Houston Texans sign DE Mario Williams (1 Viewer)

[fatness]

From ESPN 20 minutes ago:

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The Houston Texans have signed North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams to a six-year, $54 million deal, making him the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft Saturday.

Of the $54 million, Williams is guaranteed $26.5 million.

Of course, this is the network that had Donald Driver wanting to be cut yesterday, which wasn't true.

 

[Jmon]

While I'm rooting hard for my Jets , the TITANS would be FOOLS to not draft or trade up for Bush.

Would seem that the Jets have more ammo to deal.

I all ready asked this but what does Tenn have to trade? Jets have TWO 1st rounders.

Using the traditional draft value chart...Jets have the 4th and 29th picks...which equals 2,440 points; whereas the 2nd pick is worth 2,600 points. Not enough to move up, particularly given how special Reggie Bush is perceived to be.

Meanwhile Tennessee has the 3rd pick (2,200 points) and 39th (510 points), which equates to 2,710 points...technically more than enough to move up to 2.

Draft chart aside, I would rather have the 4th and 29th any day, especially since you all ready know that the Titans are taking a QB. YOu also don't have to pay the #4 the same as the #3.

Agreed, if Bush goes at #2 and Tennessee goes a QB, NO gets Ferguson and the 29. At 3, they would get Ferguson and 35.

 

[Texasmouth]

The Saints were talking to Green Bay about Walker right? I wonder if they are on the phone talking a package including Walker, picks and swapping spots?

Probably too fantasy friendly to happen, BUT Javon Walker plus the 5th for the 2nd? That's fairly equivalent value actually.

Means Walker is "worth" the 18th overall this year. Healthy, I would agree, coming off the ACL, respectfully disagree.

I dont even agree with that if he is healthy. For some reason, draft picks have unreal value. Remember, the Seahawks couldn't get a second for SA, the Colts couldn't get a 2nd for Edge....

 

[sib]

Sal Paolantonio reporting that five teams have already called New Orleans re: the Saints 2nd pick.

Jets have been "locked in a room all day figuring out what it would take to get from 4 to 2 in order to grab Reggie Bush."

Paolantonio also saying that the Jets won't have enough to move up to 2 with their 4th and 29th picks, they would have to throw in their 3rd rounder too (71st) and the Jets are unwilling to add that 3rd pick into the mix.

Saints are confident they can get the guy they want A.J. Hawk at 4 or 5.

Other teams inquiring with New Orleans include Arizona, San Francisco, Oakland and an unnamed team (Denver?).

Arizona....damn where did they come from in the Reggie Bush sweepstakes?

 

[Cecil Lammey]

Other teams inquiring with New Orleans include Arizona, San Francisco, Oakland and an unnamed team (Denver?).

Bingo.

 

[Texasmouth]

While I'm rooting hard for my Jets , the TITANS would be FOOLS to not draft or trade up for Bush.

Would seem that the Jets have more ammo to deal.

I all ready asked this but what does Tenn have to trade? Jets have TWO 1st rounders.

Using the traditional draft value chart...Jets have the 4th and 29th picks...which equals 2,440 points; whereas the 2nd pick is worth 2,600 points. Not enough to move up, particularly given how special Reggie Bush is perceived to be.

Meanwhile Tennessee has the 3rd pick (2,200 points) and 39th (510 points), which equates to 2,710 points...technically more than enough to move up to 2.

Draft chart aside, I would rather have the 4th and 29th any day, especially since you all ready know that the Titans are taking a QB. YOu also don't have to pay the #4 the same as the #3.

Agreed, if Bush goes at #2 and Tennessee goes a QB, NO gets Ferguson and the 29. At 3, they would get Ferguson and 35.

Exactly..... and if the reports are right and they want AJ Hawk, they can get him at 4 without question. Maybe Green Bay is sol in love with Hawk that New Orleans could trade again and get D'Brick at five so the packer can get Hawk......I know, doubtful....

 

[gang-wars]

(apologies for the slight arguement highjack....).

At this point Mort broke the story that Mario would be/was signed by the Texans. Now Mort has said Bush would NOT get past the Titans at 3 under any circumstances. Why doubt Mort at this point.

Mort is the man!!!!



(sorry, end slight highjack, carry on).

You're confused. NO trades down, and that person TAKES BUSH. So Bush isn't falling. The point is you can trade down to 4 and still get Brick. Titans aren't going to draft Brick.

So trading down to 3 is pointless, they can go to 4, get more value, and still get their man.

Either you are quoting the wrong reponse, or you aren't making much sense to me.

No one is saying Bush falls to 3. Except you. What people are saying is, if someone trades up to 2 to get Bush, NO can fall to 4 and still get the guy they want, because the Titans are taking a QB.

You mentioned the titans wouldn't take a QB is Bush was there. Obviously if NO is trading out of 2, that person is going to take Bush. So Bush isn't falling to 3, and the Titans will take a QB. So NO at 4 can get Hawk/Brick, whoever they want.

 

[Jason Wood]

The Saints were talking to Green Bay about Walker right?  I wonder if they are on the phone talking a package including Walker, picks and swapping spots?

Probably too fantasy friendly to happen, BUT Javon Walker plus the 5th for the 2nd? That's fairly equivalent value actually.

Means Walker is "worth" the 18th overall this year. Healthy, I would agree, coming off the ACL, respectfully disagree.

Javon Walker is a known commodity, so he's absolutely worth more than the 18th pick. That said, given his health AND the fact that the Packers really can't keep him at this poin (given the tenuous back and forth), I agree this scenario likely wouldn't get the trade done. But it could be a starting point. If the teams swapped picks in another round or two, it could get done.

Something smells here.

Kubiac is no fool. He trained under Shanny.

I can't see any reason Kubiac didn't make some kind of deal.

Why would he NOT trade down to get his player and something else.

I guess the question is: What options do the Texans have now that they have "signed" their pic?

Can they trade their "signed player" tomorrow morning?

(Do I smell a deal between Shanny and Kubiac?)

Gary Kubiak had little to no impact on this decision. Charlie Casserly acknowledged that ultimately he made the call here after hearing spirited input from his coaching staff and fellow personnel execs.

 

[Texasmouth]

49ers are my bet.

Without hijacking this, I don't think so. They really like Gore.

Please tell me you're kidding...San Francisco wouldn't consider Reggie Bush because of FRANK GORE

I dont think this is what he is saying, I think he is saying the 49ers think they are set at that position enough to where it wouldn't be worth it to trade away other picks to move up to get a player, who is far better, but wouldn't fill the 100 other holes they have. Instead they will stay put and get players they need at more than one position where they dont all ready have a starter instead of one position where they all ready have starters.

 

[guderian]

While I'm rooting hard for my Jets , the TITANS would be FOOLS to not draft or trade up for Bush.

Would seem that the Jets have more ammo to deal.

I all ready asked this but what does Tenn have to trade? Jets have TWO 1st rounders.

Using the traditional draft value chart...Jets have the 4th and 29th picks...which equals 2,440 points; whereas the 2nd pick is worth 2,600 points. Not enough to move up, particularly given how special Reggie Bush is perceived to be.

Meanwhile Tennessee has the 3rd pick (2,200 points) and 39th (510 points), which equates to 2,710 points...technically more than enough to move up to 2.

Draft chart aside, I would rather have the 4th and 29th any day, especially since you all ready know that the Titans are taking a QB. YOu also don't have to pay the #4 the same as the #3.

Finally a voice of reason.

Getting the player they want/need at #4 (Ferguson or Hawk) and picking up the #29 (to go along with the #34 they already have) would be a great situation to be in.

 

[Jason Wood]

49ers are my bet.

Without hijacking this, I don't think so. They really like Gore.

Please tell me you're kidding...San Francisco wouldn't consider Reggie Bush because of FRANK GORE

I dont think this is what he is saying, I think he is saying the 49ers think they are set at that position enough to where it wouldn't be worth it to trade away other picks to move up to get a player, who is far better, but wouldn't fill the 100 other holes they have. Instead they will stay put and get players they need at more than one position where they dont all ready have a starter instead of one position where they all ready have starters.

Frank Gore is so far from equaling "set at that position", it's almost as if we're discussing whether the sky is really pink with yellow stripes.

 

[bueno]

Sal Paolantonio reporting that five teams have already called New Orleans re: the Saints 2nd pick.

Jets have been "locked in a room all day figuring out what it would take to get from 4 to 2 in order to grab Reggie Bush."

Paolantonio also saying that the Jets won't have enough to move up to 2 with their 4th and 29th picks, they would have to throw in their 3rd rounder too (71st) and the Jets are unwilling to add that 3rd pick into the mix.

Saints are confident they can get the guy they want A.J. Hawk at 4 or 5.

Other teams inquiring with New Orleans include Arizona, San Francisco, Oakland and an unnamed team (Denver?).

Arizona....damn where did they come from in the Reggie Bush sweepstakes?

Green Bay will snatch up Hawk if he's there, IMO.

 

[ExaltedOne]

There still lies the possibility that one of those teams interested in trading to #2 wants to get Matt Leinart before the Titans do.

 

[Shermanator]

(apologies for the slight arguement highjack....).

At this point Mort broke the story that Mario would be/was signed by the Texans. Now Mort has said Bush would NOT get past the Titans at 3 under any circumstances. Why doubt Mort at this point.

Mort is the man!!!!

       

(sorry, end slight highjack, carry on).

You're confused. NO trades down, and that person TAKES BUSH. So Bush isn't falling. The point is you can trade down to 4 and still get Brick. Titans aren't going to draft Brick.

So trading down to 3 is pointless, they can go to 4, get more value, and still get their man.

Either you are quoting the wrong reponse, or you aren't making much sense to me. 

No one is saying Bush falls to 3. Except you. What people are saying is, if someone trades up to 2 to get Bush, NO can fall to 4 and still get the guy they want, because the Titans are taking a QB.

You mentioned the titans wouldn't take a QB is Bush was there. Obviously if NO is trading out of 2, that person is going to take Bush. So Bush isn't falling to 3, and the Titans will take a QB. So NO at 4 can get Hawk/Brick, whoever they want.

I said Tenn would take Bush at 3. Nothing else.

 

[faede]

The Saints were talking to Green Bay about Walker right?  I wonder if they are on the phone talking a package including Walker, picks and swapping spots?

Probably too fantasy friendly to happen, BUT Javon Walker plus the 5th for the 2nd? That's fairly equivalent value actually.

Means Walker is "worth" the 18th overall this year. Healthy, I would agree, coming off the ACL, respectfully disagree.

Javon Walker is a known commodity, so he's absolutely worth more than the 18th pick. That said, given his health AND the fact that the Packers really can't keep him at this poin (given the tenuous back and forth), I agree this scenario likely wouldn't get the trade done. But it could be a starting point. If the teams swapped picks in another round or two, it could get done.

And again... It was reported by the Boston Globe that New Orleans passed Walker on his physical and were more then happy with it's result.

 

[Raider Nation]

From an article I posted last month about one scout's view of Mario Williams:

I dim the lights and turn on the N.C. State tape of Williams for the 200th time. I am awed. I see a beast who swats away 320-pound blockers as if they were flies. He can pass rush through offensive tackles or go around them. I see a huge, explosive end who will pose matchup problems for many offensive tackles. I see a powerful tackler -- a player who can shed a blocker and make a play against the run. I see rare athleticism for a guy who is 6-7, 295. I see a bigger Julius Peppers.

But I don't like everything I see. I don't see the kind of instincts I look for. I see a lineman who doesn't always read the play correctly. I see a player who needs to develop an inside rush and learn to split double-teams. I see a player who doesn't go the same speed on every down. I see a player who performed unevenly last year and subsequently was pulled from the starting lineup for a game.

I see the physique of an alien and 14½ sacks last season, but I also see a player who, according to a vote by the Atlantic Coast Sports Media Association, was the fourth-best defender in the ACC. Williams received four votes for defensive player of the year, compared with 31 for Maryland linebacker D'Qwell Jackson, 17 for Boston College end Mathias Kiwanuka and 14 for Virginia Tech end Darryl Tapp.

I suppose there are concerns about every player, but Casserly will need to move to another country if Bush indeed turns out to be a Hall of Famer, and Williams is merely average.

 

[Portis 26]

Please tell me you're kidding...San Francisco wouldn't consider Reggie Bush because of FRANK GORE

Not that they wouldn't consider Bush. I'm sure they would. Just that they rate Gore highly enough that their preference would probably be to add an impact player at another position in their current draft slot rather than put together a huge package of picks to trade up and get Bush.I don't get this whole Gore is a bum shtick. He's an incredibly talented back. He was in the same class as Portis, McGahee and James at Miami before he got hurt. Now he's back and if you watch the tape from his games at the end of last season, he was running superbly well.

 

[Simris]

Something smells here.

Kubiac is no fool. He trained under Shanny.

I can't see any reason Kubiac didn't make some kind of deal.

Why would he NOT trade down to get his player and something else.

I guess the question is: What options do the Texans have now that they have "signed" their pic?

Can they trade their "signed player" tomorrow morning?

(Do I smell a deal between Shanny and Kubiac?)

Gary Kubiak had little to no impact on this decision. Charlie Casserly acknowledged that ultimately he made the call here after hearing spirited input from his coaching staff and fellow personnel execs.

Thanks Jason. Didn't know that.Kubiac aside-it was Casserly who missed the added value of a trade down?

Seems foolish to me. Why would he do that?

All he had to do was pick up the phone.

Am I missing something?

 

[Jason Wood]

From an article I posted last month about one scout's view of Mario Williams:

I dim the lights and turn on the N.C. State tape of Williams for the 200th time. I am awed. I see a beast who swats away 320-pound blockers as if they were flies. He can pass rush through offensive tackles or go around them. I see a huge, explosive end who will pose matchup problems for many offensive tackles. I see a powerful tackler -- a player who can shed a blocker and make a play against the run. I see rare athleticism for a guy who is 6-7, 295. I see a bigger Julius Peppers.

But I don't like everything I see. I don't see the kind of instincts I look for. I see a lineman who doesn't always read the play correctly. I see a player who needs to develop an inside rush and learn to split double-teams. I see a player who doesn't go the same speed on every down. I see a player who performed unevenly last year and subsequently was pulled from the starting lineup for a game.

I see the physique of an alien and 14½ sacks last season, but I also see a player who, according to a vote by the Atlantic Coast Sports Media Association, was the fourth-best defender in the ACC. Williams received four votes for defensive player of the year, compared with 31 for Maryland linebacker D'Qwell Jackson, 17 for Boston College end Mathias Kiwanuka and 14 for Virginia Tech end Darryl Tapp.

I suppose there are concerns about every player, but Casserly will need to move to another country if Bush indeed turns out to be a Hall of Famer, and Williams is merely average.

True...but as I pointed out earlier, Ron Wolf said that all six GMs he keeps in touch with had Mario Williams, not Bush, as the top prospect in this year's draft...so I don't think this is as big a stretch as we (fantasy/offense minded) people would like to believe.Certainly from a need standpoint, the Texans could EASILY be a much better team with Williams than Bush in 2006.

 

[Raider Nation]

49ers are my bet.

Without hijacking this, I don't think so. They really like Gore.

Please tell me you're kidding...San Francisco wouldn't consider Reggie Bush because of FRANK GORE

I dont think this is what he is saying, I think he is saying the 49ers think they are set at that position enough to where it wouldn't be worth it to trade away other picks to move up to get a player, who is far better, but wouldn't fill the 100 other holes they have. Instead they will stay put and get players they need at more than one position where they dont all ready have a starter instead of one position where they all ready have starters.

Frank Gore is so far from equaling "set at that position", it's almost as if we're discussing whether the sky is really pink with yellow stripes.

I'm with the other guys. I think Gore will make a VERY solid NFL starter for 6-8 years.

 

[Warhogs]

My guess is Green Bay could get Bush if they wanted to by sending Walker and a a pick (maybe a round 3 this year or next) to swap out. NO could still get probably Hawke (Ferguson probably goes to Jets), Walker and a round 3 for the #2.

Just a thought.

 

[ExaltedOne]

If Houston coveted Mario Williams, then trading down wouldn't work for them. Whoever they traded down with would have taken Bush and New Orleans would have taken Mario Williams. They pretty much had no choice but to take him.

I predict Mario Williams will be a monumental bust.

 

[Texasmouth]

There still lies the possibility that one of those teams interested in trading to #2 wants to get Matt Leinart before the Titans do.

Yeah, I said that earlier, but I still think the price would be too high now that Bush is there too. Is a team willing to give up the picks it would take to get there now that Bush has driven the price up so high?

 

[Jason Wood]

Something smells here.

Kubiac is no fool. He trained under Shanny.

I can't see any reason Kubiac didn't make some kind of deal.

Why would he NOT trade down to get his player and something else.

I guess the question is: What options do the Texans have now that they have "signed" their pic?

Can they trade their "signed player" tomorrow morning?

(Do I smell a deal between Shanny and Kubiac?)

Gary Kubiak had little to no impact on this decision. Charlie Casserly acknowledged that ultimately he made the call here after hearing spirited input from his coaching staff and fellow personnel execs.

Thanks Jason. Didn't know that.Kubiac aside-it was Casserly who missed the added value of a trade down?

Seems foolish to me. Why would he do that?

All he had to do was pick up the phone.

Am I missing something?

Traded down to where? He wanted Williams or Bush...so unless he was going to get New Orleans to move up to 1, trading down would've meant passing on the guy he coveted.

 

[Sidewinder]

And again... It was reported by the Boston Globe that New Orleans passed Walker on his physical and were more then happy with it's result.

Funny, that info was not reported anywhere in New Orleans today - not in the Times-Pic, not on WWL, not on TV...

 

[ExaltedOne]

My guess is Green Bay could get Bush if they wanted to by sending Walker and a a pick (maybe a round 3 this year or next) to swap out. NO could still get probably Hawke (Ferguson probably goes to Jets), Walker and a round 3 for the #2.

Just a thought.

I think Green Bay would be better served staying put, grabbing AJ Hawk or Ferguson, then trading Walker for another receiver or a draft pick to build their depth.

 

[Dr.Cheesenstein]

Texans for LeDale White in 2nd round?

 

[Jason Wood]

49ers are my bet.

Without hijacking this, I don't think so. They really like Gore.

Please tell me you're kidding...San Francisco wouldn't consider Reggie Bush because of FRANK GORE

I dont think this is what he is saying, I think he is saying the 49ers think they are set at that position enough to where it wouldn't be worth it to trade away other picks to move up to get a player, who is far better, but wouldn't fill the 100 other holes they have. Instead they will stay put and get players they need at more than one position where they dont all ready have a starter instead of one position where they all ready have starters.

Frank Gore is so far from equaling "set at that position", it's almost as if we're discussing whether the sky is really pink with yellow stripes.

I'm with the other guys. I think Gore will make a VERY solid NFL starter for 6-8 years.

Lots of guys can be serviceable NFL running backs...but based on a projection/grade prospect, Frank Gore and Reggie Bush are light years apart. Debating otherwise is silly.

 

[myhousekey]

The only catch is that Tenn could choose D'Brick instead of Leinart/Young, or someone could trade up to the #3 to take D'Brick, but neither of those seems likely.

And if that happens the Saints look to trade back again or take Hawk or Davis.

 

[Texasmouth]

Please tell me you're kidding...San Francisco wouldn't consider Reggie Bush because of FRANK GORE

Not that they wouldn't consider Bush. I'm sure they would. Just that they rate Gore highly enough that their preference would probably be to add an impact player at another position in their current draft slot rather than put together a huge package of picks to trade up and get Bush.I don't get this whole Gore is a bum shtick. He's an incredibly talented back. He was in the same class as Portis, McGahee and James at Miami before he got hurt. Now he's back and if you watch the tape from his games at the end of last season, he was running superbly well.

Right, and I dont think anyone is saying that Gore is any where near the talent that Bush is, it has more to do with the rest of the team in my opinion. The 49ers would have to break the bank for a position that they all ready have a guy when they could get three guys at positions they need. Reggie Bush is 10 times better than Frank Gore but Reggie Bush is not ten times better than the TE, Def player and O-lineman that they will get instead in my opinion.

Not to mention, I doubt they would have the cap room to sign another guy with that big of a signing bonus, they just gave Alex Smith 4 billion dollars last year.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Texans for LeDale White in 2nd round?

RB was never a need for the Texans. They were only interested in Bush because he is a once-in-a-lifetime talent. If they pass on an offensive lineman in the second they should be disbanded.

 

[dickey moe]

I freaking HATE the Texans and hope they go down in the anals of the NFL as one of the worst teams of all time.

 

[Texasmouth]

The only catch is that Tenn could choose D'Brick instead of Leinart/Young, or someone could trade up to the #3 to take D'Brick, but neither of those seems likely.

And if that happens the Saints look to trade back again or take Hawk or Davis.

What are the chances the Titans would pass on Lienart or Young for a tackle? Slim to absolutley zero in my opinion.

 

[Warhogs]

My guess is Green Bay could get Bush if they wanted to by sending Walker and a a pick (maybe a round 3 this year or next) to swap out.  NO could still get probably Hawke (Ferguson probably goes to Jets), Walker and a round 3 for the #2.

Just a thought.

I think Green Bay would be better served staying put, grabbing AJ Hawk or Ferguson, then trading Walker for another receiver or a draft pick to build their depth.

I'm not saying that they would not be better off staying put but look at that team next year if Favre and Walker are gone. That offense will need an identity.

 

[whoknew]

While I'm rooting hard for my Jets , the TITANS would be FOOLS to not draft or trade up for Bush.

Would seem that the Jets have more ammo to deal.

I all ready asked this but what does Tenn have to trade? Jets have TWO 1st rounders.

Using the traditional draft value chart...Jets have the 4th and 29th picks...which equals 2,440 points; whereas the 2nd pick is worth 2,600 points. Not enough to move up, particularly given how special Reggie Bush is perceived to be.

Meanwhile Tennessee has the 3rd pick (2,200 points) and 39th (510 points), which equates to 2,710 points...technically more than enough to move up to 2.

Draft chart aside, I would rather have the 4th and 29th any day, especially since you all ready know that the Titans are taking a QB. YOu also don't have to pay the #4 the same as the #3.

You may rather have two first rounders, but history (and Jimmy Johnson) clearly would disagree with you

Way different situation there. We KNOW the Titans are taking a QB. The Saints dont need a QB. The 29th pick is far better than 10 picks later at 39. The 3rd and 4th pick have the smae value in my opinion because the Saints will still get whatever player they want at 4.

We THOUGHT they were taking a QB...because they (and we) thought Reggie Bush wasn't an option. Bush not going to Houston changes everything.

No it doesn't. It isn't like the Titans are taking a RB at three? Bush wont be there. How does that make any sense at all? If they dont get the deal done with NO, they aren't getting Bush. If NO trades with the Jets, the Jets get Bush and your statement holds no water, the Titans would take a QB and the Saints get whoever they want at 4.

What's to stop the Titans from trading down? Why wouldn't they, in fact, for someone who wants D'Brick? There are three quality QBs available. Some teams really want D'Brick.

 

[Sinrman]

Not gonna bother reading the 30830983 replies. Will just say my :

This is a huge shock for most everyone. The last day or two, we all saw reports of the Texans entering negotiations with both Bush and Williams, and likely thought it was just to cause confusion and to drive the price of the 1.01 pick up more. Only way I could see it is Bush was asking for waaaaaaaaaaay too much $$ and the Texans didn't want to go there. DE is a needed position as well for them, and he won't require nearly as much $$, I'm sure.

The Saints will have a field day with taking in trade offers. They are in a wonderful position now...

This is going to be a REALLLLLY fun draft to watch..

 

[Assani Fisher]

Something smells here.

Kubiac is no fool. He trained under Shanny.

I can't see any reason Kubiac didn't make some kind of deal.

Why would he NOT trade down to get his player and something else.

I guess the question is: What options do the Texans have now that they have "signed" their pic?

Can they trade their "signed player" tomorrow morning?

(Do I smell a deal between Shanny and Kubiac?)

Because if both the Texans and N.O. had Mario as #1 on their board, then theres no way he could've traded down.

 

[EBF]

Very interesting development. I don't even know what to say. I still think Casserly is an idiot, but that's old news. I'm surprised he still has a job after seeing how he's done "building" this franchise for the past few years. Aside from maybe Andre Johnson and Domanick Davis, he's never really made a good draft pick for the Texans.

Williams is a beast and worthy of a top three pick, but I think passing on Reggie was a mistake.

Anyhow, I'm curious to see what happens with Bush. The Niner fan in me hopes the team can move up an snag him at #2.

 

[whoknew]

  The only catch is that Tenn could choose D'Brick instead of Leinart/Young, or someone could trade up to the #3 to take D'Brick, but neither of those seems likely.

And if that happens the Saints look to trade back again or take Hawk or Davis.

What are the chances the Titans would pass on Lienart or Young for a tackle? Slim to absolutley zero in my opinion.

Why is it unlikely that TN will trade down?

 

[Texasmouth]

Texans for LeDale White in 2nd round?

RB was never a need for the Texans. They were only interested in Bush because he is a once-in-a-lifetime talent. If they pass on an offensive lineman in the second they should be disbanded.

Two great statements here. The Texans can get a great offensive lineman in the second round because the draft is so deep.I also think they are set at RB, especially with Kubiak there. Dom Davis is just fine in my opinion. Carr will be better and now the defense has something to build around.

 

[Dave Baker]

It's hard to go wrong with choosing someone like Mario Williams, but I think they'll live to regret this one.

 

[Billy1x]

NFL Network reporting the Texans want a RB and DE. The best combo was to take Mario and trade up to get one of the top RBs. Stay tuned as that will shake up the RBs near the end of the 1st round.

 

[JAA]

How many GMs were at some five star restaraunt in NYC when their Blackberry started blowing up.

Seriously, do most teams sit in their war room on Friday night??

Serious question.

I was at a dinner party when my BB started blowing up and I had no one to talk to about it :(

 

[Jason Wood]

Hold your horses Dom Davis lovers...Adam Schefter was just on NFL Total Access and said he spoke with Bob McNair (Texans owner) who told him they had two scenarios...

1) Draft Reggie Bush and then take a pass-rushing end at the top of the 2nd

2) Draft Mario Williams and then take a RB at the top of the 2nd

Schefter went on to say the Texans are already making inquiries with teams to move into the bottom of the 1st round to select a RB, too.

 

[Texasmouth]

While I'm rooting hard for my Jets , the TITANS would be FOOLS to not draft or trade up for Bush.

Would seem that the Jets have more ammo to deal.

I all ready asked this but what does Tenn have to trade? Jets have TWO 1st rounders.

Using the traditional draft value chart...Jets have the 4th and 29th picks...which equals 2,440 points; whereas the 2nd pick is worth 2,600 points. Not enough to move up, particularly given how special Reggie Bush is perceived to be.

Meanwhile Tennessee has the 3rd pick (2,200 points) and 39th (510 points), which equates to 2,710 points...technically more than enough to move up to 2.

Draft chart aside, I would rather have the 4th and 29th any day, especially since you all ready know that the Titans are taking a QB. YOu also don't have to pay the #4 the same as the #3.

You may rather have two first rounders, but history (and Jimmy Johnson) clearly would disagree with you

Way different situation there. We KNOW the Titans are taking a QB. The Saints dont need a QB. The 29th pick is far better than 10 picks later at 39. The 3rd and 4th pick have the smae value in my opinion because the Saints will still get whatever player they want at 4.

We THOUGHT they were taking a QB...because they (and we) thought Reggie Bush wasn't an option. Bush not going to Houston changes everything.

No it doesn't. It isn't like the Titans are taking a RB at three? Bush wont be there. How does that make any sense at all? If they dont get the deal done with NO, they aren't getting Bush. If NO trades with the Jets, the Jets get Bush and your statement holds no water, the Titans would take a QB and the Saints get whoever they want at 4.

What's to stop the Titans from trading down? Why wouldn't they, in fact, for someone who wants D'Brick? There are three quality QBs available. Some teams really want D'Brick.

I guess we will have to see. I think a lot of teams might be thinking D'brick will fall to them now. Not sure if Tenn will get any great offers to move up.....we will have to see though, you could be right....

 

[Don Quixote]

I'm with the other guys.

I think Gore will make a VERY solid NFL starter for 6-8 years.

Bit of a difference between "very solid NFL starter" and "the next Gale Sayers."

 

[Texasmouth]

How many GMs were at some five star restaraunt in NYC when their Blackberry started blowing up.

Seriously, do most teams sit in their war room on Friday night??

Serious question.

I was at a dinner party when my BB started blowing up and I had no one to talk to about it :(

I know the feeling, just my wife was here and I told her the whole situation. She said "Why would a team pass up on a guy if he is supposed to be the next Barry Sanders?"How prophetic.....

 

[dickey moe]

I'm with the other guys.

I think Gore will make a VERY solid NFL starter for 6-8 years.

Bit of a difference between "very solid NFL starter" and "the next Gale Sayers."

One of those is proven and one isn't.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Hold your horses Dom Davis lovers...Adam Schefter was just on NFL Total Access and said he spoke with Bob McNair (Texans owner) who told him they had two scenarios...

1) Draft Reggie Bush and then take a pass-rushing end at the top of the 2nd

2) Draft Mario Williams and then take a RB at the top of the 2nd

Schefter went on to say the Texans are already making inquiries with teams to move into the bottom of the 1st round to select a RB, too.

Have they not realised that their running backs are not the problem? Hell they have one of the most prolific runningbacks over the last 3 years! Their offensive line can run block just fine, but they just resigned Statue Man to a big contract and they aren't going to take one of those 1st-round graded offensive linemen in the second??? If I were a Texans fan I'd be cancelling my season tickets.

 

[whoknew]

What's to stop the Titans from trading down? Why wouldn't they, in fact, for someone who wants D'Brick? There are three quality QBs available. Some teams really want D'Brick.

I guess we will have to see. I think a lot of teams might be thinking D'brick will fall to them now. Not sure if Tenn will get any great offers to move up.....we will have to see though, you could be right....

Seems to me that this not only puts NO in a great spot, it puts TN in a great spot, too. This assumes, of course, that someone in the top 10 or 15 would be willing to trade up for a potential franchise tackle.