Hines Ward voted the NFL's dirtiest player again (1 Viewer)

[FUBAR]

Let's put it differently for the slow folks on this board:Even if you don't believe the "sample" is representative of the overall population of NFL players, and you believe that the remaining 5/6 of players don't think Ward is a dirty player --- that still leaves ~2% of all NFL players who think Ward is the dirtiest player in the league. That is a lot.

sure, now how many of those who voted for him actually think he is truly dirty? As opposed to thinking players are clean but of those, the dirtiest is Ward?

 

[Steelfan7]

If a 200 lb WR is the dirtiest player then the NFL has become a league of pansies.

Not buying this argument. Dirty is all about intent. A guy could be 5'4" and 120 lbs and still be the dirtiest player in the league if he stomped on players on the ground, spit on opponents, punched people in the nuts at the bottom of the pile, and attempted to intentionally break fingers or dislocate shoulders.

Dirty is not playing within the rules of your sport. What Ward does is legal. NFL is a big boys league, if players don't like to be hit then play baseball or basketball.

 

[Steelfan7]

.... my guess is it is doing one of forms of illegal blocks.

then they woud have stated to the owner and coach exactly as such. they did not.http://www.bing.com/search?q=fined+for+hel...rc=IE-SearchBox

they give fines for helmet to helmet all the time. His are given for "unnessecary roughness" on a legal block.

Unnecessary roughness is a penalizable offense. If it were a legal block there would have been no fine. I don't think football should be about cheap shots, there's nothing tough about teeing off on a guy caught in a bad position or someone who doesn't see you coming.

Anyone who has ever played or coached football has learned/taught very early that you always keep your head on a swivel and know your surroundings during a play. Not seeing a hit coming is not a legitimate excuse for getting lit up by a block.

 

[Young 8]

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[treat88]

So who in here actually believes that helmet to helmet contact is illegal, except against players in very specific situations?

If you have stated this or believe this you don't understand the rules of the sport.

Those specific situations were expanded to include crackback blocks THIS season.

However, outside of those specific situations, helmet to helmet contact is perfectly legal and happens all the time on almost every play.

Those complaining that Hines put his helmet in the opponents facemask when he hit them may very well be correct, but they are absolutely incorrect that it was illegal prior to this season.

Players get fined all the time for actions that don't draw flags on the field. A fine in no way correlates with legality.

You may not like the plays in question, or how fiercely Ward plays, but he plays 100% within the rules of the game.

 

[Steelfan7]

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TDHow you like me now?

Champion

 

[poopdawg]

http://nflfromthesidelines.blogspot.com/

See Lolley's 11/05 post for how SI conducted this poll.

Wow. Polamalu is ninth??Do people really consider him a dirty player?

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

So who in here actually believes that helmet to helmet contact is illegal, except against players in very specific situations?If you have stated this or believe this you don't understand the rules of the sport.Those specific situations were expanded to include crackback blocks THIS season.However, outside of those specific situations, helmet to helmet contact is perfectly legal and happens all the time on almost every play.Those complaining that Hines put his helmet in the opponents facemask when he hit them may very well be correct, but they are absolutely incorrect that it was illegal prior to this season.Players get fined all the time for actions that don't draw flags on the field. A fine in no way correlates with legality.You may not like the plays in question, or how fiercely Ward plays, but he plays 100% within the rules of the game.

None of this is even relevant. What matters is that his peers label him a dirty player, at a higher rate than any other player in the game today.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

It's hysterical to see a bunch of Steeler homer couch potatoes arguing with the results of a poll OF ACTUAL NFL PLAYERS.

Free to name any of hundreds of players in the NFL, his peers chose him as the dirtiest player AGAIN - and you guys are trying to defend him.

Take off the blindfold and get out of Pittsburgh for a day or two. The vision and perspective will do you good.

 

[Postradamus]

:X Steelers fans are truly acting like Steelers fans in here. Why get all defensive for your boy Hines when this is just some stupid unscientific poll? He was voted to be dirty, but that just doesn't satisfy you. No, instead you try to call the rest of the NFL ####### and act like Hines is really a clean player with a bad perception, it's silly to argue either way. I might print this out and share with my buddies. Choke acting like he's tougher than NFL football players might have taken the cake though. Holy hell that was hilarious. I can just see him reading this: "when in fact all 296 are probably way tougher than anyone on FBGs." He's all like, do they even REALIZE how freaking tough I am? There ain't no way I'm letting this guy call me a #####.

Thank you, please keep this up.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

What has Joey Porter done to get labeled a dirty player? Honest question. I know he's a loudmouth and he's irritating, but he never struck me as dirty. There was that Todd Heap / injury / shove play that some people got pretty upset with, but that's been what ...7 years now? anything else?

he doesn't take it out on others on the field ... he saves it for Casinos

hah. I had forgotten about that but again ... while that clearly speaks to some mental and anger issues, can anyone point to anything "dirty" he does as a player?

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I think Ward walks the line sometimes by playing the way he does, but I really don't have a problem with it. The are officials on the field & in the NFL HQ to take care of it. The guy plays hard and sometimes he'll go past what's allowable.

One thing I can guarantee - every single fan here who's pissing & moaning about Hines' play would be defending him if he was on their team. I'd take him in a heartbeat on a team I rooted for.

 

[Postradamus]

What has Joey Porter done to get labeled a dirty player? Honest question. I know he's a loudmouth and he's irritating, but he never struck me as dirty. There was that Todd Heap / injury / shove play that some people got pretty upset with, but that's been what ...7 years now? anything else?

he doesn't take it out on others on the field ... he saves it for Casinos

hah. I had forgotten about that but again ... while that clearly speaks to some mental and anger issues, can anyone point to anything "dirty" he does as a player?

How many dirty plays are actually caught on camera? I'm thinking this vote is about what happens in pile-ons, maybe dirty trash talk, who knows really. Sitting in front of a TV can only let you in on so much.

 

[Steelfan7]

Steelers fans are truly acting like Steelers fans in here. Why get all defensive for your boy Hines when this is just some stupid unscientific poll? He was voted to be dirty, but that just doesn't satisfy you. No, instead you try to call the rest of the NFL ####### and act like Hines is really a clean player with a bad perception, it's silly to argue either way. I might print this out and share with my buddies. Choke acting like he's tougher than NFL football players might have taken the cake though. Holy hell that was hilarious. I can just see him reading this: "when in fact all 296 are probably way tougher than anyone on FBGs." He's all like, do they even REALIZE how freaking tough I am? There ain't no way I'm letting this guy call me a #####.

Thank you, please keep this up.

You must be new here. All FBGs lift. NFL players wouldn't stand a chance.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

What has Joey Porter done to get labeled a dirty player? Honest question. I know he's a loudmouth and he's irritating, but he never struck me as dirty. There was that Todd Heap / injury / shove play that some people got pretty upset with, but that's been what ...7 years now? anything else?

he doesn't take it out on others on the field ... he saves it for Casinos

hah. I had forgotten about that but again ... while that clearly speaks to some mental and anger issues, can anyone point to anything "dirty" he does as a player?

How many dirty plays are actually caught on camera? I'm thinking this vote is about what happens in pile-ons, maybe dirty trash talk, who knows really. Sitting in front of a TV can only let you in on so much.

sure, I get that... but nearly every one else on that list you can at least point to something....Ward laying out mofos year after year, Haynesworth cleat stomping that dude, Roy Williams wrecking knees and legs....etc. Just wondering if anyone has anything specific about Porter.

 

[treat88]

So who in here actually believes that helmet to helmet contact is illegal, except against players in very specific situations?If you have stated this or believe this you don't understand the rules of the sport.Those specific situations were expanded to include crackback blocks THIS season.However, outside of those specific situations, helmet to helmet contact is perfectly legal and happens all the time on almost every play.Those complaining that Hines put his helmet in the opponents facemask when he hit them may very well be correct, but they are absolutely incorrect that it was illegal prior to this season.Players get fined all the time for actions that don't draw flags on the field. A fine in no way correlates with legality.You may not like the plays in question, or how fiercely Ward plays, but he plays 100% within the rules of the game.

None of this is even relevant. What matters is that his peers label him a dirty player, at a higher rate than any other player in the game today.

Sure it's relevant.I'm not debating the poll results. Not even trying to discredit them.I'm educating the fans chiming in trying to label Ward a dirty player within this thread.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I drafted Ward ahead of his ADP just because he's one of those guys I just like. I love the way he plays. I wasn't expecting him to be top 5, but I'll take it. It's great to plug him in my lineup every week. The feel-good story of the year.

Call him dirty if you want. He's a winner.

 

[Steelfan7]

What has Joey Porter done to get labeled a dirty player? Honest question. I know he's a loudmouth and he's irritating, but he never struck me as dirty. There was that Todd Heap / injury / shove play that some people got pretty upset with, but that's been what ...7 years now? anything else?

he doesn't take it out on others on the field ... he saves it for Casinos

hah. I had forgotten about that but again ... while that clearly speaks to some mental and anger issues, can anyone point to anything "dirty" he does as a player?

How many dirty plays are actually caught on camera? I'm thinking this vote is about what happens in pile-ons, maybe dirty trash talk, who knows really. Sitting in front of a TV can only let you in on so much.

sure, I get that... but nearly every one else on that list you can at least point to something....Ward laying out mofos year after year, Haynesworth cleat stomping that dude, Roy Williams wrecking knees and legs....etc. Just wondering if anyone has anything specific about Porter.

It's all an unpopularity contest. Players don't like it when they get embarrassed on the field. Hines and Porter have made a career out of embarrassing other players with their physical style play. Porter is just one of the most feared players in the league. On and off the field.

 

[Postradamus]

What has Joey Porter done to get labeled a dirty player? Honest question. I know he's a loudmouth and he's irritating, but he never struck me as dirty. There was that Todd Heap / injury / shove play that some people got pretty upset with, but that's been what ...7 years now? anything else?

he doesn't take it out on others on the field ... he saves it for Casinos

hah. I had forgotten about that but again ... while that clearly speaks to some mental and anger issues, can anyone point to anything "dirty" he does as a player?

How many dirty plays are actually caught on camera? I'm thinking this vote is about what happens in pile-ons, maybe dirty trash talk, who knows really. Sitting in front of a TV can only let you in on so much.

sure, I get that... but nearly every one else on that list you can at least point to something....Ward laying out mofos year after year, Haynesworth cleat stomping that dude, Roy Williams wrecking knees and legs....etc. Just wondering if anyone has anything specific about Porter.

Yeah IDK really, maybe that off-field stuff is being accounted for.

 

[Sea Bass]

Chatter, rather than play, may have led to the the majority of Porter's votes.

 

[pollardsvision]

Here is the article you clipped parts from in full...

PITTSBURGH -- The NFL assured several of the Pittsburgh Steelers' top players during an unannounced closed-door meeting Wednesday that the league isn't trying to transform Hines Ward into Fines Ward.

NFL executive vice president Ray Anderson repeatedly emphasized during the meeting -- which included Ward, Troy Polamalu, Ben Roethlisberger, James Farrior and coach Mike Tomlin -- that the Steelers aren't being singled out for discipline.

"At the end of the day, I really got nothing out of that meeting. I don't know what they're really asking me to do," Ward told 96.1 FM's "Freak Show" radio hosts Thursday morning.

During a recent two-week stretch, four Steelers players were fined a total of $50,000 -- including $15,000 for Ward on two plays that weren't penalized by referees on the field. Anderson said the fines were to improve player safety and conduct, and no other reason.

"(The meeting) gave us a chance to get on the same page and, for lack of a better term, clear the air so this club could move on very confident that our interests are aligned with theirs and vice versa," Anderson said.

But Ward came away feeling much different, and he was clearly fired up when he called the 96.1 radio show Thursday morning.

"They said 40 percent of the fines that are given out are after a penalty is called," Ward said. "And if there's not a penalty, they review it, and then they start setting out fines after they review it.

"But that's kind of contradictory, because I had a 72-yard reception this year in Houston called back because they said that I had a pass interference call. Well, all they did was review it and say, 'Yes, the ref messed up, here's an apology, we're sorry.' They don't give me that 72-yard reception back.

"So when they look at the plays after the fact, they go back and review it, and they say, 'Oh yeah, this is a personal foul,' and then they hand out fines when there wasn't a flag. That ain't right."

Ward suggested that what's good for players should also be good for referees, and maybe the officials should be forced to pay after a poor performance.

"That was my whole argument, and they never really gave me an answer for that," Ward said. "How can you fine players because a ref may miss a call? You can't go back and then say, 'OK, yeah, I think that's a fine.' Well, give me an apology. Don't take $15,000 out my pocket, because you're not fining the referees for calls that they may miss in a game. All you do is give me an apology letter saying, 'This was an incorrect call, I'm sorry', and then move on.

"In my case, I was never flagged or penalized on the plays that I was given, but yet, they take $15,000 out my pocket. If it was an illegal hit, then the refs missed it. You can't go back and review the plays and then give out fines accordingly, based off what you say. The referees don't get a letter saying, 'You know what? You missed Hines' block, and then him and a guy got into a scuffle.'"

The meeting came about after Ward's fines caused Steelers chairman Dan Rooney and Tomlin to contact the league office for an explanation.

"There was really no clarification," Ward told 96.1 Thursday. "They stated what they wanted to state, and I stated what I wanted to state, but there was never a clear answer to, 'Is that right?,' or, 'Is that a double standard?'"

Polamalu, who hasn't been fined this year, has spoken out publicly against the numerous fines being levied, saying that the NFL is taking the physicality out of the game and coming close to turning it into "two-hand touch" and "flag football."

The Steelers' reaction prompted NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to send Anderson to Pittsburgh.

"Given the discussion last week and some of the comments that were made by the players with regard to the genuineness and sincerity of our player safety initiatives, we just felt it made sense to come here ... to engage directly with coach Tomlin and the players so we could talk things out and listen to them express their concerns about what we're doing," said Anderson.

Tomlin felt the meeting was productive, saying, "I think that's the start at laying this thing to bed and moving on and focusing on what we should focus on and that's playing football games."

Anderson stressed that an on-field penalty isn't required for a player to be fined.

"You've got seven officials at same-time speed, they're not going to catch everything," Anderson said. "We are particularly concerned about player safety violations and we will fine you even though you haven't been flagged."

Echoing Polamalu's comments, Ward says the physical nature of their inherently violent sport will be lost if the NFL makes his style of play illegal.

"If you do that, you're never going to see any good knockout hits at all," he told the Freak Show. "(It will be like), 'Look at me, let me hit you.'"

Previous Stories:

October 22, 2008: Baltimore Ravens Office Denies 'Bounty' On Hines Ward

October 20, 2008: Hines Ward Hit Breaks Bengals' Rookie's Jaw

October 17, 2008: War Of Words Between Polamalu, NFL Commissioner

October 16, 2008: Fines Hit Steelers With Confusion

October 14, 2008: Fines Continue For Steelers, Tomlin Talks

October 13, 2008: Hines Ward Fined Again

October 10, 2008: Steelers' Ward, Clark Fined For Hits

December 26, 2003: Ward Named Steelers MVP

October 31, 2002: Burress Fined; Ward Says He'll Help

December 27, 2001: Steelers' Ward Fined Again For Taunting

Accordingly they told him he got a "personal foul" for blocking too hard.

For such a tough guy, that's an awful lot of whining.Nothing wrong with being a cheap, dirty player, I guess, but at least take your medicine like a man.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I'm not debating the poll results. Not even trying to discredit them.I'm educating the fans chiming in trying to label Ward a dirty player within this thread.

The fans don't need to label Ward a dirty player; his peers have already done so. HTH.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I'm not debating the poll results. Not even trying to discredit them.I'm educating the fans chiming in trying to label Ward a dirty player within this thread.

The fans don't need to label Ward a dirty player; his peers have already done so. HTH.

Exactly. Thus why treat's post full of speculation (as to reasons Ward is considered dirty) is completely irrelevant.

 

[Steelfan7]

I'm not debating the poll results. Not even trying to discredit them.I'm educating the fans chiming in trying to label Ward a dirty player within this thread.

The fans don't need to label Ward a dirty player; his peers have already done so. HTH.

Exactly. Thus why treat's post full of speculation (as to reasons Ward is considered dirty) is completely irrelevant.

This whole thread is irrelevant.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I'm not debating the poll results. Not even trying to discredit them.I'm educating the fans chiming in trying to label Ward a dirty player within this thread.

The fans don't need to label Ward a dirty player; his peers have already done so. HTH.

Exactly. Thus why treat's post full of speculation (as to reasons Ward is considered dirty) is completely irrelevant.

This whole thread is irrelevant.

Agreed!! At a minimum, it should be in the FFA. It has no implications for fantasy fooball.

 

[treat88]

I'm not debating the poll results. Not even trying to discredit them.I'm educating the fans chiming in trying to label Ward a dirty player within this thread.

The fans don't need to label Ward a dirty player; his peers have already done so. HTH.

Fans and players can be equally misinformed regarding the rules of the game. HTH.Agreed regarding the relevancy of the thread. It's not.

 

[basher]

I like hard-nosed football. I wonder, though, if hitting someone who is unaware would be considered unsporting and therefore "dirty".

Would you consider a QB getting sacked from his blindside dirty?

Would you consider a QB Getting sacked sacked from his blindside the same as a WR away from the play spearing an unsuspecting def player?? Doesnt matter which WR we are talking about it is definately not the same.. horrible example, but expected from a homer. Yes Im a Browns homer but Im not anti Ward, just felt this post was

You were the one that said a player hits an unaware player is unsporting and dirty. Certainly a QB getting hit from his blindside is unaware so I was just asking if you considered that to be dirty. Watch this clip and tell me which hit of Ward's was away from the play. All of these defenders were aggressively going towards the play and were blocked by Ward. Now if you want to say he led with his helmet on some of these you might have an argument but the places and times when the blocks were made were 100% legit.

hopefully you watched the whole video ... The first hit was clean and close to the play ... the second hit was late (on Holly) and was after the play was pretty much over and clearly was excessive ... He clearly leads with his head on the ed reed hit and you say it is close to the play yet from a wide angle lens you can't see the ball carrier anywhere ... the nick ferguson hit was apart of the play but he doesn't even bother to use his hands in lieu of his head ... he actually uses his shoulder in the Rivers hit and that was apart of the play (probably the only truly clean hit of the bunch

 

[Godsbrother]

I don't care one way or the other whether fans or some opposing players consider him dirty. Actually I think it is a bit of a compliment that a WR hits so hard that people consider him dirty.

However I don't believe the two hits that are usually shown in regards to Ward are dirty. Both Rivers and Reed were blocked while they were en route to the ball carrier.

 

[SSOG]

If a 200 lb WR is the dirtiest player then the NFL has become a league of pansies.

Not buying this argument. Dirty is all about intent. A guy could be 5'4" and 120 lbs and still be the dirtiest player in the league if he stomped on players on the ground, spit on opponents, punched people in the nuts at the bottom of the pile, and attempted to intentionally break fingers or dislocate shoulders.

Dirty is not playing within the rules of your sport. What Ward does is legal. NFL is a big boys league, if players don't like to be hit then play baseball or basketball.

No, CHEATING is not playing within the rules of your sport. Dirty can be legal or illegal. For example, see Roy Williams' horse collar tackles. Were those only dirty after they became illegal? What of Warren Sapp's hit on Chad Clifton? Was it clean at the time, but dirty now because there's now a rule against it?Also, is a guy who false starts "dirty"? False starts are against the rules. Is an offensive lineman who holds when he gets beaten by a DE a "dirty" player? He's breaking the rules! Is a WR who sometimes throws out an arm bar downfield a "dirty" receiver? That's not playing within the rules of the sport! Claiming that dirty = breaking the rules is at once ludicrous, absurd, and ridiculous... it's ludisurdiculous!At the end of the day, NFL players know what dirty is, and who is dirty... and year after year the NFL players speak with one voice and call Hines Ward dirty. There have been plenty of great blockers who aren't called dirty, which suggests that there's something more to the dirty claims than "he's a good blocker"- just like there are plenty of big hitting safeties who aren't "dirty", so everyone who said Rodney Harrison was considered dirty because he was a big hitter was just burying his head in the sand.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

ESPN the Mag has a column written by an anonymous NFL player (my guess would be Steven Jackson) and he specifically mentions Hines Ward and his dirty tactics.

He also says someday Ward "is going to get knocked out".

 

[Godsbrother]

ESPN the Mag has a column written by an anonymous NFL player (my guess would be Steven Jackson) and he specifically mentions Hines Ward and his dirty tactics.

He also says someday Ward "is going to get knocked out".

The Ravens have been threatening this for years and have yet to deliver. It may happen some day but one ting is for sure: Ward has gotten into their heads...

 

[SSOG]

ESPN the Mag has a column written by an anonymous NFL player (my guess would be Steven Jackson) and he specifically mentions Hines Ward and his dirty tactics.

He also says someday Ward "is going to get knocked out".

The Ravens have been threatening this for years and have yet to deliver. It may happen some day but one ting is for sure: Ward has gotten into their heads...

This is true. I think Ward is dirty, but I don't care. I like watching him play, and I'd love to have him on my team. I get the sense that Ward welcomes all attempts to knock him out. It's like he's just daring defenders to do their worst. I don't think he's afraid of any ###-for-tat.Edit: Lol at ### getting word-filtered.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I drafted Ward ahead of his ADP just because he's one of those guys I just like. I love the way he plays. I wasn't expecting him to be top 5, but I'll take it. It's great to plug him in my lineup every week. The feel-good story of the year.

Call him dirty if you want. He's a winner.

Pretty sure that's exactly what many of his peers did.

 

[Steelfan7]

If a 200 lb WR is the dirtiest player then the NFL has become a league of pansies.

Not buying this argument. Dirty is all about intent. A guy could be 5'4" and 120 lbs and still be the dirtiest player in the league if he stomped on players on the ground, spit on opponents, punched people in the nuts at the bottom of the pile, and attempted to intentionally break fingers or dislocate shoulders.

Dirty is not playing within the rules of your sport. What Ward does is legal. NFL is a big boys league, if players don't like to be hit then play baseball or basketball.

No, CHEATING is not playing within the rules of your sport. Dirty can be legal or illegal. For example, see Roy Williams' horse collar tackles. Were those only dirty after they became illegal? What of Warren Sapp's hit on Chad Clifton? Was it clean at the time, but dirty now because there's now a rule against it?Also, is a guy who false starts "dirty"? False starts are against the rules. Is an offensive lineman who holds when he gets beaten by a DE a "dirty" player? He's breaking the rules! Is a WR who sometimes throws out an arm bar downfield a "dirty" receiver? That's not playing within the rules of the sport! Claiming that dirty = breaking the rules is at once ludicrous, absurd, and ridiculous... it's ludisurdiculous!At the end of the day, NFL players know what dirty is, and who is dirty... and year after year the NFL players speak with one voice and call Hines Ward dirty. There have been plenty of great blockers who aren't called dirty, which suggests that there's something more to the dirty claims than "he's a good blocker"- just like there are plenty of big hitting safeties who aren't "dirty", so everyone who said Rodney Harrison was considered dirty because he was a big hitter was just burying his head in the sand.

If there is no current rule against it at the time than it is not a dirty play if it is within the rules. Football is a physical game, if you can't handle it then don't play or watch it. I guarantee you that every poster that is complaining about Ward or any other player being dirty for blocking another player when they are not looking has never played or coached football at any level.

 

[caglassc]

I am not a Steelers fan but the times that I have seen Ward play I see an emotional, tough and intense player. He makes plays - enjoys the game as evidenced when I see him smiling after making plays - is frustrated when he doesn't perform well, etc. An enjoyable player - but I am in no position to judge if he is a dirty player or not. His peers think so - but what exactly was the criteria for this poll?

 

[SSOG]

If there is no current rule against it at the time than it is not a dirty play if it is within the rules. Football is a physical game, if you can't handle it then don't play or watch it. I guarantee you that every poster that is complaining about Ward or any other player being dirty for blocking another player when they are not looking has never played or coached football at any level.

What about the NFL players who complain about Ward being dirty for blocking another player when they are not looking? Have they never played or coached football at any level, either?

 

[Steelfan7]

If there is no current rule against it at the time than it is not a dirty play if it is within the rules. Football is a physical game, if you can't handle it then don't play or watch it. I guarantee you that every poster that is complaining about Ward or any other player being dirty for blocking another player when they are not looking has never played or coached football at any level.

What about the NFL players who complain about Ward being dirty for blocking another player when they are not looking? Have they never played or coached football at any level, either?

There is a specific term for those players S-O-F-T.

 

[Hov34]

You ever notice how Steelers can never do any wrong according to Steeler fans.

 

[SSOG]

You ever notice how Steelers can never do any wrong according to Steeler fans.

I don't know. There are a lot of intelligent, honest, and rational Steeler fans out there. They're just usually drowned out by the vocal majority.

 

[Zow]

Pretty certain he is getting this vote for what he does away from the play... you know, like the plays we can't see. Which is exactly why we should defer to the actual football players here.

If he is getting this vote ahead of a guy who literally stomped down and someone's head and will often take suck punchers, Ward must be extremely dirty away from the play.

 

[Ghost Rider]

You ever notice how Steelers can never do any wrong according to Steeler fans.

I don't know. There are a lot of intelligent, honest, and rational Steeler fans out there. They're just usually drowned out by the vocal majority.

Pretty certain he is getting this vote for what he does away from the play... you know, like the plays we can't see. Which is exactly why we should defer to the actual football players here.

 

[metoo]

ESPN the Mag has a column written by an anonymous NFL player (my guess would be Steven Jackson) and he specifically mentions Hines Ward and his dirty tactics.

He also says someday Ward "is going to get knocked out".

The Ravens have been threatening this for years and have yet to deliver. It may happen some day but one ting is for sure: Ward has gotten into their heads...

Just shows they are not dirty players.

 

[MSULions]

Hines Ward will always lead with his helmet. Rarely do I see the guy throw a shoulder to shoulder block.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF_RfNyAjrM...feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbLNFiQSTyE

this hit on reed is 100% dirty with intent to injure...i don't see how you can conclude anything else. and he leads with his helmet in to the facemask of dbs ALL the time....it's amazing he hasn't broken more jaws.

 

[MSULions]

I love seeing people in this thread: a) try to discredit the vote of a bunch of players who have WAY more inside info than anyone in this thread, b) pretend that 296 NFL players are "pansies", when in fact all 296 are probably way tougher than anyone on FBGs.

I looooove how a bunch of fantasy nerds think they know what goes on in a pile on the football field, behind the scenes, etc etc. nobody here knows a damned thing about what these guys are REALLY like on the field...no one knows what they say, what little things they may or may not do....so the ONLY people qualified to make this judgment are the players, and the players have spoken - repeatedly and consistently - that Ward is a cheap ### dirty MF. Case closed.

 

[MSULions]

http://nflfromthesidelines.blogspot.com/

See Lolley's 11/05 post for how SI conducted this poll.

According to a Steelers homer who also knows jack squat about what happens on the field

 

[Godsbrother]

ESPN the Mag has a column written by an anonymous NFL player (my guess would be Steven Jackson) and he specifically mentions Hines Ward and his dirty tactics.

He also says someday Ward "is going to get knocked out".

The Ravens have been threatening this for years and have yet to deliver. It may happen some day but one ting is for sure: Ward has gotten into their heads...

Just shows they are not dirty players.

Yes all of the Ravens are choir boys...

 

[ichris]

Hines is cool

 

[Godsbrother]

I love seeing people in this thread: a) try to discredit the vote of a bunch of players who have WAY more inside info than anyone in this thread, b) pretend that 296 NFL players are "pansies", when in fact all 296 are probably way tougher than anyone on FBGs.

I looooove how a bunch of fantasy nerds think they know what goes on in a pile on the football field, behind the scenes, etc etc. nobody here knows a damned thing about what these guys are REALLY like on the field...no one knows what they say, what little things they may or may not do....so the ONLY people qualified to make this judgment are the players, and the players have spoken - repeatedly and consistently - that Ward is a cheap ### dirty MF. Case closed.

For the most part you are correct: we can only go by what we see. I have seen Ward deliver some huge hits but he's taken some too and I don't consider that dirty. As for what goes on behind the scenes and in the pile we can only guess...

 

[SSOG]

Yes all of the Ravens are choir boys...

Exactly. A lot of people hosting stone-throwing competitions in glass houses here.Is Hines Ward dirty? Personally, I think there's too much smoke for there not to be a fire somewhere. Does it matter? Nah, he's still a hell of a football player. Am I going to pile on? Of course not, because I'm sure there are dirty players sprinkling the roster of every single team in the league, including my beloved Broncos. And you know what? I don't really care. Sportsmanship is a great lesson to teach your kids, but I don't need NFL players to serve as a role model for me, so I personally care more about wins and losses than puppies and kittens and rainbows and hugs and all of that other warm fuzzy stuff that some people seem to expect all NFL players to radiate. And Ward is definitely a winner.

 

[Class Dismissed]

So 33 players in the NFL called Hines Ward dirty.........Sounds about right.

He must of really lit their asses up, and bruised their massive egos.

Hell he had a bounty put on him by one entire smashmouth defense.

Considering that loud mouth, can't back it up, whiny, no talent ########, Bart Scott was on that defense, and now plays for another huffin and a puffin defense, I'm surprised he didn't get more of his new teammates to vote for the best blocking WR the game has ever seen.