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Just tried to give you boys some cash, but the early deal isn't coming up for renewals.
Please check into this... thx.
Please check into this... thx.

I upped for 3 years as well. One thing i will send to David and Joe is that I think these forums should be for FBG only. I think they would see an increase as the info on hear is huge and many people get the FBG info without paying the fee and I would like to see these guys benefit from all.They must have just put it up. Earlier I was unable to renew but I checked and they have a new link. I bought 3 years for $59.95![]()
I disagree completely. I think this would result in a significant reduction in information & opinions, which is one of the highly desirable qualities of this board.I upped for 3 years as well. One thing i will send to David and Joe is that I think these forums should be for FBG only. I think they would see an increase as the info on hear is huge and many people get the FBG info without paying the fee and I would like to see these guys benefit from all.
VERYI disagree completely. I think this would result in a significant reduction in information & opinions, which is one of the highly desirable qualities of this board.I upped for 3 years as well. One thing i will send to David and Joe is that I think these forums should be for FBG only. I think they would see an increase as the info on hear is huge and many people get the FBG info without paying the fee and I would like to see these guys benefit from all.
I'm with Pony Boy and datonn on this. (And I'm a subscriber.)VERYI disagree completely. I think this would result in a significant reduction in information & opinions, which is one of the highly desirable qualities of this board.I upped for 3 years as well.
One thing i will send to David and Joe is that I think these forums should be for FBG only. I think they would see an increase as the info on hear is huge and many people get the FBG info without paying the fee and I would like to see these guys benefit from all.Not to mention the fact that these board are also a sales tool for people who might not yet be ready to subscribe, but will be convinced to after seeing the quality of material and opinions that are found around FBGs.com.
Try this page. The drop down menu on the right has the $20.95 price listed for a single season renewal.Just tried to give you boys some cash, but the early deal isn't coming up for renewals.
Please check into this... thx.![]()
VERYI disagree completely. I think this would result in a significant reduction in information & opinions, which is one of the highly desirable qualities of this board.I upped for 3 years as well.
One thing i will send to David and Joe is that I think these forums should be for FBG only. I think they would see an increase as the info on hear is huge and many people get the FBG info without paying the fee and I would like to see these guys benefit from all.Not to mention the fact that these board are also a sales tool for people who might not yet be ready to subscribe, but will be convinced to after seeing the quality of material and opinions that are found around FBGs.com.
I'm one of these. 3 year non subscriber but then started subscribing last year. I'm sure there are many here who did the same.VERYI disagree completely. I think this would result in a significant reduction in information & opinions, which is one of the highly desirable qualities of this board.I upped for 3 years as well.
One thing i will send to David and Joe is that I think these forums should be for FBG only. I think they would see an increase as the info on hear is huge and many people get the FBG info without paying the fee and I would like to see these guys benefit from all.Not to mention the fact that these board are also a sales tool for people who might not yet be ready to subscribe, but will be convinced to after seeing the quality of material and opinions that are found around FBGs.com.
I like this idea the best! I've been around off and on these boards for at least a couple years running. I still havn't figured out how to load a pick under my name like most posters have, let alone show I am now a member thru 2009.I think the forums should stay free, but possibly under the user name or profile it should state if the person is a paying member of FBGs. Not that that would increase/decrease the weight of their opinion, but could be a little extra marketting.
I think the chance of going belly up (or sold) is slim to none, but we will offer $40 back after year 1 and/or $20 after year 2 should either of those occur.What's the refund policy on the three year deal, in the event FBG goes belly up?
I think the chance of going belly up (or sold) is slim to none, but we will offer $40 back after year 1 and/or $20 after year 2 should either of those occur.What's the refund policy on the three year deal, in the event FBG goes belly up?
I think the chance of going belly up (or sold) is slim to none, but we will offer $40 back after year 1 and/or $20 after year 2 should either of those occur.What's the refund policy on the three year deal, in the event FBG goes belly up?![]()
Hey LT,I understand where you're coming from, but I can assure you that access the message boards and the blogger will remain free.I upped for 3 years as well. One thing i will send to David and Joe is that I think these forums should be for FBG only. I think they would see an increase as the info on hear is huge and many people get the FBG info without paying the fee and I would like to see these guys benefit from all.They must have just put it up. Earlier I was unable to renew but I checked and they have a new link. I bought 3 years for $59.95![]()
If you ran a business would you want people to get access to most of the information others pay for free? That doesn't maek sense. People would spend the $20 to be part of it if they contribute. Right now Joe and David are losing income that if they had they would be able to throw more into the product.All that happens now is people with the access use this forum to share it with non payers.I disagree completely. I think this would result in a significant reduction in information & opinions, which is one of the highly desirable qualities of this board.I upped for 3 years as well.
One thing i will send to David and Joe is that I think these forums should be for FBG only. I think they would see an increase as the info on hear is huge and many people get the FBG info without paying the fee and I would like to see these guys benefit from all.
The chances of going belly up are VERY rare, but David you can't promise money back if you go belly up, bankruptcy laws wouldn't allow it. If you came out of bankrutcy you could have a policy for the old subscribers though.This such a remote chance that it should not weigh in anyones thinking thoughI think the chance of going belly up (or sold) is slim to none, but we will offer $40 back after year 1 and/or $20 after year 2 should either of those occur.What's the refund policy on the three year deal, in the event FBG goes belly up?
I disagree completely. I think this would result in a significant reduction in information & opinions, which is one of the highly desirable qualities of this board.
Always exceptions fatness.Worked in the Night Club business for years and the vast majority had a sign clearly posted right behind the doorman collecting the $10.00 cover charge, saying 2 drink minimum.I disagree completely. I think this would result in a significant reduction in information & opinions, which is one of the highly desirable qualities of this board.And it is also bad business. People come in, browse around, like what they see, and join. You can't stop people from entering a store by standing at the door saying "you must purchase something before entering" and expect to keep running a good store.
The chances of going belly up are VERY rare, but David you can't promise money back if you go belly up, bankruptcy laws wouldn't allow it. If you came out of bankrutcy you could have a policy for the old subscribers though.This such a remote chance that it should not weigh in anyones thinking thoughI think the chance of going belly up (or sold) is slim to none, but we will offer $40 back after year 1 and/or $20 after year 2 should either of those occur.What's the refund policy on the three year deal, in the event FBG goes belly up?
I think you can view content from last year including all of the applications, which are top notch.I came here when FFToday was down. If this board wasnt free, i would have avoided it. As it stands, i am very impressed with this board and site, and your collective minds. IF i subribe to any service it will be here and that would not have happened had i not been able to access this forum.
The key is to make whats available to subscribers so good that one can't live without it! Are their samples to view?
All of last year's content can be accessed from the menu entitled "2005 Archives" near the top of the FBG homepage.I think you can view content from last year including all of the applications, which are top notch.I came here when FFToday was down. If this board wasnt free, i would have avoided it. As it stands, i am very impressed with this board and site, and your collective minds. IF i subribe to any service it will be here and that would not have happened had i not been able to access this forum.
The key is to make whats available to subscribers so good that one can't live without it! Are their samples to view?
I upped for 3 years as well. One thing i will send to David and Joe is that I think these forums should be for FBG only. I think they would see an increase as the info on hear is huge and many people get the FBG info without paying the fee and I would like to see these guys benefit from all.They must have just put it up. Earlier I was unable to renew but I checked and they have a new link. I bought 3 years for $59.95![]()
I think the forums should stay free, but possibly under the user name or profile it should state if the person is a paying member of FBGs. Not that that would increase/decrease the weight of their opinion, but could be a little extra marketting.
Glad to amuse you Pony Boy, but we are on a different page. I run a business now and I have done extensive marketing; you could keep boards open in the off season or for some time, and then shut down during the season. People would "need" to sign up and in the long run, they will make More money and it would allow them to put more into our product. You are entitled to your opinion, but I wouldn't run it this way. BTW, to answer your question, I view my money to these guys as a donation for putting together a great site. Many "free" sites in different verticals have a donation pool for people who "do for the greater good." I feel $20 is nothing to donate for what is offered and that is why I signed up for 3 yearsThe chances of going belly up are VERY rare, but David you can't promise money back if you go belly up, bankruptcy laws wouldn't allow it. If you came out of bankruptcy you could have a policy for the old subscribers though.This such a remote chance that it should not weigh in anyones thinking thoughI think the chance of going belly up (or sold) is slim to none, but we will offer $40 back after year 1 and/or $20 after year 2 should either of those occur.What's the refund policy on the three year deal, in the event FBG goes belly up?If you can get the pay-for info for free, then why in the 7 Hells did you ante up for 3 years?
The staff here is very particular about what & how much pay-for info gets allowed into the SP, and the amount hardly scratches the total amount of info available for pay.
I guess I'd put it 2 ways:
1) I like more opinions than just those of subscribers. The more opinions, the larger pool to cull info from, and the more insight available, as well as possibly catching some significant info that the staff hasn't seen yet. That's nothing but good, IMO. If only subscribers were allowed to post, we'd get probably 60% or more of the posts being carbon copies of the staff's opinions. Not that that is necessarily a bad thing, staffers - honest, no really, I was just kidding. Put down the thread gun and slowly step away....
2) It's Joe & David board. They can do what they GD please.
Either one works for me.
Not only that, but the website as a whole would get far less traffic.VERYI disagree completely. I think this would result in a significant reduction in information & opinions, which is one of the highly desirable qualities of this board.I upped for 3 years as well.
One thing i will send to David and Joe is that I think these forums should be for FBG only. I think they would see an increase as the info on hear is huge and many people get the FBG info without paying the fee and I would like to see these guys benefit from all.Not to mention the fact that these board are also a sales tool for people who might not yet be ready to subscribe, but will be convinced to after seeing the quality of material and opinions that are found around FBGs.com.
Well, thanks for the lesson in running a business. I'm sure that I will ask you for advice if my business starts faltering.Of course, you mention nothing about your little extortion scheme about putting up a poorer product in a highly competitve market when you attempt to shut out a large number of people, some of whom contribute meaningfully. I'm sure you've also done a linear programming model to show Joe & David exactly how much more money they can make by dumping on that significant number of non-subscribers. We've got geniuses here in DEN in the transportation department that think exactly the way you do. They've built a toll road bypass around the south & east side of the metro area, but initially there weren't enough toll revenues to support the bond used to build the road, so what did the geniuses do? They raised the tolls to make up for the loss, which lead to even less people using the toll road, which then resulted in even lower revenues. They've raised the toll 3 times now, and generated lower revenues each time. Now that's some forward thinking. It's never occurred to them that if they lowered tolls a bit - gave just a little - that the increase in traffic volume just might generate much higher revenues.It's a principal that works well in practice - you give a little to engender good will and to get others to try your product, and the result is higher revenues because of the increase in volume that more than compensates for the small amount that the business gives up on the frontside. It's something our company does, while our major competitors keep their prices sky high and limit their customer base in doing so. It has allowed our company to grow 450% from its first year to its second year, and to start to become a major player in our field. We give the same quality product or better, but we do it at a substantial discount from the recognized majors , and our customer base has grown considerably partly because of this.I'll add two more things for you to ponder:1) I'm a subscriber, and I do so willingly because of the vast amount of diverse opinion here. I would stop subscribing if Joe & David restricted the message board & blogger only to subscribers - because I know the product will be much poorer for it. I'm not interested in only rubbing elbows with people who act as a privledged class here simply because they decide to subscribe to a different portion of the product.2) I'm damn glad you don't make the decisions here.Until later, my friend. BTW, thanks for the lesson in business.Glad to amuse you Pony Boy, but we are on a different page. I run a business now and I have done extensive marketing; you could keep boards open in the off season or for some time, and then shut down during the season. People would "need" to sign up and in the long run, they will make More money and it would allow them to put more into our product. You are entitled to your opinion, but I wouldn't run it this way. BTW, to answer your question, I view my money to these guys as a donation for putting together a great site. Many "free" sites in different verticals have a donation pool for people who "do for the greater good." I feel $20 is nothing to donate for what is offered and that is why I signed up for 3 years
That's what I'd expect from a 5-digiterI think the forums should stay free, but possibly under the user name or profile it should state if the person is a paying member of FBGs. Not that that would increase/decrease the weight of their opinion, but could be a little extra marketting.
That's what I'd expect from a 5-digiterI think the forums should stay free, but possibly under the user name or profile it should state if the person is a paying member of FBGs. Not that that would increase/decrease the weight of their opinion, but could be a little extra marketting.![]()
i know of a number of boards that have lame traffic, which means less commentary, because they operate like you suggested....get rid of the ffa and you get rid of most of the tools anyway...I upped for 3 years as well. One thing i will send to David and Joe is that I think these forums should be for FBG only. I think they would see an increase as the info on hear is huge and many people get the FBG info without paying the fee and I would like to see these guys benefit from all.They must have just put it up. Earlier I was unable to renew but I checked and they have a new link. I bought 3 years for $59.95![]()
Hey Guys,
There are a zillion ways to run a business successfully. I'd never presume that I know the answer but I do know that for us, the "right" move (defined as what feels right) is to always keep the boards free.
And heavily (many think too heavily) moderated so that smart people can post in depth stuff and know that it's going to be a "flame free" area where we'll discuss stuff and at least try to be a little professional about it.
That's worked for us. Lots of businesses charge for their boards so that obviously works too. It's just not what I like.
J
Hang tight MrP.One thing we admittedly suck at is taking money very smoothly.Hey Guys,
There are a zillion ways to run a business successfully. I'd never presume that I know the answer but I do know that for us, the "right" move (defined as what feels right) is to always keep the boards free.
And heavily (many think too heavily) moderated so that smart people can post in depth stuff and know that it's going to be a "flame free" area where we'll discuss stuff and at least try to be a little professional about it.
That's worked for us. Lots of businesses charge for their boards so that obviously works too. It's just not what I like.
JNow when can I renew?
Pony Boy knows (as well as me and a few others here) first hand why making the board subscriber only is a bad idea. The Huddle tried that about 5 years ago and it didn't work out too well. They pissed off their frequent posters and they left before the Huddle got to introduce their new product. At the time, the Huddle's message board numbers FAR exceeded FBG but that is now no longer the case.I'm sure Joe and David were happy with Dorey's (think that was the Huddles owner's name) decision though, they got a lot of future business out of it, me included.....Well, thanks for the lesson in running a business. I'm sure that I will ask you for advice if my business starts faltering.Of course, you mention nothing about your little extortion scheme about putting up a poorer product in a highly competitve market when you attempt to shut out a large number of people, some of whom contribute meaningfully. I'm sure you've also done a linear programming model to show Joe & David exactly how much more money they can make by dumping on that significant number of non-subscribers.Glad to amuse you Pony Boy, but we are on a different page. I run a business now and I have done extensive marketing; you could keep boards open in the off season or for some time, and then shut down during the season. People would "need" to sign up and in the long run, they will make More money and it would allow them to put more into our product. You are entitled to your opinion, but I wouldn't run it this way. BTW, to answer your question, I view my money to these guys as a donation for putting together a great site. Many "free" sites in different verticals have a donation pool for people who "do for the greater good." I feel $20 is nothing to donate for what is offered and that is why I signed up for 3 years
We've got geniuses here in DEN in the transportation department that think exactly the way you do. They've built a toll road bypass around the south & east side of the metro area, but initially there weren't enough toll revenues to support the bond used to build the road, so what did the geniuses do? They raised the tolls to make up for the loss, which lead to even less people using the toll road, which then resulted in even lower revenues. They've raised the toll 3 times now, and generated lower revenues each time. Now that's some forward thinking. It's never occurred to them that if they lowered tolls a bit - gave just a little - that the increase in traffic volume just might generate much higher revenues.
It's a principal that works well in practice - you give a little to engender good will and to get others to try your product, and the result is higher revenues because of the increase in volume that more than compensates for the small amount that the business gives up on the frontside. It's something our company does, while our major competitors keep their prices sky high and limit their customer base in doing so. It has allowed our company to grow 450% from its first year to its second year, and to start to become a major player in our field. We give the same quality product or better, but we do it at a substantial discount from the recognized majors , and our customer base has grown considerably partly because of this.
I'll add two more things for you to ponder:
1) I'm a subscriber, and I do so willingly because of the vast amount of diverse opinion here. I would stop subscribing if Joe & David restricted the message board & blogger only to subscribers - because I know the product will be much poorer for it. I'm not interested in only rubbing elbows with people who act as a privledged class here simply because they decide to subscribe to a different portion of the product.
2) I'm damn glad you don't make the decisions here.
Until later, my friend. BTW, thanks for the lesson in business.
I believe we are waiting.While some very good points were made why the status quo should remain, there are some valid reasons why the boards should be subscriber only.
Couldn't resist when you proclaimed using business tactics that are somewhat underhanded (IMO) were the way to run a business.CBSSportsline has done that with FF management services & has allowed other sites to bloom when they could have virtually cornered the market - if they had been reasonable with their pricing.Good commentary and feedback, although the sarcasm from Pony Boy isn't productive.