed up in a single photo. https://twitter.com/WillBrinson/status/362672778899501056/photo/1

The only player missing from that photo is Harvin!

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Just wait til he proves all you haters wrong. You're gonna feel like crap.

God did put him in this situation for a reason. We just don't know what it is. But when the innocent are vindicated, the Promise will be delivered unto all of us believers.

So you really think your son is innocent? It isn't a reflection on your way you raised him Mrs Hernandez, sometimes people are just a bad egg

 

[DropKick]

Keeps getting stranger. Second Hernandez family member to die within the past month...

http://www.wfsb.com/story/23036519/sources-hernandezs-uncle-killed-in-moped-crash-in-bristol

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

According to police, Valentine was not wearing a helmet.

Another genius

 

[Faust]

Second alleged Aaron Hernandez jailhouse letter goes public

 

[PatsFanCT]

According to police, Valentine was not wearing a helmet.

Another genius

Oh come on, it was a scooter.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

According to police, Valentine was not wearing a helmet.

Another genius

Oh come on, it was a scooter.

Did he hit his head and die?

Your supposed to wear a helmet on a scooter.

 

[Sabertooth]

Tom Brady looks gay.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I think we're being distracted by the homophobia from how stupid his original point is. Scooters do go fast enough that is very easy to get a serious head injury from almost any type of accident. I'm sorry it doesn't look cool, but it's not bright to ride without one.

 

[DropKick]

Tom Brady looks gay.

But he does wear a helmet!

 

[petenice15]

There's no law that states you have to wear a helmet on a motorcycle or moped in CT. I always find it crazy when I see guys flying by on 95 without one on.

 

[Faust]

Prosecutors turn over video to Aaron Hernandez defense team

 

[Sabertooth]

Have you guys always been whiny tools? I don't think I've ever noticed that before.

Judging from you Avatar I think you protest the gay a bit too much.

 

[GregR]

Aaron Hernandez cousin in custody

A cousin of Aaron Hernandez is being held in custody in Massachusetts after she refused to testify in front of a grand jury convened in the murder case against the former New England Patriot, the Hartford Courant reported.

Tanya Cummings-Singleton, 37, was considered in contempt of the grand jury she was subpoenaed to appear before, a source told the newspaper. She has been in custody since Aug. 1 at the South Bay House of Correction in Suffolk County.

The grand jury in Fall River, Mass., has been investigating Hernandez's role in the June 17 shooting death of Odin Lloyd. Hernandez, charged with first-degree murder, has a probable cause hearing scheduled for Aug. 22, unless the grand jury indicts him before that date.

Authorities believe Cummings-Singleton purchased a bus ticket for Ernest Wallace, who is charged with being an accessory after the fact. Carloz Ortiz, also being held in connection with the case, reportedly told police that he discussed the murder of Lloyd with Cummings-Singleton.

Cummings-Singleton lives at the Bristol, Conn. home owned by Hernandez's uncle. Police have searched the home multiple times since Wallace and Ortiz were arrested in the case. Two weeks ago, authorities ordered Cummings-Singleton's phone and credit cards seized.

Investigators also were attempting to interview Cummings-Singleton's husband, Thaddeus, before he was killed in a late June car crash in Farmington, Conn.

 

[PatsFanCT]

So you law professionals help me out with this.

If Hernandez' cousin doesn't want to testify against Aaron, then when they make you hold one hand up and one on the bible and ask you if you swear to tell the truth, what happens if you say no?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

So you law professionals help me out with this.

If Hernandez' cousin doesn't want to testify against Aaron, then when they make you hold one hand up and one on the bible and ask you if you swear to tell the truth, what happens if you say no?

I believe a subpeona compels you to testify and that it's contempt of court to refuse.

Not sure about that though.

 

[Run It Up]

So you law professionals help me out with this.

If Hernandez' cousin doesn't want to testify against Aaron, then when they make you hold one hand up and one on the bible and ask you if you swear to tell the truth, what happens if you say no?

If you refuse to swear to tell the truth, you cannot give a testimony. This is contempt of court.

I think you can also plead the 5th amendment if the witness believes their testimony will incriminate themselves.

I'm not an expert though or even anything in the realm of knowledgeable there are probably a lot of caveats to this.

 

[GregR]

Not a lawyer. This seemed to cover the topic somewhat though:

http://campus.udayton.edu/~grandjur/faq/faq9.htm

How does a grand jury get evidence?


Clerk Room Grand juries can use the court's power to subpoena evidence. A court can issue a document known as a subpoena (a word which translates, essentially, as "subject to sanction") which commands someone to do something. The subpoenas are actually issued by the court clerk's office.

The prosecutor will go to the court clerk's office and obtain blank subpoenas. The prosecutor then fills them in, putting in the name of the person or corporation that is being subpoenaed, and telling them what they have to do (testify or produce documents) and when they have to do it. The prosecutor then has someone--often a police officer or federal marshal--serve the subpoena on the person or corporation.

There are two kinds of subpoenas: A grand jury uses a subpoena ad testificandum to bring people to testify before it; it uses a subpoena duces tecum to have evidence (documents, tape recordings, photographs, test results, guns, etc.) brought to it. Someone who receives a subpoena from a grand jury has three choices: comply with the subpoena; convince a court that he or she does not have to comply with it; or refuse to comply and be held in contempt.



Prosecutor and Witness You comply with a grand jury subpoena by doing what it tells you to do. If it says you are to show up before the grand jury at a given time on a specified date and testify, you do that; if it says you are to show up at that date and time and produce documents or other evidence for the grand jury to review, you do that. This police officer, for example, is testifying before a grand jury:



If you think you shouldn't have to comply because, for example, you're a lawyer and the subpoena is asking you to testify about secrets your client confided in you, then you have to file a motion to quash (not squash) the subpoena. Quashing the subpoena means the court declares it null and void, so you don't have to comply with it. A court would, for example, quash a subpoena if you could show that making you comply with it would violate your constitutional rights under the First Amendment.

But to persuade a court to quash a subpoena, you have to convince the court that, if you're claiming a privilege, the privilege actually applies to what the grand jury wants from you, so that there's no way you can do what it asks without violating the privilege. If you can answer some questions without getting into information that is covered by the privilege, the court will probably modify the subpoena, ordering you to answer about non-privilege information but also ordering that you not be asked about privileged information. (Of course, if you've answered any questions before the grand jury you've probably waived the privilege, and given up that objection, but that's another whole issue.)

Aside from privilege, you can ask a court to quash or modify a subpoena because what it asks you to do is "unreasonable or oppressive." This request is usually made as to subpoenas that order someone to produce lots of records to a grand jury. If the court agrees with you and modifies the subpoena, you will have to do what the modified subpoena tells you to do. If, for example, a subpoena ordered you to produce 100,000 pages of documents in 2 days, you could probably convince a court this request was unreasonable and persuade the court to modify it, so that you had, say, a month to comply.

If you simply refuse to do what the subpoena orders you to do, the prosecutor, acting on behalf of the grand jury, will ask the court to hold you in CIVIL contempt. Unless you have a very good reason for not complying, the court will do so.

Prisoners This happened to Susan McDougal: She was subpoenaed to testify before a Whitewater grand jury, and refused to testify. She was held in civil contempt. Civil contempt is not a crime (unlike CRIMINAL contempt, which is discussed above, in connection with grand jury secrecy). It is, instead, a way the court coerces you into doing what the grand jury wants you to do. Once you're held in civil contempt, you will be locked up until you agree to comply with the subpoena or until the grand jury's term ends, whichever comes first. Susan McDougal was locked up for approximately eighteen months, which is when the grand jury's term ended. Once the grand jury has been dissolved, the subpoena is no longer valid and you can't be held in contempt. Of course, a prosecutor can re-subpoena somebody like Susan McDougal to testify before a new grand jury. If she refuses, she can be held in civil contempt and locked up until that grand jury's term ends, which could be another year and a half or even two.

 

[citsalp]

Knew this thread was going to turn into this eventually. Makes the site look bad...Can we get back to football???

Gave out this site as reference to a couple of guys whom have never been here...and this garbage is what they see???

 

[Faust]

Report: Authorities think Hernandez fiancee hindered investigation

By Josh Katzowitz | NFL Writer

While many others who were close to former Patriots star tight end Aaron Hernandez are under investigation or are being held in contempt of court for not testifying before the grand jury, there hasn't been much written about Hernandez's fiancée.

But in court documents released Friday and reported by the Hartford Courant, a storage unit rented in the name of Shayanna Jenkins, who's engaged to Hernandez, has been investigated because they reportedly believe she made "overt attempts to hide evidence … and to hinder and mislead" the investigation of the Odin Lloyd murder.

Also in the new documents, investigators believe Jenkins might know what happened to the gun used in the shooting. At this point, that weapon has not been recovered, and many outside observers believe that's a key piece of missing evidence that would help Hernandez's defense attorneys.

More from the newspaper:

According to the records, June 18 footage from the home shows Shayanna Jenkins leaving the basement of the [Hernandez] house around 1:15 p.m., carrying a trash bag, which authorities say contains a heavy "rigid object," resembling a lock box or safe. She placed the trash bag in the trunk of a red Nissan Sentra. Surveillance footage showed her returning 35 minutes later and opening the trunk of the car, which no longer held the trash bag and "rigid object," the records show.

Carlos Ortiz, one of the suspects charged in connection with the case, has told police that shortly after the shooting, Hernandez stashed two guns in a box in the basement.

The footage referred to in the documents shows Shayanna driving the Nissan toward Landry Avenue, where police the next day found a .22-caliber handgun. The gun, authorities said, looked like it may have been "recently discarded."
The documents go on to suggest that Shaneah Jenkins, the sister of Shayanna, told investigators that Hernandez called his fiancée the day after Lloyd was discovered and said he wanted weapons out of his house.

Investigators searched Shayanna Jenkins' storage unit July 26, but they did not seize anything from it.

 

[Phenix]

Knew this thread was going to turn into this eventually. Makes the site look bad...Can we get back to football???

Gave out this site as reference to a couple of guys whom have never been here...and this garbage is what they see???

It is a place to waste time. Nothing more.

Glad someone else realizes it, all FBG cares about are web hits and page views.

All we care about is talking and arguing football. I love how everyone wants to be cordial on a website that is about football. If that happened all we would have is boring threads of people agreeing or disagreeing nicely.

 

[citsalp]

Knew this thread was going to turn into this eventually. Makes the site look bad...Can we get back to football???

Gave out this site as reference to a couple of guys whom have never been here...and this garbage is what they see???

It is a place to waste time. Nothing more.

Glad someone else realizes it, all FBG cares about are web hits and page views.

All we care about is talking and arguing football. I love how everyone wants to be cordial on a website that is about football. If that happened all we would have is boring threads of people agreeing or disagreeing nicely.

Is Hernandez on a NFL roster, or is he in jail? Last I looked @ all my teams, never had a player in jail score me any points. You can find any Hernandez news on Yahoo, Google, etc...Stop posting this crap...my thoughts anyway...love the site,and I spend a lot of time here, but a 65 page thread about a guy who's in jail, with Attorney wannabe's arguing his case here does not belong in the Shark Pool.

IMHO

 

[kutta]

Knew this thread was going to turn into this eventually. Makes the site look bad...Can we get back to football???

Gave out this site as reference to a couple of guys whom have never been here...and this garbage is what they see???

It is a place to waste time. Nothing more.

Glad someone else realizes it, all FBG cares about are web hits and page views.

All we care about is talking and arguing football. I love how everyone wants to be cordial on a website that is about football. If that happened all we would have is boring threads of people agreeing or disagreeing nicely.

Is Hernandez on a NFL roster, or is he in jail? Last I looked @ all my teams, never had a player in jail score me any points. You can find any Hernandez news on Yahoo, Google, etc...Stop posting this crap...my thoughts anyway...love the site,and I spend a lot of time here, but a 65 page thread about a guy who's in jail, with Attorney wannabe's arguing his case here does not belong in the Shark Pool.

IMHO

You really don't have to click on the thread.

 

[Hoss Style]

Knew this thread was going to turn into this eventually. Makes the site look bad...Can we get back to football???

Gave out this site as reference to a couple of guys whom have never been here...and this garbage is what they see???

It is a place to waste time. Nothing more.

Glad someone else realizes it, all FBG cares about are web hits and page views.

All we care about is talking and arguing football. I love how everyone wants to be cordial on a website that is about football. If that happened all we would have is boring threads of people agreeing or disagreeing nicely.

Is Hernandez on a NFL roster, or is he in jail? Last I looked @ all my teams, never had a player in jail score me any points. You can find any Hernandez news on Yahoo, Google, etc...Stop posting this crap...my thoughts anyway...love the site,and I spend a lot of time here, but a 65 page thread about a guy who's in jail, with Attorney wannabe's arguing his case here does not belong in the Shark Pool.

IMHO

You really don't have to click on the thread.

Exactly. Plus, he was one of the best TE's in the NFL just a short time ago with a projectied high ADP in FF leagues across the land. Did you really expect a FF site to not react?

Plus, a few of us hardcore guys are in "jail house" leagues and I really need to know if he's going to be in solitary or allowed to participate in the games. He'd be the first overall pick, hands down - breaking the run by "Quick-Shank" Wally.

 

[ldizzle]

Lets all agree to stop posting in this crap thread and let it die

 

[citsalp]

Knew this thread was going to turn into this eventually. Makes the site look bad...Can we get back to football???

Gave out this site as reference to a couple of guys whom have never been here...and this garbage is what they see???

It is a place to waste time. Nothing more.

Glad someone else realizes it, all FBG cares about are web hits and page views.

All we care about is talking and arguing football. I love how everyone wants to be cordial on a website that is about football. If that happened all we would have is boring threads of people agreeing or disagreeing nicely.

Is Hernandez on a NFL roster, or is he in jail? Last I looked @ all my teams, never had a player in jail score me any points. You can find any Hernandez news on Yahoo, Google, etc...Stop posting this crap...my thoughts anyway...love the site,and I spend a lot of time here, but a 65 page thread about a guy who's in jail, with Attorney wannabe's arguing his case here does not belong in the Shark Pool.

IMHO

You really don't have to click on the thread.

My downfall...Thought The Shark Pool was about Fantasy Football. So you are projecting Hernandez to score how many points in the next 10 years?

 

[PatsWillWin]

My downfall...Thought The Shark Pool was about Fantasy Football. So you are projecting Hernandez to score how many points in the next 10 years?

It's not just about fantasy football. Read the description.

 

[JustinHawkins]

Can I drop him now in my dynasty leagues?

 

[Sarnoff]

My downfall...Thought The Shark Pool was about Fantasy Football. So you are projecting Hernandez to score how many points in the next 10 years?

Once he's exonerated, I think Green Bay or Oakland pick him up for next season. Definitely a low-risk dynasty hold at this point, which I've said repeatedly in this thread.

 

[Sabertooth]

My downfall...Thought The Shark Pool was about Fantasy Football. So you are projecting Hernandez to score how many points in the next 10 years?

Once he's exonerated, I think Green Bay or Oakland pick him up for next season. Definitely a low-risk dynasty hold at this point, which I've said repeatedly in this thread.

Green Bay wouldn't touch this piece of #### for free.

 

[Amused to Death]

My downfall...Thought The Shark Pool was about Fantasy Football. So you are projecting Hernandez to score how many points in the next 10 years?

Once he's exonerated, I think Green Bay or Oakland pick him up for next season. Definitely a low-risk dynasty hold at this point, which I've said repeatedly in this thread.

My downfall...Thought The Shark Pool was about Fantasy Football. So you are projecting Hernandez to score how many points in the next 10 years?

Once he's exonerated, I think Green Bay or Oakland pick him up for next season. Definitely a low-risk dynasty hold at this point, which I've said repeatedly in this thread.

Green Bay wouldn't touch this piece of #### for free.

And a nibble...

 

[Banemorth]

This thread is still going? Someone needs to take it out behind the woodshed.

 

[The Great Snook]

This thread is still going? Someone needs to take it out behind the woodshed.

Why? I kind of like coming back to it every couple of days.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

My downfall...Thought The Shark Pool was about Fantasy Football. So you are projecting Hernandez to score how many points in the next 10 years?

Once he's exonerated, I think Green Bay or Oakland pick him up for next season. Definitely a low-risk dynasty hold at this point, which I've said repeatedly in this thread.

My downfall...Thought The Shark Pool was about Fantasy Football. So you are projecting Hernandez to score how many points in the next 10 years?

Once he's exonerated, I think Green Bay or Oakland pick him up for next season. Definitely a low-risk dynasty hold at this point, which I've said repeatedly in this thread.

Green Bay wouldn't touch this piece of #### for free.

And a nibble...

Exonerated ?

 

[Sarnoff]

Exonerated ?

Why not? There's no evidence he's committed murder. The only thing they have is that he likes blue Bubbalicious gum. Other than that, there's just hearsay and conjecture. There's the uncorroborated testimony of an accomplice, which says that another accomplice told him that AH pulled the trigger. That's third-hand gossip. There's no physical evidence. No gunpowder residue on AH's body. No proof he pulled the trigger.

Right now no one really knows what happened in that industrial park except for the men who were there, and each has a self-interest to say that another one did it. It's he said/he said.

For all we know, AH drove Lloyd around to talk to him about his problem with him. The other guys in the car ganged up on AH and pressured AH into driving him to the industrial park "just to scare him". Lloyd and the guys get out of the car, and one of the other accomplices pulls a gun. AH tells him he's going too far. Maybe he tries to stop him and the gun goes off in the struggle. Maybe the accomplice kills Lloyd before AH says anything. AH panics and tries to cover up his involvement. The police get so focused on nailing the highest-profile person they have on the radar, they give the accomplice (the real murderer) a deal because he'll say AH did it. Of course he would.

I don't know that it happened that way, but I don't know that it didn't. It's a reasonable scenario, and therefore it's reasonable doubt. Present that to a jury and AH is catching passes from Aaron Rodgers in training camp this time next year.

 

[Paulymaggs]

Been saying all along I think AHern was setup.

 

[renesauz]

WOW...haven't been to this thread in weeks, but I'm absolutely amazed that there are so many still defending/believing in this guy.

Get over it...he's a thug murderer who will never play another down in the NFL.

Sheessh

 

[DaveL]

Exonerated ?

Why not? There's no evidence he's committed murder. The only thing they have is that he likes blue Bubbalicious gum. Other than that, there's just hearsay and conjecture. There's the uncorroborated testimony of an accomplice, which says that another accomplice told him that AH pulled the trigger. That's third-hand gossip. There's no physical evidence. No gunpowder residue on AH's body. No proof he pulled the trigger.

Right now no one really knows what happened in that industrial park except for the men who were there, and each has a self-interest to say that another one did it. It's he said/he said.

For all we know, AH drove Lloyd around to talk to him about his problem with him. The other guys in the car ganged up on AH and pressured AH into driving him to the industrial park "just to scare him". Lloyd and the guys get out of the car, and one of the other accomplices pulls a gun. AH tells him he's going too far. Maybe he tries to stop him and the gun goes off in the struggle. Maybe the accomplice kills Lloyd before AH says anything. AH panics and tries to cover up his involvement. The police get so focused on nailing the highest-profile person they have on the radar, they give the accomplice (the real murderer) a deal because he'll say AH did it. Of course he would.

I don't know that it happened that way, but I don't know that it didn't. It's a reasonable scenario, and therefore it's reasonable doubt. Present that to a jury and AH is catching passes from Aaron Rodgers in training camp this time next year.

http://www.mass.gov/courts/courtsandjudges/courts/districtcourt/jury-instructions/criminal/pdf/4200-joint-venture.pdf

 

[Sarnoff]

Exonerated ?

Why not? There's no evidence he's committed murder. The only thing they have is that he likes blue Bubbalicious gum. Other than that, there's just hearsay and conjecture. There's the uncorroborated testimony of an accomplice, which says that another accomplice told him that AH pulled the trigger. That's third-hand gossip. There's no physical evidence. No gunpowder residue on AH's body. No proof he pulled the trigger.

Right now no one really knows what happened in that industrial park except for the men who were there, and each has a self-interest to say that another one did it. It's he said/he said.

For all we know, AH drove Lloyd around to talk to him about his problem with him. The other guys in the car ganged up on AH and pressured AH into driving him to the industrial park "just to scare him". Lloyd and the guys get out of the car, and one of the other accomplices pulls a gun. AH tells him he's going too far. Maybe he tries to stop him and the gun goes off in the struggle. Maybe the accomplice kills Lloyd before AH says anything. AH panics and tries to cover up his involvement. The police get so focused on nailing the highest-profile person they have on the radar, they give the accomplice (the real murderer) a deal because he'll say AH did it. Of course he would.

I don't know that it happened that way, but I don't know that it didn't. It's a reasonable scenario, and therefore it's reasonable doubt. Present that to a jury and AH is catching passes from Aaron Rodgers in training camp this time next year.

http://www.mass.gov/courts/courtsandjudges/courts/districtcourt/jury-instructions/criminal/pdf/4200-joint-venture.pdf

Fully aware. In my scenario, he gets off as it fails both #2 and #3:

First: That the defendant was present at or near the scene of the crime;

Second: That the defendant aided, assisted or encouraged the commission of the crime, or by agreement stood by willing and available to help with the crime if it became necessary; and

Third: That the defendant did so while sharing the intent required to commit the crime

I don't see any proof that AH wanted Lloyd dead, that he intended for anyone else to commit the act, or that he encouraged it in any way. At most, he was pressured into driving around by someone else who had the requisite intent.

If he standing there screaming "No! Don't! Stop it!" and another guy pulls the trigger, boom, not guilty.

Presence alone does not establish a joint venture, even if a person knew about the intended crime in advance and took no steps to prevent it. Our law does not allow for guilt by association. There must be proof that the defendant intentionally participated in committing that particular crime, not just that he (she) was there or knew about

it.

At most, he's guilty of a joint venture to harass Lloyd. Maybe they told AH they were just going to scare him or "rough him up" to leave the girl alone. If the real killer surprises AH and pulls a gun that AH didn't know he had, and shoots Lloyd over AH's objection, then AH is fully exonerated.

 

[Amused to Death]

If he standing there screaming "No! Don't! Stop it!" and another guy pulls the trigger, boom, not guilty.

This is exactly how it happened. We can tell by how cooperative he's been with the police and not acting suspicious and stuff.

 

[Sarnoff]

If he standing there screaming "No! Don't! Stop it!" and another guy pulls the trigger, boom, not guilty.

This is exactly how it happened. We can tell by how cooperative he's been with the police and not acting suspicious and stuff.

The best thing for an innocent person to do nowadays is lawyer up and not cooperate with police. Let them go to court with their crappy case and then blow it out of the water once the defense gets its shot. It's what our legal system has sadly become. The US court system is b###s###.

Especially if the police have shown no interest in hearing the truth, rather, are only interested in nailing the biggest pelt to their wall.