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How can you start ADP? (1 Viewer)

Magnus_CA

Magnus_CA

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Ok, this is bound to ruffle some feathers considering ADP's legacy but between a staunch CHI run D, a questionable injury tag, Joe Webb and broken heater coils how can you march him out there this week? Sure he got you this far but if your team is still playing for the trophy you've likely got some viable alternatives to turn to.

Before anyone bothers...

-Never bench your studs.

-This is a selfish attempt by an ADP owner at a reverse jinx.

-<insert canned response here>

(^That should hopefully help trim the fat of the thread.) :moneybag:

 
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McCoy, Moreno, ADP. Only alternative is Blount

Sticking ADP in my starting lineup without much confidence, like you said look what he did last time @Bears, and now there is a WR playing QB.

As the #1 seed I'm already looking ahead to our week 16 3rd place game :loco:

 
I need as many points as possible this week to make up for last week. My only other option is really felix jones. ADP it is.

 
Donsmith753 said:
I need as many points as possible this week to make up for last week. My only other option is really felix jones. ADP it is.
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Are you in PPR? If so, I see Felix having a pretty good week while ADP has been non-existent in the passing game...huge disadvantage if you ask me.
 
I'm in a PPR playoff, but will likely still role with AP.

I can flex in another WR like Earl Bennett (playing in same lousy conditions) or Braylon Edwards (he's hit or miss) or Justin Forsett (??)

I think Minnesota has a better chance to win the game in the frigid conditions as they could hold down the Bears and maybe Webb's scrambling ability opens up some lanes for AP to get a TD

 
the spanker said:
Donsmith753 said:
I need as many points as possible this week to make up for last week. My only other option is really felix jones. ADP it is.
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Are you in PPR? If so, I see Felix having a pretty good week while ADP has been non-existent in the passing game...huge disadvantage if you ask me.
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Not in this league, non ppr with 1 pt per 5 yrds. it's a 2 week playoff and I'm down quite a bit going into this week. Rolling with Foster, ADP and Moreno, I just can't take the risk that he goes off on my bench.
 
I hope to be wrong, but I just don't see AP doing very much in this game. He got something like 50 yds in 17 carries in the last game with Bears, and that was with a decent quarterback and, I think, Steve Hutchinson to help block. There's a chance he goes off, because it's AP, but it's a less than 10% chance in my estimation.

 
I am benching him. We start 2 RB's, 2 WR, and 1 flex. Right now, my lineup has McFadden, Westbrook, A. Collie, G. Jennings, and H. Nicks. I also have Mike Wallace on my bench right now.

 
kylechoffman said:
despite the bad matchup and supporting qb, i dont see how you sit him.
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With 16 in the box as I read earlier, he is going to have to get lucky to do anything. It will require busting through the line and taking it to the hosue. There will be no accumulation of stats. You won't be seeing 22-120. It's been 6 weeks since he's carried it 20 times. He failed miserably with a better supporting cast in better conditions last time vs the Bears. He's got injuries. They are playing for nothing. That's just off the top of my head.
 
FavreCo said:
kylechoffman said:
despite the bad matchup and supporting qb, i dont see how you sit him.
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With 16 in the box as I read earlier, he is going to have to get lucky to do anything. It will require busting through the line and taking it to the hosue. There will be no accumulation of stats. You won't be seeing 22-120. It's been 6 weeks since he's carried it 20 times. He failed miserably with a better supporting cast in better conditions last time vs the Bears. He's got injuries. They are playing for nothing. That's just off the top of my head.
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And the field might be pretty icy.
 
My only option (in reality) passed by last night as I sat Tolbert. Will be rolling out Adrian along with Charles and Hillis. Thursday night games for the fantasy playoffs can be trying. However, I doubt that I would have benched ADP anyway.

 
Magnus_CA said:
...and broken heater coils...
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The heating coing aren't broken (it's a new facility, BTW), they simply don't exist!That said, I think your matchup this week needs to determine your AP play. If you need a homerun, then you have to start him. Otherwise, I'd be looking for other options. Personally, I'm likely going to play Wes Welker at flex in a half-PPR league instead of AP. My main concern is that Gerhart will get a lot of work on the rock-hard field surface instead of AP. I know I certainly wouldn't risk AP out there in a meaningless game. I'd use his knee injuy as an excuse to pull him out after a quarter and a half, when the Vikes could be down by 10 or more....
 
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I'm not getting into the ASYS discussion.

Its been had way too many times over... too many threads... and with too many posts... and there is no point attempting to dissuade those that are in polarized camps ("ASYS guys n gals" or "Matchup Maestros"). It's an exercise in futility as there is no absolute right or wrong - only different perspectives...

There IS some contradictory and conflicting advice from some folks...

# Some are saying hes got a 3rd string QB - sit him... But id say wont that means hell get 30-40 touches in a simplified vanilla offense that will need to lean on him?

# Some are saying "He'll face 8-in-the-box"... I'd say "Yeah, but he didn't he get just that when 'Tavaris Frerotte' was under center" and even had the added handicap of NO legitimate downfield threat AND was only a rookie learning the game?

Frerotte: 2,157yds / 12:15 (TD:INT ratio) / 59.1% completion / 8 - 3 - 0

Jackson: 1,056yds / 9:2 / 59.1% / 2 - 3 - 0

Peterson? 1,760 yds / 10 TDs

I wont bother listing the receiving numbers, but its not pretty; Sid Rice hadn't had the light go on, Berrian was doing "okay" (sub-1,000yds), Bobby Wade wasn't good enough and Shiancoe was a non-entity...

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/min/2008.htm

I'd say ALL defenses needed to do (back then as they are now!)was focus on stacking the box and it didn't make much difference then either

As for the CHI DEF? Yeah - it's MUCH better than last year. Thats not all that difficult to say. Is it truly elite? No - not for me. Its certainly above average but i think you should look more at it...

They allow only 3.7ypc. That makes them the 5th stingiest rush defence in the league BUT, if you use that metric as a barometer? Then the HOU DEF is also as good (allowing only 3.8ypc)!!!

The thing that would settle it is the NUMBER of carries per game... and that tells a whole different story... The Bears have only THREE other teams that get rushed on less per game. If teams rush less because they dont rate the secondary and pass on them whether through intent (game planning) or cause and effect (The Bears are ahead) then why run it? Im sure even VB will agree that the CHI secondary isnt its biggest asset and is still a work-in-progress

In the same fixture earlier in the season ADP had only 17 carries (51yds) - im sure if hed gone for 30 carries a 100yd day wasnt out of the question?

Lets also not forget that Joe Webb's strength is in running the ball (5,771yds rushing as a QB http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=173642 ) and he'll look to do that as it's it's still instinctive for him to scramble whether It's called or not if he gets pressured he'll bolt. That might nanoy the OC but it certainly wont harm ADPs numbers or Webbs rushing numbers -which while wont eclipse his passing numbers (which might not be anything to write home about) will certainly look better for him (not too difficult for a position where 30yds is considered a big day!).

So, ascribe to whichever fundamental side of the coin you prefer (ASYS or Matchup) but dont ignore that there is more to it than either would have you believe and if you REALLY are playing the matchup, then you might actually prefer to start rather than sit ADP when you look at it from a matchup perspective (as above) as it's not so cut & dried...

 
Actually thinking of starting Ronnie Brown over him. I love ADP, but the Giants just totally keyed on stopping him and it worked. I do not see why the Bears would not do the same. I don't have the balls to roll with Brown now, but I am not expecting much of anything from ADP this week either.

 
FavreCo said:
kylechoffman said:
despite the bad matchup and supporting qb, i dont see how you sit him.
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With 16 in the box as I read earlier, he is going to have to get lucky to do anything. It will require busting through the line and taking it to the hosue. There will be no accumulation of stats. You won't be seeing 22-120. It's been 6 weeks since he's carried it 20 times. He failed miserably with a better supporting cast in better conditions last time vs the Bears. He's got injuries. They are playing for nothing. That's just off the top of my head.
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:shrug: Even if he is a stud, studs get shut down sometimes. The stars are aligned for him to have a rough game.
 
Benching him for Hillis/McFadden. And even though that seems like a no-brainer, I have a real bad feeling about it.

 
Are there really 20 to 32 better options out there?

edited to change 24 to 32 to account for 14 and 16 team leagues where 2 RBs are started

 
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It'll be one of those disappointing games where he looks like hell...and punches 2 in anyway. 20/45/2 or some craziness like that.

-QG

 
I have ADP on my 13-1 fantasy team and have him riding the pine right now.

Arian Foster and JStew will be getting the nod.

(Charles is also warming the bench due to the Chiefs keeping him on an unnecessary snap/touch count.)

 
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The info about the pre-heating of the field is *extremely* positive. If they are able to get the entire FieldTurf thickness to thaw and the water to drain, then the field should be in great shape. FieldTurf uses a layered mixture of sand and cryogenic rubber, which I'm pretty sure is a styrene butadiene rubber (SBR). The glass transition temperature for this rubber is all the way down at -55C, which means it doesn't get glasslike (i.e., inflexible and brittle) until it is below that temp. FieldTurf is currently used in outdoor cold weather stadiums, such as the New Meadowlands Stadium, Gilette Stadium, and Paul Brown Stadium. However, I'm guessing these venues probably all have underground heating systems. In short, the turf should be fine if they can get it thawed by gametime. These fields can drain in just minutes after hours of constant rain, so hopefully the drainage system isn't a problem. I'm feeling pretty good about AP right now with respect to the field conditions. Still don't like the Bears DST and Webb...

 
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inca911 said:
The info about the pre-heating of the field is *extremely* positive. If they are able to get the entire FieldTurf thickness to thaw and the water to drain, then the field should be in great shape. FieldTurf uses a layered mixture of sand and cryogenic rubber, which I'm pretty sure is a styrene butadiene rubber (SBR). The glass transition temperature for this rubber is all the way down at -55C, which means it doesn't get glasslike (i.e., inflexible and brittle) until it is below that temp. FieldTurf is currently used in outdoor cold weather stadiums, such as the New Meadowlands Stadium, Gilette Stadium, and Paul Brown Stadium. However, I'm guessing these venues probably all have underground heating systems. In short, the turf should be fine if they can get it thawed by gametime. These fields can drain in just minutes after hours of constant rain, so hopefully the drainage system isn't a problem. I'm feeling pretty good about AP right now with respect to the field conditions. Still don't like the Bears DST and Webb...
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:eek: Does this mean that Walt Disney is going to come back as a Mickey Mouse Balloon? :goodposting: Anyhow, I've decided to pick up Brian Leonard and start him over that chump Peterson. He's turrible.

-QG

 
"ASYS" I've been a disciple.

I will stick to it this Semi-Final Playoff game. I have that gut feeling (the perfect storm) all is pointing for low fantasy points.

I've now talked myself into ...this week with ADP will be the, "Determining Factor" on my future player starts.

My gut says, "Bench" & My ASYS says "Start"

If ADP Provides his average or above points this week, I will always stick to the "Always Start Your Studs"

If he thuds, I will go more with my gut from now on. :thumbup:

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BTW, was starting VJax an ASYS or Gut last night?

 
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Can't go into MNF with only ADP as an option due to injury concerns. Should the Vikes decide to sit him out, my best available option to nab was (*gulp*) Chicago WR Bennett. Comon Adrian, I mean this is the PLAYOFFS!

 
I thought after AP did a Sportscenter commercial calling himself "AP", and explaining it, people would stop with the "ADP" nonsense.

 
You know what, I'm not going to start someone in place of Peterson at this stage of the season. I'll sink or swim with him and not try to get cute this time of the year. Besides, if I'm wrong I could still win my matchups. In my mind there are some players you can play this game with and some you don't. I don't think I could stand myself if I benched him and he blew up. How stupid would that make you feel if you benched ADP and he went for 156/3? Having said that, I do believe the Bears will put 9 or even 10 in the box to stop Peterson and Webb's running ability. They will simply say, "rookie, beat us with your arm". Here's hoping Peterson takes a screen pass to the house :tfp:

 
How serious is this ankle injury? Is this just a case of not needing to practice the guy this late in the season - might as well give him an extra couple of days of rest for what promises to be a tough game? Or is there really something deeper at work?

 
classic emge!! seriously tho. is hutchinson out too? it looks horrible for AP. i have the Law Firm in for him. This would be the 2nd time i havent obeyed the ASYS theory. To much going against AP. if he blows up i tip my hat and say "well played senor!" and pray the rest of my team picks up the slack. the vikings are sliding down a slippery slope and everything looks bad: banged up O line, hurt knee, 3rd string QB, weather crappy, hot defense against....

 
Replying to How can you start ADP?

Here are my alternatives:

A.Peterson

J.Starks

B.Jackson

T.Choice

T.Gerhart

B.Wells

Which two would you start? Not WDIS, Just being rhetorical in answering your question.

:unsure: :wolf: :X :X :X :X :X :X :X :X :X :X

 
How do we know how healthy AP truly is. I could see him only getting 15 or so carries and then using Gerhart to protect AP.

Is there even a chance that he sits this one out?

The other issue to think about is the snow which is becoming a much bigger threat.

 
I could start Maclin, LT, or Randy Moss over him. Maclin is tempting but I'll stick with AD and hope for the best. Partly because LT is playing the better run D.

 
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