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I think alot of you are making a mistake here. Its way too early to write off the Cowboys. The Cowboys have been dealing with lots of short term injuries and if they can just get past the next couple of weeks they should be alright. The Rams game is a totally different game if Romo is healthy. The defense wouldnt be repeatedly stuck defending a short field because of a turnover by the offense. You know last year early in the season no one gave the Giants a chance in hell and look at what they did. Call me a homer but I still think that this Dallas team is the MOST talented team in the league but they dont play like a team if they did they would dominante like the 2007 Pats.
Sounds like, from your own words, weathering in the injury storm is not going to cure the problems, right?
Simply getting players from injury will help this team but will not solve all problems. The biggest problem is going to need to be fixed by the play calling. Some thoughts include Garret mixing in more screens, slants, and draws to keep the defense at bay, Wade Phillips playing press coverage instead of zone as Jenkins excels at press coverage dont give 10 yard cushions to the recievers. Special teams just needs to stay in their lanes on coverage and finish blocks on returns. Dallas is far from dead dont believe the hype ESPN and other media outlets are spewing.
um, ok. i watch EVERY game. this team is in disarray. they are getting manhandled on both sides of the ball. there are bigger problems going on here. this team clould turn it around, no doubt, but right now the cards are stacked against them.
Why are the cards stacked against them? Because ESPN says so? Teams go through rough patches and injuries if the Cowboys get Romo back next week and beat Tampa and after the bye beat the Giants you will be breaking your ankles trying to get back on the bandwagon. This team is far from dead. Just last year everyone in New York was calling for Coughlins head and now he is a respected coach things change QUICKLY.
This team is in disarray not because of injuries (every team has those) but because they lack leadership and toughness. Romo's injury shouldn't have made that much difference to a team sporting so much talent elsewhere - we've seen less talented winning teams navigate stormy seas while their starting QB's were hurt, such as the Eagles with Feeley and Detmer. This team reminds me of Mike Tyson - if he couldn't score a first round knockout, he's looking for excuses and ears to bite. There's no heart to really endure a struggle if things don't come easy.

The Cowboys might indeed be the "most talented" roster in that division, but they're the worst team in that division for those reasons. And I don't see Wade Phillips being the guy to change that, not least because Jerry in his infinite wisdom made sure everybody knew since the day he was hired that Wade's a dead man walking as the head coach, and has intentionally or not used every opportunity to remind everyone of that, right down to making announcements this week about Romo starting or not rather than leaving that to the coach to do.

Romo's return will help, but the problems run much deeper than Romo's pinky finger.

Oh, and forget about the 2007 Giants. That team's turnaround was noteworthy because it was both dramatic and rare, and as I said above I see no leader on the Cowboys to help engineer such a feat, starting with how poor Phillips matches up with Coughlin in that regard.
And how good are the Pats without Tom Brady? Losing your starting qb is a huge blow to a team unless your the Texans and have Sage Rosenfals as your back up. Going into the season I felt that backup QB was a position that was neglected and now it is apparent. Gaurantee you that your Redskins dont win 5 games with either Collins or Brennan at the helm their more then likely looking at 1 or 2 wins.
Actually they won four games in a row last December to make the playoffs with Collins, but then that's what teams with good character do.
 
And how good are the Pats without Tom Brady? Losing your starting qb is a huge blow to a team unless your the Texans and have Sage Rosenfals as your back up. Going into the season I felt that backup QB was a position that was neglected and now it is apparent. Gaurantee you that your Redskins dont win 5 games with either Collins or Brennan at the helm their more then likely looking at 1 or 2 wins.
Pretty weak argument there...Skins got hot late last year with Todd Collins and made the playoffs. Titans maybe better with their "backup" Kerry Collins. Joe Flacco was #3 in B-more in preseason...Frerotte is another example. Should I go on? It's a mix of coaching, the rest of the team stepping it up and team depth at positions when injuries occur.
 
I think alot of you are making a mistake here. Its way too early to write off the Cowboys. The Cowboys have been dealing with lots of short term injuries and if they can just get past the next couple of weeks they should be alright. The Rams game is a totally different game if Romo is healthy. The defense wouldnt be repeatedly stuck defending a short field because of a turnover by the offense. You know last year early in the season no one gave the Giants a chance in hell and look at what they did. Call me a homer but I still think that this Dallas team is the MOST talented team in the league but they dont play like a team if they did they would dominante like the 2007 Pats.
Sounds like, from your own words, weathering in the injury storm is not going to cure the problems, right?
Simply getting players from injury will help this team but will not solve all problems. The biggest problem is going to need to be fixed by the play calling. Some thoughts include Garret mixing in more screens, slants, and draws to keep the defense at bay, Wade Phillips playing press coverage instead of zone as Jenkins excels at press coverage dont give 10 yard cushions to the recievers. Special teams just needs to stay in their lanes on coverage and finish blocks on returns. Dallas is far from dead dont believe the hype ESPN and other media outlets are spewing.
um, ok. i watch EVERY game. this team is in disarray. they are getting manhandled on both sides of the ball. there are bigger problems going on here. this team clould turn it around, no doubt, but right now the cards are stacked against them.
Why are the cards stacked against them? Because ESPN says so? Teams go through rough patches and injuries if the Cowboys get Romo back next week and beat Tampa and after the bye beat the Giants you will be breaking your ankles trying to get back on the bandwagon. This team is far from dead. Just last year everyone in New York was calling for Coughlins head and now he is a respected coach things change QUICKLY.
This team is in disarray not because of injuries (every team has those) but because they lack leadership and toughness. Romo's injury shouldn't have made that much difference to a team sporting so much talent elsewhere - we've seen less talented winning teams navigate stormy seas while their starting QB's were hurt, such as the Eagles with Feeley and Detmer. This team reminds me of Mike Tyson - if he couldn't score a first round knockout, he's looking for excuses and ears to bite. There's no heart to really endure a struggle if things don't come easy.

The Cowboys might indeed be the "most talented" roster in that division, but they're the worst team in that division for those reasons. And I don't see Wade Phillips being the guy to change that, not least because Jerry in his infinite wisdom made sure everybody knew since the day he was hired that Wade's a dead man walking as the head coach, and has intentionally or not used every opportunity to remind everyone of that, right down to making announcements this week about Romo starting or not rather than leaving that to the coach to do.

Romo's return will help, but the problems run much deeper than Romo's pinky finger.

Oh, and forget about the 2007 Giants. That team's turnaround was noteworthy because it was both dramatic and rare, and as I said above I see no leader on the Cowboys to help engineer such a feat, starting with how poor Phillips matches up with Coughlin in that regard.
And how good are the Pats without Tom Brady? Losing your starting qb is a huge blow to a team unless your the Texans and have Sage Rosenfals as your back up. Going into the season I felt that backup QB was a position that was neglected and now it is apparent. Gaurantee you that your Redskins dont win 5 games with either Collins or Brennan at the helm their more then likely looking at 1 or 2 wins.
Actually they won four games in a row last December to make the playoffs with Collins, but then that's what teams with good character do.
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After this embarrassing fiasco I would be ashamed to show my face in Dallas. I didn't see any of the game but that had to one sorry excuse of a football team out there today.

 
After this embarrassing fiasco I would be ashamed to show my face in Dallas. I didn't see any of the game but that had to one sorry excuse of a football team out there today.
You need a coach who is an egomaniac/genius/hardass. Look at the SB winners.Tom Coughlin, GiantsTony Dungy, ColtsBill Cowher, SteelersBill Belichick, PatriotsJon Gruden, BuccaneersMike Holmgren, Packers Mike Shanahan, Broncos **** Vermeil, Rams Brian Billick, Ravens So what about Dicky and Tony? Dicky has plenty of ego, is also a hardass to a degree, and Martz is a genius. Plus the insane combo of talent at just the right time.As for Tony, he's the exception no doubt. I don't think we can compare Dungy to a marshmallow with a headset. And, Tony has left some SBs on the table. His Bucs teams should have gone farther. No question about it. And the Colts, with maybe the best QB of all time when he's done, 1 SB appearance? Elway went 5 times, and he's had far worse talent. No question that Tony really should have done more with what he had. Bucs had a top 5 D for about 10 years. The rest are hardass, genius ego guys. Are those guys great coaches because of the SB? Or won the SB because they are great? Most were considered pretty damn good coaches before, and Coughlin had a lot of success in his previous job.Anyway I'm just backing up the post about Jerry hiring puppets at HC. It's usually been a disaster. You just can't have a weak HC. The HC has to be the leader. And staypuff isn't the leader in Dallas. Everyone knows Jerry runs the show.NFL owner should be a cheerleader.NFL GM should be a salary cap wizard, decent talent evaluator, and know how to build a teamHC should be the leader, and the players know the buck stops with him. That's really not now Dallas is run. But it is how the Pats are run.
 
This is why off-season predictions are crap.... all those who crowned their ### in the off-season might have learned something about the NFL....maybe not, most people will be doing the same next off season.

 
After this embarrassing fiasco I would be ashamed to show my face in Dallas. I didn't see any of the game but that had to one sorry excuse of a football team out there today.
:towelwave: and the Cowboys' fans that bashed the Giants for losing to Cleveland, what do they have to say for themselves now, after their team just got man-handled by a lousy St. Louis team? :lmao:
 
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Cowboy bashing aside (which admittedly is pretty fun), St. Louis has some decent talent and the replacement coach is not bad.

Having sad that, there is a malodorous stench surrounding the boys right now, and the concern would be that there isn't a positive influence that is going to right the ship.

 
Unfortunately this thread will only reach about a third of those it would have 3 weeks ago, as 60%+ of their "fans" have abandoned them until fairer weather returns.

 
The Cowboys paid for their arrogance yesterday. The particular arrogance I speak of was not signing a decent backup QB in the offseason. Did the coaches and management assume Romo would never get hurt? Did they honestly think Brad Johnson could carry the team if he did? He was absolutely brutal out there yesterday. Owens has only been mildly discontent up to this point. I expect him to go into full blown pouting mode any day now.

 
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newsday.com/sports/football/ny-sphow1029,0,2114454.columnNewsday.comJerry Jones catalyst for Cowboy circusJohnette Howard8:11 PM EDT, October 28, 2008He is among the reasons the Dallas Cowboys look in disarray as they come to play the Giants at the Meadowlands Sunday. But who says Brad Johnson can't go deep? The Cowboys' backup quarterback sounded pretty profound Sunday when he looked at the Cowboys' 1-1 record despite his shaky play in the two games he's started for injured Tony Romo.Two weeks ago Johnson threw three interceptions as Dallas was routed by lowly St. Louis. After Dallas barely eked past Tampa Bay Sunday despite Johnson's meager 3.7-yard average per pass and failure to even attempt more than one throw longer than 20 yards -- his nickname isn't "Checkdown Johnson" for nothing -- a relieved Johnson said, "A pat on the back and a slap on the face are six inches ."Johnson spoke before Giants defensive end Justin Tuck kicked off Cowboys week here by saying "We hate them. They hate us." But the quarterback's observation came just minutes after watching embattled Cowboys coach Wade Phillips get a game ball and a gushing speech from omnipresent Cowboys boss Jerry Jones.Phillips was so touched he left the ball in a laundry cart he walked by.The Cowboys were a circus even before Romo broke the pinkie on his throwing hand. But except for one short-lived diva flashback from wideout Terrell Owens that Owens seemed to lapse into out of sheer muscle memory alone, Jones has been at the center of the Cowboys' melodramas this season.A rational observer might ask right about here, for example, why Jones -- the Cowboys' president, owner and general manager -- was handing out the game balls at all Sunday when that's normally the head coach or players' jobs? But Jones trumps or usurps Phillips' authority constantly. When reporters told a surprised Phillips two weeks ago that Jones had just said Romo might start the St. Louis game with his fractured finger after all (Romo didn't), Phillips -- not for the first time -- tried to recover by cracking, "Whatever Jerry says, I'm going with."Jones also patrols the Dallas bench and gives in-game advice and pep talks to players. He just turned 66, but that didn't stop him from running pass patterns in practice after Romo got hurt to check the velocity on Romo's passes. (Where's the YouTube video when you really need it?)For awhile, now, Jones has seemed determined to supplant Al Davis and the Oakland Raiders as the NFL's safe harbor for bad boys and castoffs by following his trade for Owens with "Just Win, Baby" signings of Tank Johnson, then Adam (Pacman) Jones. NFL analyst Deion Sanders, a former Cowboy, panned Jones' recent trade for Lions wideout Roy Williams as a "panic move."The problem isn't that these aren't button-down Tom Landry's Cowboys anymore. Those days are long gone. Get over it. The challenge is what to make of the Cowboys now, period?Dallas had 13 Pro Bowlers last year. But if you had to name the face of the Cowboys' franchise right now, would it be Romo or Owens or Jones?Jones courts the spotlight. He has his own weekly radio show, even his own stable of commercials. His latest spot for a pizza franchise begins with Jones wearing a headset and giving a group of Pop Warner players a pep talk -- "All right men, let's go out and hit somebody!" -- only to see one of the little tykes step forward and drive an overhand right into Jones' groin as Jones screams and grabs himself. Hysterical? If you're into groin jokes, I guess.Romo, for one, has rationalized Jones' behavior by saying it's the only thing he's ever known in his NFL career so, "It is just normal." The quarterback also praised Jones for being unfailingly supportive.But Jones' decision to make offensive coordinator Jason Garrett a $3 million-a-year head coach in waiting hasn't lanced any of the pressure on Phillips, an unassuming man who's never won a playoff game as a head coach.Last year still is remembered in Dallas for the opening-round playoff loss to the underdog Giants rather than the Cowboys' 13-3 regular-season record. This week they'll try to beat a Giants' defense that has an NFL-best 26 sacks with Johnson, an immobile 40-year-old, and Jets castoff Brooks Bollinger if Johnson falters.Lately, Jones has resorted to citing the Giants' late hot streak last season as a model for how the injury-wracked Cowboys can finish this season once they get some players back. But that ignores the Cowboys' flawed defense, or how Dallas lost two of three even with Romo just before he was hurt.Then there's how well the 6-1 Giants have played.To borrow Tuck's word, the Giants might hate themselves -- not just the Cowboys -- if they fail to pile on Dallas Sunday. A win would maintain a little NFC East breathing room for the Giants and force Jones to figure out his next strategic move. More pats on the back? Or slaps to the face?
 
I don't really get all the Cowboys hatred. They're not really good enough to warrant such animosity. When they win a playoff game, they might earn some antipathy.
It's not about about good or bad on the field. It's so much more than that. It's the "America's Team" crap. It's jerry jones. It's rabid fans that are in your face when Dallas is winning and disappear when they are on a 2 game losing streak (or more) and then suddenly reappear when it's over...
Its all about their clownful image, Jethro Jones and their uber-toolish fans as was stated above :thumbup:
Its people like you that cause this type of stuff. Coming in to a thread just to say something stupid like this only provokes fights. :excited:
Actually it is their rudderless fans posting inane rhetoric in weeks past. Dont throw bricks if you live in a glass house.Fairweather fans FTW :yucky:
as a diehard Cowboys fan getting lumped in with fairweathers is part of the ride. what gets annoying is that lots of Cowboys haters are just as obnoxious, if not more, than the obnoxious Cowboys fans. and then when Cowboys fans try to defend, they get attacked with the Tony Homos and and the Cowgirls crap. i swear i only see some of you post in Cowboys bashing threads. then the haters complain about all the attention the Cowboys get. and all the stupid threads, blah, blah, blah.......NEWSFLASH, you are perpetuating this whole thing. some Cowboys fans feel the need to gloat and lash out because they are constantly told they are sub-par fans, so to speak. now i realize there are reasons to not like the Cowboys, and there are bandwagon fans for sure, but every team in the NFL has problems and bandwagon fans. it's just not as out in the open.prolly shouldnt have even posted this cause i'll just get torn apart, but i'm in a bad mood and nothing pisses me off more than fans that think they better. to those of you, and you know who you are, F U!!!
 
I just love how everyone is always thinking about the 'Boys. Love 'em or hate 'em, they're on your mind. :thumbup:

 
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I don't really get all the Cowboys hatred. They're not really good enough to warrant such animosity. When they win a playoff game, they might earn some antipathy.
It's not about about good or bad on the field. It's so much more than that. It's the "America's Team" crap. It's jerry jones. It's rabid fans that are in your face when Dallas is winning and disappear when they are on a 2 game losing streak (or more) and then suddenly reappear when it's over...
Its all about their clownful image, Jethro Jones and their uber-toolish fans as was stated above :lmao:
Its people like you that cause this type of stuff. Coming in to a thread just to say something stupid like this only provokes fights. :bowtie:
Actually it is their rudderless fans posting inane rhetoric in weeks past. Dont throw bricks if you live in a glass house

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Fairweather fans FTW

:ph34r:
as a diehard Cowboys fan getting lumped in with fairweathers is part of the ride. what gets annoying is that lots of Cowboys haters are just as obnoxious, if not more, than the obnoxious Cowboys fans. and then when Cowboys fans try to defend, they get attacked with the Tony Homos and and the Cowgirls crap. i swear i only see some of you post in Cowboys bashing threads. then the haters complain about all the attention the Cowboys get. and all the stupid threads, blah, blah, blah.......NEWSFLASH, you are perpetuating this whole thing. some Cowboys fans feel the need to gloat and lash out because they are constantly told they are sub-par fans, so to speak. now i realize there are reasons to not like the Cowboys, and there are bandwagon fans for sure, but every team in the NFL has problems and bandwagon fans. it's just not as out in the open.

prolly shouldnt have even posted this cause i'll just get torn apart, but i'm in a bad mood and nothing pisses me off more than fans that think they better. to those of you, and you know who you are, F U!!!
Seriously was this necessary?The way I see it. Every fan base has some knowledgable fans and some let's call them idiots. The problem with the Cowboys fans is....... That based on the number of fans there are, the range of "idiots" is greater then most others. These ill thought out threads only magnify the perception of the stereo type and around we go.

There are some very good Cowboy fans on this board who know their team and Football in general. Then like other teams we seem to have a few fans who spew crap. Some of the posts that the hate comes from are started by Cowboy fans.

Yes it is also true that there are some who will hate the Cowboys even when the post is well informed, it just comes with the territory. This is hardly new though. Get used to it.

IMO.....The best way to ensure you/me/all Cowboy fans are not percieved as an idiots is to stop acting like one.

 
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Bankerguy - what's your thought about Jerry in the lockerroom handing out footballs? Has he lost his mind? Does he have that little control over himself and his ego? How is this in any way productive?

That fact - and this article was the first I'd heard of it - was the primary reason why I posted this article.

 
Bankerguy - what's your thought about Jerry in the lockerroom handing out footballs? Has he lost his mind? Does he have that little control over himself and his ego? How is this in any way productive?That fact - and this article was the first I'd heard of it - was the primary reason why I posted this article.
I by no means advocate what Jerry did and I do wish he would back away. My overall take is:-I think some of the players were thinking Wade could get fired.-Jerry did this to give Wade a "vote of confidence"-a message to the players that the results are on them. Jerry also did this with the media. Although to be honest Jerry helped create the original problem, but I digress.The article you referenced talks about Wade just throwing the game ball in the hamper-This is only partly accurate. The article omitted that Wade said he was very grateful, but deflected the praise to the rest of the coaching staff and his players.
 
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Bankerguy - what's your thought about Jerry in the lockerroom handing out footballs? Has he lost his mind? Does he have that little control over himself and his ego? How is this in any way productive?That fact - and this article was the first I'd heard of it - was the primary reason why I posted this article.
I by no means advocate what Jerry did and I do wish he would back away. My overall take is:-I think some of the players were thinking Wade could get fired.-Jerry did this to give Wade a "vote of confidence"-a message to the players that the results are on them. Jerry also did this with the media. Although to be honest Jerry helped create the original problem, but I digress.The article talks about Wade just throwing the game ball in the hamper-This is partly accurate the article omitted that Wade said he was very grateful, but deflected the praise to the rest of the coaching staff and his players.
The irony of this sort of "show of support" for Wade is that the very act itself is part of the problem. In other words, if Jerry maintained the normal separation between his own roles as owner and GM with those of Wade as coach in the lockerroom and on the sideline, then it wouldn't be necessary to be handing him a game ball. It's almost like the old saying about "the beatings will continue until morale improves." It's just so bizarre to me. As for Wade, he's just such a weak figure as head coach. To feel "gratitude" rather than "anger" at constantly having his authority undercut like he has with the Cowboys speaks volumes about his lack of leadership. I like him on a more personal level, and you only need to look at the Chargers' defense to see how talented he is as a DC, but he's simply ill-equipped to be a head coach, and doubly so when matched with Jerry Jones as his owner.
 
I don't really get all the Cowboys hatred. They're not really good enough to warrant such animosity. When they win a playoff game, they might earn some antipathy.
It's not about about good or bad on the field. It's so much more than that. It's the "America's Team" crap. It's jerry jones. It's rabid fans that are in your face when Dallas is winning and disappear when they are on a 2 game losing streak (or more) and then suddenly reappear when it's over...
Its all about their clownful image, Jethro Jones and their uber-toolish fans as was stated above :popcorn:
Its people like you that cause this type of stuff. Coming in to a thread just to say something stupid like this only provokes fights. :thumbdown:
Actually it is their rudderless fans posting inane rhetoric in weeks past. Dont throw bricks if you live in a glass house

.

Fairweather fans FTW

:thumbup:
as a diehard Cowboys fan getting lumped in with fairweathers is part of the ride. what gets annoying is that lots of Cowboys haters are just as obnoxious, if not more, than the obnoxious Cowboys fans. and then when Cowboys fans try to defend, they get attacked with the Tony Homos and and the Cowgirls crap. i swear i only see some of you post in Cowboys bashing threads. then the haters complain about all the attention the Cowboys get. and all the stupid threads, blah, blah, blah.......NEWSFLASH, you are perpetuating this whole thing. some Cowboys fans feel the need to gloat and lash out because they are constantly told they are sub-par fans, so to speak. now i realize there are reasons to not like the Cowboys, and there are bandwagon fans for sure, but every team in the NFL has problems and bandwagon fans. it's just not as out in the open.

prolly shouldnt have even posted this cause i'll just get torn apart, but i'm in a bad mood and nothing pisses me off more than fans that think they better. to those of you, and you know who you are, F U!!!
Seriously was this necessary?The way I see it. Every fan base has some knowledgable fans and some let's call them idiots. The problem with the Cowboys fans is....... That based on the number of fans there are, the range of "idiots" is greater then most others. These ill thought out threads only magnify the perception of the stereo type and around we go.

There are some very good Cowboy fans on this board who know their team and Football in general. Then like other teams we seem to have a few fans who spew crap. Some of the posts that the hate comes from are started by Cowboy fans.

Yes it is also true that there are some who will hate the Cowboys even when the post is well informed, it just comes with the territory. This is hardly new though. Get used to it.

IMO.....The best way to ensure you/me/all Cowboy fans are not percieved as an idiots is to stop acting like one.
:thumbup: Nicely put! :thumbup:

 
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Bankerguy said:
Tatum Bell said:
Bankerguy - what's your thought about Jerry in the lockerroom handing out footballs? Has he lost his mind? Does he have that little control over himself and his ego? How is this in any way productive?That fact - and this article was the first I'd heard of it - was the primary reason why I posted this article.
I by no means advocate what Jerry did and I do wish he would back away. My overall take is:-I think some of the players were thinking Wade could get fired.-Jerry did this to give Wade a "vote of confidence"-a message to the players that the results are on them. Jerry also did this with the media. Although to be honest Jerry helped create the original problem, but I digress.The article talks about Wade just throwing the game ball in the hamper-This is partly accurate the article omitted that Wade said he was very grateful, but deflected the praise to the rest of the coaching staff and his players.
The irony of this sort of "show of support" for Wade is that the very act itself is part of the problem. In other words, if Jerry maintained the normal separation between his own roles as owner and GM with those of Wade as coach in the lockerroom and on the sideline, then it wouldn't be necessary to be handing him a game ball. It's almost like the old saying about "the beatings will continue until morale improves." It's just so bizarre to me. As for Wade, he's just such a weak figure as head coach. To feel "gratitude" rather than "anger" at constantly having his authority undercut like he has with the Cowboys speaks volumes about his lack of leadership. I like him on a more personal level, and you only need to look at the Chargers' defense to see how talented he is as a DC, but he's simply ill-equipped to be a head coach, and doubly so when matched with Jerry Jones as his owner.
I am sure that this comes as no suprise but I couldn't disagree more with your points. This talented a team losing 3 games this early in the season would bring the vultures out of the wood work calling for Phillips's head whether Jerry was stand off or not. Jerry was trying to show support. Just because he doesn't do it the way everyone else would does not make him wrong. He knows his coach and he knows his players. If Wade had been insecure and thrown the ball in his face then you would have a point but Wade is a confident guy and knew what Jones was trying to do. The very things you site as weaknesses, I see as strengths when you are talking about Phillips. Philips knew what he was getting into when he signed on with Dallas and he definitely knew who the owner and gm was. If your insecure in yourself and your own ability then the Cowboys' head coaching job is not the place for you. I think Phillips is perfect for the job because he doesn't care what people think outside the organization. He generally chuckles to himself during news conferences when the media tries to paint him into corners. He is the type of coach that always puts everyone else first and gives credit to his players and his assistant coaches for every win. When a player or coach does poorly, he doesn't drag them over the coals in the press. He takes the blame and handles it in house. It may not lead to juicy quotes for writers and haters but it works well for the team.Phillips has been around long enough to know fame is fickle. You go 13-3 and people call you lucky. You go 5-3 and people say you suck and are going to be fired. His dad was probably the most loved man in Houston and he got fired so why have an ego?
 
I don't really get all the Cowboys hatred. They're not really good enough to warrant such animosity. When they win a playoff game, they might earn some antipathy.
It's not about about good or bad on the field. It's so much more than that. It's the "America's Team" crap. It's jerry jones. It's rabid fans that are in your face when Dallas is winning and disappear when they are on a 2 game losing streak (or more) and then suddenly reappear when it's over...
Its all about their clownful image, Jethro Jones and their uber-toolish fans as was stated above :)
Its people like you that cause this type of stuff. Coming in to a thread just to say something stupid like this only provokes fights. :thumbdown:
Actually it is their rudderless fans posting inane rhetoric in weeks past. Dont throw bricks if you live in a glass house

.

Fairweather fans FTW

:thumbup:
as a diehard Cowboys fan getting lumped in with fairweathers is part of the ride. what gets annoying is that lots of Cowboys haters are just as obnoxious, if not more, than the obnoxious Cowboys fans. and then when Cowboys fans try to defend, they get attacked with the Tony Homos and and the Cowgirls crap. i swear i only see some of you post in Cowboys bashing threads. then the haters complain about all the attention the Cowboys get. and all the stupid threads, blah, blah, blah.......NEWSFLASH, you are perpetuating this whole thing. some Cowboys fans feel the need to gloat and lash out because they are constantly told they are sub-par fans, so to speak. now i realize there are reasons to not like the Cowboys, and there are bandwagon fans for sure, but every team in the NFL has problems and bandwagon fans. it's just not as out in the open.

prolly shouldnt have even posted this cause i'll just get torn apart, but i'm in a bad mood and nothing pisses me off more than fans that think they better. to those of you, and you know who you are, F U!!!
Seriously was this necessary?The way I see it. Every fan base has some knowledgable fans and some let's call them idiots. The problem with the Cowboys fans is....... That based on the number of fans there are, the range of "idiots" is greater then most others. These ill thought out threads only magnify the perception of the stereo type and around we go.

There are some very good Cowboy fans on this board who know their team and Football in general. Then like other teams we seem to have a few fans who spew crap. Some of the posts that the hate comes from are started by Cowboy fans.

Yes it is also true that there are some who will hate the Cowboys even when the post is well informed, it just comes with the territory. This is hardly new though. Get used to it.

IMO.....The best way to ensure you/me/all Cowboy fans are not percieved as an idiots is to stop acting like one.
what can i say, i get fired up. i like to talk about real football as much as the next fan. i just have a hard time not biting on the BS bait that some of the yahoos throw out on these boreds.that said, i'll talk about the Cowboys.

interesting take on Wade, Tyrion.

i've been somewhat critical of Wade and his coaching staff as of late. who hasn't? the question is simple. can he get this team back as an NFC power? this week in NY will be a big indicator, imo. IF the Cowboys can keep the game close it will a step in the right direction. the body language (sans TO) was much better vs. TB. even with the injuries this team CAN compete with the Gmen. if they dig in, dont turn the ball over, and get to Eli, they'll have a shot. how big would a win in NY be right now?! the answer is huge!

 
FOR ALL YOU HATERS OUT THERE:

CAN YOU TELL ME THE STATE OF THE LAST THREE (3) SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS IN WEEK 9 OF THEIR RESPECTIVE CHAMPIONSHIP SEASONS?

I'm not going as far as to say the Boys are SB bound, but history tells us it's a little early to be writing off talented teams at this point in the season. They ain't the Lions, and on paper are arguably the most talented team in ALL of football when healthy.

Pittsburgh was beat up...Indi was getting blown out and couldn't stop a big wheel much less an NFL RB...and Eli was headed for career mediocrity...all championship squads those years.

Settle down, haters, settle down...or you run the risk of having too many words to eat come February

 
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I don't really get all the Cowboys hatred. They're not really good enough to warrant such animosity. When they win a playoff game, they might earn some antipathy.
It's not about about good or bad on the field. It's so much more than that. It's the "America's Team" crap. It's jerry jones. It's rabid fans that are in your face when Dallas is winning and disappear when they are on a 2 game losing streak (or more) and then suddenly reappear when it's over...
Its all about their clownful image, Jethro Jones and their uber-toolish fans as was stated above :confused:
Its people like you that cause this type of stuff. Coming in to a thread just to say something stupid like this only provokes fights. :thumbup:
Actually it is their rudderless fans posting inane rhetoric in weeks past. Dont throw bricks if you live in a glass house

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Fairweather fans FTW

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as a diehard Cowboys fan getting lumped in with fairweathers is part of the ride. what gets annoying is that lots of Cowboys haters are just as obnoxious, if not more, than the obnoxious Cowboys fans. and then when Cowboys fans try to defend, they get attacked with the Tony Homos and and the Cowgirls crap. i swear i only see some of you post in Cowboys bashing threads. then the haters complain about all the attention the Cowboys get. and all the stupid threads, blah, blah, blah.......NEWSFLASH, you are perpetuating this whole thing. some Cowboys fans feel the need to gloat and lash out because they are constantly told they are sub-par fans, so to speak. now i realize there are reasons to not like the Cowboys, and there are bandwagon fans for sure, but every team in the NFL has problems and bandwagon fans. it's just not as out in the open.

prolly shouldnt have even posted this cause i'll just get torn apart, but i'm in a bad mood and nothing pisses me off more than fans that think they better. to those of you, and you know who you are, F U!!!
Seriously was this necessary?The way I see it. Every fan base has some knowledgable fans and some let's call them idiots. The problem with the Cowboys fans is....... That based on the number of fans there are, the range of "idiots" is greater then most others. These ill thought out threads only magnify the perception of the stereo type and around we go.

There are some very good Cowboy fans on this board who know their team and Football in general. Then like other teams we seem to have a few fans who spew crap. Some of the posts that the hate comes from are started by Cowboy fans.

Yes it is also true that there are some who will hate the Cowboys even when the post is well informed, it just comes with the territory. This is hardly new though. Get used to it.

IMO.....The best way to ensure you/me/all Cowboy fans are not percieved as an idiots is to stop acting like one.
what can i say, i get fired up. i like to talk about real football as much as the next fan. i just have a hard time not biting on the BS bait that some of the yahoos throw out on these boreds.that said, i'll talk about the Cowboys.

interesting take on Wade, Tyrion.

i've been somewhat critical of Wade and his coaching staff as of late. who hasn't? the question is simple. can he get this team back as an NFC power? this week in NY will be a big indicator, imo. IF the Cowboys can keep the game close it will a step in the right direction. the body language (sans TO) was much better vs. TB. even with the injuries this team CAN compete with the Gmen. if they dig in, dont turn the ball over, and get to Eli, they'll have a shot. how big would a win in NY be right now?! the answer is huge!
I think I will be the first to say this. THIS IS A MUST WIN FOR THE G-MEN. If they lose at Home to a beat up Cowboys team that nobody gives a chance to win they will have a tough time getting over that. All the pressure is on the G-MEN.
 
FOR ALL YOU HATERS OUT THERE:

CAN YOU TELL ME THE STATE OF THE LAST THREE (3) SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS IN WEEK 9 OF THEIR RESPECTIVE CHAMPIONSHIP SEASONS?

I'm not going as far as to say the Boys are SB bound, but history tells us it's a little early to be writing off talented teams at this point in the season. They ain't the Lions, and on paper are arguably the most talented team in ALL of football when healthy.

Pittsburgh was beat up...Indi was getting blown out and couldn't stop a big wheel much less an NFL RB...and Eli was headed for career mediocrity...all championship squads those years.

Settle down, haters, settle down...or you run the risk of having too many words to eat come February
In 2000 the Redskins were the most talented team on paper in the NFL. The comparison works both ways, the next few games will really tell us which way the Cowboys slide. Dallas at Washington come week 11 will be game of the year IMO.
 
Tatum Bell said:
Bankerguy said:
Tatum Bell said:
Bankerguy - what's your thought about Jerry in the lockerroom handing out footballs? Has he lost his mind? Does he have that little control over himself and his ego? How is this in any way productive?That fact - and this article was the first I'd heard of it - was the primary reason why I posted this article.
I by no means advocate what Jerry did and I do wish he would back away. My overall take is:-I think some of the players were thinking Wade could get fired.-Jerry did this to give Wade a "vote of confidence"-a message to the players that the results are on them. Jerry also did this with the media. Although to be honest Jerry helped create the original problem, but I digress.The article talks about Wade just throwing the game ball in the hamper-This is partly accurate the article omitted that Wade said he was very grateful, but deflected the praise to the rest of the coaching staff and his players.
The irony of this sort of "show of support" for Wade is that the very act itself is part of the problem. In other words, if Jerry maintained the normal separation between his own roles as owner and GM with those of Wade as coach in the lockerroom and on the sideline, then it wouldn't be necessary to be handing him a game ball. It's almost like the old saying about "the beatings will continue until morale improves." It's just so bizarre to me. As for Wade, he's just such a weak figure as head coach. To feel "gratitude" rather than "anger" at constantly having his authority undercut like he has with the Cowboys speaks volumes about his lack of leadership. I like him on a more personal level, and you only need to look at the Chargers' defense to see how talented he is as a DC, but he's simply ill-equipped to be a head coach, and doubly so when matched with Jerry Jones as his owner.
I also found out today that it was Garrett not Jerry who wanted to bring Johnson back this year.Here is Galloway's article:Why shouldn’t the Dallas Cowboys start Brooks Bollinger against the New York Giants?By RANDY GALLOWAYrgalloway@star-telegram.comJerry Jones making football decisions at Valley Ranch has always been a high-risk proposition, but ...Could you blame him this week for seriously questioning the judgment of offensive staff members who advised Jones to keep 40-year-old Brad Johnson for a second season as the backup QB?Or for Jerry also promoting the idea with those same staff members that Brooks Bollinger starting Sunday against the New York Giants is a better alternative?If that’s meddling, then go ahead, Jerry. You have my OK. Meddle away.Nobody is on the record with this, but let’s just say reliable sources report Jones feels he was duped on Johnson’s ability after watching the past two games of that at quarterback. To go a step beyond, then we could also assume Jerry’s "Golden Boy" (Jones’ joking description in training camp), Jason Garrett, has taken some owner heat this week.Garrett is in charge of all things offense. Johnson falls under his responsibility.But I remember an Oxnard private conversation in August with a member of the offensive staff on the subject of backup QB. It started with the second-guessing of allowing rookie Matt Moore to get away in ’07, plus the gamble of going with only two QBs on the roster, and finally, the capability of an aging Johnson to still do the job if needed.His answer hits home at the moment: "Brad would be OK if we needed him to finish out a tight game because he won’t do anything stupid. Without Romo [Tony], we might get by with one start from Brad, depending on how good the defense is we’re playing. But two, three games? No way. We’d need somebody. Which is why I think we need a third quarterback, although like last season, I don’t see that happening."(The Dallas Cowboys, however, added veteran Bollinger the week after the opener against Cleveland.)Despite reports this week, the Cowboys were mulling over Bollinger replacing Johnson in the Meadowlands, the announcement came Wednesday that Brad was officially the starter. His third consecutive start.In other words, a disappointed Jones didn’t pull rank on Garrett and order him to start Bollinger. For someone who has screamed for years about Jones’ meddling, I have to compliment Jerry on letting his handpicked offensive guru handle the decision.Then again, I still think Jones was right about Bollinger starting Sunday.In a funny YouTube scene from Wednesday, even Hall of Famer Michael Irvin got caught up in the Brad Johnson debate while a guest on Eldorado Owens’ Tuesday night radio show.During a commercial break, Michael is seen leaning over to Owens, telling him about a Sunday night phone call (after the Tampa Bay game) from Jones. "Jerry was hot about Brad Johnson," Michael said, before Owens quickly jumped in to advise something else was "hot." The mikes, even though the show was off the air. "Oh, God," yelled Michael, laughing.Actually, that verbal reply was the same as mine, and probably yours, after watching Brad throw each and every pass the past two weeks. Oh, gawd.Admittedly, I had assumed if Romo ever went down with an injury, Johnson, with his pedigree, could be at least an adequate temporary replacement. But there’s nothing adequate about what’s been seen.There’s also nothing in Bollinger’s limited NFL career (10 starts since ’03 with the Jets and the Vikings) to suggest anyone, much less me, leading a bandwagon campaign for him to get the call against the Giants.But ...Brooks is younger, much more mobile (compared to Brad, so is the Tom Landry statue at Texas Stadium), and, yes, the arm is stronger. Plus, this will be a road game where the Cowboys have absolutely nothing to lose, except the game.The team goes there, the team plays hard (I presume), the odds are against a win, and if the Cowboys don’t win, then everything is mapped out for the final two months of the season. First, comes the bye week, then a trip to Washington, then a couple of lightweight foes at home (San Fran and Seattle), then a rough, rough four games in December.The goal will be to win five of the last seven, finish with 10 Ws, and that should be good enough for a playoff wild card.Meanwhile, it’s not impossible to beat the Giants on Sunday, just very improbable with Johnson at quarterback.Why not Bollinger? Just to see. Just to see what they might have in case Romo is injured again, and temporarily out for a game in the second half of the season.I mean, can he really be any worse than Brad?No, that’s not a bandwagon campaign. It’s just a thought. Can’t blame Jerry this week for having the same thought.
 
our best shot is to roll with BJ. sure he's looked rusty, but he knows the offense. if the playcalling is right, and BJ deosnt try to do to much, they should be able to sustain drives. this obviously isnt the same team without Romo in there. but BJ is a salty vet, who wont be intimidated going into NY.

we need to get the ball to TO. since BJ cant really make the long throws, how bout WR screens, reverses, quick slants. if BJ has a bit of time to throw, there should be some opportunitys there.

we need to blitz the crap out of eli. he makes bad throws under pressure. if he has all day, as some QB's have had against the Cowboys, he'll pick us apart for sure.

i really think the Cowboys have a shot in this one. the momentum of their defensive effort from last week should carry over. we'll see.

 
Interesting that Garrett was the spear carrier for Johnson's return. I've still got to fault Jones a bit as it doesn't take a genius to figure out from watching Johnson work out that he's simply not a guy you can win with over multiple games. If Garrett simply had to have him on the roster, then it's the GM's job to get a 3rd stringer who can be viable too, if not override Garrett on that decision.

So now I've got to wonder how much luster is gone from Garrett in Jones' eyes longer term. Is he still the front-runner to become the head coach after Wade?

our best shot is to roll with BJ. sure he's looked rusty, but he knows the offense. if the playcalling is right, and BJ deosnt try to do to much, they should be able to sustain drives. this obviously isnt the same team without Romo in there. but BJ is a salty vet, who wont be intimidated going into NY.

we need to get the ball to TO. since BJ cant really make the long throws, how bout WR screens, reverses, quick slants. if BJ has a bit of time to throw, there should be some opportunitys there.

we need to blitz the crap out of eli. he makes bad throws under pressure. if he has all day, as some QB's have had against the Cowboys, he'll pick us apart for sure.

i really think the Cowboys have a shot in this one. the momentum of their defensive effort from last week should carry over. we'll see.
The Cowboys have a better shot than many people think because, as you said, Eli is not a good QB under pressure. A dirty little secret from that ugly week 1 loss by the Redskins was that they literally dropped 4 or 5 INT's from Eli. I'm not exaggerating. One was even in the end zone. They only lost 16-7, so even catching just one or two could have had an effect upon the outcome, even as miserably as the Redskins were playing on offense. The Cowboys can win an ugly 13-10 type ball game if their defense steps up and the offensive line decides to get mean and block for Barber. And of course BJ cannot turn the ball over.

I unlike some others am not enthralled with Terrence Newman's abilities and I don't think he's anywhere near elite level as a CB, so his absence, while still a negative, isn't devastating. The key is getting pressure on Eli, even more than stopping the running game. None of those Giants RB's are game breakers IMHO, although that's otherwise a deep and good RB corps. If the Cowboys are knocking Eli down and getting a couple of INT's, the Giants could run for 200 yards and still lose.

 
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In a funny YouTube scene from Wednesday, even Hall of Famer Michael Irvin got caught up in the Brad Johnson debate while a guest on Eldorado Owens’ Tuesday night radio show.

During a commercial break, Michael is seen leaning over to Owens, telling him about a Sunday night phone call (after the Tampa Bay game) from Jones. "Jerry was hot about Brad Johnson," Michael said, before Owens quickly jumped in to advise something else was "hot." The mikes, even though the show was off the air. "Oh, God," yelled Michael, laughing.
Here's a clip of this-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guc4WTeWkMM

 
FOR ALL YOU HATERS OUT THERE:

CAN YOU TELL ME THE STATE OF THE LAST THREE (3) SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS IN WEEK 9 OF THEIR RESPECTIVE CHAMPIONSHIP SEASONS?

I'm not going as far as to say the Boys are SB bound, but history tells us it's a little early to be writing off talented teams at this point in the season. They ain't the Lions, and on paper are arguably the most talented team in ALL of football when healthy.

Pittsburgh was beat up...Indi was getting blown out and couldn't stop a big wheel much less an NFL RB...and Eli was headed for career mediocrity...all championship squads those years.

Settle down, haters, settle down...or you run the risk of having too many words to eat come February
In 2000 the Redskins were the most talented team on paper in the NFL. The comparison works both ways, the next few games will really tell us which way the Cowboys slide. Dallas at Washington come week 11 will be game of the year IMO.
Like I said...not putting them in the Bowl, but it's WAY too early to drop them in the grease...my only point exemplilfied by the last three (3) Champs...
 
Interesting that Garrett was the spear carrier for Johnson's return. I've still got to fault Jones a bit as it doesn't take a genius to figure out from watching Johnson work out that he's simply not a guy you can win with over multiple games. If Garrett simply had to have him on the roster, then it's the GM's job to get a 3rd stringer who can be viable too, if not override Garrett on that decision.

So now I've got to wonder how much luster is gone from Garrett in Jones' eyes longer term. Is he still the front-runner to become the head coach after Wade?

our best shot is to roll with BJ. sure he's looked rusty, but he knows the offense. if the playcalling is right, and BJ deosnt try to do to much, they should be able to sustain drives. this obviously isnt the same team without Romo in there. but BJ is a salty vet, who wont be intimidated going into NY.

we need to get the ball to TO. since BJ cant really make the long throws, how bout WR screens, reverses, quick slants. if BJ has a bit of time to throw, there should be some opportunitys there.

we need to blitz the crap out of eli. he makes bad throws under pressure. if he has all day, as some QB's have had against the Cowboys, he'll pick us apart for sure.

i really think the Cowboys have a shot in this one. the momentum of their defensive effort from last week should carry over. we'll see.
The Cowboys have a better shot than many people think because, as you said, Eli is not a good QB under pressure. A dirty little secret from that ugly week 1 loss by the Redskins was that they literally dropped 4 or 5 INT's from Eli. I'm not exaggerating. One was even in the end zone. They only lost 16-7, so even catching just one or two could have had an effect upon the outcome, even as miserably as the Redskins were playing on offense. The Cowboys can win an ugly 13-10 type ball game if their defense steps up and the offensive line decides to get mean and block for Barber. And of course BJ cannot turn the ball over.

I unlike some others am not enthralled with Terrence Newman's abilities and I don't think he's anywhere near elite level as a CB, so his absence, while still a negative, isn't devastating. The key is getting pressure on Eli, even more than stopping the running game. None of those Giants RB's are game breakers IMHO, although that's otherwise a deep and good RB corps. If the Cowboys are knocking Eli down and getting a couple of INT's, the Giants could run for 200 yards and still lose.
Sure Dallas could win a tough defensive battle but I doubt that will happen. Sure Eli can be rattled but all qb's can with good pressure, but to imply that he is not able to over come pressure is not on target anymore. He can make the big play under pressure situations. The Skins are not in the Giants class and have been playing average to terrible ball the last 3 weeks. Had they not played the doormat of the league last week they would have lost. They are over ratted. I think Newman is a major upgrade over a rookie cb and is a big loss for this defense. I 100% agree that Dallas has to put pressure on Eli, the o-line has to run block and BJ can't turn the ball over, but that is obvious. B.Jacobs is a beast and can wear a defense down better then any rb in the league as well as the G-MEN's offensive line is the best in the NFL. Dallas has little chance to win this game as beat up as they are, now if this game was played when Dallas plays the Skins after the bye then Dallas can beat anyone once they get Romo F.Jones TNewman Witten Henry etc. back healthy. If Dallas wins this game with some big time luck the G-Men will never get over it and Dallas will win the division. The most likely scenario is Dallas Losses this week and is 5-4 and will have a hard time getting to 10 wins but should, and make a WC spot with either Philly Skins Tampa Minn in that order.
 
Interesting that Garrett was the spear carrier for Johnson's return. I've still got to fault Jones a bit as it doesn't take a genius to figure out from watching Johnson work out that he's simply not a guy you can win with over multiple games. If Garrett simply had to have him on the roster, then it's the GM's job to get a 3rd stringer who can be viable too, if not override Garrett on that decision.

So now I've got to wonder how much luster is gone from Garrett in Jones' eyes longer term. Is he still the front-runner to become the head coach after Wade?

our best shot is to roll with BJ. sure he's looked rusty, but he knows the offense. if the playcalling is right, and BJ deosnt try to do to much, they should be able to sustain drives. this obviously isnt the same team without Romo in there. but BJ is a salty vet, who wont be intimidated going into NY.

we need to get the ball to TO. since BJ cant really make the long throws, how bout WR screens, reverses, quick slants. if BJ has a bit of time to throw, there should be some opportunitys there.

we need to blitz the crap out of eli. he makes bad throws under pressure. if he has all day, as some QB's have had against the Cowboys, he'll pick us apart for sure.

i really think the Cowboys have a shot in this one. the momentum of their defensive effort from last week should carry over. we'll see.
The Cowboys have a better shot than many people think because, as you said, Eli is not a good QB under pressure. A dirty little secret from that ugly week 1 loss by the Redskins was that they literally dropped 4 or 5 INT's from Eli. I'm not exaggerating. One was even in the end zone. They only lost 16-7, so even catching just one or two could have had an effect upon the outcome, even as miserably as the Redskins were playing on offense. The Cowboys can win an ugly 13-10 type ball game if their defense steps up and the offensive line decides to get mean and block for Barber. And of course BJ cannot turn the ball over.

I unlike some others am not enthralled with Terrence Newman's abilities and I don't think he's anywhere near elite level as a CB, so his absence, while still a negative, isn't devastating. The key is getting pressure on Eli, even more than stopping the running game. None of those Giants RB's are game breakers IMHO, although that's otherwise a deep and good RB corps. If the Cowboys are knocking Eli down and getting a couple of INT's, the Giants could run for 200 yards and still lose.
Sure Dallas could win a tough defensive battle but I doubt that will happen. Sure Eli can be rattled but all qb's can with good pressure, but to imply that he is not able to over come pressure is not on target anymore. He can make the big play under pressure situations. The Skins are not in the Giants class and have been playing average to terrible ball the last 3 weeks. Had they not played the doormat of the league last week they would have lost. They are over ratted. I think Newman is a major upgrade over a rookie cb and is a big loss for this defense. I 100% agree that Dallas has to put pressure on Eli, the o-line has to run block and BJ can't turn the ball over, but that is obvious. B.Jacobs is a beast and can wear a defense down better then any rb in the league as well as the G-MEN's offensive line is the best in the NFL. Dallas has little chance to win this game as beat up as they are, now if this game was played when Dallas plays the Skins after the bye then Dallas can beat anyone once they get Romo F.Jones TNewman Witten Henry etc. back healthy. If Dallas wins this game with some big time luck the G-Men will never get over it and Dallas will win the division. The most likely scenario is Dallas Losses this week and is 5-4 and will have a hard time getting to 10 wins but should, and make a WC spot with either Philly Skins Tampa Minn in that order.
They're overrated and "Dallas can beat anyone with Romo", and yet the 'Skins beat Dallas in Dallas a month ago with Romo in the lineup? Ok chief, whatever.
 
Interesting that Garrett was the spear carrier for Johnson's return. I've still got to fault Jones a bit as it doesn't take a genius to figure out from watching Johnson work out that he's simply not a guy you can win with over multiple games. If Garrett simply had to have him on the roster, then it's the GM's job to get a 3rd stringer who can be viable too, if not override Garrett on that decision.

So now I've got to wonder how much luster is gone from Garrett in Jones' eyes longer term. Is he still the front-runner to become the head coach after Wade?

our best shot is to roll with BJ. sure he's looked rusty, but he knows the offense. if the playcalling is right, and BJ deosnt try to do to much, they should be able to sustain drives. this obviously isnt the same team without Romo in there. but BJ is a salty vet, who wont be intimidated going into NY.

we need to get the ball to TO. since BJ cant really make the long throws, how bout WR screens, reverses, quick slants. if BJ has a bit of time to throw, there should be some opportunitys there.

we need to blitz the crap out of eli. he makes bad throws under pressure. if he has all day, as some QB's have had against the Cowboys, he'll pick us apart for sure.

i really think the Cowboys have a shot in this one. the momentum of their defensive effort from last week should carry over. we'll see.
The Cowboys have a better shot than many people think because, as you said, Eli is not a good QB under pressure. A dirty little secret from that ugly week 1 loss by the Redskins was that they literally dropped 4 or 5 INT's from Eli. I'm not exaggerating. One was even in the end zone. They only lost 16-7, so even catching just one or two could have had an effect upon the outcome, even as miserably as the Redskins were playing on offense. The Cowboys can win an ugly 13-10 type ball game if their defense steps up and the offensive line decides to get mean and block for Barber. And of course BJ cannot turn the ball over.

I unlike some others am not enthralled with Terrence Newman's abilities and I don't think he's anywhere near elite level as a CB, so his absence, while still a negative, isn't devastating. The key is getting pressure on Eli, even more than stopping the running game. None of those Giants RB's are game breakers IMHO, although that's otherwise a deep and good RB corps. If the Cowboys are knocking Eli down and getting a couple of INT's, the Giants could run for 200 yards and still lose.
Sure Dallas could win a tough defensive battle but I doubt that will happen. Sure Eli can be rattled but all qb's can with good pressure, but to imply that he is not able to over come pressure is not on target anymore. He can make the big play under pressure situations. The Skins are not in the Giants class and have been playing average to terrible ball the last 3 weeks. Had they not played the doormat of the league last week they would have lost. They are over ratted. I think Newman is a major upgrade over a rookie cb and is a big loss for this defense. I 100% agree that Dallas has to put pressure on Eli, the o-line has to run block and BJ can't turn the ball over, but that is obvious. B.Jacobs is a beast and can wear a defense down better then any rb in the league as well as the G-MEN's offensive line is the best in the NFL. Dallas has little chance to win this game as beat up as they are, now if this game was played when Dallas plays the Skins after the bye then Dallas can beat anyone once they get Romo F.Jones TNewman Witten Henry etc. back healthy. If Dallas wins this game with some big time luck the G-Men will never get over it and Dallas will win the division. The most likely scenario is Dallas Losses this week and is 5-4 and will have a hard time getting to 10 wins but should, and make a WC spot with either Philly Skins Tampa Minn in that order.
They're overrated and "Dallas can beat anyone with Romo", and yet the 'Skins beat Dallas in Dallas a month ago with Romo in the lineup? Ok chief, whatever.
If you follow the NFC East you know the games are always close and talent level and the better team means next to nothing. The teams play each other very close and there is almost never a dominant team in the NFC east vs one another. The Skins are over ratted and it will show this Monday when they get handled buy the Steelers.
 
Mustang Man said:
Tatum Bell said:
Mustang Man said:
Interesting that Garrett was the spear carrier for Johnson's return. I've still got to fault Jones a bit as it doesn't take a genius to figure out from watching Johnson work out that he's simply not a guy you can win with over multiple games. If Garrett simply had to have him on the roster, then it's the GM's job to get a 3rd stringer who can be viable too, if not override Garrett on that decision.

So now I've got to wonder how much luster is gone from Garrett in Jones' eyes longer term. Is he still the front-runner to become the head coach after Wade?

our best shot is to roll with BJ. sure he's looked rusty, but he knows the offense. if the playcalling is right, and BJ deosnt try to do to much, they should be able to sustain drives. this obviously isnt the same team without Romo in there. but BJ is a salty vet, who wont be intimidated going into NY.

we need to get the ball to TO. since BJ cant really make the long throws, how bout WR screens, reverses, quick slants. if BJ has a bit of time to throw, there should be some opportunitys there.

we need to blitz the crap out of eli. he makes bad throws under pressure. if he has all day, as some QB's have had against the Cowboys, he'll pick us apart for sure.

i really think the Cowboys have a shot in this one. the momentum of their defensive effort from last week should carry over. we'll see.
The Cowboys have a better shot than many people think because, as you said, Eli is not a good QB under pressure. A dirty little secret from that ugly week 1 loss by the Redskins was that they literally dropped 4 or 5 INT's from Eli. I'm not exaggerating. One was even in the end zone. They only lost 16-7, so even catching just one or two could have had an effect upon the outcome, even as miserably as the Redskins were playing on offense. The Cowboys can win an ugly 13-10 type ball game if their defense steps up and the offensive line decides to get mean and block for Barber. And of course BJ cannot turn the ball over.

I unlike some others am not enthralled with Terrence Newman's abilities and I don't think he's anywhere near elite level as a CB, so his absence, while still a negative, isn't devastating. The key is getting pressure on Eli, even more than stopping the running game. None of those Giants RB's are game breakers IMHO, although that's otherwise a deep and good RB corps. If the Cowboys are knocking Eli down and getting a couple of INT's, the Giants could run for 200 yards and still lose.
Sure Dallas could win a tough defensive battle but I doubt that will happen. Sure Eli can be rattled but all qb's can with good pressure, but to imply that he is not able to over come pressure is not on target anymore. He can make the big play under pressure situations. The Skins are not in the Giants class and have been playing average to terrible ball the last 3 weeks. Had they not played the doormat of the league last week they would have lost. They are over ratted. I think Newman is a major upgrade over a rookie cb and is a big loss for this defense. I 100% agree that Dallas has to put pressure on Eli, the o-line has to run block and BJ can't turn the ball over, but that is obvious. B.Jacobs is a beast and can wear a defense down better then any rb in the league as well as the G-MEN's offensive line is the best in the NFL. Dallas has little chance to win this game as beat up as they are, now if this game was played when Dallas plays the Skins after the bye then Dallas can beat anyone once they get Romo F.Jones TNewman Witten Henry etc. back healthy. If Dallas wins this game with some big time luck the G-Men will never get over it and Dallas will win the division. The most likely scenario is Dallas Losses this week and is 5-4 and will have a hard time getting to 10 wins but should, and make a WC spot with either Philly Skins Tampa Minn in that order.
They're overrated and "Dallas can beat anyone with Romo", and yet the 'Skins beat Dallas in Dallas a month ago with Romo in the lineup? Ok chief, whatever.
If you follow the NFC East you know the games are always close and talent level and the better team means next to nothing. The teams play each other very close and there is almost never a dominant team in the NFC east vs one another. The Skins are over ratted and it will show this Monday when they get handled buy the Steelers.
Call the Redskins over rated if it makes you feel better. If the Cowboys lose this week they can kiss the NFC East goodbye, and with their schedule coming up they will be lucky to make a Wild Card.
 
Mustang Man said:
Tatum Bell said:
Mustang Man said:
Interesting that Garrett was the spear carrier for Johnson's return. I've still got to fault Jones a bit as it doesn't take a genius to figure out from watching Johnson work out that he's simply not a guy you can win with over multiple games. If Garrett simply had to have him on the roster, then it's the GM's job to get a 3rd stringer who can be viable too, if not override Garrett on that decision.

So now I've got to wonder how much luster is gone from Garrett in Jones' eyes longer term. Is he still the front-runner to become the head coach after Wade?

our best shot is to roll with BJ. sure he's looked rusty, but he knows the offense. if the playcalling is right, and BJ deosnt try to do to much, they should be able to sustain drives. this obviously isnt the same team without Romo in there. but BJ is a salty vet, who wont be intimidated going into NY.

we need to get the ball to TO. since BJ cant really make the long throws, how bout WR screens, reverses, quick slants. if BJ has a bit of time to throw, there should be some opportunitys there.

we need to blitz the crap out of eli. he makes bad throws under pressure. if he has all day, as some QB's have had against the Cowboys, he'll pick us apart for sure.

i really think the Cowboys have a shot in this one. the momentum of their defensive effort from last week should carry over. we'll see.
The Cowboys have a better shot than many people think because, as you said, Eli is not a good QB under pressure. A dirty little secret from that ugly week 1 loss by the Redskins was that they literally dropped 4 or 5 INT's from Eli. I'm not exaggerating. One was even in the end zone. They only lost 16-7, so even catching just one or two could have had an effect upon the outcome, even as miserably as the Redskins were playing on offense. The Cowboys can win an ugly 13-10 type ball game if their defense steps up and the offensive line decides to get mean and block for Barber. And of course BJ cannot turn the ball over.

I unlike some others am not enthralled with Terrence Newman's abilities and I don't think he's anywhere near elite level as a CB, so his absence, while still a negative, isn't devastating. The key is getting pressure on Eli, even more than stopping the running game. None of those Giants RB's are game breakers IMHO, although that's otherwise a deep and good RB corps. If the Cowboys are knocking Eli down and getting a couple of INT's, the Giants could run for 200 yards and still lose.
Sure Dallas could win a tough defensive battle but I doubt that will happen. Sure Eli can be rattled but all qb's can with good pressure, but to imply that he is not able to over come pressure is not on target anymore. He can make the big play under pressure situations. The Skins are not in the Giants class and have been playing average to terrible ball the last 3 weeks. Had they not played the doormat of the league last week they would have lost. They are over ratted. I think Newman is a major upgrade over a rookie cb and is a big loss for this defense. I 100% agree that Dallas has to put pressure on Eli, the o-line has to run block and BJ can't turn the ball over, but that is obvious. B.Jacobs is a beast and can wear a defense down better then any rb in the league as well as the G-MEN's offensive line is the best in the NFL. Dallas has little chance to win this game as beat up as they are, now if this game was played when Dallas plays the Skins after the bye then Dallas can beat anyone once they get Romo F.Jones TNewman Witten Henry etc. back healthy. If Dallas wins this game with some big time luck the G-Men will never get over it and Dallas will win the division. The most likely scenario is Dallas Losses this week and is 5-4 and will have a hard time getting to 10 wins but should, and make a WC spot with either Philly Skins Tampa Minn in that order.
They're overrated and "Dallas can beat anyone with Romo", and yet the 'Skins beat Dallas in Dallas a month ago with Romo in the lineup? Ok chief, whatever.
If you follow the NFC East you know the games are always close and talent level and the better team means next to nothing. The teams play each other very close and there is almost never a dominant team in the NFC east vs one another. The Skins are over ratted and it will show this Monday when they get handled buy the Steelers.
Call the Redskins over rated if it makes you feel better. If the Cowboys lose this week they can kiss the NFC East goodbye, and with their schedule coming up they will be lucky to make a Wild Card.
You might be right about the East title...but lucky to win the WildCard is a little overstated.
 
You might be right about the East title...but lucky to win the WildCard is a little overstated.
If they lose this week, then they need to finish 5-2 to end up with 10 wins, the presumed floor for making the playoffs as a Wild Card team. I won't say they can't do that, but that means that they have to play at a very high level over 7 weeks, and they were already starting to show some inconsistency even with Romo still in their lineup before his injury. Even ignoring their injury problems to Witten and others, that's where mental toughness and leadership come in and those are precisely the areas that people are questioning about them right now, and not just this season. One more thing - people seem to talk like Romo's return will solve the leadership problem. I'm not sure that Romo at this point is anything other than the best QB on the team. Certainly they'll improve when he returns because of that fact, but I still wonder how much his "boy wonder" personality/style translates to rallying this team as a leader when times are bad and there is turmoil.
 
Bankerguy said:
Mustang Man said:
Tatum Bell said:
Mustang Man said:
Interesting that Garrett was the spear carrier for Johnson's return. I've still got to fault Jones a bit as it doesn't take a genius to figure out from watching Johnson work out that he's simply not a guy you can win with over multiple games. If Garrett simply had to have him on the roster, then it's the GM's job to get a 3rd stringer who can be viable too, if not override Garrett on that decision.

So now I've got to wonder how much luster is gone from Garrett in Jones' eyes longer term. Is he still the front-runner to become the head coach after Wade?

our best shot is to roll with BJ. sure he's looked rusty, but he knows the offense. if the playcalling is right, and BJ deosnt try to do to much, they should be able to sustain drives. this obviously isnt the same team without Romo in there. but BJ is a salty vet, who wont be intimidated going into NY.

we need to get the ball to TO. since BJ cant really make the long throws, how bout WR screens, reverses, quick slants. if BJ has a bit of time to throw, there should be some opportunitys there.

we need to blitz the crap out of eli. he makes bad throws under pressure. if he has all day, as some QB's have had against the Cowboys, he'll pick us apart for sure.

i really think the Cowboys have a shot in this one. the momentum of their defensive effort from last week should carry over. we'll see.
The Cowboys have a better shot than many people think because, as you said, Eli is not a good QB under pressure. A dirty little secret from that ugly week 1 loss by the Redskins was that they literally dropped 4 or 5 INT's from Eli. I'm not exaggerating. One was even in the end zone. They only lost 16-7, so even catching just one or two could have had an effect upon the outcome, even as miserably as the Redskins were playing on offense. The Cowboys can win an ugly 13-10 type ball game if their defense steps up and the offensive line decides to get mean and block for Barber. And of course BJ cannot turn the ball over.

I unlike some others am not enthralled with Terrence Newman's abilities and I don't think he's anywhere near elite level as a CB, so his absence, while still a negative, isn't devastating. The key is getting pressure on Eli, even more than stopping the running game. None of those Giants RB's are game breakers IMHO, although that's otherwise a deep and good RB corps. If the Cowboys are knocking Eli down and getting a couple of INT's, the Giants could run for 200 yards and still lose.
Sure Dallas could win a tough defensive battle but I doubt that will happen. Sure Eli can be rattled but all qb's can with good pressure, but to imply that he is not able to over come pressure is not on target anymore. He can make the big play under pressure situations. The Skins are not in the Giants class and have been playing average to terrible ball the last 3 weeks. Had they not played the doormat of the league last week they would have lost. They are over ratted. I think Newman is a major upgrade over a rookie cb and is a big loss for this defense. I 100% agree that Dallas has to put pressure on Eli, the o-line has to run block and BJ can't turn the ball over, but that is obvious. B.Jacobs is a beast and can wear a defense down better then any rb in the league as well as the G-MEN's offensive line is the best in the NFL. Dallas has little chance to win this game as beat up as they are, now if this game was played when Dallas plays the Skins after the bye then Dallas can beat anyone once they get Romo F.Jones TNewman Witten Henry etc. back healthy. If Dallas wins this game with some big time luck the G-Men will never get over it and Dallas will win the division. The most likely scenario is Dallas Losses this week and is 5-4 and will have a hard time getting to 10 wins but should, and make a WC spot with either Philly Skins Tampa Minn in that order.
They're overrated and "Dallas can beat anyone with Romo", and yet the 'Skins beat Dallas in Dallas a month ago with Romo in the lineup? Ok chief, whatever.
If you follow the NFC East you know the games are always close and talent level and the better team means next to nothing. The teams play each other very close and there is almost never a dominant team in the NFC east vs one another. The Skins are over ratted and it will show this Monday when they get handled buy the Steelers.
Call the Redskins over rated if it makes you feel better. If the Cowboys lose this week they can kiss the NFC East goodbye, and with their schedule coming up they will be lucky to make a Wild Card.
You might be right about the East title...but lucky to win the WildCard is a little overstated.
After the by the Cowboys are at Washington, Pittsburgh, and Phily and have the Giants and Balitimore at home with two games that look easy in San Fran and Seattle. If they lose this week with the way the rest of the NFC is playing they are going to need help to even make the playoffs.

 
1. Tony Romo - Big play..big turnover type of QB. Seems to like Hollywood more than football.

2. TO- No matter what you say about TO the guy is a cancer. If everything is going his way TO can fake like he is a team player, when thing are not going his way his lack of character comes through.

3. Roy Williams- Roy is a good WR and a fun guy. A winner?? I am not to sure about that.

4. Pacman- A mistake from the get go. Jones was dealing with the devil and he knew it.

 
Bankerguy said:
Mustang Man said:
Tatum Bell said:
Mustang Man said:
Interesting that Garrett was the spear carrier for Johnson's return. I've still got to fault Jones a bit as it doesn't take a genius to figure out from watching Johnson work out that he's simply not a guy you can win with over multiple games. If Garrett simply had to have him on the roster, then it's the GM's job to get a 3rd stringer who can be viable too, if not override Garrett on that decision.

So now I've got to wonder how much luster is gone from Garrett in Jones' eyes longer term. Is he still the front-runner to become the head coach after Wade?

our best shot is to roll with BJ. sure he's looked rusty, but he knows the offense. if the playcalling is right, and BJ deosnt try to do to much, they should be able to sustain drives. this obviously isnt the same team without Romo in there. but BJ is a salty vet, who wont be intimidated going into NY.

we need to get the ball to TO. since BJ cant really make the long throws, how bout WR screens, reverses, quick slants. if BJ has a bit of time to throw, there should be some opportunitys there.

we need to blitz the crap out of eli. he makes bad throws under pressure. if he has all day, as some QB's have had against the Cowboys, he'll pick us apart for sure.

i really think the Cowboys have a shot in this one. the momentum of their defensive effort from last week should carry over. we'll see.
The Cowboys have a better shot than many people think because, as you said, Eli is not a good QB under pressure. A dirty little secret from that ugly week 1 loss by the Redskins was that they literally dropped 4 or 5 INT's from Eli. I'm not exaggerating. One was even in the end zone. They only lost 16-7, so even catching just one or two could have had an effect upon the outcome, even as miserably as the Redskins were playing on offense. The Cowboys can win an ugly 13-10 type ball game if their defense steps up and the offensive line decides to get mean and block for Barber. And of course BJ cannot turn the ball over.

I unlike some others am not enthralled with Terrence Newman's abilities and I don't think he's anywhere near elite level as a CB, so his absence, while still a negative, isn't devastating. The key is getting pressure on Eli, even more than stopping the running game. None of those Giants RB's are game breakers IMHO, although that's otherwise a deep and good RB corps. If the Cowboys are knocking Eli down and getting a couple of INT's, the Giants could run for 200 yards and still lose.
Sure Dallas could win a tough defensive battle but I doubt that will happen. Sure Eli can be rattled but all qb's can with good pressure, but to imply that he is not able to over come pressure is not on target anymore. He can make the big play under pressure situations. The Skins are not in the Giants class and have been playing average to terrible ball the last 3 weeks. Had they not played the doormat of the league last week they would have lost. They are over ratted. I think Newman is a major upgrade over a rookie cb and is a big loss for this defense. I 100% agree that Dallas has to put pressure on Eli, the o-line has to run block and BJ can't turn the ball over, but that is obvious. B.Jacobs is a beast and can wear a defense down better then any rb in the league as well as the G-MEN's offensive line is the best in the NFL. Dallas has little chance to win this game as beat up as they are, now if this game was played when Dallas plays the Skins after the bye then Dallas can beat anyone once they get Romo F.Jones TNewman Witten Henry etc. back healthy. If Dallas wins this game with some big time luck the G-Men will never get over it and Dallas will win the division. The most likely scenario is Dallas Losses this week and is 5-4 and will have a hard time getting to 10 wins but should, and make a WC spot with either Philly Skins Tampa Minn in that order.
They're overrated and "Dallas can beat anyone with Romo", and yet the 'Skins beat Dallas in Dallas a month ago with Romo in the lineup? Ok chief, whatever.
If you follow the NFC East you know the games are always close and talent level and the better team means next to nothing. The teams play each other very close and there is almost never a dominant team in the NFC east vs one another. The Skins are over ratted and it will show this Monday when they get handled buy the Steelers.
Call the Redskins over rated if it makes you feel better. If the Cowboys lose this week they can kiss the NFC East goodbye, and with their schedule coming up they will be lucky to make a Wild Card.
You might be right about the East title...but lucky to win the WildCard is a little overstated.
After the by the Cowboys are at (Washington, Pittsburgh, and Phily and have the Giants and Balitimore at home) with two games that look easy in San Fran and Seattle. If they lose this week with the way the rest of the NFC is playing they are going to need help to even make the playoffs.
How would they need help if they lost this week. Needing help implies they need other teams to lose and that just is not the case. They would only have 4 losses and could lose two more and most likely still be in the playoffs. If everyone wants to count Dallas out if they lose this week go ahead but they are not. Yes the schedule is tough but with the key parts back after the bye you have to be crazy to think they can't go 5-2. I can see the Cowboys going 3-2 at worst against the tough part of the Schedule.(Washington, Pittsburgh, and Phily and have the Giants and Balitimore at home.)
 
Mustang Man said:
Tatum Bell said:
Mustang Man said:
Interesting that Garrett was the spear carrier for Johnson's return. I've still got to fault Jones a bit as it doesn't take a genius to figure out from watching Johnson work out that he's simply not a guy you can win with over multiple games. If Garrett simply had to have him on the roster, then it's the GM's job to get a 3rd stringer who can be viable too, if not override Garrett on that decision.

So now I've got to wonder how much luster is gone from Garrett in Jones' eyes longer term. Is he still the front-runner to become the head coach after Wade?

our best shot is to roll with BJ. sure he's looked rusty, but he knows the offense. if the playcalling is right, and BJ deosnt try to do to much, they should be able to sustain drives. this obviously isnt the same team without Romo in there. but BJ is a salty vet, who wont be intimidated going into NY.

we need to get the ball to TO. since BJ cant really make the long throws, how bout WR screens, reverses, quick slants. if BJ has a bit of time to throw, there should be some opportunitys there.

we need to blitz the crap out of eli. he makes bad throws under pressure. if he has all day, as some QB's have had against the Cowboys, he'll pick us apart for sure.

i really think the Cowboys have a shot in this one. the momentum of their defensive effort from last week should carry over. we'll see.
The Cowboys have a better shot than many people think because, as you said, Eli is not a good QB under pressure. A dirty little secret from that ugly week 1 loss by the Redskins was that they literally dropped 4 or 5 INT's from Eli. I'm not exaggerating. One was even in the end zone. They only lost 16-7, so even catching just one or two could have had an effect upon the outcome, even as miserably as the Redskins were playing on offense. The Cowboys can win an ugly 13-10 type ball game if their defense steps up and the offensive line decides to get mean and block for Barber. And of course BJ cannot turn the ball over.

I unlike some others am not enthralled with Terrence Newman's abilities and I don't think he's anywhere near elite level as a CB, so his absence, while still a negative, isn't devastating. The key is getting pressure on Eli, even more than stopping the running game. None of those Giants RB's are game breakers IMHO, although that's otherwise a deep and good RB corps. If the Cowboys are knocking Eli down and getting a couple of INT's, the Giants could run for 200 yards and still lose.
Sure Dallas could win a tough defensive battle but I doubt that will happen. Sure Eli can be rattled but all qb's can with good pressure, but to imply that he is not able to over come pressure is not on target anymore. He can make the big play under pressure situations. The Skins are not in the Giants class and have been playing average to terrible ball the last 3 weeks. Had they not played the doormat of the league last week they would have lost. They are over ratted. I think Newman is a major upgrade over a rookie cb and is a big loss for this defense. I 100% agree that Dallas has to put pressure on Eli, the o-line has to run block and BJ can't turn the ball over, but that is obvious. B.Jacobs is a beast and can wear a defense down better then any rb in the league as well as the G-MEN's offensive line is the best in the NFL. Dallas has little chance to win this game as beat up as they are, now if this game was played when Dallas plays the Skins after the bye then Dallas can beat anyone once they get Romo F.Jones TNewman Witten Henry etc. back healthy. If Dallas wins this game with some big time luck the G-Men will never get over it and Dallas will win the division. The most likely scenario is Dallas Losses this week and is 5-4 and will have a hard time getting to 10 wins but should, and make a WC spot with either Philly Skins Tampa Minn in that order.
They're overrated and "Dallas can beat anyone with Romo", and yet the 'Skins beat Dallas in Dallas a month ago with Romo in the lineup? Ok chief, whatever.
If you follow the NFC East you know the games are always close and talent level and the better team means next to nothing. The teams play each other very close and there is almost never a dominant team in the NFC east vs one another. The Skins are over ratted and it will show this Monday when they get handled buy the Steelers.
Call the Redskins over rated if it makes you feel better. If the Cowboys lose this week they can kiss the NFC East goodbye, and with their schedule coming up they will be lucky to make a Wild Card.
If you read the last sentence in my post I said that the most likely scenario is that Dallas makes a WC spot and will not win the division and to the win the division really is not a big deal. You can go all the way without doing that. Also to call the Redskins over rated does not make me feel better, really I hardly ever even think about them wish I could say the same about you and the Cowboys. :goodposting:
 
By the way I live in Baltimore and I follow the Ravens pretty close. The Ravens match up terrible vs the Cowboys. The Ravens have tough times vs teams with a top passing attack. Also the Ravens can't stretch the field to attack the Cowboys weakness in the secondary. One more thing the Ravens are not a good road team but are almost unbeatable at home. Unless the Ravens force about 5 TO'S they will lose. Not to mention Flacco is a rookie and I believe it is the last game at Texas stadium it will be rocking!!

 
Tatum Bell said:
Bankerguy said:
You might be right about the East title...but lucky to win the WildCard is a little overstated.
If they lose this week, then they need to finish 5-2 to end up with 10 wins, the presumed floor for making the playoffs as a Wild Card team. I won't say they can't do that, but that means that they have to play at a very high level over 7 weeks, and they were already starting to show some inconsistency even with Romo still in their lineup before his injury. Even ignoring their injury problems to Witten and others, that's where mental toughness and leadership come in and those are precisely the areas that people are questioning about them right now, and not just this season. One more thing - people seem to talk like Romo's return will solve the leadership problem. I'm not sure that Romo at this point is anything other than the best QB on the team. Certainly they'll improve when he returns because of that fact, but I still wonder how much his "boy wonder" personality/style translates to rallying this team as a leader when times are bad and there is turmoil.
This where you guys some times twist things. Romo returning improves the Quarterback positionperiod. The difference between the players is HUGE. Even if Romo was a total cancer (Which he isn't-this would still results in wins). You also point out some valid observations and questions that every team has to some degree. Really though, I don't see any reason why we can't win 5 of the last 7. :lmao:
 
I unlike some others am not enthralled with Terrence Newman's abilities and I don't think he's anywhere near elite level as a CB, so his absence, while still a negative, isn't devastating.
FWIW, at the end of each season, Dallas, as well as several other teams, get together and have coaches/scouts submit lists of the top 20 players on the other teams' rosters. According to Jerry, Wade, (and Tuna when he was coach), Ware and Newman are consistently rated as the top 2 players by far on the defense. So NFL insiders consider Newman to be an elite player. The same level as Ware. Sorry for the hijack, but thought I'd throw that out there.
 
Bankerguy said:
Mustang Man said:
Tatum Bell said:
Mustang Man said:
Interesting that Garrett was the spear carrier for Johnson's return. I've still got to fault Jones a bit as it doesn't take a genius to figure out from watching Johnson work out that he's simply not a guy you can win with over multiple games. If Garrett simply had to have him on the roster, then it's the GM's job to get a 3rd stringer who can be viable too, if not override Garrett on that decision.

So now I've got to wonder how much luster is gone from Garrett in Jones' eyes longer term. Is he still the front-runner to become the head coach after Wade?

our best shot is to roll with BJ. sure he's looked rusty, but he knows the offense. if the playcalling is right, and BJ deosnt try to do to much, they should be able to sustain drives. this obviously isnt the same team without Romo in there. but BJ is a salty vet, who wont be intimidated going into NY.

we need to get the ball to TO. since BJ cant really make the long throws, how bout WR screens, reverses, quick slants. if BJ has a bit of time to throw, there should be some opportunitys there.

we need to blitz the crap out of eli. he makes bad throws under pressure. if he has all day, as some QB's have had against the Cowboys, he'll pick us apart for sure.

i really think the Cowboys have a shot in this one. the momentum of their defensive effort from last week should carry over. we'll see.
The Cowboys have a better shot than many people think because, as you said, Eli is not a good QB under pressure. A dirty little secret from that ugly week 1 loss by the Redskins was that they literally dropped 4 or 5 INT's from Eli. I'm not exaggerating. One was even in the end zone. They only lost 16-7, so even catching just one or two could have had an effect upon the outcome, even as miserably as the Redskins were playing on offense. The Cowboys can win an ugly 13-10 type ball game if their defense steps up and the offensive line decides to get mean and block for Barber. And of course BJ cannot turn the ball over.

I unlike some others am not enthralled with Terrence Newman's abilities and I don't think he's anywhere near elite level as a CB, so his absence, while still a negative, isn't devastating. The key is getting pressure on Eli, even more than stopping the running game. None of those Giants RB's are game breakers IMHO, although that's otherwise a deep and good RB corps. If the Cowboys are knocking Eli down and getting a couple of INT's, the Giants could run for 200 yards and still lose.
Sure Dallas could win a tough defensive battle but I doubt that will happen. Sure Eli can be rattled but all qb's can with good pressure, but to imply that he is not able to over come pressure is not on target anymore. He can make the big play under pressure situations. The Skins are not in the Giants class and have been playing average to terrible ball the last 3 weeks. Had they not played the doormat of the league last week they would have lost. They are over ratted. I think Newman is a major upgrade over a rookie cb and is a big loss for this defense. I 100% agree that Dallas has to put pressure on Eli, the o-line has to run block and BJ can't turn the ball over, but that is obvious. B.Jacobs is a beast and can wear a defense down better then any rb in the league as well as the G-MEN's offensive line is the best in the NFL. Dallas has little chance to win this game as beat up as they are, now if this game was played when Dallas plays the Skins after the bye then Dallas can beat anyone once they get Romo F.Jones TNewman Witten Henry etc. back healthy. If Dallas wins this game with some big time luck the G-Men will never get over it and Dallas will win the division. The most likely scenario is Dallas Losses this week and is 5-4 and will have a hard time getting to 10 wins but should, and make a WC spot with either Philly Skins Tampa Minn in that order.
They're overrated and "Dallas can beat anyone with Romo", and yet the 'Skins beat Dallas in Dallas a month ago with Romo in the lineup? Ok chief, whatever.
If you follow the NFC East you know the games are always close and talent level and the better team means next to nothing. The teams play each other very close and there is almost never a dominant team in the NFC east vs one another. The Skins are over ratted and it will show this Monday when they get handled buy the Steelers.
Call the Redskins over rated if it makes you feel better. If the Cowboys lose this week they can kiss the NFC East goodbye, and with their schedule coming up they will be lucky to make a Wild Card.
You might be right about the East title...but lucky to win the WildCard is a little overstated.
After the by the Cowboys are at (Washington, Pittsburgh, and Phily and have the Giants and Balitimore at home) with two games that look easy in San Fran and Seattle. If they lose this week with the way the rest of the NFC is playing they are going to need help to even make the playoffs.
How would they need help if they lost this week. Needing help implies they need other teams to lose and that just is not the case. They would only have 4 losses and could lose two more and most likely still be in the playoffs. If everyone wants to count Dallas out if they lose this week go ahead but they are not. Yes the schedule is tough but with the key parts back after the bye you have to be crazy to think they can't go 5-2. I can see the Cowboys going 3-2 at worst against the tough part of the Schedule.(Washington, Pittsburgh, and Phily and have the Giants and Balitimore at home.)
I have to be crazy to think that they might lose to a good Steelers team, a Redskins team that already beat them (when they were healthy) and a Eagles team that nearly beat them?? At least take your fan goggles off for a second and look at it rationaly. And i'm not counting them out, just saying that these next two weeks are huge for the Cowboys, I'm very curious to see how it will play out, and how the team reacts. The fault with this team is lack of leadership, this stretch of the schedule is where they need someone to steup up and pull the team together.
 
Mustang Man said:
Tatum Bell said:
Mustang Man said:
Interesting that Garrett was the spear carrier for Johnson's return. I've still got to fault Jones a bit as it doesn't take a genius to figure out from watching Johnson work out that he's simply not a guy you can win with over multiple games. If Garrett simply had to have him on the roster, then it's the GM's job to get a 3rd stringer who can be viable too, if not override Garrett on that decision.

So now I've got to wonder how much luster is gone from Garrett in Jones' eyes longer term. Is he still the front-runner to become the head coach after Wade?

our best shot is to roll with BJ. sure he's looked rusty, but he knows the offense. if the playcalling is right, and BJ deosnt try to do to much, they should be able to sustain drives. this obviously isnt the same team without Romo in there. but BJ is a salty vet, who wont be intimidated going into NY.

we need to get the ball to TO. since BJ cant really make the long throws, how bout WR screens, reverses, quick slants. if BJ has a bit of time to throw, there should be some opportunitys there.

we need to blitz the crap out of eli. he makes bad throws under pressure. if he has all day, as some QB's have had against the Cowboys, he'll pick us apart for sure.

i really think the Cowboys have a shot in this one. the momentum of their defensive effort from last week should carry over. we'll see.
The Cowboys have a better shot than many people think because, as you said, Eli is not a good QB under pressure. A dirty little secret from that ugly week 1 loss by the Redskins was that they literally dropped 4 or 5 INT's from Eli. I'm not exaggerating. One was even in the end zone. They only lost 16-7, so even catching just one or two could have had an effect upon the outcome, even as miserably as the Redskins were playing on offense. The Cowboys can win an ugly 13-10 type ball game if their defense steps up and the offensive line decides to get mean and block for Barber. And of course BJ cannot turn the ball over.

I unlike some others am not enthralled with Terrence Newman's abilities and I don't think he's anywhere near elite level as a CB, so his absence, while still a negative, isn't devastating. The key is getting pressure on Eli, even more than stopping the running game. None of those Giants RB's are game breakers IMHO, although that's otherwise a deep and good RB corps. If the Cowboys are knocking Eli down and getting a couple of INT's, the Giants could run for 200 yards and still lose.
Sure Dallas could win a tough defensive battle but I doubt that will happen. Sure Eli can be rattled but all qb's can with good pressure, but to imply that he is not able to over come pressure is not on target anymore. He can make the big play under pressure situations. The Skins are not in the Giants class and have been playing average to terrible ball the last 3 weeks. Had they not played the doormat of the league last week they would have lost. They are over ratted. I think Newman is a major upgrade over a rookie cb and is a big loss for this defense. I 100% agree that Dallas has to put pressure on Eli, the o-line has to run block and BJ can't turn the ball over, but that is obvious. B.Jacobs is a beast and can wear a defense down better then any rb in the league as well as the G-MEN's offensive line is the best in the NFL. Dallas has little chance to win this game as beat up as they are, now if this game was played when Dallas plays the Skins after the bye then Dallas can beat anyone once they get Romo F.Jones TNewman Witten Henry etc. back healthy. If Dallas wins this game with some big time luck the G-Men will never get over it and Dallas will win the division. The most likely scenario is Dallas Losses this week and is 5-4 and will have a hard time getting to 10 wins but should, and make a WC spot with either Philly Skins Tampa Minn in that order.
They're overrated and "Dallas can beat anyone with Romo", and yet the 'Skins beat Dallas in Dallas a month ago with Romo in the lineup? Ok chief, whatever.
If you follow the NFC East you know the games are always close and talent level and the better team means next to nothing. The teams play each other very close and there is almost never a dominant team in the NFC east vs one another. The Skins are over ratted and it will show this Monday when they get handled buy the Steelers.
Call the Redskins over rated if it makes you feel better. If the Cowboys lose this week they can kiss the NFC East goodbye, and with their schedule coming up they will be lucky to make a Wild Card.
If you read the last sentence in my post I said that the most likely scenario is that Dallas makes a WC spot and will not win the division and to the win the division really is not a big deal. You can go all the way without doing that. Also to call the Redskins over rated does not make me feel better, really I hardly ever even think about them wish I could say the same about you and the Cowboys. :sadbanana:
:coffee: I enjoy the Cowboys. Just like I enjoy the Eagles and the Giants. I find the rivalry between these teams to be among the greatest in sports. Something I've noticed that alot of newer/younger fans seem to confuse with straight hatred. And although I am a huge Redskins fan I can take my Burgandy and Gold glasses off and look at my team objectively from time to time. You should try it some time.

 
I unlike some others am not enthralled with Terrence Newman's abilities and I don't think he's anywhere near elite level as a CB, so his absence, while still a negative, isn't devastating.
FWIW, at the end of each season, Dallas, as well as several other teams, get together and have coaches/scouts submit lists of the top 20 players on the other teams' rosters. According to Jerry, Wade, (and Tuna when he was coach), Ware and Newman are consistently rated as the top 2 players by far on the defense. So NFL insiders consider Newman to be an elite player. The same level as Ware. Sorry for the hijack, but thought I'd throw that out there.
Since when is the Dallas defense filled with elite players? I like some of their talent, but saying that Newman and Ware are rated better than the others doesn't refute my point. I didn't say he sucks, just that he's not elite, but you wouldn't know that from the praise that Cowboys fans seem to heap on him (not to mention the Pro Bowl votes they can throw around like confetti). Maybe that's just a product of so many years of frustration with the Mario Edwards' of the world. Do you consider Newman to be a shutdown corner? Santana Moss doesn't.
 
I unlike some others am not enthralled with Terrence Newman's abilities and I don't think he's anywhere near elite level as a CB, so his absence, while still a negative, isn't devastating.
FWIW, at the end of each season, Dallas, as well as several other teams, get together and have coaches/scouts submit lists of the top 20 players on the other teams' rosters. According to Jerry, Wade, (and Tuna when he was coach), Ware and Newman are consistently rated as the top 2 players by far on the defense. So NFL insiders consider Newman to be an elite player. The same level as Ware. Sorry for the hijack, but thought I'd throw that out there.
Since when is the Dallas defense filled with elite players? I like some of their talent, but saying that Newman and Ware are rated better than the others doesn't refute my point. I didn't say he sucks, just that he's not elite, but you wouldn't know that from the praise that Cowboys fans seem to heap on him (not to mention the Pro Bowl votes they can throw around like confetti). Maybe that's just a product of so many years of frustration with the Mario Edwards' of the world. Do you consider Newman to be a shutdown corner? Santana Moss doesn't.
Moss had 1 catch on Newman the last game. Also, the previous Moss success had more to do with Roy Williams getting beat over the top. Ask Steve Smith what he thinks of Newman.
 
Bankerguy said:
Mustang Man said:
Tatum Bell said:
Mustang Man said:
Interesting that Garrett was the spear carrier for Johnson's return. I've still got to fault Jones a bit as it doesn't take a genius to figure out from watching Johnson work out that he's simply not a guy you can win with over multiple games. If Garrett simply had to have him on the roster, then it's the GM's job to get a 3rd stringer who can be viable too, if not override Garrett on that decision.

So now I've got to wonder how much luster is gone from Garrett in Jones' eyes longer term. Is he still the front-runner to become the head coach after Wade?

our best shot is to roll with BJ. sure he's looked rusty, but he knows the offense. if the playcalling is right, and BJ deosnt try to do to much, they should be able to sustain drives. this obviously isnt the same team without Romo in there. but BJ is a salty vet, who wont be intimidated going into NY.

we need to get the ball to TO. since BJ cant really make the long throws, how bout WR screens, reverses, quick slants. if BJ has a bit of time to throw, there should be some opportunitys there.

we need to blitz the crap out of eli. he makes bad throws under pressure. if he has all day, as some QB's have had against the Cowboys, he'll pick us apart for sure.

i really think the Cowboys have a shot in this one. the momentum of their defensive effort from last week should carry over. we'll see.
The Cowboys have a better shot than many people think because, as you said, Eli is not a good QB under pressure. A dirty little secret from that ugly week 1 loss by the Redskins was that they literally dropped 4 or 5 INT's from Eli. I'm not exaggerating. One was even in the end zone. They only lost 16-7, so even catching just one or two could have had an effect upon the outcome, even as miserably as the Redskins were playing on offense. The Cowboys can win an ugly 13-10 type ball game if their defense steps up and the offensive line decides to get mean and block for Barber. And of course BJ cannot turn the ball over.

I unlike some others am not enthralled with Terrence Newman's abilities and I don't think he's anywhere near elite level as a CB, so his absence, while still a negative, isn't devastating. The key is getting pressure on Eli, even more than stopping the running game. None of those Giants RB's are game breakers IMHO, although that's otherwise a deep and good RB corps. If the Cowboys are knocking Eli down and getting a couple of INT's, the Giants could run for 200 yards and still lose.
Sure Dallas could win a tough defensive battle but I doubt that will happen. Sure Eli can be rattled but all qb's can with good pressure, but to imply that he is not able to over come pressure is not on target anymore. He can make the big play under pressure situations. The Skins are not in the Giants class and have been playing average to terrible ball the last 3 weeks. Had they not played the doormat of the league last week they would have lost. They are over ratted. I think Newman is a major upgrade over a rookie cb and is a big loss for this defense. I 100% agree that Dallas has to put pressure on Eli, the o-line has to run block and BJ can't turn the ball over, but that is obvious. B.Jacobs is a beast and can wear a defense down better then any rb in the league as well as the G-MEN's offensive line is the best in the NFL. Dallas has little chance to win this game as beat up as they are, now if this game was played when Dallas plays the Skins after the bye then Dallas can beat anyone once they get Romo F.Jones TNewman Witten Henry etc. back healthy. If Dallas wins this game with some big time luck the G-Men will never get over it and Dallas will win the division. The most likely scenario is Dallas Losses this week and is 5-4 and will have a hard time getting to 10 wins but should, and make a WC spot with either Philly Skins Tampa Minn in that order.
They're overrated and "Dallas can beat anyone with Romo", and yet the 'Skins beat Dallas in Dallas a month ago with Romo in the lineup? Ok chief, whatever.
If you follow the NFC East you know the games are always close and talent level and the better team means next to nothing. The teams play each other very close and there is almost never a dominant team in the NFC east vs one another. The Skins are over ratted and it will show this Monday when they get handled buy the Steelers.
Call the Redskins over rated if it makes you feel better. If the Cowboys lose this week they can kiss the NFC East goodbye, and with their schedule coming up they will be lucky to make a Wild Card.
You might be right about the East title...but lucky to win the WildCard is a little overstated.
After the by the Cowboys are at (Washington, Pittsburgh, and Phily and have the Giants and Balitimore at home) with two games that look easy in San Fran and Seattle. If they lose this week with the way the rest of the NFC is playing they are going to need help to even make the playoffs.
How would they need help if they lost this week. Needing help implies they need other teams to lose and that just is not the case. They would only have 4 losses and could lose two more and most likely still be in the playoffs. If everyone wants to count Dallas out if they lose this week go ahead but they are not. Yes the schedule is tough but with the key parts back after the bye you have to be crazy to think they can't go 5-2. I can see the Cowboys going 3-2 at worst against the tough part of the Schedule.(Washington, Pittsburgh, and Phily and have the Giants and Balitimore at home.)
I have to be crazy to think that they might lose to a good Steelers team, a Redskins team that already beat them (when they were healthy) and a Eagles team that nearly beat them?? At least take your fan goggles off for a second and look at it rationaly. And i'm not counting them out, just saying that these next two weeks are huge for the Cowboys, I'm very curious to see how it will play out, and how the team reacts. The fault with this team is lack of leadership, this stretch of the schedule is where they need someone to steup up and pull the team together.
With all that said and it sounds great, the fact is they do not need HELP as you said. They control their own path. No need to take of any goggles, just stating fact. Also I believe 100% they can go 5-2 and should. Good luck to ya and the Skins
 
Mustang Man said:
Tatum Bell said:
Mustang Man said:
Interesting that Garrett was the spear carrier for Johnson's return. I've still got to fault Jones a bit as it doesn't take a genius to figure out from watching Johnson work out that he's simply not a guy you can win with over multiple games. If Garrett simply had to have him on the roster, then it's the GM's job to get a 3rd stringer who can be viable too, if not override Garrett on that decision.

So now I've got to wonder how much luster is gone from Garrett in Jones' eyes longer term. Is he still the front-runner to become the head coach after Wade?

our best shot is to roll with BJ. sure he's looked rusty, but he knows the offense. if the playcalling is right, and BJ deosnt try to do to much, they should be able to sustain drives. this obviously isnt the same team without Romo in there. but BJ is a salty vet, who wont be intimidated going into NY.

we need to get the ball to TO. since BJ cant really make the long throws, how bout WR screens, reverses, quick slants. if BJ has a bit of time to throw, there should be some opportunitys there.

we need to blitz the crap out of eli. he makes bad throws under pressure. if he has all day, as some QB's have had against the Cowboys, he'll pick us apart for sure.

i really think the Cowboys have a shot in this one. the momentum of their defensive effort from last week should carry over. we'll see.
The Cowboys have a better shot than many people think because, as you said, Eli is not a good QB under pressure. A dirty little secret from that ugly week 1 loss by the Redskins was that they literally dropped 4 or 5 INT's from Eli. I'm not exaggerating. One was even in the end zone. They only lost 16-7, so even catching just one or two could have had an effect upon the outcome, even as miserably as the Redskins were playing on offense. The Cowboys can win an ugly 13-10 type ball game if their defense steps up and the offensive line decides to get mean and block for Barber. And of course BJ cannot turn the ball over.

I unlike some others am not enthralled with Terrence Newman's abilities and I don't think he's anywhere near elite level as a CB, so his absence, while still a negative, isn't devastating. The key is getting pressure on Eli, even more than stopping the running game. None of those Giants RB's are game breakers IMHO, although that's otherwise a deep and good RB corps. If the Cowboys are knocking Eli down and getting a couple of INT's, the Giants could run for 200 yards and still lose.
Sure Dallas could win a tough defensive battle but I doubt that will happen. Sure Eli can be rattled but all qb's can with good pressure, but to imply that he is not able to over come pressure is not on target anymore. He can make the big play under pressure situations. The Skins are not in the Giants class and have been playing average to terrible ball the last 3 weeks. Had they not played the doormat of the league last week they would have lost. They are over ratted. I think Newman is a major upgrade over a rookie cb and is a big loss for this defense. I 100% agree that Dallas has to put pressure on Eli, the o-line has to run block and BJ can't turn the ball over, but that is obvious. B.Jacobs is a beast and can wear a defense down better then any rb in the league as well as the G-MEN's offensive line is the best in the NFL. Dallas has little chance to win this game as beat up as they are, now if this game was played when Dallas plays the Skins after the bye then Dallas can beat anyone once they get Romo F.Jones TNewman Witten Henry etc. back healthy. If Dallas wins this game with some big time luck the G-Men will never get over it and Dallas will win the division. The most likely scenario is Dallas Losses this week and is 5-4 and will have a hard time getting to 10 wins but should, and make a WC spot with either Philly Skins Tampa Minn in that order.
They're overrated and "Dallas can beat anyone with Romo", and yet the 'Skins beat Dallas in Dallas a month ago with Romo in the lineup? Ok chief, whatever.
If you follow the NFC East you know the games are always close and talent level and the better team means next to nothing. The teams play each other very close and there is almost never a dominant team in the NFC east vs one another. The Skins are over ratted and it will show this Monday when they get handled buy the Steelers.
Call the Redskins over rated if it makes you feel better. If the Cowboys lose this week they can kiss the NFC East goodbye, and with their schedule coming up they will be lucky to make a Wild Card.
If you read the last sentence in my post I said that the most likely scenario is that Dallas makes a WC spot and will not win the division and to the win the division really is not a big deal. You can go all the way without doing that. Also to call the Redskins over rated does not make me feel better, really I hardly ever even think about them wish I could say the same about you and the Cowboys. :excited:
:shrug: I enjoy the Cowboys. Just like I enjoy the Eagles and the Giants. I find the rivalry between these teams to be among the greatest in sports. Something I've noticed that alot of newer/younger fans seem to confuse with straight hatred. And although I am a huge Redskins fan I can take my Burgandy and Gold glasses off and look at my team objectively from time to time. You should try it some time.
What is it with you and glasses. I bet you fell in love with Sarah Palin. Anyway what in that post makes you think that I have cowboy glasses on. The fact that I feel they will not beat the Giants or that I said they will have a tough time winning 10 games. I know maybe it is because I think they will win 10 games an make the playoffs. :shrug: . By the way I love the rivalry of the NFC EAST. I have no hatred for any of the teams and am not a new fan or young that is for sure. I think you should read more careful and maybe put your glasses back on. :hophead:
 
Tatum Bell said:
Bankerguy said:
You might be right about the East title...but lucky to win the WildCard is a little overstated.
If they lose this week, then they need to finish 5-2 to end up with 10 wins, the presumed floor for making the playoffs as a Wild Card team. I won't say they can't do that, but that means that they have to play at a very high level over 7 weeks, and they were already starting to show some inconsistency even with Romo still in their lineup before his injury. Even ignoring their injury problems to Witten and others, that's where mental toughness and leadership come in and those are precisely the areas that people are questioning about them right now, and not just this season.

One more thing - people seem to talk like Romo's return will solve the leadership problem. I'm not sure that Romo at this point is anything other than the best QB on the team. Certainly they'll improve when he returns because of that fact, but I still wonder how much his "boy wonder" personality/style translates to rallying this team as a leader when times are bad and there is turmoil.
This where you guys some times twist things. Romo returning improves the Quarterback positionperiod. The difference between the players is HUGE. Even if Romo was a total cancer (Which he isn't-this would still results in wins). You also point out some valid observations and questions that every team has to some degree. Really though, I don't see any reason why we can't win 5 of the last 7. :shrug:
That is easy to say but the fact is they are 6-6 over their last 12 games. That would be quite a turn around. This would concern me if I am a Dallas fan.
 
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