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http://www.profootballhof.com/enshrinement...2011-finalists/

Five first-year eligible players – Jerome Bettis, Marshall Faulk, Curtis Martin, Deion Sanders, and Willie Roaf – are among the 15 modern-era finalists who will be considered for election to the Pro Football Hall of Fame when the Hall’s Selection Committee meets in North Texas on Saturday, Feb. 5, 2011.

Joining the five first-year eligible players, are nine other modern-era players and a contributor. The 15 modern-era finalists, along with the two senior nominees announced in August 2010 (former Washington Redskins linebacker Chris Hanburger and former Los Angeles Rams linebacker Les Richter) will be the only candidates considered for Hall of Fame election when the 44-member Selection Committee meets. To be elected, a finalist must receive a minimum positive vote of 80 percent.

Also, for the second consecutive year, the Pro Football Hall of Fame has teamed up with Van Heusen and JCPenney to ask fans to voice their choice for whom they think should be included in the Pro Football Hall of Fame’s Class of 2011 at www.fanschoice.com.

The Pro Football Hall of Fame Selection Committee’s 17 finalists (15 modern-era and two senior nominees*) with their positions, teams, and years active follow:

Jerome Bettis– Running Back – 1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers

Tim Brown – Wide Receiver/Kick Returner – 1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Cris Carter – Wide Receiver – 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins

Dermontti Dawson– Center – 1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers

Richard Dent – Defensive End – 1983-1993, 1995 Chicago Bears, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1996 Indianapolis Colts, 1997 Philadelphia Eagles

Chris Doleman– Defensive End/Linebacker – 1985-1993, 1999 Minnesota Vikings, 1994-95 Atlanta Falcons, 1996-98 San Francisco 49ers

Marshall Faulk – Running Back – 1994-98 Indianapolis Colts, 1999-2005 St. Louis Rams

Charles Haley – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys

*Chris Hanburger– Linebacker – 1965-1978 Washington Redskins

Cortez Kennedy– Defensive Tackle – 1990-2000 Seattle Seahawks

Curtis Martin – Running Back – 1995-97 New England Patriots, 1998-2005 New York Jets

Andre Reed – Wide Receiver – 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins

*Les Richter – Linebacker – 1954-1962 Los Angeles Rams

Willie Roaf– Tackle – 1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs

Ed Sabol– Founder/President/Chairman – 1964-1995 NFL Films

Deion Sanders – Cornerback/Kick Returner/Punt Returner – 1989-1993 Atlanta Falcons, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1995-99 Dallas Cowboys, 2000 Washington Redskins, 2004-05 Baltimore Ravens

Shannon Sharpe – Tight End – 1990-99, 2002-03 Denver Broncos, 2000-01 Baltimore Ravens

Brown, Carter, Dawson, Dent, Haley, Kennedy, Reed, and Sharpe have all been finalists in previous years. Although they were eligible in previous years, this is the first time Doleman, Hanburger, Richter, and Sabol have been finalists.

From this year’s list, four players – Dawson, Hanburger, Kennedy, and Richter – spent their entire NFL career with just one team.

Hanburger and Richter were selected as senior candidates by the Hall of Fame’s Seniors Committee at their August 2010 meeting. The Seniors Committee reviews the qualifications of those players whose careers took place more than 25 years ago. The remaining 15 modern-era finalists were determined by a vote of the Hall’s 44-member Selection Committee from a list of 114 preliminary nominees that earlier was reduced to a list of 26 semifinalists.

To be eligible for election, modern-era players and coaches must be retired at least five years. Contributors need not be retired.

Dent has been eligible for election for nine years, Doleman and Haley seven years. Dawson, Kennedy, and Reed have each been eligible for election for six years, Carter four years, Sharpe three years and Brown two years. Bettis, Faulk, Martin, Roaf, and Sanders are in their first year of eligibility. Since the retirement minimum for a player prior to 1968 was three years, senior nominee Richter has been eligible for 46 years. Hanburger has been eligible for 28 years.

Selection meeting, Class announcement at Super Bowl XLV in North Texas

The Selection Committee will meet in North Texas, on Saturday, February 5, 2011, to elect the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2011. The election results will be announced at 7 p.m. ET (6 p.m. CT) during a one-hour NFL Network special, live from the Super Bowl Media Center.

At the 2011 selection meeting, the selectors will thoroughly discuss the careers of each finalist. Although there is no set number for any class of enshrinees, the Pro Football Hall of Fame’s current ground rules stipulate that between four and seven new members will be selected each year. No more than five modern-era nominees can be elected in a given year and a class of six or seven can only be achieved if one or both senior nominees are elected. Representatives of the accounting firm Deloitte & Touche will tabulate all votes during the meeting.

At the announcement, Pro Football Hall of Fame President/Executive Director Steve Perry will be presented with an envelope containing the names of the nominees elected. Each newly elected member will be contacted immediately by the Hall of Fame. Members of the Class of 2011 in North Texas for the Super Bowl will be asked to join the live announcement show. Those not able to attend will be asked to join via teleconference.

Ticket info for 2011 Enshrinement Festival

The Pro Football Hall of Fame Enshrinement Festival, a multi-day celebration of the enshrinement of the newest Hall of Fame Class, is held each year in Canton. The festival which culminates with the Enshrinement Ceremony and NFL Hall of Fame Game includes 18 special events over a 11-day period.| 2011 schedule>>>

Fan Packages for the 2011 Enshrinement Festival are on sale now. Individual Enshrinement tickets will go on sale to the public on Tuesday, Feb. 1, 2011 at 11 a.m. ET. More ticket information for the Enshrinement Ceremony, NFL Hall of Fame Game and the Pro Football Hall of Fame Enshrinement Festival events can be found here>>>

 
we discussed this some previously. I was trying to link to that thread but we often use HOF for hall of fame and HOF is a tough term to search for here. If someone else knows the link and could post it, that'd be great.

 
I think Deion Sanders and Marshall Faulk are no-brainers. I think Shannon Sharpe and Cris Carter should get in too. Andre Reed or Dermonti Dawson would be the 5th player.

 
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Curtis Martin idolized Walter Payton and did everything he could to be a great man too. There are so many good reasons to vote in a guy like Martin. I feel like I've heard 10k young RBs say they idolized Sweetness and precious few would even hold a candle to the legend. Curtis is one of those precious few. We have had a slew of discussions over the years as to whether kids should idolize these guys and all those usually end with a big "NO." The more I think about great men in sports, it's always someone from another era.

It would be so nice to see Curtis voted in and then be on 10k different talk shows all humble and reserved giving credit to everyone else.

Warrick Dunn was an exceptional person too and there's been others as well, but here we have a chance to talk-up a guy that isn't a loud mouth arrogant look-at-me type.

 
We've discussed Andre Reed before and I know his numbers don't stack up, but the perception when he was playing was most certainly that he was one of the best.

Dermontti Dawson was possibly the best C ever. Sharpe same thing re TE.

Tim Brown was always a star from day 1 and always handled it well. His WR numbers are impressive. His KR, PR ability should push him over the top of other WRs.

Deion's arrogance bugs me and makes me wish he wouldn't go in on the first try.

 
The fact that Dermontti Dawson is still waiting to be inducted is ridiculous. Anyone who has watched him play would agree. Just a dominant player. Ridiculously athletic (to pull as a center in the NFL os just ridiculous), he was great in the run and pass game.

Of the new players, Sanders and Faulk should be first ballot guys. I also like Roaf, but the voters are not very good at recognizing line talent (see Dawson as an example).

 
Curtis Martin idolized Walter Payton and did everything he could to be a great man too. There are so many good reasons to vote in a guy like Martin. I feel like I've heard 10k young RBs say they idolized Sweetness and precious few would even hold a candle to the legend. Curtis is one of those precious few. We have had a slew of discussions over the years as to whether kids should idolize these guys and all those usually end with a big "NO." The more I think about great men in sports, it's always someone from another era. It would be so nice to see Curtis voted in and then be on 10k different talk shows all humble and reserved giving credit to everyone else. Warrick Dunn was an exceptional person too and there's been others as well, but here we have a chance to talk-up a guy that isn't a loud mouth arrogant look-at-me type.
Great guy and a very good RB for a long time, but to me he's just not a HOFer.
 
I think Bettis and Martin will both get in eventually, but not this time.

Sanders and Faulk are the only two automatics here. The rest will depend on the random vagaries of the voters, but I would guess that Sharpe, and one of Reed/Carter/T.Brown will make it this time.

 
Primetime and Faulk should be in for sure.

I also like Shannon Sharpe and I hope that Andre Reed gets in. I never liked him when he played but I respected him and his talent. To be able to be that successful with the no-huddle offence should not go unnoticed.

Dawson and Roaf should be in there too if I had a vote.

 
Curtis Martin idolized Walter Payton and did everything he could to be a great man too. There are so many good reasons to vote in a guy like Martin. I feel like I've heard 10k young RBs say they idolized Sweetness and precious few would even hold a candle to the legend. Curtis is one of those precious few. We have had a slew of discussions over the years as to whether kids should idolize these guys and all those usually end with a big "NO." The more I think about great men in sports, it's always someone from another era. It would be so nice to see Curtis voted in and then be on 10k different talk shows all humble and reserved giving credit to everyone else. Warrick Dunn was an exceptional person too and there's been others as well, but here we have a chance to talk-up a guy that isn't a loud mouth arrogant look-at-me type.
Probably for a few reasons. He is a defensive player and it seems like there are always more offensive skill position players eligible and so the defensive players who truly stand out have an edge. And Sanders does stand out, partly because of his brash, arrogant personality and style. Personally, I am not convinced he was ever a great CB but he was sort of the original big mouth braggart "look at me" type of player. If you like guys like TO and Ocho and Marshall, well, Deion was the original.
 
Question: how do you decide between Doleman or Dent? I remember them both as great defensive lineman but not sure one was better than the other.

 
Curtis Martin idolized Walter Payton and did everything he could to be a great man too. There are so many good reasons to vote in a guy like Martin. I feel like I've heard 10k young RBs say they idolized Sweetness and precious few would even hold a candle to the legend. Curtis is one of those precious few. We have had a slew of discussions over the years as to whether kids should idolize these guys and all those usually end with a big "NO." The more I think about great men in sports, it's always someone from another era. It would be so nice to see Curtis voted in and then be on 10k different talk shows all humble and reserved giving credit to everyone else. Warrick Dunn was an exceptional person too and there's been others as well, but here we have a chance to talk-up a guy that isn't a loud mouth arrogant look-at-me type.
Great guy and a very good RB for a long time, but to me he's just not a HOFer.
Martin had 10 years in a row with more than 1,000 yards rushing and is 4th all time in rushing.
 
Curtis Martin idolized Walter Payton and did everything he could to be a great man too. There are so many good reasons to vote in a guy like Martin. I feel like I've heard 10k young RBs say they idolized Sweetness and precious few would even hold a candle to the legend. Curtis is one of those precious few. We have had a slew of discussions over the years as to whether kids should idolize these guys and all those usually end with a big "NO." The more I think about great men in sports, it's always someone from another era. It would be so nice to see Curtis voted in and then be on 10k different talk shows all humble and reserved giving credit to everyone else. Warrick Dunn was an exceptional person too and there's been others as well, but here we have a chance to talk-up a guy that isn't a loud mouth arrogant look-at-me type.
Great guy and a very good RB for a long time, but to me he's just not a HOFer.
Martin had 10 years in a row with more than 1,000 yards rushing and is 4th all time in rushing.
At no point was he ever considered the best at his position. I don't recall him ever being considered in the top tier of his position. He was good and good for a long time. But he wasn't excellent and HOF material, IMO.
 
At no point was he ever considered the best at his position. I don't recall him ever being considered in the top tier of his position. He was good and good for a long time. But he wasn't excellent and HOF material, IMO.
He finished in the top 3 in rushing yardage 4 times, including #1 once. That's better than Tony Dorsett, Franco Harris, or John Riggins. Tony Dorsett is the closest comparable, and Martin had a better career by most measures, except he never won a Super Bowl.
 
Curtis Martin idolized Walter Payton and did everything he could to be a great man too. There are so many good reasons to vote in a guy like Martin. I feel like I've heard 10k young RBs say they idolized Sweetness and precious few would even hold a candle to the legend. Curtis is one of those precious few. We have had a slew of discussions over the years as to whether kids should idolize these guys and all those usually end with a big "NO." The more I think about great men in sports, it's always someone from another era. It would be so nice to see Curtis voted in and then be on 10k different talk shows all humble and reserved giving credit to everyone else. Warrick Dunn was an exceptional person too and there's been others as well, but here we have a chance to talk-up a guy that isn't a loud mouth arrogant look-at-me type.
Great guy and a very good RB for a long time, but to me he's just not a HOFer.
Martin had 10 years in a row with more than 1,000 yards rushing and is 4th all time in rushing.
At no point was he ever considered the best at his position. I don't recall him ever being considered in the top tier of his position. He was good and good for a long time. But he wasn't excellent and HOF material, IMO.
I agree. To me, he and Jerome Bettis were very good but not true greats. They were compilers. They managed to stay healthy and have terrific careers Martin was never in the debate as to the best RB during his run.
 
At no point was he ever considered the best at his position. I don't recall him ever being considered in the top tier of his position. He was good and good for a long time. But he wasn't excellent and HOF material, IMO.
He finished in the top 3 in rushing yardage 4 times, including #1 once. That's better than Tony Dorsett, Franco Harris, or John Riggins. Tony Dorsett is the closest comparable, and Martin had a better career by most measures, except he never won a Super Bowl.
Rushing yards is only one factor in being one of the best at his position. Thomas Jones was 3rd in rushing yards in 2009 and had more than MJD, Adrian Peterson, Rice, Gore, and many other better backs, for example.
 
Assuming that the two seniors are shoo-ins:

Locks:

1) Faulk

2) Deion

Near-Lock:

3) Roaf

Most deserving

4) Sharpe

5) Dawson

I could see one of the WRs or DEs getting in over Dawson, but I don't think there's any consensus as to which one is most deserving.

Sabol should make it eventually, but there are too many deserving players ahead of him.

 
At no point was he ever considered the best at his position. I don't recall him ever being considered in the top tier of his position. He was good and good for a long time. But he wasn't excellent and HOF material, IMO.
He finished in the top 3 in rushing yardage 4 times, including #1 once. That's better than Tony Dorsett, Franco Harris, or John Riggins. Tony Dorsett is the closest comparable, and Martin had a better career by most measures, except he never won a Super Bowl.
Rushing yards is only one factor in being one of the best at his position. Thomas Jones was 3rd in rushing yards in 2009 and had more than MJD, Adrian Peterson, Rice, Gore, and many other better backs, for example.
That's one year. Martin did it four times, and was top 10 three other times. He also was top 4 in TDs three times and top 10 three other times. He was also a good receiving back. What other measures are you using?
 
At no point was he ever considered the best at his position. I don't recall him ever being considered in the top tier of his position. He was good and good for a long time. But he wasn't excellent and HOF material, IMO.
He finished in the top 3 in rushing yardage 4 times, including #1 once. That's better than Tony Dorsett, Franco Harris, or John Riggins. Tony Dorsett is the closest comparable, and Martin had a better career by most measures, except he never won a Super Bowl.
what he said
 
I agree that Martin was a good player and good for many years, but imo, he should not be in the Hall.

Actually, I think there are too many players in already.

Sanders and Faulk should obviously get in. The rest? Meh.

The Hall of Fame should not continue it's move towards becoming the Hall of Very Good.

 
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He shouldn't make it in either.

Too many VERY GOOD players in already.

Only GREAT players should be in Canton.

 
http://www.profootballhof.com/enshrinement...2011-finalists/

Five first-year eligible players – Jerome Bettis, Marshall Faulk, Curtis Martin, Deion Sanders, and Willie Roaf – are among the 15 modern-era finalists who will be considered for election to the Pro Football Hall of Fame when the Hall's Selection Committee meets in North Texas on Saturday, Feb. 5, 2011.

Joining the five first-year eligible players, are nine other modern-era players and a contributor. The 15 modern-era finalists, along with the two senior nominees announced in August 2010 (former Washington Redskins linebacker Chris Hanburger and former Los Angeles Rams linebacker Les Richter) will be the only candidates considered for Hall of Fame election when the 44-member Selection Committee meets. To be elected, a finalist must receive a minimum positive vote of 80 percent.

Also, for the second consecutive year, the Pro Football Hall of Fame has teamed up with Van Heusen and JCPenney to ask fans to voice their choice for whom they think should be included in the Pro Football Hall of Fame's Class of 2011 at www.fanschoice.com.

The Pro Football Hall of Fame Selection Committee's 17 finalists (15 modern-era and two senior nominees*) with their positions, teams, and years active follow:

Jerome Bettis– Running Back – 1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers

Tim Brown – Wide Receiver/Kick Returner – 1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Cris Carter – Wide Receiver – 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins

Dermontti Dawson– Center – 1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers

Richard Dent – Defensive End – 1983-1993, 1995 Chicago Bears, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1996 Indianapolis Colts, 1997 Philadelphia Eagles

Chris Doleman– Defensive End/Linebacker – 1985-1993, 1999 Minnesota Vikings, 1994-95 Atlanta Falcons, 1996-98 San Francisco 49ers

Marshall Faulk – Running Back – 1994-98 Indianapolis Colts, 1999-2005 St. Louis Rams

Charles Haley – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys

*Chris Hanburger– Linebacker – 1965-1978 Washington Redskins

Cortez Kennedy– Defensive Tackle – 1990-2000 Seattle Seahawks

Curtis Martin – Running Back – 1995-97 New England Patriots, 1998-2005 New York Jets

Andre Reed – Wide Receiver – 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins

*Les Richter – Linebacker – 1954-1962 Los Angeles Rams

Willie Roaf– Tackle – 1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs

Ed Sabol– Founder/President/Chairman – 1964-1995 NFL Films

Deion Sanders – Cornerback/Kick Returner/Punt Returner – 1989-1993 Atlanta Falcons, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1995-99 Dallas Cowboys, 2000 Washington Redskins, 2004-05 Baltimore Ravens

Shannon Sharpe – Tight End – 1990-99, 2002-03 Denver Broncos, 2000-01 Baltimore Ravens

Brown, Carter, Dawson, Dent, Haley, Kennedy, Reed, and Sharpe have all been finalists in previous years. Although they were eligible in previous years, this is the first time Doleman, Hanburger, Richter, and Sabol have been finalists.

From this year's list, four players – Dawson, Hanburger, Kennedy, and Richter – spent their entire NFL career with just one team.

Hanburger and Richter were selected as senior candidates by the Hall of Fame's Seniors Committee at their August 2010 meeting. The Seniors Committee reviews the qualifications of those players whose careers took place more than 25 years ago. The remaining 15 modern-era finalists were determined by a vote of the Hall's 44-member Selection Committee from a list of 114 preliminary nominees that earlier was reduced to a list of 26 semifinalists.

To be eligible for election, modern-era players and coaches must be retired at least five years. Contributors need not be retired.

Dent has been eligible for election for nine years, Doleman and Haley seven years. Dawson, Kennedy, and Reed have each been eligible for election for six years, Carter four years, Sharpe three years and Brown two years. Bettis, Faulk, Martin, Roaf, and Sanders are in their first year of eligibility. Since the retirement minimum for a player prior to 1968 was three years, senior nominee Richter has been eligible for 46 years. Hanburger has been eligible for 28 years.

Selection meeting, Class announcement at Super Bowl XLV in North Texas

The Selection Committee will meet in North Texas, on Saturday, February 5, 2011, to elect the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2011. The election results will be announced at 7 p.m. ET (6 p.m. CT) during a one-hour NFL Network special, live from the Super Bowl Media Center.

At the 2011 selection meeting, the selectors will thoroughly discuss the careers of each finalist. Although there is no set number for any class of enshrinees, the Pro Football Hall of Fame's current ground rules stipulate that between four and seven new members will be selected each year. No more than five modern-era nominees can be elected in a given year and a class of six or seven can only be achieved if one or both senior nominees are elected. Representatives of the accounting firm Deloitte & Touche will tabulate all votes during the meeting.

At the announcement, Pro Football Hall of Fame President/Executive Director Steve Perry will be presented with an envelope containing the names of the nominees elected. Each newly elected member will be contacted immediately by the Hall of Fame. Members of the Class of 2011 in North Texas for the Super Bowl will be asked to join the live announcement show. Those not able to attend will be asked to join via teleconference.

Ticket info for 2011 Enshrinement Festival

The Pro Football Hall of Fame Enshrinement Festival, a multi-day celebration of the enshrinement of the newest Hall of Fame Class, is held each year in Canton. The festival which culminates with the Enshrinement Ceremony and NFL Hall of Fame Game includes 18 special events over a 11-day period.| 2011 schedule>>>

Fan Packages for the 2011 Enshrinement Festival are on sale now. Individual Enshrinement tickets will go on sale to the public on Tuesday, Feb. 1, 2011 at 11 a.m. ET. More ticket information for the Enshrinement Ceremony, NFL Hall of Fame Game and the Pro Football Hall of Fame Enshrinement Festival events can be found here>>>
 
There are gonna be a ton of stat-compiler type WRs coming out in the next decade. Carter better get in now or he'll be fighting split votes for decades.

 
Can someone explain to me why Faulk is so much better than Martin and Bettis that Faulk is a lock and the other two aren't. I would only rate Faulk slightly ahead.

 
Can someone explain to me why Faulk is so much better than Martin and Bettis...
I could spend 30 mins looking up a bunch of numbers, but I'll just go with... Years of watching the three of them play.
 
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Can someone explain to me why Faulk is so much better than Martin and Bettis that Faulk is a lock and the other two aren't. I would only rate Faulk slightly ahead.
Faulk 19154 YFS and 136 TD in 176 games + 1121 YFS and 8 TD in 12 post season gamesMartin 17430 YFS and 100 TD in 168 games + 1100 YFS and 8 TD in 10 post season gamesBettis 15111 YFS and 94 TD in 192 games + 731 YFS and 9 TD in 14 post season gamesMartin seems to be closer to Faulk than Bettis . . .
 
Rotoworld refers to Sanders as a lock. I hadn't really thought of him in that way. Is he really a lock?
I find it hard to believe anyone would ask this. He is an absolute nobrainer lock. IMO he ranks higher all time at his position than any other finalist.
 
CalBear said:
Ramblin Wreck said:
At no point was he ever considered the best at his position. I don't recall him ever being considered in the top tier of his position. He was good and good for a long time. But he wasn't excellent and HOF material, IMO.
He finished in the top 3 in rushing yardage 4 times, including #1 once. That's better than Tony Dorsett, Franco Harris, or John Riggins. Tony Dorsett is the closest comparable, and Martin had a better career by most measures, except he never won a Super Bowl.
Also, Martin was 1st team All Pro in 2004, which shows that at least one time he was recognized as being in the top tier of his position... and justifiably so, since he led the league in rushing yards with 1697 that season. He also made the Pro Bowl 5 times.
 
todisco1 said:
Ramblin Wreck said:
Not Sure said:
todisco1 said:
Curtis Martin idolized Walter Payton and did everything he could to be a great man too. There are so many good reasons to vote in a guy like Martin. I feel like I've heard 10k young RBs say they idolized Sweetness and precious few would even hold a candle to the legend. Curtis is one of those precious few. We have had a slew of discussions over the years as to whether kids should idolize these guys and all those usually end with a big "NO." The more I think about great men in sports, it's always someone from another era. It would be so nice to see Curtis voted in and then be on 10k different talk shows all humble and reserved giving credit to everyone else. Warrick Dunn was an exceptional person too and there's been others as well, but here we have a chance to talk-up a guy that isn't a loud mouth arrogant look-at-me type.
Great guy and a very good RB for a long time, but to me he's just not a HOFer.
Martin had 10 years in a row with more than 1,000 yards rushing and is 4th all time in rushing.
At no point was he ever considered the best at his position. I don't recall him ever being considered in the top tier of his position. He was good and good for a long time. But he wasn't excellent and HOF material, IMO.
I agree. To me, he and Jerome Bettis were very good but not true greats. They were compilers. They managed to stay healthy and have terrific careers Martin was never in the debate as to the best RB during his run.
Bettis was 1st team All Pro twice, so he was more than just a compiler, he also had at least two very strong peak seasons.
 
Can someone explain to me why Faulk is so much better than Martin and Bettis that Faulk is a lock and the other two aren't. I would only rate Faulk slightly ahead.
1994 NFL AP Offensive Rookie of the Year 1999 NFL AP Offensive Player of the Year 2000 NFL AP MVP 2000 NFL PFWA MVP 2000 NFL Newspaper Ent. Assoc. MVP 2000 NFL AP Offensive Player of the Year 2001 NFL PFWA MVP 2001 NFL Bert Bell Award (Player of the Year) 2001 NFL AP Offensive Player of the Year 1st team All Pro in 1999, 2000, 20012nd team All Pro in 1994, 1995, 19987 Pro BowlsBasically, he was elite for 8 years. That is very rare and ranks Faulk among the all-time greats.
 
Can someone explain to me why Faulk is so much better than Martin and Bettis that Faulk is a lock and the other two aren't. I would only rate Faulk slightly ahead.
1994 NFL AP Offensive Rookie of the Year 1999 NFL AP Offensive Player of the Year 2000 NFL AP MVP 2000 NFL PFWA MVP 2000 NFL Newspaper Ent. Assoc. MVP 2000 NFL AP Offensive Player of the Year 2001 NFL PFWA MVP 2001 NFL Bert Bell Award (Player of the Year) 2001 NFL AP Offensive Player of the Year 1st team All Pro in 1999, 2000, 20012nd team All Pro in 1994, 1995, 19987 Pro BowlsBasically, he was elite for 8 years. That is very rare and ranks Faulk among the all-time greats.
:rolleyes:
 
.... And Sanders does stand out, partly because of his brash, arrogant personality and style. Personally, I am not convinced he was ever a great CB but he was sort of the original big mouth braggart "look at me" type of player. If you like guys like TO and Ocho and Marshall, well, Deion was the original.
:tinfoilhat:
 
Can someone explain to me why Faulk is so much better than Martin and Bettis that Faulk is a lock and the other two aren't. I would only rate Faulk slightly ahead.
1994 NFL AP Offensive Rookie of the Year 1999 NFL AP Offensive Player of the Year 2000 NFL AP MVP, NFL PFWA MVP, NFL Newspaper Ent. Assoc. MVP, NFL AP Offensive Player of the Year 2001 NFL PFWA MVP, NFL Bert Bell Award (Player of the Year), NFL AP Offensive Player of the Year, 1st team All Pro in 1999, 2000, 20012nd team All Pro in 1994, 1995, 19987 Pro BowlsBasically, he was elite for 8 years. That is very rare and ranks Faulk among the all-time greats.
Feel compelled to redo the list above all those 2000 and 2001 looked like many years to me. He was awesome in 00 and 01 and many voters thought so I just....I don't know it looked weird.Martin played one less year than Faulk and surpassed Faulk in career rushing yards while they were both active. I think that's pretty notable and shows he was a better runner.Faulk was a better receiver and everyone seems to know that. I don't think Martin passing Faulk(what I wrote above) is common knowledge.
 
Not Sure said:
Martin had 10 years in a row with more than 1,000 yards rushing and is 4th all time in rushing.
and that was a record. IIRC it was Barry and Eddie George he was surpassing.On this FF board, you people have gotta appreciate a guy being a lock for a k every year for ten years and also know how rare that kind of reliably predictable success is.
 
todisco1 said:
They were compilers.
(snipped)Martin wasn't a compiler at all. Durable. Reliable.He missed four games over ten years and then he missed four in his final year and time seemed to be taking it's toll.At the age of 32, he had his first season with under 1000 yards and then retired. When people use the term "compiler" as a negative they probably point to guys like Martin as a favorable example.
 
Martin played one less year than Faulk and surpassed Faulk in career rushing yards while they were both active. I think that's pretty notable and shows he was a better runner.
How many more carries did Martin have in that span you speak of?How many more ypc did Faulk average?I'd be willing to bet, a closer look at the numbers doesn't support your position.
 
Martin played one less year than Faulk and surpassed Faulk in career rushing yards while they were both active. I think that's pretty notable and shows he was a better runner.
How many more carries did Martin have in that span you speak of?How many more ypc did Faulk average?

I'd be willing to bet, a closer look at the numbers doesn't support your position.
I don't understand this.I said he had more rushing yards and you are saying the YPC and carry total might dispute that? They are 3 different stats.

Head over to PFR, http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MartCu00.htm and http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FaulMa00.htm I'm not making it up

 

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