Houston Texans sign DE Mario Williams (1 Viewer)

[msommer]

Henry will not be the reason they will not draft Bush. His contract calls for a 4M roster bonus next year (postponed from this year) - i.e. he can be cut easily. Brown is in his last year as well.

Understood, however I doubt the Titan's are going to want to have so much precious salary devoted to their running backs, fragile and unproven. They desperately need a QB. I am pretty sure they are drafting Young unless Chow can convince them to go with Leinart.

and you may be right - on the other hand thay might draft either Leinart or Young or Cutler from lower than #3

 

[guderian]

The irony of a team from New Orleans drafting a player named Bush...

 

[Chaos Commish]

Where does BUSH end up now? I think SF. Just a hunch!

Jets or Titans? Packers? Saints? COWBOYS!!!!!

 

[Texasmouth]

Nothing is a done deal until at least noon tomorrow.

That would be when Mario (or Bush) could officially become a Texan.

Texasmouth - sorry if you're upset at my earlier, but this is the night before the draft and this year, if any year, anything is still possible.

Not upset, just trying to explain to you guys that the deal is signed. Once a contract is signed by the pick and the team, it is a done deal. Deny this all you want but this is how it works. NFL Network, ESPN, ESPN 2 and NFL Network on Sirius have all confirmed that the contract is signed and Williams IS A TEXAN. Dont know how to make it anymore clear than that.

Now for the rest of the draft......

 

[cstu]

Careful what you wish for Jets fans. What if...

1. Texans - Mario

2. Saints - D'Brick

3. Titans - Bush

then...

4. Jest - Leinart, Young, Hawk, Davis, Huff, the rest????

This could really put a dent in what you get. I'm guessing all Jest fans and brass were thinking Tennessee goes QB and you get whichever of the top three falls.

I'd rather have Bush, Mario, or D'Brick if I'm the Jets. Taking the whatever is left is "sloppy seconds" after what you were licking your chops for.

Titans will not draft Bush. They already have Brown and Henry. They want a QB, and they probably want Young.Texans are morons. Casserly is a twit. As a Houstonian, I am extremely disappointed in this decision. Carr is awful. Davis is serviceable as a RB, but not over a full season. They just signed Weaver this off season. They are morons.

Let's see, last 4 DL's that went #1

Courtney Brown - garbage

Dan Wilkinson - awful

Russell Maryland - so-so

Steve Emtman :X

Pathetic move for what is becoming a joke of a franchise.

I looked up DE and here are the DE's picked in the top 15 the last 10 years. Ware isn't actually a DE, but was listed as one before the draft. The first DE has a pretty decent track record if you discount injuries.CODE

2005 1 1 11 11 Demarcus Ware Cowboys Troy State

2003 1 1 9 9 Kevin Williams Vikings Oklahoma State

2003 2 1 10 10 Terrell Suggs Ravens Arizona State

2003 3 1 14 14 Michael Haynes Bears Penn State

2003 4 1 15 15 Jerome McDougle Eagles Miami (FL)

2002 1 1 2 2 Julius Peppers Panthers North Carolina

2002 2 1 11 11 Dwight Freeney Colts Syracuse

2001 1 1 4 4 Justin Smith Bengals Missouri

2001 2 1 7 7 Andre Carter 49ers California

2001 3 1 10 10 Jamal Reynolds Packers Florida State

2000 1 1 1 1 Courtney Brown Browns Penn State

2000 2 1 12 12 Shaun Ellis Jets Tennessee

1998 1 1 3 3 Andre Wadsworth Cardinals Florida State

1998 2 1 6 6 Grant Wistrom Rams Nebraska

1998 3 1 8 8 Greg Ellis Cowboys North Carolina

1997 1 1 4 4 Peter Boulware Ravens Florida State

1997 2 1 14 14 Reinard Wilson Bengals Florida State

1996 1 1 3 3 Simeon Rice Cardinals Illinois

1996 2 1 5 5 Cedric Jones Giants Oklahoma

1996 3 1 12 12 Regan Upshaw Buccaneers California

Cherry picking the bad DL is like looking at Ryan Leaf et al and ignoring Aikman, Manning, etc. There are plenty of impact DL that have been taken early like Bruce Smith, Reggie White (USFL-but would have gone very early in NFL as well), Richard Seymour, Peppers, etc.

Thats a less than 50% hit rate. What do you think it is for RBs? It's been said before, Dline is the highest bust rate of all positions.

I want Reggie Bush over EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE GUYS THAT ARE BOLDED.

I think Bush's risk factor was a big factor in the decision. Knowing how short the career of a RB is, I think the Texans decided to take a guy that they think can play for 10+ years. A $30 million signing bonus to an unproven RB is taking a huge chance. LT only received $21 guaranteed. I'm not convinced that's the right way to look at it, but if Bush tears an ACL in the next few years then the Texans will look like geniuses.

 

[fsufan]

the NFL draft is just as unpredictable as the regular season

 

[Texasmouth]

Where does BUSH end up now? I think SF. Just a hunch!

COWBOYS!!!!!

Doubtful......Not that I would complain, even as a JJ and MB3 owner......but Extremely doubtful.....

 

[msommer]

Careful what you wish for Jets fans.  What if...

1. Texans - Mario

2. Saints - D'Brick

3. Titans - Bush

then...

4. Jest - Leinart, Young, Hawk, Davis, Huff, the rest????

This could really put a dent in what you get.  I'm guessing all Jest fans and brass were thinking Tennessee goes QB and you get whichever of the top three falls.

I'd rather have Bush, Mario, or D'Brick if I'm the Jets.  Taking the whatever is left is "sloppy seconds" after what you were licking your chops for.

Titans will not draft Bush. They already have Brown and Henry. They want a QB, and they probably want Young.Texans are morons. Casserly is a twit. As a Houstonian, I am extremely disappointed in this decision. Carr is awful. Davis is serviceable as a RB, but not over a full season. They just signed Weaver this off season. They are morons.

Let's see, last 4 DL's that went #1

Courtney Brown - garbage

Dan Wilkinson - awful

Russell Maryland - so-so

Steve Emtman :X

Pathetic move for what is becoming a joke of a franchise.

I looked up DE and here are the DE's picked in the top 15 the last 10 years. Ware isn't actually a DE, but was listed as one before the draft. The first DE has a pretty decent track record if you discount injuries.CODE

2005 1 1 11 11 Demarcus Ware Cowboys Troy State

2003 1 1 9 9 Kevin Williams Vikings Oklahoma State

2003 2 1 10 10 Terrell Suggs Ravens Arizona State

2003  3 1 14 14 Michael Haynes Bears Penn State

2003  4 1 15 15 Jerome McDougle Eagles Miami (FL)

2002 1 1 2 2 Julius Peppers Panthers North Carolina

2002  2 1 11 11 Dwight Freeney Colts Syracuse

2001 1 1 4 4 Justin Smith Bengals Missouri

2001  2 1 7 7 Andre Carter 49ers California

2001  3 1 10 10 Jamal Reynolds Packers Florida State

2000 1 1 1 1 Courtney Brown Browns Penn State

2000  2 1 12 12 Shaun Ellis Jets Tennessee

1998 1 1 3 3 Andre Wadsworth Cardinals Florida State

1998  2 1 6 6 Grant Wistrom Rams Nebraska

1998  3 1 8 8 Greg Ellis Cowboys North Carolina

1997 1 1 4 4 Peter Boulware Ravens Florida State

1997  2 1 14 14 Reinard Wilson Bengals Florida State

1996 1 1 3 3 Simeon Rice Cardinals Illinois

1996 2 1 5 5 Cedric Jones Giants Oklahoma

1996  3 1 12 12 Regan Upshaw Buccaneers California

Cherry picking the bad DL is like looking at Ryan Leaf et al and ignoring Aikman, Manning, etc. There are plenty of impact DL that have been taken early like Bruce Smith, Reggie White (USFL-but would have gone very early in NFL as well), Richard Seymour, Peppers, etc.

Thats a less than 50% hit rate. What do you think it is for RBs? It's been said before, Dline is the highest bust rate of all positions.

I want Reggie Bush over EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE GUYS THAT ARE BOLDED.

Alas, If you are a Texans fan you are not going to get him...

 

[jurb26]

Careful what you wish for Jets fans. What if...

1. Texans - Mario

2. Saints - D'Brick

3. Titans - Bush

then...

4. Jest - Leinart, Young, Hawk, Davis, Huff, the rest????

This could really put a dent in what you get. I'm guessing all Jest fans and brass were thinking Tennessee goes QB and you get whichever of the top three falls.

I'd rather have Bush, Mario, or D'Brick if I'm the Jets. Taking the whatever is left is "sloppy seconds" after what you were licking your chops for.

Titans will not draft Bush. They already have Brown and Henry. They want a QB, and they probably want Young.Texans are morons. Casserly is a twit. As a Houstonian, I am extremely disappointed in this decision. Carr is awful. Davis is serviceable as a RB, but not over a full season. They just signed Weaver this off season. They are morons.

Let's see, last 4 DL's that went #1

Courtney Brown - garbage

Dan Wilkinson - awful

Russell Maryland - so-so

Steve Emtman :X

Pathetic move for what is becoming a joke of a franchise.

I looked up DE and here are the DE's picked in the top 15 the last 10 years. Ware isn't actually a DE, but was listed as one before the draft. The first DE has a pretty decent track record if you discount injuries.CODE

2005 1 1 11 11 Demarcus Ware Cowboys Troy State

2003 1 1 9 9 Kevin Williams Vikings Oklahoma State

2003 2 1 10 10 Terrell Suggs Ravens Arizona State

2003 3 1 14 14 Michael Haynes Bears Penn State

2003 4 1 15 15 Jerome McDougle Eagles Miami (FL)

2002 1 1 2 2 Julius Peppers Panthers North Carolina

2002 2 1 11 11 Dwight Freeney Colts Syracuse

2001 1 1 4 4 Justin Smith Bengals Missouri

2001 2 1 7 7 Andre Carter 49ers California

2001 3 1 10 10 Jamal Reynolds Packers Florida State

2000 1 1 1 1 Courtney Brown Browns Penn State

2000 2 1 12 12 Shaun Ellis Jets Tennessee

1998 1 1 3 3 Andre Wadsworth Cardinals Florida State

1998 2 1 6 6 Grant Wistrom Rams Nebraska

1998 3 1 8 8 Greg Ellis Cowboys North Carolina

1997 1 1 4 4 Peter Boulware Ravens Florida State

1997 2 1 14 14 Reinard Wilson Bengals Florida State

1996 1 1 3 3 Simeon Rice Cardinals Illinois

1996 2 1 5 5 Cedric Jones Giants Oklahoma

1996 3 1 12 12 Regan Upshaw Buccaneers California

Cherry picking the bad DL is like looking at Ryan Leaf et al and ignoring Aikman, Manning, etc. There are plenty of impact DL that have been taken early like Bruce Smith, Reggie White (USFL-but would have gone very early in NFL as well), Richard Seymour, Peppers, etc.

Thats a less than 50% hit rate. What do you think it is for RBs? It's been said before, Dline is the highest bust rate of all positions.

I want Reggie Bush over EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE GUYS THAT ARE BOLDED.

I think Bush's risk factor was a big factor in the decision. Knowing how short the career of a RB is, I think the Texans decided to take a guy that they think can play for 10+ years. I'm not convinced that's the right way to look at it, but if Bush tears an ACL in the next few years then the Texans will look like geniuses.

Not if Williams sucks they wont. They will look like fools if it takes an injury to keep Bush from being great and they just misinterpreted Williams talent.

 

[Jason Wood]

Nothing is a done deal until at least noon tomorrow.

That would be when Mario (or Bush) could officially become a Texan.

Texasmouth - sorry if you're upset at my earlier, but this is the night before the draft and this year, if any year, anything is still possible.

Hey Jeff,That's not really true. Mario Williams has been offered and has signed a contract with the Texans. Charlie Casserly has been on the NFL Network and ESPN talking about why they made that decision. ESPN, NFL Network and even the Texans website are acknowledging the deal.

Whether it's the right decision or not, it's done, Mario Williams is the 1st choice in the 2006 NFL Draft.

 

[LHUCKS]

I'd give my left testicle to be a fly in the wall in NO war room right now.

 

[Grey Pilgrim]

How could they have done this??

The Texans have the chance to draft the one player that will make this team a house-hold name, and they completely blow it.

As a Houston native and Texans fan.... I will tell you that I am seriously considering switching my alligence to the Cowboys. Any team that would pass up Reggie Bush, doesn't deserve my patronidge.

I freaking HATE the Texans and hope they go down in the anals of the NFL as one of the worst teams of all time.

 

[Jason Wood]

I'd give my left testicle to be a fly in the wall in NO war room right now.

I really don't think there's much drama...they will work the phones for the best deal and, I would imagine they're going to have a choice of several compelling offers. If they don't get "value" for the 2nd pick, they'll take Bush. Bush will be the 2nd overall pick IMHO.

 

[Texasmouth]

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Man I love football.....

 

[Deuceman]

Careful what you wish for Jets fans.  What if...

1. Texans - Mario

2. Saints - D'Brick

3. Titans - Bush

then...

4. Jest - Leinart, Young, Hawk, Davis, Huff, the rest????

This could really put a dent in what you get.  I'm guessing all Jest fans and brass were thinking Tennessee goes QB and you get whichever of the top three falls.

I'd rather have Bush, Mario, or D'Brick if I'm the Jets.  Taking the whatever is left is "sloppy seconds" after what you were licking your chops for.

Titans will not draft Bush. They already have Brown and Henry. They want a QB, and they probably want Young.Texans are morons. Casserly is a twit. As a Houstonian, I am extremely disappointed in this decision. Carr is awful. Davis is serviceable as a RB, but not over a full season. They just signed Weaver this off season. They are morons.

Let's see, last 4 DL's that went #1

Courtney Brown - garbage

Dan Wilkinson - awful

Russell Maryland - so-so

Steve Emtman :X

Pathetic move for what is becoming a joke of a franchise.

I looked up DE and here are the DE's picked in the top 15 the last 10 years. Ware isn't actually a DE, but was listed as one before the draft. The first DE has a pretty decent track record if you discount injuries.CODE

2005 1 1 11 11 Demarcus Ware Cowboys Troy State

2003 1 1 9 9 Kevin Williams Vikings Oklahoma State

2003 2 1 10 10 Terrell Suggs Ravens Arizona State

2003  3 1 14 14 Michael Haynes Bears Penn State

2003  4 1 15 15 Jerome McDougle Eagles Miami (FL)

2002 1 1 2 2 Julius Peppers Panthers North Carolina

2002  2 1 11 11 Dwight Freeney Colts Syracuse

2001 1 1 4 4 Justin Smith Bengals Missouri

2001  2 1 7 7 Andre Carter 49ers California

2001  3 1 10 10 Jamal Reynolds Packers Florida State

2000 1 1 1 1 Courtney Brown Browns Penn State

2000  2 1 12 12 Shaun Ellis Jets Tennessee

1998 1 1 3 3 Andre Wadsworth Cardinals Florida State

1998  2 1 6 6 Grant Wistrom Rams Nebraska

1998  3 1 8 8 Greg Ellis Cowboys North Carolina

1997 1 1 4 4 Peter Boulware Ravens Florida State

1997  2 1 14 14 Reinard Wilson Bengals Florida State

1996 1 1 3 3 Simeon Rice Cardinals Illinois

1996 2 1 5 5 Cedric Jones Giants Oklahoma

1996  3 1 12 12 Regan Upshaw Buccaneers California

Cherry picking the bad DL is like looking at Ryan Leaf et al and ignoring Aikman, Manning, etc. There are plenty of impact DL that have been taken early like Bruce Smith, Reggie White (USFL-but would have gone very early in NFL as well), Richard Seymour, Peppers, etc.

Thats a less than 50% hit rate. What do you think it is for RBs? It's been said before, Dline is the highest bust rate of all positions.

I want Reggie Bush over EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE GUYS THAT ARE BOLDED.

Alas, If you are a Texans fan you are not going to get him...

I would want Peppers out of that group just to start. Especially since hindsight is 20/20 and Peppers is a BEAST!!!

 

[fsufan]

maybe this has been talked about, did not read all the thread. Does Denver move up to the #2 pick to draft Bush

 

[jurb26]

Careful what you wish for Jets fans. What if...

1. Texans - Mario

2. Saints - D'Brick

3. Titans - Bush

then...

4. Jest - Leinart, Young, Hawk, Davis, Huff, the rest????

This could really put a dent in what you get. I'm guessing all Jest fans and brass were thinking Tennessee goes QB and you get whichever of the top three falls.

I'd rather have Bush, Mario, or D'Brick if I'm the Jets. Taking the whatever is left is "sloppy seconds" after what you were licking your chops for.

Titans will not draft Bush. They already have Brown and Henry. They want a QB, and they probably want Young.Texans are morons. Casserly is a twit. As a Houstonian, I am extremely disappointed in this decision. Carr is awful. Davis is serviceable as a RB, but not over a full season. They just signed Weaver this off season. They are morons.

Let's see, last 4 DL's that went #1

Courtney Brown - garbage

Dan Wilkinson - awful

Russell Maryland - so-so

Steve Emtman :X

Pathetic move for what is becoming a joke of a franchise.

I looked up DE and here are the DE's picked in the top 15 the last 10 years. Ware isn't actually a DE, but was listed as one before the draft. The first DE has a pretty decent track record if you discount injuries.CODE

2005 1 1 11 11 Demarcus Ware Cowboys Troy State

2003 1 1 9 9 Kevin Williams Vikings Oklahoma State

2003 2 1 10 10 Terrell Suggs Ravens Arizona State

2003 3 1 14 14 Michael Haynes Bears Penn State

2003 4 1 15 15 Jerome McDougle Eagles Miami (FL)

2002 1 1 2 2 Julius Peppers Panthers North Carolina

2002 2 1 11 11 Dwight Freeney Colts Syracuse

2001 1 1 4 4 Justin Smith Bengals Missouri

2001 2 1 7 7 Andre Carter 49ers California

2001 3 1 10 10 Jamal Reynolds Packers Florida State

2000 1 1 1 1 Courtney Brown Browns Penn State

2000 2 1 12 12 Shaun Ellis Jets Tennessee

1998 1 1 3 3 Andre Wadsworth Cardinals Florida State

1998 2 1 6 6 Grant Wistrom Rams Nebraska

1998 3 1 8 8 Greg Ellis Cowboys North Carolina

1997 1 1 4 4 Peter Boulware Ravens Florida State

1997 2 1 14 14 Reinard Wilson Bengals Florida State

1996 1 1 3 3 Simeon Rice Cardinals Illinois

1996 2 1 5 5 Cedric Jones Giants Oklahoma

1996 3 1 12 12 Regan Upshaw Buccaneers California

Cherry picking the bad DL is like looking at Ryan Leaf et al and ignoring Aikman, Manning, etc. There are plenty of impact DL that have been taken early like Bruce Smith, Reggie White (USFL-but would have gone very early in NFL as well), Richard Seymour, Peppers, etc.

Thats a less than 50% hit rate. What do you think it is for RBs? It's been said before, Dline is the highest bust rate of all positions.

I want Reggie Bush over EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE GUYS THAT ARE BOLDED.

Alas, If you are a Texans fan you are not going to get him...

I would want Peppers out of that group just to start. Especially since hindsight is 20/20 and Peppers is a BEAST!!!

Guess you dont care about run support then.

 

[LHUCKS]

If they don't get "value" for the 2nd pick, they'll take Bush. Bush will be the 2nd overall pick IMHO.

I respectfully disagree for reasons previously stated.

 

[guru_007]

I think Bush's risk factor was a big factor in the decision. Knowing how short the career of a RB is, I think the Texans decided to take a guy that they think can play for 10+ years. I'm not convinced that's the right way to look at it, but if Bush tears an ACL in the next few years then the Texans will look like geniuses.

No doubt that's a legitimate concern, HOWEVER, this is a team that just went 2-14. They need to take a chance on a Gale Sayers like back. They just signed Anthony Weaver, and have plenty of other needs on the OL and secondary. I'm not passing on a pro-bowl type running back, even if his career is only 6-7 years. DLineman are not game breakers, touchdown makers,etc....After all, how many super bowls did Bruce Smith win? Julius Peppers is a fine player, but he doesn't turn the entire game around. He can't score every time he touches the ball.

I'm

 

[cstu]

Careful what you wish for Jets fans. What if...

1. Texans - Mario

2. Saints - D'Brick

3. Titans - Bush

then...

4. Jest - Leinart, Young, Hawk, Davis, Huff, the rest????

This could really put a dent in what you get. I'm guessing all Jest fans and brass were thinking Tennessee goes QB and you get whichever of the top three falls.

I'd rather have Bush, Mario, or D'Brick if I'm the Jets. Taking the whatever is left is "sloppy seconds" after what you were licking your chops for.

Titans will not draft Bush. They already have Brown and Henry. They want a QB, and they probably want Young.Texans are morons. Casserly is a twit. As a Houstonian, I am extremely disappointed in this decision. Carr is awful. Davis is serviceable as a RB, but not over a full season. They just signed Weaver this off season. They are morons.

Let's see, last 4 DL's that went #1

Courtney Brown - garbage

Dan Wilkinson - awful

Russell Maryland - so-so

Steve Emtman :X

Pathetic move for what is becoming a joke of a franchise.

I looked up DE and here are the DE's picked in the top 15 the last 10 years. Ware isn't actually a DE, but was listed as one before the draft. The first DE has a pretty decent track record if you discount injuries.CODE

2005 1 1 11 11 Demarcus Ware Cowboys Troy State

2003 1 1 9 9 Kevin Williams Vikings Oklahoma State

2003 2 1 10 10 Terrell Suggs Ravens Arizona State

2003 3 1 14 14 Michael Haynes Bears Penn State

2003 4 1 15 15 Jerome McDougle Eagles Miami (FL)

2002 1 1 2 2 Julius Peppers Panthers North Carolina

2002 2 1 11 11 Dwight Freeney Colts Syracuse

2001 1 1 4 4 Justin Smith Bengals Missouri

2001 2 1 7 7 Andre Carter 49ers California

2001 3 1 10 10 Jamal Reynolds Packers Florida State

2000 1 1 1 1 Courtney Brown Browns Penn State

2000 2 1 12 12 Shaun Ellis Jets Tennessee

1998 1 1 3 3 Andre Wadsworth Cardinals Florida State

1998 2 1 6 6 Grant Wistrom Rams Nebraska

1998 3 1 8 8 Greg Ellis Cowboys North Carolina

1997 1 1 4 4 Peter Boulware Ravens Florida State

1997 2 1 14 14 Reinard Wilson Bengals Florida State

1996 1 1 3 3 Simeon Rice Cardinals Illinois

1996 2 1 5 5 Cedric Jones Giants Oklahoma

1996 3 1 12 12 Regan Upshaw Buccaneers California

Cherry picking the bad DL is like looking at Ryan Leaf et al and ignoring Aikman, Manning, etc. There are plenty of impact DL that have been taken early like Bruce Smith, Reggie White (USFL-but would have gone very early in NFL as well), Richard Seymour, Peppers, etc.

Thats a less than 50% hit rate. What do you think it is for RBs? It's been said before, Dline is the highest bust rate of all positions.

I want Reggie Bush over EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE GUYS THAT ARE BOLDED.

Alas, If you are a Texans fan you are not going to get him...

I would want Peppers out of that group just to start. Especially since hindsight is 20/20 and Peppers is a BEAST!!!

Guess you dont care about run support then.

Seems to work for the Panthers.

 

[Deuceman]

maybe this has been talked about, did not read all the thread. Does Denver move up to the #2 pick tp draft Bush

NO!They could get DeAngelo Williams later in the 1st round.

 

[msommer]

maybe this has been talked about, did not read all the thread. Does Denver move up to the #2 pick to draft Bush

They do not have the ammo and why would they?

 

[BassNBrew]

I'd give my left testicle to be a fly in the wall in NO war room right now.

I really don't think there's much drama...they will work the phones for the best deal and, I would imagine they're going to have a choice of several compelling offers. If they don't get "value" for the 2nd pick, they'll take Bush. Bush will be the 2nd overall pick IMHO.

Problem is they won't get value because everyone knows they don't want him.Knowing the NFL, they'll probably just give the Jets that pick and move NO to four...sort of like an extra home game if you will.

 

[jchap31]

As a lifelong Saints fan, this is hands down the most exciting offseason in recent memory. With the right trade, Payton and Loomis can set this team up for the near future with a boatload of picks. If Bush gets drafted, it's for trade purposes only, ala Eli Manning and the Chargers. I have seen Benson's actions long enough to know that he will not have two 8 mil/year RBs on a roster with so MANY needs (DT, LB, CB, SS, FS oh wait thats the ENTIRE DEFENSE except for DE-Grant and Smith are goos enough)

 

[jurb26]

Seems to work for the Panthers.

With Buckner, Rucker and Morgan I wonder why.

 

[fsufan]

maybe this has been talked about, did not read all the thread. Does Denver move up to the #2 pick tp draft Bush

NO!They could get DeAngelo Williams later in the 1st round.

Bush + Denver's running system = a FF wet dream

 

[Simris]

maybe this has been talked about, did not read all the thread. Does Denver move up to the #2 pick tp draft Bush

I wouldd soo love thatIt was the first thought that came to mind.

Bush behind that O line???!!!

BTW-just a point of the rules-does anything in the rules stop the Texans from trading their signed pick? Not that it would happen, but???

 

[obxlegends]

Published Fri Apr 28 9:15:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Jay Glazer, of FOXSports.com, reports the contract agreed to by DE Mario Williams with the Houston Texans has not been signed yet. Williams' agents are examining the actual contract and taking a detailed look at its language. The deal is a five-year contract with an option for a sixth worth $54 million that could go well over $60 million provided that Williams performs at a certain level.

 

[LHUCKS]

ESPN reporting 26.5 Million guaranteed.

 

[fsufan]

ESPN reporting 26.5 Million guaranteed.

what did Bush want?

 

[Texasmouth]

If they don't get "value" for the 2nd pick, they'll take Bush. Bush will be the 2nd overall pick IMHO.

I respectfully disagree for reasons previously stated.

I didn't see what you posted about this but I can't see how Bush isn't the second pick....If you are the jets you have to be working on a deal. They have three QB on their roster all ready that are perfectly serviceable, especially with a guy like Bush in the back field. The Jets could still get a decent OL with their next pick. They have to package something and move up to get Bush. New Orleans can still get a player that they like at 4. The Jets seem to be in the best position to move to 2 and grab Bush.Since the Texans couldn't get Bush signed, anyone think other teams may be worried about the same thing?

 

[LHUCKS]

Mort on ESPN right now:

Bush price tag too high for Benson he thinks.

Jets tempted to trade up.

Titans very interested in Reggie Bush.

Move cost Bush 3-4 Million dollars.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Chris Mortenson was just interviewed during halftime of the NBA game:

"I believe that the Titans will take Bush over a quarterback if hes there."

And then again later on when asked what the lowest Bush will go: "No lower than 3."

 

[cstu]

I think Bush's risk factor was a big factor in the decision. Knowing how short the career of a RB is, I think the Texans decided to take a guy that they think can play for 10+ years. I'm not convinced that's the right way to look at it, but if Bush tears an ACL in the next few years then the Texans will look like geniuses.

No doubt that's a legitimate concern, HOWEVER, this is a team that just went 2-14. They need to take a chance on a Gale Sayers like back. They just signed Anthony Weaver, and have plenty of other needs on the OL and secondary. I'm not passing on a pro-bowl type running back, even if his career is only 6-7 years. DLineman are not game breakers, touchdown makers,etc....After all, how many super bowls did Bruce Smith win? Julius Peppers is a fine player, but he doesn't turn the entire game around. He can't score every time he touches the ball.

I'm

I agree, this came as an incredible surprise to me since I never expected the Texans to pass on Bush. However, the signing bonuses are out of control now and I think it's why you don't see RB's taken #1 overall anymore. The last one was Ki-Jana Carter and I can't imagine the devastation to a team today if injuries like that happened to someone who paid out a $30 million bonus.

 

[fsufan]

Mort on ESPN right now:

Bush price tag too high for Benson he thinks.

Jets tempted to trade up.

Titans very interested in Reggie Bush.

this is the best draft off all time

 

[msommer]

Mort on ESPN right now:

Bush price tag too high for Benson he thinks.

Jets tempted to trade up.

Titans very interested in Reggie Bush.

Gotta love Floyd - smoke up everyone's ###es

 

[BassNBrew]

Mort on ESPN right now:

Bush price tag too high for Benson he thinks.

Jets tempted to trade up.

Titans very interested in Reggie Bush.

Let the BS begin to fly. Like he really got solid inside info from three teams this quick.

 

[Texasmouth]

Titans very interested in Reggie Bush.

Move cost Bush 3-4 Million dollars.

What does Tenn have to trade? The Jets seem to have the best chance IMHO.

 

[fsufan]

Chris Mortenson was just interviewed during halftime of the NBA game:

"I believe that the Titans will take Bush over a quarterback if hes there."

And then again later on when asked what the lowest Bush will go: "No lower than 3."

I do not think any of them know. They all said Bush was going #1.

 

[Assani Fisher]

So is this official? It seems as if we're getting a ton of differing opinions here!

For argument's sake, lets say that something tragic happens to Williams tonight and he can no longer play pro football...is Houston binded to take him even then?

anyone?

 

[homebrumiester]

I'd give my left testicle to be a fly in the wall in NO war room right now.

Shot I would even give both my left ####

 

[Simris]

Since the Texans couldn't get Bush signed, anyone think other teams may be worried about the same thing?

I hope he ends sitting out a year.I am rebuilding in my dynasty league and he would be great on my developmental squad.

Chances he may sit out?

 

[Texasmouth]

Mort on ESPN right now:

Bush price tag too high for Benson he thinks.

Jets tempted to trade up.

Titans very interested in Reggie Bush.

Gotta love Floyd - smoke up everyone's ###es

This is great. The Titans dont have to worry about a guy falling to them now.....Oakland will probably end up with Vince Young now.....

 

[Assani Fisher]

Nothing is a done deal until at least noon tomorrow.

That would be when Mario (or Bush) could officially become a Texan.

Texasmouth - sorry if you're upset at my earlier, but this is the night before the draft and this year, if any year, anything is still possible.

Hey Jeff,That's not really true. Mario Williams has been offered and has signed a contract with the Texans. Charlie Casserly has been on the NFL Network and ESPN talking about why they made that decision. ESPN, NFL Network and even the Texans website are acknowledging the deal.

Whether it's the right decision or not, it's done, Mario Williams is the 1st choice in the 2006 NFL Draft.

So even if Williams tragically dies in his sleep before the draft, the Texans have already drafted him and are stuck?

 

[LHUCKS]

Mort on ESPN right now:

Bush price tag too high for Benson he thinks.

Jets tempted to trade up.

Titans very interested in Reggie Bush.

this is the best draft off all time

easily

 

[jamil]

How could they have done this??

The Texans have the chance to draft the one player that will make this team a house-hold name, and they completely blow it.

As a Houston native and Texans fan.... I will tell you that I am seriously considering switching my alligence to the Cowboys. Any team that would pass up Reggie Bush, doesn't deserve my patronidge.

I freaking HATE the Texans and hope they go down in the anals of the NFL as one of the worst teams of all time.

I'm with you.. :( if they really wanted a sure fire impact player at DE, we should've just chosen Peppers when we first came in. IMO I think Peppers will go down as a better DE then Williams. (Yes biased, huge peppers fan.)

 

[Portis 26]

Published Fri Apr 28 9:15:00 p.m. ET 2006(KFFL) Jay Glazer, of FOXSports.com, reports the contract agreed to by DE Mario Williams with the Houston Texans has not been signed yet. Williams' agents are examining the actual contract and taking a detailed look at its language. The deal is a five-year contract with an option for a sixth worth $54 million that could go well over $60 million provided that Williams performs at a certain level.

Oho, Texasmouth, turns he's not actually a Texan after all yet! Just kidding. I presume he will sign, if he hasn't already. I just think there was a lot of jumping the gun here.

 

[hobbes4]

Nothing is a done deal until at least noon tomorrow.

That would be when Mario (or Bush) could officially become a Texan.

Texasmouth - sorry if you're upset at my earlier, but this is the night before the draft and this year, if any year, anything is still possible.

Hey Jeff,That's not really true. Mario Williams has been offered and has signed a contract with the Texans. Charlie Casserly has been on the NFL Network and ESPN talking about why they made that decision. ESPN, NFL Network and even the Texans website are acknowledging the deal.

Whether it's the right decision or not, it's done, Mario Williams is the 1st choice in the 2006 NFL Draft.

Did Casserly stop laughing long enough to explain why he drafted Williams over Bush (I mean besides the rumor he will be fired after the draft, regardless of who he picks)?

 

[Football Menace]

I don't understand everyone that's saying that "the Saints aren't going to draft Bush because they have McAllister." Last I check, McAllister has done much the last few years. I've been a loyal Saints fan for years, and I've seen them blow pick after pick atfer pick. Now is the time to grab that one special player that's going to be the staple of the organization. An offensive lineman just won't cut it now. We've been down that road before. I think that they're now in the same boat as the Texans now. If they past on Bush, they'll have to go deep in the playoffs. If not, the fans are going to go Detroit on them.

P.S. - Can you image the chip that Bush is going to be playing with?

 

[bueno]

Careful what you wish for Jets fans.  What if...

1. Texans - Mario

2. Saints - D'Brick

3. Titans - Bush

then...

4. Jest - Leinart, Young, Hawk, Davis, Huff, the rest????

This could really put a dent in what you get.  I'm guessing all Jest fans and brass were thinking Tennessee goes QB and you get whichever of the top three falls.

I'd rather have Bush, Mario, or D'Brick if I'm the Jets.  Taking the whatever is left is "sloppy seconds" after what you were licking your chops for.

Titans will not draft Bush. They already have Brown and Henry. They want a QB, and they probably want Young.Texans are morons. Casserly is a twit. As a Houstonian, I am extremely disappointed in this decision. Carr is awful. Davis is serviceable as a RB, but not over a full season. They just signed Weaver this off season. They are morons.

Let's see, last 4 DL's that went #1

Courtney Brown - garbage

Dan Wilkinson - awful

Russell Maryland - so-so

Steve Emtman :X

Pathetic move for what is becoming a joke of a franchise.

I looked up DE and here are the DE's picked in the top 15 the last 10 years. Ware isn't actually a DE, but was listed as one before the draft. The first DE has a pretty decent track record if you discount injuries.CODE

2005 1 1 11 11 Demarcus Ware Cowboys Troy State

2003 1 1 9 9 Kevin Williams Vikings Oklahoma State

2003 2 1 10 10 Terrell Suggs Ravens Arizona State

2003  3 1 14 14 Michael Haynes Bears Penn State

2003  4 1 15 15 Jerome McDougle Eagles Miami (FL)

2002 1 1 2 2 Julius Peppers Panthers North Carolina

2002  2 1 11 11 Dwight Freeney Colts Syracuse

2001 1 1 4 4 Justin Smith Bengals Missouri

2001  2 1 7 7 Andre Carter 49ers California

2001  3 1 10 10 Jamal Reynolds Packers Florida State

2000 1 1 1 1 Courtney Brown Browns Penn State

2000  2 1 12 12 Shaun Ellis Jets Tennessee

1998 1 1 3 3 Andre Wadsworth Cardinals Florida State

1998  2 1 6 6 Grant Wistrom Rams Nebraska

1998  3 1 8 8 Greg Ellis Cowboys North Carolina

1997 1 1 4 4 Peter Boulware Ravens Florida State

1997  2 1 14 14 Reinard Wilson Bengals Florida State

1996 1 1 3 3 Simeon Rice Cardinals Illinois

1996 2 1 5 5 Cedric Jones Giants Oklahoma

1996  3 1 12 12 Regan Upshaw Buccaneers California

Cherry picking the bad DL is like looking at Ryan Leaf et al and ignoring Aikman, Manning, etc. There are plenty of impact DL that have been taken early like Bruce Smith, Reggie White (USFL-but would have gone very early in NFL as well), Richard Seymour, Peppers, etc.

Thats a less than 50% hit rate. What do you think it is for RBs? It's been said before, Dline is the highest bust rate of all positions.

Take a closer look at QBs and WRs.....