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No, I think Sanchez would be more appealing to them ( assuming Stafford is gone ). Sanchez appears to be rising in popularity with teams prior to the draft.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
That sound you are hearing is the remaining FF value
of Torry Holt circling the drain.
of Torry Holt circling the drain.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
And MJD.Holt should still be able to command at least some respect by opposing D's - even w/ the below average passing game in JAX. Maybe one less in the box?If he signs, bump up Walker.
That deserves a "Tru Dat" IMO.....And MJD.Holt should still be able to command at least some respect by opposing D's - even w/ the below average passing game in JAX. Maybe one less in the box?If he signs, bump up Walker.
gianmarco
Footballguy
I think this is a great fit. Sign Holt, draft Maclin. Holt, Walker, and Maclin as the current #3 and heir to Holt's spot would make this a legit WR corp and would upgrade both Garrard and MJD.
Not sure why they'd consider a QB high in the draft with Garrard at the helm and signed to a pretty hefty, long-term contract and solid #'s the last 2 years.
Not sure why they'd consider a QB high in the draft with Garrard at the helm and signed to a pretty hefty, long-term contract and solid #'s the last 2 years.
Matt Waldman
Footballguy
Count me as skeptical Jax pursues a QB early in the draft. Garrard is a guy they are confident in. The issue was the decimated offensive line and unreliable receivers on and/or off the field.
Holt getting eight games on grass as opposed to turf might be a small factor in his decision if he's thinking about the knee at all. I would really like to see this signing for the Jags offense if Holt is as good of a locker room guy as he's been a player. The Jags need more veteran support on offense with Taylor gone and a bunch of young guys after Garrard. Bringing in a guy with a SB ring, helps too.
Holt getting eight games on grass as opposed to turf might be a small factor in his decision if he's thinking about the knee at all. I would really like to see this signing for the Jags offense if Holt is as good of a locker room guy as he's been a player. The Jags need more veteran support on offense with Taylor gone and a bunch of young guys after Garrard. Bringing in a guy with a SB ring, helps too.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Garrard was signed to a 6 yr $60 million deal through 2014. Now, I don't know the specifics of it, but I can't imagine it's a deal they can get out of at this time that wouldn't have serious salary cap implications for them. And that's if they even want to to begin with.
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Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
People are way to down on Garrard... The guy is not that bad. He won't wow you, but he can make all the throws and has underrated mobility.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
garrard's interior OL was completely blown up before the season even started, & its not like he had a great pair of bookend OTs to start with... that state of affirs was not conducive to seeing garrard at his best...
the franchise should target a LT (oher, andre smith?) or WR (maclin, harvin?) with that high 1st round pick... sanchez may need to be groomed for at least a year or two, & not sure if del rio wants to wait that long to get the payoff on this pick... & no guarantee sanchez would develope any better than garrard (who i respect, under better circumstances)...
few teams could use a WR like holt more than JAX (albeit in the twilight of his career), so this makes some sense...
the franchise should target a LT (oher, andre smith?) or WR (maclin, harvin?) with that high 1st round pick... sanchez may need to be groomed for at least a year or two, & not sure if del rio wants to wait that long to get the payoff on this pick... & no guarantee sanchez would develope any better than garrard (who i respect, under better circumstances)...
few teams could use a WR like holt more than JAX (albeit in the twilight of his career), so this makes some sense...
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Jacksonville need to make this move happen!
The Football Freak
Footballguy
Exactly. Garrard's crappiness has been greatly exaggerated. He threw for 3600 yards and 62% completion last year, with a sub-par group of receivers, and a completely decimated offensive line. Of course he is going to have to press a bit which leads to more interceptions and bad throws; Garrard was throwing under heavy pressure for the majority of his passes. I think the Jags will take a look at taking a QB through the draft next year when the crop is more bountiful. IF they take one this year, it will be a later round project that has potential to be good after learning from the bench.I hope they can land Holt, as that will lend instant credibility to the WR corps and the Jags passing game. My fingers are crossed.With the dominant o-line from the 07 season back on the field, and the addition the pass blocking skills of Tra Thomas, I look forward to the passing game getting back on track in 09. My biggest hope is that they start getting more creative with the calls from the sidelines to take advantage of the improved blocking.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
& even a declining holt would be a massive upgrade over the likes of matt jones & reggie williams...
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cstu
Footballguy
I agree, it couldn't be any worse. I just checked out Matt Jones' stats from last year and didn't realize that pro-rated over 16 games he would have had 86/1012. Obviously TD's are going to be an issue in Jax but in PPR leagues I think it's a good spot for Holt. He could be a borderline #2/3 just from the number of targets he'll get.
Are people still putting Maclin ahead of DHB?
gianmarco
Footballguy
I don't know if "people" are. I am, though.
You kind of answered your own question.
Fanatic13
Footballguy
I also think it is a good fit....i agree it ups the value of MJD-Walker...and Garrad...BTW.. i also think Holt can do 70 -1000-6 in Jax ..and at this point IMHO it ups his FF value as well...He takes over at M.Jones spot who before his suspension was on his way to his best year...I dont see how people think this is bad for even Holt's value..its a win up and down the lineup
Garred>Bulger..at this point
Garred>Bulger..at this point
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Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
you're kind of passive aggressive
B. Nugget
Footballguy
Without a doubt. What good is being a .10 of a second faster if you have questionable hands and concentration? J-Mac is a gamer and is a special teams star, let alone being a better WR.
Matt Waldman
Footballguy
Keep it cool guys...
Matt Waldman
Footballguy
To get back on topic...
...If Holt signs, I think it could also signal them drafting a WR just to have a positive influence on the roster who can mentor them on refining their skills. As much as I like Mike Walker, they need more players and Holt is that influence they really haven't had since McCardell and to some extent Jimmy Smith (off-field issues make it a "kinda" situation).
Who do you think the Jags would draft with a guy like Holt around? I would think they want a guy who could model his game after Holt. So to me that's a guy with the makings of a technician, but just like Owens learned things being around Rice, they had some major differences - Rice was a much better route runner than Owens ever will be.
Personally I think a raw player like Heyward Bey and Maclin could gain a lot from Holt's influence, but do they want to pull the trigger on another fine athlete who doesn't have the positional skills? I'd be a little sour on that option if I were the Jags.
Thoughts?
...If Holt signs, I think it could also signal them drafting a WR just to have a positive influence on the roster who can mentor them on refining their skills. As much as I like Mike Walker, they need more players and Holt is that influence they really haven't had since McCardell and to some extent Jimmy Smith (off-field issues make it a "kinda" situation).
Who do you think the Jags would draft with a guy like Holt around? I would think they want a guy who could model his game after Holt. So to me that's a guy with the makings of a technician, but just like Owens learned things being around Rice, they had some major differences - Rice was a much better route runner than Owens ever will be.
Personally I think a raw player like Heyward Bey and Maclin could gain a lot from Holt's influence, but do they want to pull the trigger on another fine athlete who doesn't have the positional skills? I'd be a little sour on that option if I were the Jags.
Thoughts?
On the flip side, by adding Holt maybe that takes WR off of the board at #8. They could probably wait until round 2 and take more of project guy that could learn from Holt.ETA: I think I'd rather have DHB than Maclain. In the long run, I think DHB has more upside than any WR in this draft.
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Matt Waldman
Footballguy
Good point, any projects you think they might go after? I think it would definitely give them flexibility in their draft plan to wait on a guy they feel is a bargain and not have to aggressively reach for anyone.
The team that lands Kenny Britt in the 2nd round is golden.
Well, I'd consider Harvin a project who could be there early in round 2. Robieski is less of a project, but another guy who could be there that would benefit from playing with Holt.I kind of think they go defense in round 1 or O-line(assuming Holt does indeed sign) maybe Crabtree if he's there(hard to believe Oakland would pass on him though) but not DHB or Maclain. Despite the rumors, a QB would really shock me.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I don't think signing Holt takes a WR off the board at 8. They know he's old and they've been in need of help at WR for as long as JDR has been there. Even with Jimmy Smith around they drafted WRs in the first round 2 years in a row.
They have a lot of other needs of course, so they'll probably just go with the BPA from their positions of need.
They have a lot of other needs of course, so they'll probably just go with the BPA from their positions of need.
Toads
Footballguy
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I agree. No QB looks good with bad protection and his receivers aren't exactly great
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