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jdoggydogg

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Now that Hernandez is out for a few weeks, do you think Winslow would be an adequate replacement? This is not an AC question. Just wondering about your opinion of Winslow as a replacement.

 
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I don't expect to see fantasy relevant numbers out of Winslow. I expect NE to shift back towards a Welker based short passing game with the departure of Hernandez from the offense. Winslow is insurance, IMO.

 
'Road Warriors said:
I don't expect to see fantasy relevant numbers out of Winslow. I expect NE to shift back towards a Welker based short passing game with the departure of Hernandez from the offense. Winslow is insurance, IMO.
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'jdoggydogg said:
Now that Hernandez is out for a few weeks, do you think Winslow would be an adequate replacement? This is not an AC question. Just wondering about your opinion of Winslow as a replacement.
Adequate? NOPossible? YesFirst I think it takes more than one week of practice and playbook for Winslow to be into the Patriots systemBUT I do think he can become playable - they could have gotten a blocking TE if they wanted so they obviously want someone who can catch passes and Winslow seems healthy this year and is thus hard to cover for defensesReally a question of whether you have to roster spaceWhile I doubt most of the TE mentioned here are available (WTF is Rudolph available? or Bennett? Pitta gone in most leagues, Myers only a consideration for PPR leagues) you have to have someone else to start for this weekBut as they say - if you have the slot he is worth a shotAlso definitely means the Patriots think Hernandez will be out for closer to six weeks than possibly two weeks
 
I just got a trade offer where I would pick up Hernandez. Is he out for closer to 2 -4 weeks of 4 - 6 weeks?

 
Targeting Celek (amazingly still available), Bennett and Pitta this week with my waiver pickup, hoping the injury to Hernandez is more in the "back in 4-6" rather than "8-10".

 
The question I have why is NOBODY talking about Michael Hoomanawanui? He is, afterall, 3rd on the TE Depth Chart behind Gronkowski and Hernandez. Why is he all of a sudden fantasy illrelevant and Winslow is Fantasy Relevant??

P.S. If your going with Michael Hoomanawanui is just a blocking TE...I don't see that in my research of him. He is clearly athletic and can catch the ball.



Thoughts?

 
Dynasty league ... thankfully I covered myself and acquired Gonzo this offseason for cheap .... actually felt like stealing ..traded DWill to the Steward owner and a 2nd Round Rookie Pick next year for Gonzo and Wayne

I think there a much better option out there than Winslow. IF nothing else is left I would pick him up but wouldnt feel very good about his production.

 
'Captain Quinoa said:
Not worth it in my opinion. Would try to get Bennett or Pitta off waivers if still available. Or even Chandler or Myers.
Who are you leaning towards? :unsure:
 
'Captain Quinoa said:
Not worth it in my opinion. Would try to get Bennett or Pitta off waivers if still available. Or even Chandler or Myers.
Who are you leaning towards? :unsure:
Pitta was targeted 9 times in week 1, 15 times in week 2 (leads all TEs). I think he's a low-end #1 TE for the rest of the season, and it would not surprise me to see him finish top 6. He's athletic, has good speed, he has great hands, and Flacco seems to like him a lot.
 
'jdoggydogg said:
Now that Hernandez is out for a few weeks, do you think Winslow would be an adequate replacement? This is not an AC question. Just wondering about your opinion of Winslow as a replacement.
Adequate? NOPossible? YesFirst I think it takes more than one week of practice and playbook for Winslow to be into the Patriots systemBUT I do think he can become playable - they could have gotten a blocking TE if they wanted so they obviously want someone who can catch passes and Winslow seems healthy this year and is thus hard to cover for defensesReally a question of whether you have to roster spaceWhile I doubt most of the TE mentioned here are available (WTF is Rudolph available? or Bennett? Pitta gone in most leagues, Myers only a consideration for PPR leagues) you have to have someone else to start for this weekBut as they say - if you have the slot he is worth a shotAlso definitely means the Patriots think Hernandez will be out for closer to six weeks than possibly two weeks
My gut tells me that Winslow will need a game or two to assimilate. But, as you mentioned, they could have signed a TE that's known more for blocking than receiving. I think Winslow has a shot at low end TE#1 numbers by week 5.
 
'jdoggydogg said:
Now that Hernandez is out for a few weeks, do you think Winslow would be an adequate replacement? This is not an AC question. Just wondering about your opinion of Winslow as a replacement.
Adequate? NOPossible? Yes

First I think it takes more than one week of practice and playbook for Winslow to be into the Patriots system

BUT I do think he can become playable - they could have gotten a blocking TE if they wanted so they obviously want someone who can catch passes and Winslow seems healthy this year and is thus hard to cover for defenses

Really a question of whether you have to roster space

While I doubt most of the TE mentioned here are available (WTF is Rudolph available? or Bennett? Pitta gone in most leagues, Myers only a consideration for PPR leagues) you have to have someone else to start for this week

But as they say - if you have the slot he is worth a shot

Also definitely means the Patriots think Hernandez will be out for closer to six weeks than possibly two weeks
My gut tells me that Winslow will need a game or two to assimilate. But, as you mentioned, they could have signed a TE that's known more for blocking than receiving. I think Winslow has a shot at low end TE#1 numbers by week 5.
Can't see that happening, not with that huge fork stuck in him.
 
Personally I think by the time Winslow would get up to speed Hernandez will be back. Don't think he'll end up with much in the way of fantasy numbers. Don't have to really worry about it until Gonzo's on bye anyway.

-QG

 
'jdoggydogg said:
'Captain Quinoa said:
Not worth it in my opinion. Would try to get Bennett or Pitta off waivers if still available. Or even Chandler or Myers.
I agree, but I bet most of those guys have been picked up in many 12 team leagues.
I'm clearly confused about what the purpose of the AC Forum is. Seems like this thread is precisely the type of thing that is supposed to go there. Not a criticism of your choice of forums, jdog...just seems like the line has become so blurred and folks are tripping all over themselves to avoid and disassociate themselves from the ACF that it really should be blown up.
 
I think if you just resurrected the old k winslow thread and posted in it it would have been better but fwiw i dont like winslow even as a te3 get rudolph pitta heath miller or anytime gates is out his backup should be money esp in ppr. What guys are left in most 12man leagues now with gates and hernandez down even?

 
Anyone worried Hernandez could be out much longer is why they picked him up?
Longer than the 4-6 week timetable? No. That's anywhere from 28-42% of the remaining games left on the Patriots schedule which is plenty enough time that it merited making a move to shore up the spot.
 
The question I have why is NOBODY talking about Michael Hoomanawanui? He is, afterall, 3rd on the TE Depth Chart behind Gronkowski and Hernandez. Why is he all of a sudden fantasy illrelevant and Winslow is Fantasy Relevant??

P.S. If your going with Michael Hoomanawanui is just a blocking TE...I don't see that in my research of him. He is clearly athletic and can catch the ball.



Thoughts?
Shark Pool stumped? Interesting.

I'll take him, I have a spot in dynasty

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The question I have why is NOBODY talking about Michael Hoomanawanui? He is, afterall, 3rd on the TE Depth Chart behind Gronkowski and Hernandez. Why is he all of a sudden fantasy illrelevant and Winslow is Fantasy Relevant??

P.S. If your going with Michael Hoomanawanui is just a blocking TE...I don't see that in my research of him. He is clearly athletic and can catch the ball.



Thoughts?
Because he is a blocking TE.He can still catch balls as most people that are TEs can, he is just significantly worse at it than he is at picking up blocks.

He had a lot of short term success because Kendricks struggled. He was ultimately released because he was much less talented comparably to Kendricks and the dude just cannot stay healthy, he has missed significant time both years in the league.

 
What is Hernandez value right now? Would you accept a Torrey smith or Crabtree?
Relative to your teams composition.I wouldnt trade Hernandez for Smith or Crabtree unless I was seriously deficient at WR.But im also not a buyer of either WR. When he comes back he will post similar numbers, Hernandez is no stranger to injury.
 
The question I have why is NOBODY talking about Michael Hoomanawanui? He is, afterall, 3rd on the TE Depth Chart behind Gronkowski and Hernandez. Why is he all of a sudden fantasy illrelevant and Winslow is Fantasy Relevant??

P.S. If your going with Michael Hoomanawanui is just a blocking TE...I don't see that in my research of him. He is clearly athletic and can catch the ball.



Thoughts?
He does have athleticism and he does know Mcdaniels system. You could also make the point they brought in him and Winslow earlier and opted to go with him over Winslow.But the Pats OC is of course Josh Mcdaniels. When he took over the Rams OC position Illini Mike was on the team and he wanted them to draft Lance Kendricks because he wanted to be able to have a move TE. Indication to me being he did not think he had one already.

I also think if you are hoping for him to be fantasy relevant Hernandez missed almost the entire game and he got no targets. Maybe with a full week of game planning they can devise a few ways to get him the ball but that seems like a stretch.

I would add I don't think Winslow is going to be fantasy relevant either. The person this is going to help the most is Welker who if not for this injury might have been on track to be the fantasy bust of the year.

 
'jdoggydogg said:
'Captain Quinoa said:
Not worth it in my opinion. Would try to get Bennett or Pitta off waivers if still available. Or even Chandler or Myers.
I agree, but I bet most of those guys have been picked up in many 12 team leagues.
I'm clearly confused about what the purpose of the AC Forum is. Seems like this thread is precisely the type of thing that is supposed to go there. Not a criticism of your choice of forums, jdog...just seems like the line has become so blurred and folks are tripping all over themselves to avoid and disassociate themselves from the ACF that it really should be blown up.
I hear you. I think a discussion about Winslow's fantasy value - or lack thereof - absolutely belongs in this forum. So I don't know how else to phrase the question.
 
'jdoggydogg said:
'Captain Quinoa said:
Not worth it in my opinion. Would try to get Bennett or Pitta off waivers if still available. Or even Chandler or Myers.
I agree, but I bet most of those guys have been picked up in many 12 team leagues.
I'm clearly confused about what the purpose of the AC Forum is. Seems like this thread is precisely the type of thing that is supposed to go there. Not a criticism of your choice of forums, jdog...just seems like the line has become so blurred and folks are tripping all over themselves to avoid and disassociate themselves from the ACF that it really should be blown up.
I hear you. I think a discussion about Winslow's fantasy value - or lack thereof - absolutely belongs in this forum. So I don't know how else to phrase the question.
Reverse the order of your subjects.Kellen Winslow Value, Hernandez owners input appreciated.I think its fine either way
 
'jdoggydogg said:
'Captain Quinoa said:
Not worth it in my opinion. Would try to get Bennett or Pitta off waivers if still available. Or even Chandler or Myers.
I agree, but I bet most of those guys have been picked up in many 12 team leagues.
I'm clearly confused about what the purpose of the AC Forum is. Seems like this thread is precisely the type of thing that is supposed to go there. Not a criticism of your choice of forums, jdog...just seems like the line has become so blurred and folks are tripping all over themselves to avoid and disassociate themselves from the ACF that it really should be blown up.
I hear you. I think a discussion about Winslow's fantasy value - or lack thereof - absolutely belongs in this forum. So I don't know how else to phrase the question.
Reverse the order of your subjects.Kellen Winslow Value, Hernandez owners input appreciated.

I think its fine either way
Done.
 
I'm not sure if there's much value here. I recall that NE has gone through a number of talented TEs with middling fantasy relevance (Alge Crumpler, Ben Watson, etc.) - the talents of Gronk and Hernandez simply far surpass what Winslow offers at this stage in his career. I can't imagine starting him with any confidence within the 6 week timeframe of Hernandez's expected recovery.

 
I am chasing Scott Chandler. Winslow's knees are shot

Actually I am moving after Edelman first, then Chandler. JE is a more likely target for Hernandez's targets the Winslow

 
As a Pats homer I'm cautiously optimistic that KW2 will produce in the move TE position. Beat writer report out of Seattle was that KW was tearing up camp, looked great and was uncoverable. Cut was salary not health related plus they liked McCoys development.

He actually had very similar catch and yardage number to AH last year, though AH had tons more missed tackles and YAC so clearly he isn't replicating his total production, but make no mistake KW was signed so the Pats can continue to run the same two TE offense so the opportunities will be there.

 
As a Pats homer I'm cautiously optimistic that KW2 will produce in the move TE position. Beat writer report out of Seattle was that KW was tearing up camp, looked great and was uncoverable. Cut was salary not health related plus they liked McCoys development.

He actually had very similar catch and yardage number to AH last year, though AH had tons more missed tackles and YAC so clearly he isn't replicating his total production, but make no mistake KW was signed so the Pats can continue to run the same two TE offense so the opportunities will be there.
:link: I can't find this and I'm interested.

 
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As a Pats homer I'm cautiously optimistic that KW2 will produce in the move TE position. Beat writer report out of Seattle was that KW was tearing up camp, looked great and was uncoverable. Cut was salary not health related plus they liked McCoys development.

He actually had very similar catch and yardage number to AH last year, though AH had tons more missed tackles and YAC so clearly he isn't replicating his total production, but make no mistake KW was signed so the Pats can continue to run the same two TE offense so the opportunities will be there.
:link: I can't find this and I'm interested.
I do remember that he had a decent camp in seattle and they stated they wanted to keep him but he wouldn't accept a paycut, even if he runs simple routes he'll be open most of the time and has good catching ability. People maybe sleeping on this.
 
He was not employed until Monday because his knee is held together with sticky tack and glue.
he passed the physical and workout, I'm sure they put him to the test; thier probably going to give him as much abuse has he can take for 6 weeks and then release him
 
I don't think there's much here, I can't see him getting more than 3 or 4 catches max per game since I expect Lloyd, Welker, Gronk, and quite possibly even Edelman to see more targets. I'll be interested to see how/if he is used in the redzone though.

 
As a Pats homer I'm cautiously optimistic that KW2 will produce in the move TE position. Beat writer report out of Seattle was that KW was tearing up camp, looked great and was uncoverable. Cut was salary not health related plus they liked McCoys development.

He actually had very similar catch and yardage number to AH last year, though AH had tons more missed tackles and YAC so clearly he isn't replicating his total production, but make no mistake KW was signed so the Pats can continue to run the same two TE offense so the opportunities will be there.
:link: I can't find this and I'm interested.
Here you go:
"It's kind of funny, actually, to think that a team could go from having too many to not enough targets with exactly two roster moves. After all, the Seahawks acquired Owens and Winslow on the premise that they were not risking much. If anything went sideways, they could always cut them. And that's just what Seattle did, and while the departure of Owens was not all that shocking considering he dropped as many passes as he caught in his two exhibition games, the release of Winslow was an out-of-the-blue shock.

At least it was for anyone who has been watching practice. He was very involved with what Seattle was doing on offense. He was the receiving specialist in Seattle's two tight-end sets, and someone who gave Seattle's defense fits in practice. He is big enough to give defensive backs problems in coverage, and too precise a receiver to be covered by a linebacker."

Is there a catch to Seahawks' release of Kellen Winslow? | Seahawks Blog | The Seattle Times

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawksblog/2019064144_is_there_a_catc.html?syndication=rss

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He was not employed until Monday because his knee is held together with sticky tack and glue.
he passed the physical and workout, I'm sure they put him to the test; thier probably going to give him as much abuse has he can take for 6 weeks and then release him
Disagree. They know they need another TE on the roster who can cover for AH if he's out. It's why they claimed Ballard but he is obviously a 2013 contingency plan. And it's why they signed Shianco but he's on temp IR. And now they have KW2. If he produces I doubt Shianco sees the field and KW is rostered all year even when AH is back.
 

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