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How Belichick wins with spare parts (1 Viewer)

Chase Stuart

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http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01...th-spare-parts/

If the high-powered Patriots win the Super Bowl, they’ll do it with the least-acclaimed skill position players of any champion based on draft status.

Tom Brady, the presumptive M.V.P. winner this year, was the 199th pick in the 2000 draft. The Patriots’ leading rusher, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, wasn’t drafted. Neither was their leading receiver, Wes Welker. Danny Woodhead ranks just behind Green-Ellis in yards from scrimmage but he wasn’t one of the 23 running backs selected in the 2008 draft. The rookie tight end Rob Gronkowski, who caught 10 touchdown passes, qualifies as a superstar by Patriots standards: he was the 42nd pick in last April’s draft. Of New England’s eight most productive offensive skill position players — Brady, Green-Ellis, Woodhead, Welker, Deion Branch, Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez and Brandon Tate — only Gronkowski was a top-60 draft pick.

Compare that with the Patriots’ opponent Sunday, the Jets. Mark Sanchez and LaDainian Tomlinson, the quarterback and the team leader in yards, were the fifth picks in their respective drafts. The leading receiver, Braylon Edwards, was the third pick in the ‘05 draft. Dustin Keller and Santonio Holmes, Sanchez’s favorite two targets during various stretches, were first-round picks. And with Nick Mangold, D’Brickashaw Ferguson and Damien Woody on the offensive line, the Jets can count three more offensive players with first-round pedigrees. The Patriots dominated the Jets in Foxborough in early December, and are the clear Goliath in the division-round showdown with the Jets this week. But based on draft slots, it’s New England’s offense that resembles David.

I was curious to see how New England’s offensive skill position players stacked up against the 44 Super Bowl champions with respect to draft pedigree. Here’s what I did:

* I went through every Super Bowl champion and gave each player an offensive grade by assigning one point for every passing, rushing or receiving yard, and 20 points for every passing touchdown, rushing touchdown and receiving touchdown. Then I calculated what percentage of his team’s total “points” each player scored. For example, Brett Favre (1996), Peyton Manning (2006) and Tom Brady (2003) each produced 42% of their team’s points using this system, the most among all players. Joe Namath accounted for 35% of the points scored by the ‘68 Jets while Plaxico Burress scored 12.5% of the “points” scored by the 2007 Giants (regular-season numbers, only). Now we have a rough measure of what percentage of the offense was produced by which player.

* Measuring draft value is a bit trickier. You can’t use actual draft slots, because draft value is non-linear. The difference between the first and the 10th picks is much larger than the difference between the 101st and 110th picks. I dealt with this problem three years ago by creating a draft value chart. The full explanation is available at the link, but my system measures the actual production by players at each slot for a 30-year period, then assigns value to each slot based on such production. This makes the 10th pick about twice as valuable as the 58th pick, and the 36th pick around twice as important as the 110th pick. This chart closely resembles how teams actually value draft picks.

* Then, for each player for each Super Bowl champion, I assigned the corresponding value relative to his actual draft slot, with a minimum value given to undrafted players. From there, the last step was to multiply each player’s percentage of team points by his draft value to get a grade for each team that represents how highly drafted its best players were. This gives a weighted value, based on production and draft slot, that measures precisely what we want to know.

The results aren’t surprising — nor should they be. I’m not trying to reinvent the wheel, but rather come up with a more objective way to describe what generations of football fans have observed. For example, the ‘92 and ‘93 Cowboys’ skill players come in as the “most highly drafted” among Super Bowl champs, with the (weighted) average player essentially being equivalent to the eighth pick in the draft. The quarterback, Troy Aikman, was the first pick in the 1989 draft. The No. 1 receiver, Michael Irvin, was the 11th pick in the previous draft, while the #2 wideout (Alvin Harper) was taken by Dallas with the 12th pick in the ‘91 draft. The running back, Emmitt Smith, was chosen by the Cowboys with the 17th pick the year after Dallas took Aikman. Aikman, as quarterback, gets the most weight, and that’s what brings the Cowboys’ average up to the 8th slot.

The ‘06 Colts are third, with QB Peyton Manning (1st over all in 1998), two first-round wide receivers in Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne, a first-round running back (Joseph Addai) and a first-round tight end (Dallas Clark). The ‘95 Cowboys come in fourth.

The least-acclaimed offenses belong to the ‘03 and ‘04 Patriots. Perhaps a bit more surprising? The 1991 Redskins, one of the most dominating teams in N.F.L. history, are also in the bottom three. Quarterback Mark Rypien was a sixth-round pick in the 1986 draft. The Redskins had two former first-round receivers in Art Monk and Ricky Sanders, but it was Gary Clark, the 55th pick in the 1984 supplemental draft, who led the team in receiving yards and receiving touchdowns. Earnest Byner led the team in rushing yards, but he was the 280th selection in 1984.

The table below shows the full list of Super Bowl champions, along with which draft pick best corresponds to the weighted average (based on production) of the actual draft picks of the offensive skill position players:
Tables and rest of quote available here.
 
So what your saying is that the Pats are terrible at early round draft picks?

If not for the luckiest 6th round pick ever -Tom Brady, Im not sure anyone else would even matter

 
Here's another good one. The current Pats roster has 21 players that went undrafted.
The Patriots and the Packers have a knack for finding diamonds in the rough.
They seem to be good from rounds 4 on, and getting cast offs from other teams. As a Pats fan, I wish they'd hit on rounds 1-3 a little more. Gotten better the last couple years, but seems like they wiff more than they should on the first few players that they draft. (esp. for a team that hordes the picks like they do)
 
So what your saying is that the Pats are terrible at early round draft picks? If not for the luckiest 6th round pick ever -Tom Brady, Im not sure anyone else would even matter
2001: Richard Seymour (1st), Matt Light (2nd)2002: Daniel Graham (1st - MISS), Deion Branch (last pick of 2nd)2003: Ty Warren (1st), Eugene Wilson (2nd - MISS), Bethyl Johnson (2nd - MISS)2004: Vince Wilfork (1st), Ben Watson (1st, good for Browns), Marquis Hill (2nd - RIP)2005: Logan Mankins (1st)2006: Laurence Maroney (1st - MISS)2007: Brandon Meriwether (1st)2008: Jerod Mayo (1st), Terrence Wheatly (2nd - MISS)2009: Patrick Chung (2nd), Ron Brace (2nd), Darius Butler (2nd - MISS), Sebastian Vollmer (2nd)2010: Devin McCourty (1st), Rob Gronkowski (2nd), Brandon Spikes (2nd), Jermaine Cunningham (2nd)That looks like pretty solid early round drafting to me
 
Very interesting stuff. I thought, before clicking into the thread, that Chase was setting up for a bit of schtick, with the thread title and his known disdain for the Pats. So this analysis was a pleasant surprise. :angry:

 
So what your saying is that the Pats are terrible at early round draft picks? If not for the luckiest 6th round pick ever -Tom Brady, Im not sure anyone else would even matter
2001: Richard Seymour (1st), Matt Light (2nd)2002: Daniel Graham (1st - MISS), Deion Branch (last pick of 2nd)2003: Ty Warren (1st), Eugene Wilson (2nd - MISS), Bethyl Johnson (2nd - MISS)2004: Vince Wilfork (1st), Ben Watson (1st, good for Browns), Marquis Hill (2nd - RIP)2005: Logan Mankins (1st)2006: Laurence Maroney (1st - MISS)2007: Brandon Meriwether (1st)2008: Jerod Mayo (1st), Terrence Wheatly (2nd - MISS)2009: Patrick Chung (2nd), Ron Brace (2nd), Darius Butler (2nd - MISS), Sebastian Vollmer (2nd)2010: Devin McCourty (1st), Rob Gronkowski (2nd), Brandon Spikes (2nd), Jermaine Cunningham (2nd)That looks like pretty solid early round drafting to me
:tfp: Whole lot of good players on that list... About as good a track record as you could hope for as a fan.
 
So what your saying is that the Pats are terrible at early round draft picks? If not for the luckiest 6th round pick ever -Tom Brady, Im not sure anyone else would even matter
2001: Richard Seymour (1st), Matt Light (2nd)2002: Daniel Graham (1st - MISS), Deion Branch (last pick of 2nd)2003: Ty Warren (1st), Eugene Wilson (2nd - MISS), Bethyl Johnson (2nd - MISS)2004: Vince Wilfork (1st), Ben Watson (1st, good for Browns), Marquis Hill (2nd - RIP)2005: Logan Mankins (1st)2006: Laurence Maroney (1st - MISS)2007: Brandon Meriwether (1st)2008: Jerod Mayo (1st), Terrence Wheatly (2nd - MISS)2009: Patrick Chung (2nd), Ron Brace (2nd), Darius Butler (2nd - MISS), Sebastian Vollmer (2nd)2010: Devin McCourty (1st), Rob Gronkowski (2nd), Brandon Spikes (2nd), Jermaine Cunningham (2nd)That looks like pretty solid early round drafting to me
I would not consider Graham a miss. He was one of the best blocking TEs in the league and was not ever a frequent target in the passing game. Similarly, it's way too early to call Butler a miss. I also count Welker as a hit, as they traded a second for him and that worked out pretty well.
 
So what your saying is that the Pats are terrible at early round draft picks? If not for the luckiest 6th round pick ever -Tom Brady, Im not sure anyone else would even matter
2001: Richard Seymour (1st), Matt Light (2nd)2002: Daniel Graham (1st - MISS), Deion Branch (last pick of 2nd)2003: Ty Warren (1st), Eugene Wilson (2nd - MISS), Bethyl Johnson (2nd - MISS)2004: Vince Wilfork (1st), Ben Watson (1st, good for Browns), Marquis Hill (2nd - RIP)2005: Logan Mankins (1st)2006: Laurence Maroney (1st - MISS)2007: Brandon Meriwether (1st)2008: Jerod Mayo (1st), Terrence Wheatly (2nd - MISS)2009: Patrick Chung (2nd), Ron Brace (2nd), Darius Butler (2nd - MISS), Sebastian Vollmer (2nd)2010: Devin McCourty (1st), Rob Gronkowski (2nd), Brandon Spikes (2nd), Jermaine Cunningham (2nd)That looks like pretty solid early round drafting to me
I would not consider Graham a miss. He was one of the best blocking TEs in the league and was not ever a frequent target in the passing game. Similarly, it's way too early to call Butler a miss. I also count Welker as a hit, as they traded a second for him and that worked out pretty well.
While I may agree that Graham was an elite run blocking TE, I still feel that is a waste of a pick to use a 1st rounder for a skill position with limited ability
 
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More credit needs to go to Tom Brady IMHO.

Guy seems to make the right decision and the right throw almost every play...that covers up a lot of personnel shortcomings.

 
Which of these statements make the most sense when it comes to these Patriots?

A. The Patriots have a great eye for talent when it comes to skill position players.

B. The Patriots excel at developing skill position players.

C. Football is a game of blocking and tackling and skill position players are overrated.

D. The Patriots are winning in spite of lack of talent at and a lack of production from the skill position players.

 
Which of these statements make the most sense when it comes to these Patriots?A. The Patriots have a great eye for talent when it comes to skill position players. B. The Patriots excel at developing skill position players. C. Football is a game of blocking and tackling and skill position players are overrated. D. The Patriots are winning in spite of lack of talent at and a lack of production from the skill position players.
A. When it comes to finding guys who will thrive in the roles they want them for. One of Belichicks greatest strenghts as a coach, is putting guys in position to maximize their ability.
 
Which of these statements make the most sense when it comes to these Patriots?A. The Patriots have a great eye for talent when it comes to skill position players. B. The Patriots excel at developing skill position players. C. Football is a game of blocking and tackling and skill position players are overrated. D. The Patriots are winning in spite of lack of talent at and a lack of production from the skill position players.
A. When it comes to finding guys who will thrive in the roles they want them for. One of Belichicks greatest strenghts as a coach, is putting guys in position to maximize their ability.
I'd add E. The Patriots coaching staff is the most flexible of any in the NFL, and is capable of adapting the playbook on both sides of the ball to fit the skillset of the players they have. Then, I'd add...F. A, C, and E
 
Which of these statements make the most sense when it comes to these Patriots?A. The Patriots have a great eye for talent when it comes to skill position players. B. The Patriots excel at developing skill position players. C. Football is a game of blocking and tackling and skill position players are overrated. D. The Patriots are winning in spite of lack of talent at and a lack of production from the skill position players.
A. When it comes to finding guys who will thrive in the roles they want them for. One of Belichicks greatest strenghts as a coach, is putting guys in position to maximize their ability.
I'd add E. The Patriots coaching staff is the most flexible of any in the NFL, and is capable of adapting the playbook on both sides of the ball to fit the skillset of the players they have. Then, I'd add...F. A, C, and E
New England has a specific system and they fit specific skills into that system. The players that NE deem valuable are often not so valuable to other teams.It's exactly why you'll never see them just take "the best available athelete" and try to fit a square peg in a round hole.It's also why NOBODY ever can predict what New England will do with their draft picks and why trading down makes so much sense.KY
 
Which of these statements make the most sense when it comes to these Patriots?A. The Patriots have a great eye for talent when it comes to skill position players. B. The Patriots excel at developing skill position players. C. Football is a game of blocking and tackling and skill position players are overrated. D. The Patriots are winning in spite of lack of talent at and a lack of production from the skill position players.
A. When it comes to finding guys who will thrive in the roles they want them for. One of Belichicks greatest strenghts as a coach, is putting guys in position to maximize their ability.
I'd add E. The Patriots coaching staff is the most flexible of any in the NFL, and is capable of adapting the playbook on both sides of the ball to fit the skillset of the players they have. Then, I'd add...F. A, C, and E
New England has a specific system and they fit specific skills into that system. The players that NE deem valuable are often not so valuable to other teams.It's exactly why you'll never see them just take "the best available athelete" and try to fit a square peg in a round hole.It's also why NOBODY ever can predict what New England will do with their draft picks and why trading down makes so much sense.KY
Belichick loves great athletes. Look at Gary Guyton - the guy was an UDFA linebacker who ran a 4.4 forty at the combine at 245 pounds. BB coached him up and now he's a very good coverage linebacker and has been improving in all areas. BB takes 'em and coaches 'em up .
 
Which of these statements make the most sense when it comes to these Patriots?A. The Patriots have a great eye for talent when it comes to skill position players. B. The Patriots excel at developing skill position players. C. Football is a game of blocking and tackling and skill position players are overrated. D. The Patriots are winning in spite of lack of talent at and a lack of production from the skill position players.
A. When it comes to finding guys who will thrive in the roles they want them for. One of Belichicks greatest strenghts as a coach, is putting guys in position to maximize their ability.
I'd add E. The Patriots coaching staff is the most flexible of any in the NFL, and is capable of adapting the playbook on both sides of the ball to fit the skillset of the players they have. Then, I'd add...F. A, C, and E
New England has a specific system and they fit specific skills into that system. The players that NE deem valuable are often not so valuable to other teams.It's exactly why you'll never see them just take "the best available athelete" and try to fit a square peg in a round hole.It's also why NOBODY ever can predict what New England will do with their draft picks and why trading down makes so much sense.KY
I disagree that NE has a specific system. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they are the least attached to a system as any team in the NFL. Their "system", especially on offense, is to utilize personnel groupings & formations to create favorable matchups. Over the past few years, they've been, at times, a short pass, west-coast style attack, a power running attack, a vertical passing attack. It often changes week to week. This season was remarkable in the shift in offensive philosophy from the 1st 4 weeks ( with Moss ) and the rest of the season. At this time, I'd best describe the Patriots system as "Create matchups & trust Brady to make the right decision" The rest of what you say is true. There is a certain type of player that the Patriots go after, and it is not based solely on measurables. They tend to like players with diverse skills, can play multiple positions, have a high football IQ, and that are "coachable", although with the success they've had over the past decade certainly makes it easier to have your young players buy in to the "Patriot Way"
 
kyoun1e said:
New England has a specific system and they fit specific skills into that system.

The players that NE deem valuable are often not so valuable to other teams.

It's exactly why you'll never see them just take "the best available athelete" and try to fit a square peg in a round hole.

It's also why NOBODY ever can predict what New England will do with their draft picks and why trading down makes so much sense.

KY
its like the exact opposite of bolded. though, indeed they dont " try to fit a square peg in a round hole." instead they adapt the hole.

looking over their early draft picks, the maroney pick really sticks out as an outlier in the types of the players they draft. patriots do not value the rb position highly, and maroney wasnt exactly a freak athlete.

 
scrumptrulescent said:
David Yudkin said:
Here's another good one. The current Pats roster has 21 players that went undrafted.
The Patriots and the Packers have a knack for finding diamonds in the rough.
Belichick prefers the rough. He thinks the rough makes the rough rougher. And, perhaps more importantly, Belichick knows that he can use that past rough to motivate those players. He reminds them that they're the perennial underdog -- undrafted & undersized. As a result, he gets most of his players to play at a level higher than even they expected.
 
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Road Warriors said:
I disagree that NE has a specific system. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they are the least attached to a system as any team in the NFL. Their "system", especially on offense, is to utilize personnel groupings & formations to create favorable matchups. Over the past few years, they've been, at times, a short pass, west-coast style attack, a power running attack, a vertical passing attack. It often changes week to week. This season was remarkable in the shift in offensive philosophy from the 1st 4 weeks ( with Moss ) and the rest of the season.
I'd disagree that they don't have a system... in fact what you describe IS a system. Their system is PRIMARILY a short pass attack WITH a power running game. Rarely are they a vertical attack passing system, and when they do, it's out of the short passing game setup that they do it. It's a very high percentage passing system.When you actually look at the numbers, the system didn't change much when Moss was there and when Branch replaced him.

 
Road Warriors said:
I disagree that NE has a specific system. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they are the least attached to a system as any team in the NFL. Their "system", especially on offense, is to utilize personnel groupings & formations to create favorable matchups. Over the past few years, they've been, at times, a short pass, west-coast style attack, a power running attack, a vertical passing attack. It often changes week to week. This season was remarkable in the shift in offensive philosophy from the 1st 4 weeks ( with Moss ) and the rest of the season.
I'd disagree that they don't have a system... in fact what you describe IS a system. Their system is PRIMARILY a short pass attack WITH a power running game. Rarely are they a vertical attack passing system, and when they do, it's out of the short passing game setup that they do it. It's a very high percentage passing system.When you actually look at the numbers, the system didn't change much when Moss was there and when Branch replaced him.
But numbers can be misleading, and when you've watched enough of the Patriots you can see that there's a lot of merit to what Road Warriors is saying. The Jets better be prepared this weekend because the last time these two teams met the Pats started with 19 different formations on their first 24 plays. That's a lot to consider, and it varies from week-to-week (the Road Warriors' point). Gronkowski or Henandez, which do you account for while maintaining a pass rush? Woodhead, Welker, and/or Branch in an openfield mismatch against a linebacker, who do you like? These are the problems Belichick creates with his "spare parts".

 
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Road Warriors said:
I disagree that NE has a specific system. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they are the least attached to a system as any team in the NFL. Their "system", especially on offense, is to utilize personnel groupings & formations to create favorable matchups. Over the past few years, they've been, at times, a short pass, west-coast style attack, a power running attack, a vertical passing attack. It often changes week to week. This season was remarkable in the shift in offensive philosophy from the 1st 4 weeks ( with Moss ) and the rest of the season.
I'd disagree that they don't have a system... in fact what you describe IS a system. Their system is PRIMARILY a short pass attack WITH a power running game. Rarely are they a vertical attack passing system, and when they do, it's out of the short passing game setup that they do it. It's a very high percentage passing system.When you actually look at the numbers, the system didn't change much when Moss was there and when Branch replaced him.
I'd have to agree with that, and I don't agree with switz often.Moss' presence actually forced BB away from his system. Forced decisions to be made differently. Now he's back to his roots with the short passing game...which has been the core of their offensive strength for years.

I think every player on offense has a primary role, but because they are position flexible it opens the door for some unique offensive opportunties, formations, etc. That said, these opportunities are run off the core of what they fundamentally want to do.

KY

 
Surprised the Saints aren't closer to the bottom. The only 1st rounder to start on offense last season was Shockey. Perhaps he's including Bush instead of Thomas, which would certainly skew the numbers.

 
Road Warriors said:
I disagree that NE has a specific system. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they are the least attached to a system as any team in the NFL. Their "system", especially on offense, is to utilize personnel groupings & formations to create favorable matchups. Over the past few years, they've been, at times, a short pass, west-coast style attack, a power running attack, a vertical passing attack. It often changes week to week. This season was remarkable in the shift in offensive philosophy from the 1st 4 weeks ( with Moss ) and the rest of the season.
I'd disagree that they don't have a system... in fact what you describe IS a system. Their system is PRIMARILY a short pass attack WITH a power running game. Rarely are they a vertical attack passing system, and when they do, it's out of the short passing game setup that they do it. It's a very high percentage passing system.When you actually look at the numbers, the system didn't change much when Moss was there and when Branch replaced him.
I'd have to agree with that, and I don't agree with switz often.Moss' presence actually forced BB away from his system. Forced decisions to be made differently. Now he's back to his roots with the short passing game...which has been the core of their offensive strength for years.

I think every player on offense has a primary role, but because they are position flexible it opens the door for some unique offensive opportunties, formations, etc. That said, these opportunities are run off the core of what they fundamentally want to do.

KY
Wow, you guys should watch more than 2 Patriots games a year, imo. In 2007, the Patriots were absolutely a vertical passing team - Donte Stallworth & Randy Moss were constantly blasting by defenders while Welker took the place of the running game. The Patriots ran almost exclusively draws, as they used the pass to set up the run, and used tons of play action. Now, the Patriots don't use play action quite as much (at least this season) even though their running game is better. Why? Because of the number of quick pass scenarios, BB wants to give Brady as much time as he needs to determine what defensive formation he's facing on the field and let him make a decision. Back in 2007, Brady didn't have to rely on his cerebral aspects quite as much as he does now since his WRs were so dominant that they would just make a play for him. Now, he has to comprehend the scenarios put before him and has to have every second to have everything (his mechanics, vision, etc) in sync.
 
Graham was definitely a miss. You don't spend a 1st round pick on a blocking TE. Graham was a very unreliable pass catcher in New England.

 
Definitely a great way to analyze the super bowl teams.

However, Brady, having the highest % of offensive production, and being such a late pick, is essentially controlling the data. If he was a 2nd round pick, those numbers change drastically.

 
scrumptrulescent said:
David Yudkin said:
Here's another good one. The current Pats roster has 21 players that went undrafted.
The Patriots and the Packers have a knack for finding diamonds in the rough.
Belichick prefers the rough. He thinks the rough makes the rough rougher. And, perhaps more importantly, Belichick knows that he can use that past rough to motivate those players. He reminds them that they're the perennial underdog -- undrafted & undersized. As a result, he gets most of his players to play at a level higher than even they expected.
I think this may be an element that plays into it. I read in an article where Brady said he has only very recently gotten over the fact he was a 6th round pick and passed on by the whole league 5 times over - he said it was very motivating and made him work his ### off to prove everyone else wrong.
 
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Road Warriors said:
I disagree that NE has a specific system. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they are the least attached to a system as any team in the NFL. Their "system", especially on offense, is to utilize personnel groupings & formations to create favorable matchups. Over the past few years, they've been, at times, a short pass, west-coast style attack, a power running attack, a vertical passing attack. It often changes week to week. This season was remarkable in the shift in offensive philosophy from the 1st 4 weeks ( with Moss ) and the rest of the season.
I'd disagree that they don't have a system... in fact what you describe IS a system. Their system is PRIMARILY a short pass attack WITH a power running game. Rarely are they a vertical attack passing system, and when they do, it's out of the short passing game setup that they do it. It's a very high percentage passing system.When you actually look at the numbers, the system didn't change much when Moss was there and when Branch replaced him.
I view a system as a team that runs a particular type of offense regardless of the opposition, regardless of the players available. A large number of NFL coaches have a system, and generally will continue to run it whether they have the right type of player for it. If you watched the games this year with Moss and without, you couldn't be more wrong that the system ( as you call it ) didn't change. The plays, formations and route combinations have drastically changed from the first four games of the year. Some of that is due to the rookie TE becoming more familiar with the playbook and having larger roles, some of it due to the precise routes that Branch can run when healthy, some of it due to no WR having average to above average deep ball skills. What you call a system, I call an exceptional ability to devise gameplans that expose opposition weaknesses and exploit the skills of the players they have available to their fullest. I guess that's a system, of a sort.

 
Road Warriors said:
I disagree that NE has a specific system. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they are the least attached to a system as any team in the NFL. Their "system", especially on offense, is to utilize personnel groupings & formations to create favorable matchups. Over the past few years, they've been, at times, a short pass, west-coast style attack, a power running attack, a vertical passing attack. It often changes week to week. This season was remarkable in the shift in offensive philosophy from the 1st 4 weeks ( with Moss ) and the rest of the season.
I'd disagree that they don't have a system... in fact what you describe IS a system. Their system is PRIMARILY a short pass attack WITH a power running game. Rarely are they a vertical attack passing system, and when they do, it's out of the short passing game setup that they do it. It's a very high percentage passing system.When you actually look at the numbers, the system didn't change much when Moss was there and when Branch replaced him.
When you look at the numbers, you see that TE's accounted for 1150+ yards and 18 TD's this year playing two rookies and a great role model, but physically limited Crumpler. They played 2 and 3 TE's regularly, with Brady often under center. Compare that 07, when Brady threw for 50 TD's and 4800 yards. THe TE position got got 475 yards and 10 td's. Still the same system/philosophy?
 
The Patriots do whiff on some picks but nobody hits on them all. even the steelers get a limas sweed/ricardo colcough thrown in there time to time.
The drafting brilliance comes in the draft day trades that net a higher volume of picks and future picks. Volume increases odds and they're the best at it.
 
#5 and #6 from the bottom are the 81 and 84 Niners. No disagreement here, Montana carried those squads, even though unschooled fans seem to think Montana had loaded squads like Young needed to win in 94.

I still hold that the 81 team was the weakest to win a SB.

Nice job, Chase.

 
TMQ frequently makes the point that late-round picks and UFDAs are less likely to carry prima donna attitudes, and are more willing to be "coached" and to buy into the team concept.

 
So what your saying is that the Pats are terrible at early round draft picks? If not for the luckiest 6th round pick ever -Tom Brady, Im not sure anyone else would even matter
2001: Richard Seymour (1st), Matt Light (2nd)2002: Daniel Graham (1st - MISS), Deion Branch (last pick of 2nd)2003: Ty Warren (1st), Eugene Wilson (2nd - MISS), Bethyl Johnson (2nd - MISS)2004: Vince Wilfork (1st), Ben Watson (1st, good for Browns), Marquis Hill (2nd - RIP)2005: Logan Mankins (1st)2006: Laurence Maroney (1st - MISS)2007: Brandon Meriwether (1st)2008: Jerod Mayo (1st), Terrence Wheatly (2nd - MISS)2009: Patrick Chung (2nd), Ron Brace (2nd), Darius Butler (2nd - MISS), Sebastian Vollmer (2nd)2010: Devin McCourty (1st), Rob Gronkowski (2nd), Brandon Spikes (2nd), Jermaine Cunningham (2nd)That looks like pretty solid early round drafting to me
I would not consider Graham a miss. He was one of the best blocking TEs in the league and was not ever a frequent target in the passing game. Similarly, it's way too early to call Butler a miss. I also count Welker as a hit, as they traded a second for him and that worked out pretty well.
Do you really go around drafting blocking TE's in the first, though? My impression was that Graham was expected to have that Hernandez/Gronk impact (in one player) but never quite delivered. Since '02 was some time ago, I could be hazy on that, though. But the argument is that if Hernandez and Gronk can make the TE position in NE both real life and fantasy relevent, why couldn't Graham?I think Maroney probably taints the reputation unfairly. Plus there were the WR's that never panned out even though they weren't always early rounders. Offensive skill positions taken in the early rounds tend to get attention while defensive early rounders don't get near the hype (and were completely ignored in the study).Also, giving LT 2010 the same comparative value as you would LT 2005 strikes me as a bit simplistic. Doesn't anyone think that LT 2005 on this Jets team in 2010 would be having a bigger impact?It's an interesting question, and I do think that BB should get a lot of credit for being able to get impressive offensive production out of cast-offs and late round finds.
 
So what your saying is that the Pats are terrible at early round draft picks? If not for the luckiest 6th round pick ever -Tom Brady, Im not sure anyone else would even matter
2001: Richard Seymour (1st), Matt Light (2nd)2002: Daniel Graham (1st - MISS), Deion Branch (last pick of 2nd)2003: Ty Warren (1st), Eugene Wilson (2nd - MISS), Bethyl Johnson (2nd - MISS)2004: Vince Wilfork (1st), Ben Watson (1st, good for Browns), Marquis Hill (2nd - RIP)2005: Logan Mankins (1st)2006: Laurence Maroney (1st - MISS)2007: Brandon Meriwether (1st)2008: Jerod Mayo (1st), Terrence Wheatly (2nd - MISS)2009: Patrick Chung (2nd), Ron Brace (2nd), Darius Butler (2nd - MISS), Sebastian Vollmer (2nd)2010: Devin McCourty (1st), Rob Gronkowski (2nd), Brandon Spikes (2nd), Jermaine Cunningham (2nd)That looks like pretty solid early round drafting to me
I would not consider Graham a miss. He was one of the best blocking TEs in the league and was not ever a frequent target in the passing game. Similarly, it's way too early to call Butler a miss. I also count Welker as a hit, as they traded a second for him and that worked out pretty well.
Do you really go around drafting blocking TE's in the first, though? My impression was that Graham was expected to have that Hernandez/Gronk impact (in one player) but never quite delivered. Since '02 was some time ago, I could be hazy on that, though. But the argument is that if Hernandez and Gronk can make the TE position in NE both real life and fantasy relevent, why couldn't Graham?I think Maroney probably taints the reputation unfairly. Plus there were the WR's that never panned out even though they weren't always early rounders. Offensive skill positions taken in the early rounds tend to get attention while defensive early rounders don't get near the hype (and were completely ignored in the study).Also, giving LT 2010 the same comparative value as you would LT 2005 strikes me as a bit simplistic. Doesn't anyone think that LT 2005 on this Jets team in 2010 would be having a bigger impact?It's an interesting question, and I do think that BB should get a lot of credit for being able to get impressive offensive production out of cast-offs and late round finds.
IMO, Graham suffered from not seeing the football very often. Over the course of his career in NE, he averaged 2.96 targets a game. As rookies, Hernandez has seen the ball an average of 4.57 times a game with Gronkowski at 3.69 targets a game (mostly in the red zone). Certainly Graham could have done better than he did, but he was not a key cog in the offense.
 

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