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[wannabee]

Santonio Holmes has failed to call back Ben

Published Fri Jul 14 9:23:00 a.m. ET 2006

(Rotoworld) Santonio Holmes has failed to call back Ben Roethlisberger despite repeated attempts to reach him this summer.

Impact: While Big Ben might not be the ideal choice for brotherly advice, who doesn't call back his Super Bowl winning quarterback when he's trying to lend a hand? Holmes' immaturity appears to extend to his dealings with teammates.

 

[Sea Bass]

Media Hype!

 

[Steelers4Life]

The following is cut from an article on the Pittsburgh Post Gazette this morning, and when I read it, I admit that I was concerned... right or wrong, I can't understand why Holmes wouldn't be eager to have Ben play a role in helping him.

Roethlisberger was not the only high-profile Steelers player to make some headlines this offseason.

Santonio Holmes, the Steelers' first-round draft pick, has been arrested twice since draft day, the latest on domestic-violence charges. Holmes is a receiver, which means he'll work closely with Roethlisberger, but so far he hasn't endeared himself to the hand that will some day feed him.

"I've reached out to Santonio, kind of like [Jerome Bettis] did to me," Roethlisberger said.

"I gave him my numbers, told him to call me, and when he got into trouble, I called him a bunch of time and left a bunch of messages for him, and he has never called me back, so I don't know how to take it.

"If he wants me to help him and wants me to take him under my wing, I'll do that, but it is his call, now, not mine. The ball is in his court, so to speak, but I think he'll be OK and, hopefully, he'll get to camp and get his head screwed on straight."

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Taken by itself, I wouldn't find this to be too big a deal. Couple this with his two arrests and to say I think he's acting like an ### would be an understatement.

 

[Armando]

I won't be taking him in any draft that's for sure.

I'd love for someone here to try to put a positive spin on him. Between 2 arrests, popping out babies left and right and being irresponsible, he sounds typical. How many different baby's mommas? Let me guess, child support issues will be an issue throughout his short NFL career.

Can't believe the Steelers actually traded what they did.....for him.

 

[Captain Spaulding]

I won't be taking him in any draft that's for sure.

I'd love for someone here to try to put a positive spin on him. Between 2 arrests, popping out babies left and right and being irresponsible, he sounds typical. How many different baby's mommas? Let me guess, child support issues will be an issue throughout his short NFL career.

Can't believe the Steelers actually traded what they did.....for him.

Trading up to get Chad Jackson would've be much better choice.

 

[Godsbrother]

I don't think Holmes not calling Ben is a big deal. The pending trial date for domestic abuse is a much bigger issue...

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

This guy obviously has many issues. I think he will be more of a cancer/distraction than what he's worth on the field.

Has a team ever said screw our first round pick and just not sign them?

 

[The Commish]

I won't be taking him in any draft that's for sure.

I'd love for someone here to try to put a positive spin on him. Between 2 arrests, popping out babies left and right and being irresponsible, he sounds typical. How many different baby's mommas? Let me guess, child support issues will be an issue throughout his short NFL career.

Can't believe the Steelers actually traded what they did.....for him.

I was shocked when they traded up for him too. There must be something in the water in Columbus...he's not the first to act this way and surely won't be the last.

 

[Jack Burton]

He only gets one phone call and he used it on his lawyer.

 

[-OZ-]

I won't be taking him in any draft that's for sure.

I'd love for someone here to try to put a positive spin on him. Between 2 arrests, popping out babies left and right and being irresponsible, he sounds typical. How many different baby's mommas? Let me guess, child support issues will be an issue throughout his short NFL career.

Can't believe the Steelers actually traded what they did.....for him.

I was shocked when they traded up for him too. There must be something in the water in Columbus...he's not the first to act this way and surely won't be the last.

:GoBlue:

popping out babies left and right

That can't be good, as a NFL player. Or a guy.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Why would Ben tell the media this? Seems like som,thing you'd keep to yourself and discuss it with Holmes when you see him.

 

[Boston]

I won't be taking him in any draft that's for sure.

I'd love for someone here to try to put a positive spin on him.  Between 2 arrests, popping out babies left and right and being irresponsible, he sounds typical. How many different baby's mommas? Let me guess, child support issues will be an issue throughout his short NFL career.

Can't believe the Steelers actually traded what they did.....for him.

Trading up to get Chad Jackson would've be much better choice.

They could have had Jax without making a trade.

 

[nightshift]

It's gonna take a couple of years to straighten this clown out. Wouldn't expect much from him anytime soon.

 

[Bri]

Santonio Holmes has failed to call back Ben

Published Fri Jul 14 9:23:00 a.m. ET 2006

(Rotoworld) Santonio Holmes has failed to call back Ben Roethlisberger despite repeated attempts to reach him this summer.

Impact: While Big Ben might not be the ideal choice for brotherly advice, who doesn't call back his Super Bowl winning quarterback when he's trying to lend a hand? Holmes' immaturity appears to extend to his dealings with teammates.

Holmes might just figure Ben's busy with family worrying about him and all these recent interviews. Not sure if I were him, if I'd think Ben was "chatty" nd give him a call.

 

[Sea Bass]

Santonio Holmes has failed to call back Ben

Published Fri Jul 14 9:23:00 a.m. ET 2006

(Rotoworld) Santonio Holmes has failed to call back Ben Roethlisberger despite repeated attempts to reach him this summer.

Impact: While Big Ben might not be the ideal choice for brotherly advice, who doesn't call back his Super Bowl winning quarterback when he's trying to lend a hand? Holmes' immaturity appears to extend to his dealings with teammates.

Holmes might just figure Ben's busy with family worrying about him and all these recent interviews. Not sure if I were him, if I'd think Ben was "chatty" nd give him a call.

Completely agree! The phone call issue is nothing at all.

 

[Boston]

Santonio Holmes has failed to call back Ben

Published Fri Jul 14 9:23:00 a.m. ET 2006

(Rotoworld) Santonio Holmes has failed to call back Ben Roethlisberger despite repeated attempts to reach him this summer.

Impact: While Big Ben might not be the ideal choice for brotherly advice, who doesn't call back his Super Bowl winning quarterback when he's trying to lend a hand? Holmes' immaturity appears to extend to his dealings with teammates.

Holmes might just figure Ben's busy with family worrying about him and all these recent interviews. Not sure if I were him, if I'd think Ben was "chatty" nd give him a call.

Completely agree! The phone call issue is nothing at all.

"hopefully, he'll get to camp and get his head screwed on straight."That sounds like there is some concern. If he had zero issues other than this than no big deal. Yet, right now there seems to be a pattern of immaturity and/or irresponsible behavior developing.

 

[fatness]

If he had zero issues other than this than no big deal. Yet, right now there seems to be a pattern of immaturity and/or irresponsible behavior developing.

Ben nearly died from an accident while riding without a helmet. Not exactly responsible there, either. I'm just sayin'.This "who called who" and "who didn't call who" business among athletes and other celebrities is pretty silly stuff. Reminds me of teenage girls.

 

[Bri]

Yet, right now there seems to be a pattern of immaturity and/or irresponsible behavior developing.

Ben nearly died from an accident while riding without a helmet. Not exactly responsible there, either. I'm just sayin'.This "who called who" and "who didn't call who" business among athletes and other celebrities is pretty silly stuff. Reminds me of teenage girls.

I think you spliced Boston's post and gave it a different "feeling" altogether. this "If he had zero issues other than this than no big deal." preceding sentence summed it up just fine IMO

 

[fatness]

Fair enough. I added that part of his quote back in.

 

[jurb26]

I still can't believe they traded up for this guy over White and Jackson. I keep telling myself they know what they are doing and just trust the decision, but it's getting very difficult to say the least.

 

[Tom Servo]

This is probably a little bit of both.

We don't know (at least I don't) the context and tone of Ben's quote. It could have been said in passing and without a lot of emphasis and the media made a big deal out of it, or Ben could've been going out of his way to call Holmes out to try and get him involved and be a team player and not be so much on his own.

My

 

[Captain Spaulding]

Troy Edwards, Plexiglass and now Holmes. 2 historical WR busts and now a 3rd one off to a worse start (if that were possible) than the predecesors. You'd think Cowher would learn to avoid selecting a WR in the 1st round. The Steelers scout team just can't seem to get a feel for that position like they can the other positions as 1st rounders.

(Roth, H. Miller, Troy Pol.., Casey Hampton etc)

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Troy Edwards, Plexiglass and now Holmes.  2 historical WR busts and now a 3rd one off to a worse start (if that were possible) than the predecesors.  You'd think Cowher would learn to avoid selecting a WR in the 1st round.  The Steelers scout team just can't seem to get a feel for that position like they can the other positions as 1st rounders.

(Roth, H. Miller, Troy Pol.., Casey Hampton etc)

Calling Plaxico a bust? Hardly. Poor attitude definitely. Let's see what Santonio does in training camp before we compare him to Troy Edwards. It sure seems like he's a troubled kid but his on-field talent is undeniable.

 

[Bri]

Troy Edwards, Plexiglass and now Holmes. 2 historical WR busts and now a 3rd one off to a worse start (if that were possible) than the predecesors. You'd think Cowher would learn to avoid selecting a WR in the 1st round. The Steelers scout team just can't seem to get a feel for that position like they can the other positions as 1st rounders.

(Roth, H. Miller, Troy Pol.., Casey Hampton etc)

Plax isn't a bustBitter steeler fan? Always weird when some Steeler fans come and chat about Plax. He really got under their skin.

 

[Banger]

Not a good start for Holmes. I guess the one good thing is that his 1st training camp has even begun. What really matters is if he can put all this negative nonsense behind him when training camp begins and be the player that the Steelers hoped for when picking him. If he has a good season all this will be forgotten but if he holds out/struggles he could have a tough time in Pitt.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Santonio Holmes has failed to call back Ben

Published Fri Jul 14 9:23:00 a.m. ET 2006

(Rotoworld) Santonio Holmes has failed to call back Ben Roethlisberger despite repeated attempts to reach him this summer.

Impact: While Big Ben might not be the ideal choice for brotherly advice, who doesn't call back his Super Bowl winning quarterback when he's trying to lend a hand? Holmes' immaturity appears to extend to his dealings with teammates.

Hi wannabe,I'm starting to think this is a big thing. Not the incident, but what kind of guy the incident reveals.

I think that for those of us who look back and ask if we should have seen the signs, this might be important.

From the Daily Email Update the other day:

Source: Source: Paul Zeise, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

WR Santonio Holmes, the Steelers' first-round draft pick, has been arrested twice since draft day, the latest on domestic-violence charges. Holmes being a receiver means he'll work closely with QB Ben Roethlisberger. So far Holmes hasn't endeared himself to Roethlisberger. "I've reached out to Santonio, kind of like Jerome Bettis did to me," Roethlisberger said. "I gave him my numbers, told him to call me, and when he got into trouble, I called him a bunch of times and left a bunch of messages for him, and he has never called me back, so I don't know how to take it". "If he wants me to help him, it is his call, now, not mine".

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What kind of rookie WR doesn't return a call from his quarterback? Maybe this is a small thing. Or then again, maybe stupid moves like ignoring your QB and having two arrests since April will have us looking back in a couple of years and saying we should have known the guy would be a bust....

Granted, you don't have to be Miss Manners to excel at this level. But he seems to be off to a really rocky start. J

 

[Youre stewed]

Don't see this as that big a deal. Wait until camp starts to see what this guy's capable of before we rush to judgment one way or the other.

 

[Franknbeans]

Plax isn't a bust

Bitter steeler fan? Always weird when some Steeler fans come and chat about Plax. He really got under their skin.

Give it time, he'll get under Giant fans skin too

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Never really understood all the Plax hatred in Pgh. He dropped a few balls, other than that...

I'm was and still am a fan of his.

 

[Franknbeans]

Never really understood all the Plax hatred in Pgh. He dropped a few balls, other than that...

I'm was and still am a fan of his.

I am too but I think the disdain comes from whenever he had an opportunity to demonstrate accountability, he never took it. Usually in big situations.

 

[CrossEyed]

Never really understood all the Plax hatred in Pgh. He dropped a few balls, other than that...

I'm was and still am a fan of his.

I think Plax was perceived to be lazy. That doesn't go over well in Western PA. Skipping mini-camp didn't help endear him to the fans. And when you play across the field from one of the hardest working guys in the league you're going to look even worse if you dog it from time to time.I kind of liked Plax, but I understand why others didn't.

 

[Kleck]

What kind of rookie WR doesn't return a call from his quarterback?

What kind of quarterback / team leader puts this sort of thing out to the media? What positive thing can come of it?

 

[Godsbrother]

Meh. All of this "didn't call Ben back stuff" is just off-season BS. I cannot wait for training camp to start and we can start getting some real news...

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

What kind of rookie WR doesn't return a call from his quarterback?

What kind of quarterback / team leader puts this sort of thing out to the media? What positive thing can come of it?

Roethlisberger was asked point blank if he'd talked to Santonio Holmes recently, he answered the question. I don't have a problem with that.

 

[Kleck]

What kind of rookie WR doesn't return a call from his quarterback?

What kind of quarterback / team leader puts this sort of thing out to the media? What positive thing can come of it?

Roethlisberger was asked point blank if he'd talked to Santonio Holmes recently, he answered the question. I don't have a problem with that.

And he should have answered no. Giving details that the dude didn't call him back after he offered to be his mentor is bull####. Not the sort of thing team leaders should be doing. That's the sort of thing a team leader does in private.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

typical OSU Buckeye flake.

 

[-OZ-]

What kind of rookie WR doesn't return a call from his quarterback?

What kind of quarterback / team leader puts this sort of thing out to the media? What positive thing can come of it?

Roethlisberger was asked point blank if he'd talked to Santonio Holmes recently, he answered the question. I don't have a problem with that.

And he should have answered no. Giving details that the dude didn't call him back after he offered to be his mentor is bull####. Not the sort of thing team leaders should be doing. That's the sort of thing a team leader does in private.

Ben's taken enough heat lately for his own mistake, he was asked a question about Holmes, he simply said the facts. If he had simply said "no", people would have blasted him for not being approachable.

 

[jurb26]

What kind of rookie WR doesn't return a call from his quarterback?

What kind of quarterback / team leader puts this sort of thing out to the media? What positive thing can come of it?

Roethlisberger was asked point blank if he'd talked to Santonio Holmes recently, he answered the question. I don't have a problem with that.

And he should have answered no. Giving details that the dude didn't call him back after he offered to be his mentor is bull####. Not the sort of thing team leaders should be doing. That's the sort of thing a team leader does in private.

Ummm maybe, seeing that Holmes is not returning his calls, he used the media as an avenue to try and reach him. Ever think of that? Ben did not saying thing bad about the guy and actually wished him well. Do we really need to hang on these guys every word?

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

What kind of rookie WR doesn't return a call from his quarterback?

What kind of quarterback / team leader puts this sort of thing out to the media? What positive thing can come of it?

Roethlisberger was asked point blank if he'd talked to Santonio Holmes recently, he answered the question. I don't have a problem with that.

And he should have answered no. Giving details that the dude didn't call him back after he offered to be his mentor is bull####. Not the sort of thing team leaders should be doing. That's the sort of thing a team leader does in private.

Ummm maybe, seeing that Holmes is not returning his calls, he used the media as an avenue to try and reach him. Ever think of that? Ben did not saying thing bad about the guy and actually wished him well. Do we really need to hang on these guys every word?

Parcells does this type of thing all the time, shall we question his leadership too?

 

[Kleck]

Parcells does this type of thing all the time, shall we question his leadership too?

Anyone that attempts to communicate with another person through the media is being a ####. Glad we could clear that up.

 

[jurb26]

Parcells does this type of thing all the time, shall we question his leadership too?

Anyone that attempts to communicate with another person through the media is being a ####. Glad we could clear that up.

What would you suggest in this case that is a better option, smoke signals? Oh, thats right, you'd rather he just didn't say anything at all. How exactly is that being a "leader."

 

[Armando]

2006: Holmes not calling people back.

2010: Holmes, out of the league, not paying child support.

 

[fatness]

Parcells does this type of thing all the time, shall we question his leadership too?

Parcels isn't a player on a roster.

 

[Lutherman2112]

What kind of quarterback / team leader puts this sort of thing out to the media? What positive thing can come of it?

Brett Favre, May 2005, after Javon Walker skipped out on minicamps. The positive? Walker ended his holdout and showed for training camp.

Favre upset with Walker

Javon Walker is holding out, trying to get a more lucrative contract. Quarterback Brett Favre isn’t happy that his Pro Bowl receiver has decided to do so.

By Chris Havel

PackersNews.com

Brett Favre isn’t sure whether Javon Walker cares what he thinks of his receiver’s holdout, but just in case, the Green Bay Packers’ quarterback made it clear.

“If Javon wants to know what his quarterback thinks, and I would think he might, I’d tell him he’s going about this the wrong way,” Favre said. “When his agent tells him not to worry about what his teammates think and all that stuff, I’d tell him I’ve been around a long time and that stuff will come back to haunt you.”

Favre, 35, expressed his disappointment with Walker during a telephone interview from his Hattiesburg, Miss., home. He said he was upset when he heard Walker intended to sit out the season if the Packers don’t renegotiate his contract.

Walker, the Packers’ first-round draft pick in 2002, has two years remaining on his existing deal. He is scheduled to make $515,000 this season and $650,000 in 2006. Walker had a breakout season last year when he caught 89 passes for 1,382 yards and 12 touchdowns. He played in his first Pro Bowl in February.

“I would’ve never thought it would be a guy like Javon,” Favre said. “I guess in this business nothing should surprise you, especially what happens when guys have a little bit of success. Some guys handle it the right way and some guys don’t.”

 

[Joe Bryant]

What kind of rookie WR doesn't return a call from his quarterback?

What kind of quarterback / team leader puts this sort of thing out to the media? What positive thing can come of it?

Are we talking about Roethlisberger or Holmes?What one does doesn't have anything to do with the other that I can see.

If you think Roethlisberger should have kept that private, thats' cool.

Doesn't change the reality of what we know - that Holmes wouldn't return the calls of his QB. I think that's a very telling action by Holmes.

J

 

[Sea Bass]

What kind of quarterback / team leader puts this sort of thing out to the media? What positive thing can come of it?

Brett Favre, May 2005, after Javon Walker skipped out on minicamps. The positive? Walker ended his holdout and showed for training camp.

Favre upset with Walker

Javon Walker is holding out, trying to get a more lucrative contract. Quarterback Brett Favre isn’t happy that his Pro Bowl receiver has decided to do so.

By Chris Havel

PackersNews.com

Brett Favre isn’t sure whether Javon Walker cares what he thinks of his receiver’s holdout, but just in case, the Green Bay Packers’ quarterback made it clear.

“If Javon wants to know what his quarterback thinks, and I would think he might, I’d tell him he’s going about this the wrong way,” Favre said. “When his agent tells him not to worry about what his teammates think and all that stuff, I’d tell him I’ve been around a long time and that stuff will come back to haunt you.”

Favre, 35, expressed his disappointment with Walker during a telephone interview from his Hattiesburg, Miss., home. He said he was upset when he heard Walker intended to sit out the season if the Packers don’t renegotiate his contract.

Walker, the Packers’ first-round draft pick in 2002, has two years remaining on his existing deal. He is scheduled to make $515,000 this season and $650,000 in 2006. Walker had a breakout season last year when he caught 89 passes for 1,382 yards and 12 touchdowns. He played in his first Pro Bowl in February.

“I would’ve never thought it would be a guy like Javon,” Favre said. “I guess in this business nothing should surprise you, especially what happens when guys have a little bit of success. Some guys handle it the right way and some guys don’t.”

Moot point. I don't believe that Holmes is a threat to hold out.

 

[Kleck]

Brett Favre, May 2005, after Javon Walker skipped out on minicamps.

I think Favre was out of line as well.Don't get me wrong. I think Holmes looks like a moron from his actions. However, The right thing for Roethlisberter to do is keep it private. No reason for him to share the information expect to either embarrass Holmes or make him look worse. Mission accomplished.

 

[jurb26]

Brett Favre, May 2005, after Javon Walker skipped out on minicamps.

I think Favre was out of line as well.Don't get me wrong. I think Holmes looks like a moron from his actions. However, The right thing for Roethlisberter to do is keep it private. No reason for him to share the information expect to either embarrass Holmes or make him look worse. Mission accomplished.

How is anything that Ben says going to make a guy who was arrested 2 times sinse the draft look worse? FYI, what he said was not harsh in the least IMO.

 

[Sea Bass]

Ben doesn't seem like a guy that would call a player out. I simply think that he was trying to show that he was willing to help. It just came out wrong. Remember, both players have had eventful summers. The media and message boards may be over-reacting a smooch bit here.

btw, I can't believe that I used that phrase.

If he did purposely call Holmes out I completely agree with Shick!