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They must have just put it up. Earlier I was unable to renew but I checked and they have a new link. I bought 3 years for $59.95 :thumbup:

 
They must have just put it up. Earlier I was unable to renew but I checked and they have a new link. I bought 3 years for $59.95 :thumbup:
I upped for 3 years as well. One thing i will send to David and Joe is that I think these forums should be for FBG only. I think they would see an increase as the info on hear is huge and many people get the FBG info without paying the fee and I would like to see these guys benefit from all.

 
I upped for 3 years as well. One thing i will send to David and Joe is that I think these forums should be for FBG only. I think they would see an increase as the info on hear is huge and many people get the FBG info without paying the fee and I would like to see these guys benefit from all.
I disagree completely. I think this would result in a significant reduction in information & opinions, which is one of the highly desirable qualities of this board.
 
I upped for 3 years as well. One thing i will send to David and Joe is that I think these forums should be for FBG only. I think they would see an increase as the info on hear is huge and many people get the FBG info without paying the fee and I would like to see these guys benefit from all.
I disagree completely. I think this would result in a significant reduction in information & opinions, which is one of the highly desirable qualities of this board.
VERY :goodposting: Not to mention the fact that these board are also a sales tool for people who might not yet be ready to subscribe, but will be convinced to after seeing the quality of material and opinions that are found around FBGs.com.
 
I upped for 3 years as well. 

One thing i will send to David and Joe is that I think these forums should be for FBG only.  I think they would see an increase as the info on hear is huge and many people get the FBG info without paying the fee and I would like to see these guys benefit from all.
I disagree completely. I think this would result in a significant reduction in information & opinions, which is one of the highly desirable qualities of this board.
VERY :goodposting: Not to mention the fact that these board are also a sales tool for people who might not yet be ready to subscribe, but will be convinced to after seeing the quality of material and opinions that are found around FBGs.com.
I'm with Pony Boy and datonn on this. (And I'm a subscriber.)
 
Just tried to give you boys some cash, but the early deal isn't coming up for renewals.

Please check into this... thx. :hey:
Try this page. The drop down menu on the right has the $20.95 price listed for a single season renewal.
 
When will the magizine come out? I would like to hit the magizine and the early bird discount on one transaction! Will it be possible?

 
I upped for 3 years as well. 

One thing i will send to David and Joe is that I think these forums should be for FBG only.  I think they would see an increase as the info on hear is huge and many people get the FBG info without paying the fee and I would like to see these guys benefit from all.
I disagree completely. I think this would result in a significant reduction in information & opinions, which is one of the highly desirable qualities of this board.
VERY :goodposting: Not to mention the fact that these board are also a sales tool for people who might not yet be ready to subscribe, but will be convinced to after seeing the quality of material and opinions that are found around FBGs.com.
:goodposting: This comes up every year. We need to quit being selfish, let Joe/David and co. do what they do, while we do what we do.

 
I upped for 3 years as well. 

One thing i will send to David and Joe is that I think these forums should be for FBG only.  I think they would see an increase as the info on hear is huge and many people get the FBG info without paying the fee and I would like to see these guys benefit from all.
I disagree completely. I think this would result in a significant reduction in information & opinions, which is one of the highly desirable qualities of this board.
VERY :goodposting: Not to mention the fact that these board are also a sales tool for people who might not yet be ready to subscribe, but will be convinced to after seeing the quality of material and opinions that are found around FBGs.com.
I'm one of these. 3 year non subscriber but then started subscribing last year. I'm sure there are many here who did the same.
 
I think the forums should stay free, but possibly under the user name or profile it should state if the person is a paying member of FBGs. Not that that would increase/decrease the weight of their opinion, but could be a little extra marketting.

 
I think the forums should stay free, but possibly under the user name or profile it should state if the person is a paying member of FBGs. Not that that would increase/decrease the weight of their opinion, but could be a little extra marketting.
I like this idea the best! I've been around off and on these boards for at least a couple years running. I still havn't figured out how to load a pick under my name like most posters have, let alone show I am now a member thru 2009. :wall:
 
What's the refund policy on the three year deal, in the event FBG goes belly up?
I think the chance of going belly up (or sold) is slim to none, but we will offer $40 back after year 1 and/or $20 after year 2 should either of those occur.
 
They must have just put it up.  Earlier I was unable to renew but I checked and they have a new link.  I bought 3 years for $59.95 :thumbup:
I upped for 3 years as well. One thing i will send to David and Joe is that I think these forums should be for FBG only. I think they would see an increase as the info on hear is huge and many people get the FBG info without paying the fee and I would like to see these guys benefit from all.
Hey LT,I understand where you're coming from, but I can assure you that access the message boards and the blogger will remain free.

 
I always assumed the message boards were for subscribers only! I frequent several team sites which obviously have no fees attached. The sites are overrun by 14 year olds who make quality football discourse all but impossible. I figured one of the reasons I never saw this behavior on these boards was because people had to pay to gain access. I'm simply amazed that the quality of posters and topics is what it is while still allowing pretty much anybody access. That's a solid :thumbup: to everyone here.

That being the case I wouldn't recommend changing anything. However if the immature troll factor were to increase it would make sense to allow everybody access to the boards but only subscribers would have the ability to post.

 
I upped for 3 years as well. 

One thing i will send to David and Joe is that I think these forums should be for FBG only.  I think they would see an increase as the info on hear is huge and many people get the FBG info without paying the fee and I would like to see these guys benefit from all.
I disagree completely. I think this would result in a significant reduction in information & opinions, which is one of the highly desirable qualities of this board.
If you ran a business would you want people to get access to most of the information others pay for free? That doesn't maek sense. People would spend the $20 to be part of it if they contribute. Right now Joe and David are losing income that if they had they would be able to throw more into the product.All that happens now is people with the access use this forum to share it with non payers.

There are plenty of people that pay and give their opinions and there would be more if they locked it down. It is a good business decision that would lead to a better product for the subscribers

 
What's the refund policy on the three year deal, in the event FBG goes belly up?
I think the chance of going belly up (or sold) is slim to none, but we will offer $40 back after year 1 and/or $20 after year 2 should either of those occur.
The chances of going belly up are VERY rare, but David you can't promise money back if you go belly up, bankruptcy laws wouldn't allow it. If you came out of bankrutcy you could have a policy for the old subscribers though.This such a remote chance that it should not weigh in anyones thinking though

 
I disagree completely. I think this would result in a significant reduction in information & opinions, which is one of the highly desirable qualities of this board.
:thumbup: And it is also bad business. People come in, browse around, like what they see, and join. You can't stop people from entering a store by standing at the door saying "you must purchase something before entering" and expect to keep running a good store.

 
I disagree completely.  I think this would result in a significant reduction in information & opinions, which is one of the highly desirable qualities of this board.
:thumbup: And it is also bad business. People come in, browse around, like what they see, and join. You can't stop people from entering a store by standing at the door saying "you must purchase something before entering" and expect to keep running a good store.
Always exceptions fatness.Worked in the Night Club business for years and the vast majority had a sign clearly posted right behind the doorman collecting the $10.00 cover charge, saying 2 drink minimum.

With these businesses, you knew going in that you were out a minimum of $15.00 if you were cheap, $20.00 if you were a decent tipper.

It's all about what the market will bear.

 
With forum reading and posting limited to paid members, the forum posting will gradually decline, as will income for the site. That's the way this particular market is.

 
What's the refund policy on the three year deal, in the event FBG goes belly up?
I think the chance of going belly up (or sold) is slim to none, but we will offer $40 back after year 1 and/or $20 after year 2 should either of those occur.
The chances of going belly up are VERY rare, but David you can't promise money back if you go belly up, bankruptcy laws wouldn't allow it. If you came out of bankrutcy you could have a policy for the old subscribers though.This such a remote chance that it should not weigh in anyones thinking though
:lmao: If you can get the pay-for info for free, then why in the 7 Hells did you ante up for 3 years?

The staff here is very particular about what & how much pay-for info gets allowed into the SP, and the amount hardly scratches the total amount of info available for pay.

I guess I'd put it 2 ways:

1) I like more opinions than just those of subscibers. The more opinions, the larger pool to cull info from, and the more insight available, as well as possibly catching some significant info that the staff hasn't seen yet. That's nothing but good, IMO. If only subscribers were allowed to post, we'd get probably 60% or more of the posts being carbon copies of the staff's opinions. Not that that is necessarily a bad thing, staffers - honest, no really, I was just kidding. Put down the thread gun and slowly step away....

2) It's Joe & David board. They can do what they GD please.

Either one works for me.

 
I came here when FFToday was down. If this board wasnt free, i would have avoided it. As it stands, i am very impressed with this board and site, and your collective minds. IF i subribe to any service it will be here and that would not have happened had i not been able to access this forum.

The key is to make whats available to subscribers so good that one can't live without it! Are their samples to view?

 
I came here when FFToday was down. If this board wasnt free, i would have avoided it. As it stands, i am very impressed with this board and site, and your collective minds. IF i subribe to any service it will be here and that would not have happened had i not been able to access this forum.

The key is to make whats available to subscribers so good that one can't live without it! Are their samples to view?
I think you can view content from last year including all of the applications, which are top notch.
 
I came here when FFToday was down. If this board wasnt free, i would have avoided it. As it stands, i am very impressed with this board and site, and your collective minds. IF i subribe to any service it will be here and that would not have happened had i not been able to access this forum.

The key is to make whats available to subscribers so good that one can't live without it! Are their samples to view?
I think you can view content from last year including all of the applications, which are top notch.
All of last year's content can be accessed from the menu entitled "2005 Archives" near the top of the FBG homepage.
 
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I also browsed the boards before subscribing two years ago. A friend had tossed me the link here and I quickly forgot about most other sites I frequented.

I think it is difficult for the younger guys to act stupid on these boards as the posters here would eat him/her alive.

I wish there was a database here that we could utilize. I like the data dominator but I would like something ...oh well forget it.

 
They must have just put it up.  Earlier I was unable to renew but I checked and they have a new link.  I bought 3 years for $59.95 :thumbup:
I upped for 3 years as well. One thing i will send to David and Joe is that I think these forums should be for FBG only. I think they would see an increase as the info on hear is huge and many people get the FBG info without paying the fee and I would like to see these guys benefit from all.
:lmao: No.

 
I think the forums should stay free, but possibly under the user name or profile it should state if the person is a paying member of FBGs. Not that that would increase/decrease the weight of their opinion, but could be a little extra marketting.
:confused: :lmao:
 
What's the refund policy on the three year deal, in the event FBG goes belly up?
I think the chance of going belly up (or sold) is slim to none, but we will offer $40 back after year 1 and/or $20 after year 2 should either of those occur.
The chances of going belly up are VERY rare, but David you can't promise money back if you go belly up, bankruptcy laws wouldn't allow it. If you came out of bankruptcy you could have a policy for the old subscribers though.This such a remote chance that it should not weigh in anyones thinking though
:lmao: If you can get the pay-for info for free, then why in the 7 Hells did you ante up for 3 years?

The staff here is very particular about what & how much pay-for info gets allowed into the SP, and the amount hardly scratches the total amount of info available for pay.

I guess I'd put it 2 ways:

1) I like more opinions than just those of subscribers. The more opinions, the larger pool to cull info from, and the more insight available, as well as possibly catching some significant info that the staff hasn't seen yet. That's nothing but good, IMO. If only subscribers were allowed to post, we'd get probably 60% or more of the posts being carbon copies of the staff's opinions. Not that that is necessarily a bad thing, staffers - honest, no really, I was just kidding. Put down the thread gun and slowly step away....

2) It's Joe & David board. They can do what they GD please.

Either one works for me.
Glad to amuse you Pony Boy, but we are on a different page. I run a business now and I have done extensive marketing; you could keep boards open in the off season or for some time, and then shut down during the season. People would "need" to sign up and in the long run, they will make More money and it would allow them to put more into our product. You are entitled to your opinion, but I wouldn't run it this way. BTW, to answer your question, I view my money to these guys as a donation for putting together a great site. Many "free" sites in different verticals have a donation pool for people who "do for the greater good." I feel $20 is nothing to donate for what is offered and that is why I signed up for 3 years
 
I think you are way off base Tension. My guess is that a very low percentage of the subscribers even care about the board. The message board is small pickens. Most people that post here are way more into FF than the average player. The service for many is about the dominator, ready made cheat sheets, and the email updates. It is for the guys/gals that play in the office league, don't want to look like idiots, but don't want to spend a bunch of time.

Very few people would pay for the board who do not choose to subscribe already. They would just move along to a different board.

 
I upped for 3 years as well.

One thing i will send to David and Joe is that I think these forums should be for FBG only. I think they would see an increase as the info on hear is huge and many people get the FBG info without paying the fee and I would like to see these guys benefit from all.
I disagree completely. I think this would result in a significant reduction in information & opinions, which is one of the highly desirable qualities of this board.
VERY :goodposting: Not to mention the fact that these board are also a sales tool for people who might not yet be ready to subscribe, but will be convinced to after seeing the quality of material and opinions that are found around FBGs.com.
Not only that, but the website as a whole would get far less traffic.
 
Glad to amuse you Pony Boy, but we are on a different page. I run a business now and I have done extensive marketing; you could keep boards open in the off season or for some time, and then shut down during the season. People would "need" to sign up and in the long run, they will make More money and it would allow them to put more into our product. You are entitled to your opinion, but I wouldn't run it this way. BTW, to answer your question, I view my money to these guys as a donation for putting together a great site. Many "free" sites in different verticals have a donation pool for people who "do for the greater good." I feel $20 is nothing to donate for what is offered and that is why I signed up for 3 years
Well, thanks for the lesson in running a business. I'm sure that I will ask you for advice if my business starts faltering.Of course, you mention nothing about your little extortion scheme about putting up a poorer product in a highly competitve market when you attempt to shut out a large number of people, some of whom contribute meaningfully. I'm sure you've also done a linear programming model to show Joe & David exactly how much more money they can make by dumping on that significant number of non-subscribers. We've got geniuses here in DEN in the transportation department that think exactly the way you do. They've built a toll road bypass around the south & east side of the metro area, but initially there weren't enough toll revenues to support the bond used to build the road, so what did the geniuses do? They raised the tolls to make up for the loss, which lead to even less people using the toll road, which then resulted in even lower revenues. They've raised the toll 3 times now, and generated lower revenues each time. Now that's some forward thinking. It's never occurred to them that if they lowered tolls a bit - gave just a little - that the increase in traffic volume just might generate much higher revenues.It's a principal that works well in practice - you give a little to engender good will and to get others to try your product, and the result is higher revenues because of the increase in volume that more than compensates for the small amount that the business gives up on the frontside. It's something our company does, while our major competitors keep their prices sky high and limit their customer base in doing so. It has allowed our company to grow 450% from its first year to its second year, and to start to become a major player in our field. We give the same quality product or better, but we do it at a substantial discount from the recognized majors , and our customer base has grown considerably partly because of this.I'll add two more things for you to ponder:1) I'm a subscriber, and I do so willingly because of the vast amount of diverse opinion here. I would stop subscribing if Joe & David restricted the message board & blogger only to subscribers - because I know the product will be much poorer for it. I'm not interested in only rubbing elbows with people who act as a privledged class here simply because they decide to subscribe to a different portion of the product.2) I'm damn glad you don't make the decisions here.Until later, my friend. BTW, thanks for the lesson in business.
 
I think the forums should stay free, but possibly under the user name or profile it should state if the person is a paying member of FBGs. Not that that would increase/decrease the weight of their opinion, but could be a little extra marketting.
That's what I'd expect from a 5-digiter :rolleyes:
 
I think the forums should stay free, but possibly under the user name or profile it should state if the person is a paying member of FBGs.  Not that that would increase/decrease the weight of their opinion, but could be a little extra marketting.
That's what I'd expect from a 5-digiter :rolleyes:
:thumbup: :pickle:
 
They must have just put it up. Earlier I was unable to renew but I checked and they have a new link. I bought 3 years for $59.95 :thumbup:
I upped for 3 years as well. One thing i will send to David and Joe is that I think these forums should be for FBG only. I think they would see an increase as the info on hear is huge and many people get the FBG info without paying the fee and I would like to see these guys benefit from all.
i know of a number of boards that have lame traffic, which means less commentary, because they operate like you suggested....get rid of the ffa and you get rid of most of the tools anyway...

 
Hey Guys,

There are a zillion ways to run a business successfully. I'd never presume that I know the answer but I do know that for us, the "right" move (defined as what feels right) is to always keep the boards free.

And heavily (many think too heavily) moderated so that smart people can post in depth stuff and know that it's going to be a "flame free" area where we'll discuss stuff and at least try to be a little professional about it.

That's worked for us. Lots of businesses charge for their boards so that obviously works too. It's just not what I like.

J

 
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Hey Guys,

There are a zillion ways to run a business successfully. I'd never presume that I know the answer but I do know that for us, the "right" move (defined as what feels right) is to always keep the boards free.

And heavily (many think too heavily) moderated so that smart people can post in depth stuff and know that it's going to be a "flame free" area where we'll discuss stuff and at least try to be a little professional about it.

That's worked for us. Lots of businesses charge for their boards so that obviously works too.  It's just not what I like.

J
:thumbup: Now when can I renew? :D

 
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Hey Guys,

There are a zillion ways to run a business successfully. I'd never presume that I know the answer but I do know that for us, the "right" move (defined as what feels right) is to always keep the boards free.

And heavily (many think too heavily) moderated so that smart people can post in depth stuff and know that it's going to be a "flame free" area where we'll discuss stuff and at least try to be a little professional about it.

That's worked for us. Lots of businesses charge for their boards so that obviously works too.  It's just not what I like.

J
:thumbup: Now when can I renew?
Hang tight MrP.One thing we admittedly suck at is taking money very smoothly. :bag: Getting better though. Hang on a second as guys much smarter than I have to help me here (read Keith and David... ;) ) Hang on.

J

 
I agree about keeping the boards free for the most part. At the same time, it would be cool to have a separate forum for paying customers so that proprietary content could be discussed and debated as it comes out. Threads about weekly cheatsheets and why you think certain players are ranked too high or too low, etc. The mods are pretty good about allowing some of that kind of discussion now, but sometimes it gets into a gray area about whether too much information is being shared with non-paying board visitors.

 
Glad to amuse you Pony Boy, but we are on a different page.  I run a business now and I have done extensive marketing; you could keep boards open in the off season or for some time, and then shut down during the season.  People would "need" to sign up and in the long run, they will make More money and it would allow them to put more into our product.  You are entitled to your opinion, but I wouldn't run it this way.  BTW, to answer your question, I view my money to these guys as a donation for putting together a great site.  Many "free" sites in different verticals have a donation pool for people who "do for the greater good."  I feel $20 is nothing to donate for what is offered and that is why I signed up for 3 years
Well, thanks for the lesson in running a business. I'm sure that I will ask you for advice if my business starts faltering.Of course, you mention nothing about your little extortion scheme about putting up a poorer product in a highly competitve market when you attempt to shut out a large number of people, some of whom contribute meaningfully. I'm sure you've also done a linear programming model to show Joe & David exactly how much more money they can make by dumping on that significant number of non-subscribers.

We've got geniuses here in DEN in the transportation department that think exactly the way you do. They've built a toll road bypass around the south & east side of the metro area, but initially there weren't enough toll revenues to support the bond used to build the road, so what did the geniuses do? They raised the tolls to make up for the loss, which lead to even less people using the toll road, which then resulted in even lower revenues. They've raised the toll 3 times now, and generated lower revenues each time. Now that's some forward thinking. It's never occurred to them that if they lowered tolls a bit - gave just a little - that the increase in traffic volume just might generate much higher revenues.

It's a principal that works well in practice - you give a little to engender good will and to get others to try your product, and the result is higher revenues because of the increase in volume that more than compensates for the small amount that the business gives up on the frontside. It's something our company does, while our major competitors keep their prices sky high and limit their customer base in doing so. It has allowed our company to grow 450% from its first year to its second year, and to start to become a major player in our field. We give the same quality product or better, but we do it at a substantial discount from the recognized majors , and our customer base has grown considerably partly because of this.

I'll add two more things for you to ponder:

1) I'm a subscriber, and I do so willingly because of the vast amount of diverse opinion here. I would stop subscribing if Joe & David restricted the message board & blogger only to subscribers - because I know the product will be much poorer for it. I'm not interested in only rubbing elbows with people who act as a privledged class here simply because they decide to subscribe to a different portion of the product.

2) I'm damn glad you don't make the decisions here.

Until later, my friend. BTW, thanks for the lesson in business.
Pony Boy knows (as well as me and a few others here) first hand why making the board subscriber only is a bad idea. The Huddle tried that about 5 years ago and it didn't work out too well. They pissed off their frequent posters and they left before the Huddle got to introduce their new product. At the time, the Huddle's message board numbers FAR exceeded FBG but that is now no longer the case.I'm sure Joe and David were happy with Dorey's (think that was the Huddles owner's name) decision though, they got a lot of future business out of it, me included.....

 
Good commentary and feedback, although the sarcasm from Pony Boy isn't productive.

Radballs made an interesting point about the posting of cheatsheets from a debate standpoint. I don't know the answer to this, but are those discussion not allowed because it gives up that information?

FWIW, I know 10 people (our of a 12 man league) who read the boards and don't subscribe. Not only that they don't post, they just gather information. While some very good points were made why the status quo should remain, there are some valid reasons why the boards should be subscriber only.

Just one man's opinion.

 
While some very good points were made why the status quo should remain, there are some valid reasons why the boards should be subscriber only.
I believe we are waiting.
 
Good commentary and feedback, although the sarcasm from Pony Boy isn't productive.
Couldn't resist when you proclaimed using business tactics that are somewhat underhanded (IMO) were the way to run a business.CBSSportsline has done that with FF management services & has allowed other sites to bloom when they could have virtually cornered the market - if they had been reasonable with their pricing.
 
I agree with others here that there should be a forum just for paid members (not all of the forums though), that way there is a place to discuss the paid material. There were times I wanted to post an opinion on something I read, but you are not supposed to post the paid material.

:2cents:

 
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I shouldn't post this, but........

I don't subscribe because I get all the info I need for free.

However,

I comb the internet for information. My last stop is always here. I make my own cheat sheets. I do my own research. If I ever get sick of doing it, I will have no reservations about putting faith(and money) into this website. But until then, I can't see paying for it. It would suck to not be able to come here and read about fantasy football/NFL.

I come here because I believe it is the greatest collection of football fanatics on the planet. There aren't many who live and breath it like me. The ones who do have been on this board at some point. Probably discussing the HOF credentials of Vinny Testeverde> :)

 
In the grand scheme of things, I don't mind sacrificing one case of beer per year to FBG.

Consistently, I come here expecting little, only to be overwhelmed.

 

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