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Is this true?........No Cris Carter???????
Bob Hayes! Finally.Good to see McDaniel makes it.
Possibly. He's the last sure thing for awhile, although Reed and :crossesfingers: Tasker may eventually make it. It's nice to see him make it before he dies :crossesfingers:
Maybe they think he was a product of the system.I have resigned myself to the fact that Terrell Davis won't ever get in, but it is disheartening to see him not even come close. I guess the voters think a player who dominated for a short time, and was one of the best postseasons runners ever, isn't worthy. :(And Shannon Sharpe didn't make it? WOW.
Very happy with this class. As Chase expressed so well about Thomas, he deserved the induction. Lawrence Taylor was a great player, but Thomas wasn't too far behind as a pass rusher. Ralph Wilson had a big role in decisions that helped the NFL make the leap to financial juggernaut and despite the fact the Bills couldn't win a SB in the 80s-90s, he showed patience with the team of people around him which allowed the organization to have so many chances. You would have to be a little off kilter to argue against Woodson and Smith. They were all-time greats. Hayes changed the game in many respects at the receiver position although his stats may not show it as much as his physical skills did. McDaniel was definitely a stud. Very deserving group...
carter yes, dawson yes. sharpe to me is an overrated WR that lined up and played TE. he didn't really play TE. he didn't stay home and block nearly enough, so if you compare his numbers to WR, i can't say he is a 1st ballot HOF. eventually yes. 1st time, no.and i'm so glad derrick thomas got in. well deserved.
I believe they're only allowed to put in 6 players a year. Which 3 do you leave out to get those 3 in?
IIRC, 5 regular ballot and one veteran.
Up to 5 non senior nominees and up to 2 senior nominees can be included in a single class. In this class, Hayes was a senior nominee, while the others were all non senior nominees.
Sharpe was a great blocker. And in his era, he was one of the only TE's who excelled consistently as a pass catcher (the other was Gonzo). He absolutely should have been first ballot.
As much as I hate this argument, I think there is some truth to it. I'm not saying TD wasn't great. But since so many Denver RB's have excelled in the last decade, many probably don't think he was as special as it once appeared.Maybe they think he was a product of the system.I have resigned myself to the fact that Terrell Davis won't ever get in, but it is disheartening to see him not even come close. I guess the voters think a player who dominated for a short time, and was one of the best postseasons runners ever, isn't worthy.
Here's a kooky little stat -- I gave all defensive players credit for every sack they had that exceeded half of their games played. So Reggie White received 15 for his 21 sacks in 12 games (21-6) and Michael Strahan got a 14.5 for his 22.5 sacks in 16 games (22.5-8). The table below shows the career totals for the top fifteen players according to this system.
84.5 Reggie White 69 Bruce Smith 59.5 Kevin Greene 50.5 Lawrence Taylor 48 Chris Doleman 47 Richard Dent 46 Michael Strahan 43 Derrick Thomas 43 Simeon Rice 42 Leslie O'Neal 37.5 John Randle 36.5 Dexter Manley 35.5 Mark Gastineau 34.5 Jason Taylor 32.5 Pat Swilling 32 Andre Tippett 31.5 Jacob GreenYou really come up with some strange stats.
Wasn't Carter #2 in a lot of the major categories for WR's when he retired? I can't say I've ever seen ANYONE with better hands that Cris. The dude practiced catching with one hand allll the time, and guess what former ball-boy-now stud WR is one of the best WR's in the game thanks to Cris. Cris should have been in last year.Koya said:
My guess is that Wilson turning 90 last year played a role.Just Win Baby said:
Wow, I think you're way off base on that.
LOL...clearly I was, since he's now in.I just think a handful of other defenders deserve to be in before he got consideration. But it's a moot point now, he's in and that's that.
Cris Carter was a dominant red zone threat. His use of the sidelines and end zone boundaries was likely the best in NFL history, even better than Jerry Rice. Carter had excellent hands, not just good. He's a HOF receiver for sure. Not that stats are everything, but 100 TDs is significant for a WR. Carter had 130. Just sayin.ETA: It looks like Carter will be 6th all-time in TDs after being passed by Tomlinson and Harrison. No one else current is close as of now.Koya said:
If you can say this, then you've never seen Cris Carter play. He is a clear number 2 amongst receivers behind Rice and that was with losing his first 3 seasons in Philly due to his coke habit and having a revolving door of QBs throwing him the ball. Can you name all the QBs that threw Carter the ball in Minnesota without looking it up? If you can, then you're a step ahead of me and I've been a Vikings fan all my life.Hands down the best hands ever by a WR. Yes, better than Jerry Rice. My little brother grew up a 49ers fan and we had to watch ever 9ers game we could in the 90s. Jerry was clearly the best WR in the game, but Carter had better hands.Koya said:
Say what now?Chase Stuart said:
Using Bruce as an example... I thought you meant 200 Sacks - (279 Games Played / 2) = 60.5Something doesn't add up, though.At any rate, isn't that just a really convoluted way of showing sacks per game?
This is correct... I think they should raise the limits by a couple, personally. It's getting to the point where there are some no-brainers that just have to wait due to the numbers.Just Win Baby said:
I'm using the formula for every season, not career. That's why it's not just sacks per game -- it rewards big seasons. Here's Bruce's season by season breakdown:Say what now?Chase Stuart said:Using Bruce as an example... I thought you meant 200 Sacks - (279 Games Played / 2) = 60.5Something doesn't add up, though.At any rate, isn't that just a really convoluted way of showing sacks per game?
Year G Sk Score1985 16 6.5 01986 16 15 71987 12 12 61988 12 11 51989 16 13 51990 16 19 111991 5 1.5 01992 15 14 6.51993 16 14 61994 15 10 2.51995 15 10.5 31996 16 13.5 5.51997 16 14 61998 15 10 2.51999 16 7 02000 16 10 22001 14 5 02002 16 9 12003 16 5 0 69Not the same panel of voters. Carter is up on a full ballot. Hayes was selected by the veterans committee.Hayes was a two time first team All Pro, ranked in the Top 10 in receiving yards 6 times, and had 7 really impressive seasons in a row in an era when night many receivers played for 15+ years. I don't have a problem with him making it in, but if I were to induct someone from that same era with similar or better numbers it would be Art Powell.Powell: 479-8046-81 in 117 GPHayes: 371-7414-71 in 132 GP
I just have an issue when all is brought up is "The Fastest Human" Bullet bob hayes......but not stats.Also, when he would tip off the GB Packers in the ice bowl by keeping his hands in his pants during non-pass plays. That doesn't scream HOF to me.
Why? Let's just say he completely changed defenses. You ever hear of a zone defense? Prior to him, you wouldn't have. Double teaming? yea, he forced defenses to do that to.
Powell's numbers o look better than Hayes but that doesn't make him a better WR. The majority of Powell's monster years came in the very early days of the AFL when the quality of the competition just wasn't that good. I don't know what the perfect weight is to place on those years, but it wasn't 1 to 1. Hayes should have been inducted awhile ago and he's a worthy inductee.
So Willie Gault should be in the HOF as well then? ...GAME
Gault changed no defenses....Any more than countless other speedy WRs....Come on.You obviously are too young or unwilling to do the research to see the clear difference between Hayes' contributions and Gault's.And/or you're a Bears' homer....So Willie Gault should be in the HOF as well then? ...GAME
Depends what you see. Hayes was a gamebreaker and deep threat that stretched the field. While Powell had a slight advantage in those stats listed, his YPR was significantly lower.
Oh....your so clever ID....always just commenting on what other people write even when they are facetious.Gault changed no defenses....Any more than countless other speedy WRs....Come on.You obviously are too young or unwilling to do the research to see the clear difference between Hayes' contributions and Gault's.And/or you're a Bears' homer....So Willie Gault should be in the HOF as well then? ...GAMEWhy? Let's just say he completely changed defenses. You ever hear of a zone defense? Prior to him, you wouldn't have. Double teaming? yea, he forced defenses to do that to.
And you're not.Oh....your so clever ID....always just commenting on what other people write even when they are facetious.Gault changed no defenses....Any more than countless other speedy WRs....So Willie Gault should be in the HOF as well then? ...GAME
Come on.
You obviously are too young or unwilling to do the research to see the clear difference between Hayes' contributions and Gault's.
And/or you're a Bears' homer....
Powell was a gamebreaker and deep threat, too. There's no doubt that his stats are better than Hayes' stats. That doesn't mean he was better.
Wow....lol...your so facts are winning this arguement left and right. So by your theory Terrell Davis should be in the HOF b/c of the changing running game to the zone blocking scheme and his huge success?And you're not.Oh....your so clever ID....always just commenting on what other people write even when they are facetious.Gault changed no defenses....Any more than countless other speedy WRs....So Willie Gault should be in the HOF as well then? ...GAME
Come on.
You obviously are too young or unwilling to do the research to see the clear difference between Hayes' contributions and Gault's.
And/or you're a Bears' homer....
If that were true, then I would certainly consider it. Zone blocking schemes were around long before Davis. It also doesn't help that other less talented backs were able to step into that system and produce well. It's obvious you don't know what you're talking about. It's cool. We were all young once.Wow....lol...your so facts are winning this arguement left and right. So by your theory Terrell Davis should be in the HOF b/c of the changing running game to the zone blocking scheme and his huge success?And you're not.Oh....your so clever ID....always just commenting on what other people write even when they are facetious.Gault changed no defenses....Any more than countless other speedy WRs....So Willie Gault should be in the HOF as well then? ...GAMEWhy? Let's just say he completely changed defenses. You ever hear of a zone defense? Prior to him, you wouldn't have. Double teaming? yea, he forced defenses to do that to.
Come on.
You obviously are too young or unwilling to do the research to see the clear difference between Hayes' contributions and Gault's.
And/or you're a Bears' homer....
You could say that about any player??Maybe they think he was a product of the system.I have resigned myself to the fact that Terrell Davis won't ever get in, but it is disheartening to see him not even come close. I guess the voters think a player who dominated for a short time, and was one of the best postseasons runners ever, isn't worthy.And Shannon Sharpe didn't make it? WOW.
When was the last back to go over 2k in Denver since it was the system? that happens every year. 
And Denver has been tearing up the postseason since TD was hurt. 
