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High School Program Cancels Season bc of Bullying... (1 Viewer)

fantasycurse42

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& Harassment.

http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2014/10/sayreville_football_bullying_scandal.html

This is a powerhouse too, Sayreville is always in contention for a state title. Actually played against them many moons ago in state playoff game.

I'm torn on this. I don't understand why you don't just remove 5-10 kids and let the others keep playing? I doubt an entire team is behind the allegations... This is a solid enough program to still be competitive even after removing a bunch of players. Like to know what the accusations actually are.

 
I'm with you about punishing the team for the action of, likely, some.

Here's the relevant quote from your link that explains why they didn't take that route, IMO:

incidents of harassment, intimidation and bullying "took place on a pervasive level, on a wide-scale level and at a level in which the players knew, tolerated and in general accepted."
 
I'm with you about punishing the team for the action of, likely, some.

Here's the relevant quote from your link that explains why they didn't take that route, IMO:

incidents of harassment, intimidation and bullying "took place on a pervasive level, on a wide-scale level and at a level in which the players knew, tolerated and in general accepted."
These are high school kids... If there are a handful of troublemakers, I think holding others accountable who didn't partake but knew were going on is excessive in punishment for the latter of that group.

 
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So what happens to the kid who is going to miss his shot at a scholarship because of this? Sounds like a great way for the school to get themselves sued for a college education.

 
So what happens to the kid who is going to miss his shot at a scholarship because of this? Sounds like a great way for the school to get themselves sued for a college education.
There are prob a few kids in this program who fall into the scholarship bucket.

 
I'm with you about punishing the team for the action of, likely, some.

Here's the relevant quote from your link that explains why they didn't take that route, IMO:

incidents of harassment, intimidation and bullying "took place on a pervasive level, on a wide-scale level and at a level in which the players knew, tolerated and in general accepted."
These are high school kids... If there are a handful of troublemakers, I think holding others accountable who didn't partake but knew were going on is excessive in punishment for the latter of that group.
I'm reading "handful" as not the same as "pervasive".

 
I'm with you about punishing the team for the action of, likely, some.

Here's the relevant quote from your link that explains why they didn't take that route, IMO:

incidents of harassment, intimidation and bullying "took place on a pervasive level, on a wide-scale level and at a level in which the players knew, tolerated and in general accepted."
These are high school kids... If there are a handful of troublemakers, I think holding others accountable who didn't partake but knew were going on is excessive in punishment for the latter of that group.
True but these HS kids then go to college and because it was ok then and then ok with the current college team, they think its ok to do to anyone. What happens is you then have 5-6 18yr old freshman getting kicked out of college cause of this stuff. Say it first hand when I was the RA on the floor of freshman guys many years ago. Every one of those kids said the same thing "we thought it was ok cause it was done to us".

 
Their defensive coordinator was recently arrested for steroids and there seems to be a thought he was supplying the players. I don't know enough about the particulars but I applaud the superintentdent as I'm sure it would have been a lot easier for him to not cancel the season.

 
Their defensive coordinator was recently arrested for steroids and there seems to be a thought he was supplying the players. I don't know enough about the particulars but I applaud the superintentdent as I'm sure it would have been a lot easier for him to not cancel the season.
Agreed. From afar, it looks like a program that thought it was untouchable and needed to be reeled back into reality. Probably made itself a target to a "law and order" academic administrator at some level.

The overall message is "Not a one of you is owed the opportunity to play high school football at Sayreville. It is a privilege that must be collectively earned."

 
Here's a little more info on the abuse.

It came without warning.

It would start with a howling noise from a senior football player at Sayreville War Memorial High School, and then the locker room lights were abruptly shut off.

In the darkness, a freshman football player would be pinned to the locker-room floor, his arms and feet held down by multiple upperclassmen. Then, the victim would be lifted to his feet while a finger was forced into his rectum. Sometimes, the same finger was then shoved into the freshman player’s mouth.

This disturbing hazing within the storied Sayreville football program, as told to NJ Advance Media on Wednesday by the parent of a player in the program, happened almost every day in the locker room this fall, he said.

The allegations — for the first time — provide details to the events that sparked a criminal investigation by local and county police, and prompted the cancellation of the remainder of the Sayreville football season this week by Superintendent of Schools Richard Labbe.

The parent, informed by his son and other parents close to the investigation, is the first to come forward to reveal the hazing practices Labbe has characterized as “incidences of harassment, intimidation and bullying as constituted by the definition within the anti-bullying statute that took place on a pervasive level, on a wide-scale level, and at a level in which the players knew, tolerated, and in general accepted.”

According to the parent, whose identity is being protected because the parent feared retribution against the family and the player, the routine was initiated when an upperclassman would enter the locker room and make a wolf call or howling noise.

“[For] 10 seconds, the lights would go off and they would grab a freshman and they would go on,” the parent said. “Right on the floor. … It was happening every day. They would get the freshmen.”

He added: “Kids would just sit around and witness [stuff] like this.”

Detectives from the Middlesex County Prosecutors Office and the Sayreville Police Department are investigating the allegations, but officials have refused to reveal any specifics about the case. The parent said his son and several other Sayreville players have been questioned by police. No charges have been filed. The parent also said he is in the process of retaining an attorney.

“These parents here, they’re in shock,” the parent said. “We never expected anything like this to happen. Your kid, he’s going to school, school’s got to be a place where you think the kid is the safest.”

When told of the specific allegations over the phone Wednesday, Labbe declined to comment. He referred to his previous comments calling the allegations “very serious.”

A message left in the Middlesex County Prosecutor's Office was not immediately returned. David Abromaitis, a detective in the office, declined comment Wednesday when reached by phone.

The parent said the “ringleaders” involved in the hazing are seniors.

Madeline Thillet, speaking at Tuesday night’s board of education meeting, said her son was one of the members of the team interviewed by investigators. She downplayed the hazing while protesting the cancellation of the season.

“I was at the police station with him when they were questioning him,” she said. “They were talking about a butt being grabbed. That’s about it. No one was hurt. No one died. I don’t understand why they’re being punished. I think that the forfeited game was punishment enough.”

The parent said he could not “understand how none of the coaches were aware of it. As a coach, you know what’s going on in your clubhouse. You know what’s going on in the locker room.”

On Oct. 1, Labbe said he was alerted to an anonymous allegation made to Sayreville police about a serious incident of inappropriate conduct —possibly more — by members of the football team. The next day, the matter was turned over to the Middlesex County prosecutor and Labbe canceled Sayreville’s football games — varsity, junior varsity and freshman contests — last weekend against rival South Brunswick.

On Monday, Labbe announced he was canceling the rest of the season.

The hazing allegations have turned Sayreville’s no frills, blue-collar community upside-down, as both local and national news vans and media reporters have descended on the town, scouring the streets and interviewing people in parking lots and strip malls.

Many Sayreville residents have expressed outrage over the cancellation of the football season. The varsity team, nicknamed the Bombers, has made the playoffs in each of the past 20 seasons, and Sayreville has captured three state championships over the past four years, feeding nearby Rutgers University with a host of elite players.

More than a hundred Sayreville residents attended Tuesday night’s previously scheduled board of education meeting to urge the members to reconsider the decision to cancel the season. The crowd, at times, grew heated and animated, but the board affirmed the decision to end the football season.

Afterward, about a hundred people gathered under the lights on the football field, until it was time to go home.

 
In the darkness, a freshman football player would be pinned to the locker-room floor, his arms and feet held down by multiple upperclassmen. Then, the victim would be lifted to his feet while a finger was forced into his rectum. Sometimes, the same finger was then shoved into the freshman player’s mouth.
Seriously, the ####?

 
Okay, now I'm glad they canceled the season. #### these kids, even the ones that knew that didn't stop it. Honestly, I hope the participants are charged as adults and never see scholarships.

 
this isnt hazing....hazing was making me rake The baseball field and carrying equipment and

bases. i loved my teammates, i would never rape them.

 
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WTF is wrong with kids these days? A finger in the rectum? If my kid was involved on either end, heads would ####### roll!
These days ? The wedgies & towell to ### whippings in my day were tinged with the same homoerotic ### play of today. Brother Philip sat at the shower entrance/exit with a towell in hand just waiting..
 
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WTF is wrong with kids these days? A finger in the rectum? If my kid was involved on either end, heads would ####### roll!
These days ? The wedgies & towell to ### whippings in my day were tinged with the same homoerotic ### play of today. Brother Philip sat at the shower entrance/exit with a towell in hand just waiting..
My nephew told me stories of teabagging going on at his Alabama school. Don't remember things like that when I was in school and it's a far cry from snapping people with a towel.

 
WTF is wrong with kids these days? A finger in the rectum? If my kid was involved on either end, heads would ####### roll!
These days ? The wedgies & towell to ### whippings in my day were tinged with the same homoerotic ### play of today. Brother Philip sat at the shower entrance/exit with a towell in hand just waiting..
Penetration? Sticking your finger in a kids ###? We were made to and then made others carry our pads, wedgies, we taped someone to a goalpost... Harmless fun. Nothing got to the point of sodomizing someone.

 
So according to some folks I'm FB friends with who have kids in that district, in addition to the "finger in the bum," hazing, they also apparently would routinely pee in the freshmen's helmets then make them wear them, and also there are a few reports of "other" things stuck in kid's bums...The one specific mention was to a coke bottle.

When I was in school, the hazing was called "The Rip." They'd randomly call back a freshman on the bus trip home from a game and basically give him an atomic wedgie that ripped his underwear off. I didn't play FB till I was a Senior, so I never had to do it, nor did I partake as I know it was scary for some of the freshmen. Some of the seniors really got into it, which was kind of sad.

FWIW - I'm a firm believer in kids being kids, but this is WAY too far. Not only is it pretty clearly criminal behavior, but I can't even imagine if one of the freshmen was abused as a child or something.

 
WTF is wrong with kids these days? A finger in the rectum? If my kid was involved on either end, heads would ####### roll!
These days ? The wedgies & towell to ### whippings in my day were tinged with the same homoerotic ### play of today. Brother Philip sat at the shower entrance/exit with a towell in hand just waiting..
My nephew told me stories of teabagging going on at his Alabama school. Don't remember things like that when I was in school and it's a far cry from snapping people with a towel.
I bet he couldn't even ONE atomic sit-up

 
WTF is wrong with kids these days? A finger in the rectum? If my kid was involved on either end, heads would ####### roll!
These days ? The wedgies & towell to ### whippings in my day were tinged with the same homoerotic ### play of today. Brother Philip sat at the shower entrance/exit with a towell in hand just waiting..
Penetration? Sticking your finger in a kids ###? We were made to and then made others carry our pads, wedgies, we taped someone to a goalpost... Harmless fun. Nothing got to the point of sodomizing someone.
Agree 100%...It's pretty clear a very defined line has been crossed.

 
So according to some folks I'm FB friends with who have kids in that district, in addition to the "finger in the bum," hazing, they also apparently would routinely pee in the freshmen's helmets then make them wear them, and also there are a few reports of "other" things stuck in kid's bums...The one specific mention was to a coke bottle.
wtf

sticking things up other kids/team-mate's butts?... wtf. Nothing sexual or rapey there. What the hell are these kids thinking- and is the fingerer drawing the short straw or- likely- enjoying it.

 
So according to some folks I'm FB friends with who have kids in that district, in addition to the "finger in the bum," hazing, they also apparently would routinely pee in the freshmen's helmets then make them wear them, and also there are a few reports of "other" things stuck in kid's bums...The one specific mention was to a coke bottle.
wtf

sticking things up other kids/team-mate's butts?... wtf. Nothing sexual or rapey there. What the hell are these kids thinking- and is the fingerer drawing the short straw or- likely- enjoying it.
Yeah...I kind of wondered that too. Seems like punishment all around...and if not, even more twisted.

 
But it gives the football boosters a sad. I live in a "football" town. We have needed to split high schools in our town for years to improve service and academics but everytime it comes up the football whackos lose their minds because THINK ABOUT THE FOOTBALL!!!!!!

The kind of culture in these towns starts in biddy football all the way up to the oldest alumni. It's messed up.

 
So sad. Actually the coach should be fired if the allegations are true. The seniors if they are 18 should have to register as sex offenders. WTF happened to simple hazing like carrying pads, or letting the upper class men ride the nicer bus? There is always some ahole who takes it a step to far, but this like taking it to another thousand levels. How does one take a finger in the #######, and keep quiet about it? I hope that (again if true) that annoymous finds out who these finger bangers are and "outs" them. There really isn't a place for hazing anymore.

 
There really isn't a place for hazing anymore.
I disagree with this. Hazing is a right of passage, it's #######s like this that take it WAYYYY to far.

There's nothing wrong with making an underclassman carry pads, clean your locker, or dumping someone in the ice bath on a hot day.

 
Reminds me of the time those varsity soccer players held me down with their cleats and started pissing on my face and clothes. Can't believe they only did that twice. I should've paid them more than $50.

 
What good does hazing do at any level? It is a tradition that just needs to die. Just like "blood rank" in the military.

 
There really isn't a place for hazing anymore.
I disagree with this. Hazing is a right of passage, it's #######s like this that take it WAYYYY to far.There's nothing wrong with making an underclassman carry pads, clean your locker, or dumping someone in the ice bath on a hot day.
There kinda is something wrong with those as well.
:goodposting: Hazing is stupid, period.

I never understood why it was OK treat someone differently or degrade them or make them do more work etc etc just because they were "new".

 
I'm with you about punishing the team for the action of, likely, some.

Here's the relevant quote from your link that explains why they didn't take that route, IMO:

incidents of harassment, intimidation and bullying "took place on a pervasive level, on a wide-scale level and at a level in which the players knew, tolerated and in general accepted."
These are high school kids... If there are a handful of troublemakers, I think holding others accountable who didn't partake but knew were going on is excessive in punishment for the latter of that group.
Yeah, but it's football. You're not preventing them from going to college, or punishing them financially, you're taking away the (ultimately meaningless) activity around which the hazing is centered around.

If it were something more innocuous, fine, suspend a couple guys/kick them off the team, but this is ####### crazy.

 
So sad. Actually the coach should be fired if the allegations are true. The seniors if they are 18 should have to register as sex offenders. WTF happened to simple hazing like carrying pads, or letting the upper class men ride the nicer bus? There is always some ahole who takes it a step to far, but this like taking it to another thousand levels. How does one take a finger in the #######, and keep quiet about it? I hope that (again if true) that annoymous finds out who these finger bangers are and "outs" them. There really isn't a place for hazing anymore.
Fired? How about prosecuted for criminal neglect. Tell you what - anyone ever did that #### to my son I'd be the one going to jail.
 
There really isn't a place for hazing anymore.
I disagree with this. Hazing is a right of passage, it's #######s like this that take it WAYYYY to far. There's nothing wrong with making an underclassman carry pads, clean your locker, or dumping someone in the ice bath on a hot day.
There kinda is something wrong with those as well.
No there isn't... I was on the receiving and giving end of both and remain friends with a lot of people on both ends to this day. "Hey freshman, carry these ####### pads up the hill and back to the locker room"

This isn't a big deal at all. Especially if you were involved in an intense practice that day and your body is killing you. Would you also think it is wrong for a 6'2 210lb senior to level a 5'7 145lb soph during the practice?

 
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There really isn't a place for hazing anymore.
I disagree with this. Hazing is a right of passage, it's #######s like this that take it WAYYYY to far.There's nothing wrong with making an underclassman carry pads, clean your locker, or dumping someone in the ice bath on a hot day.
There kinda is something wrong with those as well.
No there isn't... I was on the receiving and giving end of both and remain friends with a lot of people on both ends to this day."Hey freshman, carry these ####### pads up the hill and back to the locker room"

This isn't a big deal at all. Especially if you were involved in an intense practice that day and your body is killing you. Would you also think it is wrong for a 6'2 210lb senior to level a 5'7 145lb soph during the practice?
We will have to agree to disagree. The argument that it didn't bother you is not a good argument. "It is has always been this way" "I had to take a finger in the ###, and I turned out ok!" These don't make any sense. I look at differently as I get older. I think that building a team with team bonding events is a lot better way to introduce new people to the team. But, to each their own...I would rather take a team of football players to see "When The Game Stands Tall" or "Remember The Titans" but, others like the finger poppin' #######s better.

 
There really isn't a place for hazing anymore.
I disagree with this. Hazing is a right of passage, it's #######s like this that take it WAYYYY to far. There's nothing wrong with making an underclassman carry pads, clean your locker, or dumping someone in the ice bath on a hot day.
There kinda is something wrong with those as well.
No there isn't... I was on the receiving and giving end of both and remain friends with a lot of people on both ends to this day. "Hey freshman, carry these ####### pads up the hill and back to the locker room"

This isn't a big deal at all. Especially if you were involved in an intense practice that day and your body is killing you. Would you also think it is wrong for a 6'2 210lb senior to level a 5'7 145lb soph during the practice?
I get where you're going but it's a form of bullying in this generation.

I don't care what you went through or what your outcome. This may seem light hearted but any kid who voices a complaint for things of this nature will be protected by anti - bullying laws and procedures.

 

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