Holcomb traded to Vikes (1 Viewer)

[jeter23]

NFL Network's Adam Shefter reports that the Vikings have acquired Kelly Holcomb for a sixth-round pick in 2008.

Brooks Bollinger's poor effort in Minnesota's third preseason game didn't help. While Bollinger may remain on the roster, Holcomb has more experience and knows Brad Childress' system. He's no threat to Tarvaris Jackson, but should be the backup eventually.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Oh, wait...

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I bet he starts by week 4.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I bet he starts by week 4.

Not unless Tarvaris is literally killed.

 

[zamboni]

This guy has gotten around over the years. He must have some good mentoring skills, as it surely can't be his on-field abilities.

 

[TeamDingo]

I bet he starts by week 4.

I'll take some of that

 

[thehornet]

NFL Network's Adam Shefter reports that the Vikings have acquired Kelly Holcomb for a sixth-round pick in 2008.

Brooks Bollinger's poor effort in Minnesota's third preseason game didn't help. While Bollinger may remain on the roster, Holcomb has more experience and knows Brad Childress' system. He's no threat to Tarvaris Jackson, but should be the backup eventually.

Based on what?

 

[jeter23]

NFL Network's Adam Shefter reports that the Vikings have acquired Kelly Holcomb for a sixth-round pick in 2008.

Brooks Bollinger's poor effort in Minnesota's third preseason game didn't help. While Bollinger may remain on the roster, Holcomb has more experience and knows Brad Childress' system. He's no threat to Tarvaris Jackson, but should be the backup eventually.

Based on what?

That is the opinion from "another site."

 

[Andy Dufresne]

NFL Network's Adam Shefter reports that the Vikings have acquired Kelly Holcomb for a sixth-round pick in 2008.

Brooks Bollinger's poor effort in Minnesota's third preseason game didn't help. While Bollinger may remain on the roster, Holcomb has more experience and knows Brad Childress' system. He's no threat to Tarvaris Jackson, but should be the backup eventually.

Based on what?

Brad Childresses huge ego. He's not going to replace a QB that he is just starting to groom, one that he traded UP for, with a journeyman QB that has had a decent string of 3 games just once in his career.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

NFL Network's Adam Shefter reports that the Vikings have acquired Kelly Holcomb for a sixth-round pick in 2008.

Brooks Bollinger's poor effort in Minnesota's third preseason game didn't help. While Bollinger may remain on the roster, Holcomb has more experience and knows Brad Childress' system. He's no threat to Tarvaris Jackson, but should be the backup eventually.

Based on what?

Brad Childresses huge ego. He's not going to replace a QB that he is just starting to groom, one that he traded UP for, with a journeyman QB that has had a decent string of 3 games just once in his career.

He will if they go 0-3 to start the year and HIS guy never finds the end zone. Preseason usually isn't a road map, but it can be for young QB's.

 

[Bristol]

NFL Network's Adam Shefter reports that the Vikings have acquired Kelly Holcomb for a sixth-round pick in 2008.

Brooks Bollinger's poor effort in Minnesota's third preseason game didn't help. While Bollinger may remain on the roster, Holcomb has more experience and knows Brad Childress' system. He's no threat to Tarvaris Jackson, but should be the backup eventually.

Based on what?

Brad Childresses huge ego. He's not going to replace a QB that he is just starting to groom, one that he traded UP for, with a journeyman QB that has had a decent string of 3 games just once in his career.

What happened the year that Donovan McNabb was drafted? Didn't they start a journeyman QB for almost the whole year?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

He will if they go 0-3 to start the year and HIS guy never finds the end zone. Preseason usually isn't a road map, but it can be for young QB's.

No he won't. They are on a long term plan and inserting a stopgap QB doesn't accomplish anything. Regardless of how poorly the team does, Childress won't be fired this year. So that's not a concern.

What happened the year that Donovan McNabb was drafted? Didn't they start a journeyman QB for almost the whole year?

I don't remember. But this isn't TJ's rookie year, just his first year starting.

 

[JetMaxx]

NFL Network's Adam Shefter reports that the Vikings have acquired Kelly Holcomb for a sixth-round pick in 2008.

Brooks Bollinger's poor effort in Minnesota's third preseason game didn't help. While Bollinger may remain on the roster, Holcomb has more experience and knows Brad Childress' system. He's no threat to Tarvaris Jackson, but should be the backup eventually.

Based on what?

Brad Childresses huge ego. He's not going to replace a QB that he is just starting to groom, one that he traded UP for, with a journeyman QB that has had a decent string of 3 games just once in his career.

What happened the year that Donovan McNabb was drafted? Didn't they start a journeyman QB for almost the whole year?

Ah, yes. The infamous Doug Peterson.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Inserting TJac doesn't solve anything either.

I get your point on the ego thing. I guess it depends on whose ego is larger, Brad's or Wilf's? I'm going with Wilf's.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Inserting TJac doesn't solve anything either.

I get your point on the ego thing. I guess it depends on whose ego is larger, Brad's or Wilf's? I'm going with Wilf's.

Sure it does if you believe that the experience he gains this year will help him be the QB you want/expect him to be next year.They're not playing for championships this year, so why not develop the guy you believe is the long term solution and take your lumps this year?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

You have to hand it to Philly, they got Holcomb as a clear "throw in" in the Takeo Spikes deal and now they convert him into a 6th round pick.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If they were going to throw around draft picks, I sure wish they'd have spent a 4th on Kendall.

Maybe they tried.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Inserting TJac doesn't solve anything either.

I get your point on the ego thing. I guess it depends on whose ego is larger, Brad's or Wilf's? I'm going with Wilf's.

Sure it does if you believe that the experience he gains this year will help him be the QB you want/expect him to be next year.They're not playing for championships this year, so why not develop the guy you believe is the long term solution and take your lumps this year?

Sure, if you believe that they can make a run next year before their defense starts falling apart from age, and the offensive line starts being even more overpaid then it already is now.I don't.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

You have to hand it to Philly, they got Holcomb as a clear "throw in" in the Takeo Spikes deal and now they convert him into a 6th round pick.

This is exactly what I came in here to say.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Inserting TJac doesn't solve anything either.

I get your point on the ego thing. I guess it depends on whose ego is larger, Brad's or Wilf's? I'm going with Wilf's.

Sure it does if you believe that the experience he gains this year will help him be the QB you want/expect him to be next year.They're not playing for championships this year, so why not develop the guy you believe is the long term solution and take your lumps this year?

Sure, if you believe that they can make a run next year before their defense starts falling apart from age, and the offensive line starts being even more overpaid then it already is now.I don't.

Do you think they can make a run either this year or next with Kelly Holcomb?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Inserting TJac doesn't solve anything either.

I get your point on the ego thing. I guess it depends on whose ego is larger, Brad's or Wilf's? I'm going with Wilf's.

Sure it does if you believe that the experience he gains this year will help him be the QB you want/expect him to be next year.They're not playing for championships this year, so why not develop the guy you believe is the long term solution and take your lumps this year?

Sure, if you believe that they can make a run next year before their defense starts falling apart from age, and the offensive line starts being even more overpaid then it already is now.I don't.

Do you think they can make a run either this year or next with Kelly Holcomb?

Nope. But Brad does.Brad is delusioned by the "system". It's the same disease that Denny had.

 

[SammyJankis]

FBG Thread from July regarding this very possiblity

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Inserting TJac doesn't solve anything either.

I get your point on the ego thing. I guess it depends on whose ego is larger, Brad's or Wilf's? I'm going with Wilf's.

Sure it does if you believe that the experience he gains this year will help him be the QB you want/expect him to be next year.They're not playing for championships this year, so why not develop the guy you believe is the long term solution and take your lumps this year?

Sure, if you believe that they can make a run next year before their defense starts falling apart from age, and the offensive line starts being even more overpaid then it already is now.I don't.

Do you think they can make a run either this year or next with Kelly Holcomb?

Nope. But Brad does.Brad is delusioned by the "system". It's the same disease that Denny had.

Well now I hadn't thought of that. And that's definitely true.

 

[phillyphan07]

so if i have this right (and i'm doing it from memory, so I could be wrong)

eagles get takeo and the vikings 6th rounder

vikings get kelly holcomb

bills get the eagles six rounder (because walker, who the eagles were cutting anyway, never showed)

is that really what just happened?

 

[IM666]

If the Vikings had intentions to have Holcomb start, wouldn't they have picked him up sooner? It seems a bit late to plug him into the offense and hope he can be more productive than Jackson. I think they realize how little depth they have at QB, and want him to provide some experience; that being said, how committed are they to Jackson? If he completely fails, would the Vikings go after a QB next draft? Or even try to work with Oakland to get Russell?

 

[Lord Lucan]

Career games throwing for 390+ yards:

K Holcomb 3

T Brady 1

I'm just sayin'...

 

[dotman]

You have to hand it to Philly, they got Holcomb as a clear "throw in" in the Takeo Spikes deal and now they convert him into a 6th round pick.

This is exactly what I came in here to say.

Not only that, I thought he looked like crap in camp, this guy wasn't even going to make the team, so a 6th rounder sounds good to me

 

[TCFF]

so if i have this right (and i'm doing it from memory, so I could be wrong)eagles get takeo and the vikings 6th roundervikings get kelly holcombbills get the eagles six rounder (because walker, who the eagles were cutting anyway, never showed)is that really what just happened?

I think Eagles get TKO and vikings 6thVikings get HolcombBills get Eagles sixth and the bears 5th as I think they traded Walker to the Bears before his rights reverted to the eagles. Of course, this is also from memoryOk just checked, the pick the Bears sent to Buffalo could be a 4th or a 5th depending on Walker's playing time.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Career games throwing for 390+ yards:K Holcomb 3T Brady 1I'm just sayin'...

Classic.

 

[dotman]

so if i have this right (and i'm doing it from memory, so I could be wrong)eagles get takeo and the vikings 6th roundervikings get kelly holcombbills get the eagles six rounder (because walker, who the eagles were cutting anyway, never showed)is that really what just happened?

The Bills got something from Chicago for Walker...a conditional draft pick maybe? I don't remember exactly...

 

[Jason Wood]

I think it's ridiculous for anyone to assume Kelly Holcomb is no threat to Tarvaris Jackson's job. Jackson is as much of a wild card as there is at the QB position this year. The Vikings clearly WANT Jackson to keep the job, but I think the timing of this Holcomb move is more about Bollinger not being a credible alternative, whereas Holcomb at least has some starting experience under his belt.

 

[hauser42]

Choke Vikes will be grasping at straws all year with the QBs have on the roster. Childress and his lacky Bevell will struggle to get points all year with that team, running game will face 8 men in a box. Could not be any happer since the Packes should win 2 games against that team.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If they ever start Holcomb, it will be unbearable.

At least TJ is an exciting athlete to watch. Holcomb seems like Brad Johnson: Redux.

 

[phillyphan07]

thanks guys... i forgot about the bills-bears trade. Still, the eagles front office never misses an angle.

 

[jeter23]

Childress has already named TJax the starter, just to be sure there was no speculation about Holcomb getting the job.

 

[Vikes Fan]

This pickup brings me to another question. I know Drew Hensen got cut today. So the Vikings current QBs are Jackson, Holcomb, Bollinger, and Tyler Thigpen. So, what are the chances that Bollinger gets cut? Zero? I am asking because I would like to see them hold on to Thigpen. Yes, he is a project and may never be an NFL starter, but watching him in the game against St. Louis, I like what Thigpen brings to the table. He has a strong arm and decent mobility. If they cut Thigpen, is it a slam dunk that he clears waivers so the Vikings could place him on the practice squad?

Just wondering...

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Tarvaris Jackson-QB- Vikings Aug. 27 - 4:32 pm et

Vikings coach Brad Childress confirmed Monday that Tarvaris Jackson has won the team's starting quarterback job.

Just to alleviate any speculation that Kelly Holcomb is being brought in to challenge him. Jackson was the obvious favorite to win all along and has showed surprising accuracy in the preseason.

Source: Minneapolis Star-Tribune

 

[Andy Dufresne]

On a bit of a side note, I actually thought Jackson looked pretty decent in the game the other day.

One thing is for certain - he has an extremely live arm.

 

[mozzy84]

This pickup brings me to another question. I know Drew Hensen got cut today. So the Vikings current QBs are Jackson, Holcomb, Bollinger, and Tyler Thigpen. So, what are the chances that Bollinger gets cut? Zero? I am asking because I would like to see them hold on to Thigpen. Yes, he is a project and may never be an NFL starter, but watching him in the game against St. Louis, I like what Thigpen brings to the table. He has a strong arm and decent mobility. If they cut Thigpen, is it a slam dunk that he clears waivers so the Vikings could place him on the practice squad?Just wondering...

I was assuming this was the end of the brooks bollinger era with the vikes, but I could be wrong ....I would roll with thigpen over him personally

 

[ScoobyDoo]

On a bit of a side note, I actually thought Jackson looked pretty decent in the game the other day.One thing is for certain - he has an extremely live arm.

He has Culpepper potential, but with one huge difference. Daunte had weapons to throw the ball to. This receving core with a young QB is a mixture made for disaster.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

On a bit of a side note, I actually thought Jackson looked pretty decent in the game the other day.

One thing is for certain - he has an extremely live arm.

He has Culpepper potential, but with one huge difference. Daunte had weapons to throw the ball to. This receving core with a young QB is a mixture made for disaster.

No question there.There's just something I don't like about the entire scheme. It seems so...stodgy. The only thing dynamic about it is AP.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

On a bit of a side note, I actually thought Jackson looked pretty decent in the game the other day.

One thing is for certain - he has an extremely live arm.

He has Culpepper potential, but with one huge difference. Daunte had weapons to throw the ball to. This receving core with a young QB is a mixture made for disaster.

No question there.There's just something I don't like about the entire scheme. It seems so...stodgy. The only thing dynamic about it is AP.

that was the problem childress always had in wisconsin too. he had a great o-line, talented guys at the skill positions, but he wouldn't ever open up the offense and do anything creative. it really harmed the badgers too, because there were years where that team could have challenged for a national title - but while you can beat average teams through better execution, you can't beat michigan and ohio state while using a "vanilla" offensive scheme. it just doesn't usually work.childress never impressed me then - and nothing in philly changed my mind, as reid was clearly running the offense there.

 

[Jason Wood]

Love him or not, Daunte Culpepper is the highest scoring fantasy QB (per game) in league history (using FBG scoring)...please please PLEASE let's not suggest Tarvaris Jackson has that kind of potential.

Tarvaris Jackson reminds me a lot more of Quincy Carter than he does Culpepper.

 

[Gopher State]

Good move by the Vikes heres why:

Holcomb played the same system the we have in MN, short learning curve here.

None of the other QB's were a threat to Jackson, now Holcomb can step in if Jackson bombs or gets hurt.

None ones claiming the Vikes are going to make the play offs etc., but Holcomb is a good teacher for Jackson, + 6 round picks can pan out, but never a sure deal, not a lot to give up if Holcomb can help Jackson progress. I think if Holcomb would of been cut (and I think he would of been) bidding war could of started with Atl.

Other then AP theres not much FF value in MN, hope being Jackson, and his young WR's Rice etc., learn together, and maybe we get a few highlights from AP for Sports Center this year

 

[w3junky]

Love him or not, Daunte Culpepper is the highest scoring fantasy QB (per game) in league history (using FBG scoring)...please please PLEASE let's not suggest Tarvaris Jackson has that kind of potential. Tarvaris Jackson reminds me a lot more of Quincy Carter than he does Culpepper.

Who did Cully have for WR's though? Cris Carter and a young Moss who was in his prime, with the emphasis on the later. Moss made Cunningham and even Jeff George look like all-pro QB's.

 

[PeaceBringer]

FYI peeps, according to KFAN sports update on the matter the pick is a 2009 6th rounder, not next years.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

FYI peeps, according to KFAN sports update on the matter the pick is a 2009 6th rounder, not next years.

This is also what it said on the NFL Network.

 

[Biabreakable]

Holcomb at least has some experience as a starter. He was the best QB cleveland had before he moved on to Philly. He knows the system allready and has shown he can move an offense before. For a 6th round pick you could do a lot worse than add a guy like that to backup Jackson.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Holcomb at least has some experience as a starter. He was the best QB cleveland had before he moved on to Philly. He knows the system allready and has shown he can move an offense before. For a 6th round pick you could do a lot worse than add a guy like that to backup Jackson.

I agree! (Case in point - the Vikings gave up a 6th to get Bollinger last year.)

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Love him or not, Daunte Culpepper is the highest scoring fantasy QB (per game) in league history (using FBG scoring)...please please PLEASE let's not suggest Tarvaris Jackson has that kind of potential. Tarvaris Jackson reminds me a lot more of Quincy Carter than he does Culpepper.

LOLYou disagree? Daunte was made the highest scoring FF QB because of who he played with, not because of who he was. Look at him now. I think you give Daunte way too much credit because of FF scoring being what it is, and not looking at the big picture.