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How do people feel about PPR? (1 Viewer)

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PPR became popular many years ago when NFL scoring was dominated by RB's and leagues were looking for a way to close the gap on high WR's compared to top RB's. That underlying premise no longer exists in this NFL as there are less stud RB's and more stud WR's.

So what's your take on PPR? Like it - hate it - meh?

 
I'm in two leagues now that use it and one that doesn't. I'm indifferent. I wouldn't try to make any of my leagues change it.

 
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If I want to make scoring more predictable, I prefer yardage-heavy. If I want to alter relative positional values, I prefer differential yardage scoring (i.e. RBs and WRs get a different amount of points for each yard gained).

 
What do I think?

I think it's already been discussed ad nauseam twice as many times as it needed to be so far this year...

 
The Dude said:
PPR became popular many years ago when NFL scoring was dominated by RB's and leagues were looking for a way to close the gap on high WR's compared to top RB's. That underlying premise no longer exists in this NFL as there are less stud RB's and more stud WR's.

So what's your take on PPR? Like it - hate it - meh?
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I can take it or leave it but agree its outdated for the same reasons you indicate. There's a fairly recent thread with lots of discussion but I can't find it at the moment.

 
I don't care for it - I think the new pass heavy league has erased the need for ppr. Soon we'll be looking at point per carry.

 
Does it really matter what your or anyone's opinion is on any scoring rule? Just draft accordingly.

 
Thanks for the link. It is arbitrary - you just have to adjust value to scoring system. I think it's just an unnecessary rule complication.

 
From a representive standpoint, I don't like it because you are awarding points to something that on the football field has no value. If a RB runs for no gain, he gets no points. If he catches a pass for no gain he gets 1 point under PPR.

From a drafting perspective, as others have said, it doesn't matter. Just factor PPR into your evaluation if your league uses it.

 
We get 5 points for the first 5 receptions for WR's and 1 per reception after. We felt a receiver coming in and getting 1 or 2 receptions didn't really influence the game, so we went with it. I was against it at first, but I really like it after playing with it for a while. It also makes watching games more fun when you're hoping for 1 more catch late in a game.

 
bleachercreacher said:
We get 5 points for the first 5 receptions for WR's and 1 per reception after. We felt a receiver coming in and getting 1 or 2 receptions didn't really influence the game, so we went with it. I was against it at first, but I really like it after playing with it for a while. It also makes watching games more fun when you're hoping for 1 more catch late in a game.
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We have something similar but we don't stop after 5 catches. 0-4 catches=0 bonus, 5-9=5 bonus points, 10-14=10 bonus points, etc. You may not think it would matter much, but it can bring down your team if your player goes 4-99 (9 points) instead of 5-100 (20 points). We use these tiers for RB/WR/TE.

 
Even though I recognize positional requirements as an effective means of balancing positional imbalances, I still prefer to play PPR over non-ppr. Standard scoring with 2rb/2wr/te/flex is to me, one of the worst systems to play in, boiling down to whether you have a top 5 pick or not.

 
Run It Up said:
Even though I recognize positional requirements as an effective means of balancing positional imbalances, I still prefer to play PPR over non-ppr. Standard scoring with 2rb/2wr/te/flex is to me, one of the worst systems to play in, boiling down to whether you have a top 5 pick or not.
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Early draft position is favored in all snake-drafts pretty much regardless of scoring format.

 
The Dude said:
PPR became popular many years ago when NFL scoring was dominated by RB's and leagues were looking for a way to close the gap on high WR's compared to top RB's. That underlying premise no longer exists in this NFL as there are less stud RB's and more stud WR's.

So what's your take on PPR? Like it - hate it - meh?
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I don't care for it personally. Never liked having a 0 yard reception score my fantasy team a point. We use a postional sliding scale for plays resulting in a first down. Always preferred scoring options that more closely reflect actual positive plays in the game.

 
dhockster said:
From a representive standpoint, I don't like it because you are awarding points to something that on the football field has no value. If a RB runs for no gain, he gets no points. If he catches a pass for no gain he gets 1 point under PPR.

From a drafting perspective, as others have said, it doesn't matter. Just factor PPR into your evaluation if your league uses it.
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Depends on how you define "value". Catches come from targets and players are targeted presumably because of their "value".

 
PPR is another way to recognize an individual's performance on the field. If the points given for the reception are balanced for the league, then it's another metric to measure a player's play effectively. What messes up PPR is that many league's haven't adjusted the points given as the years have gone by.

I've always played FF with the outlook that I'm gathering players for my own fantasy team, and then rating their actions on the field to help that team win. I've never understood when it's said that my fantasy team should only get points if the player's play helped their real team win. If I want to watch them help their real life team win, then I watch the real life game. For my fantasy team, I want to know if my player catches the ball well, gains yards well, gets in the end zone enough, etc.

The more stats to measure a player's individual skill, the better for me. But some others don't enjoy that, and that's ok, too. I've played both types and enjoyed them all.

 
The problem I have with the anti-PPR argument is that a 1 yard reception is not a nothing play. Very often, it's that player being in the right place at the right time to bail his QB out of a worse play, and that is certainly more valuable than the single yard gained if it avoids a sack for -8 yards.

Similarly, a player can be allowed to catch a meaningless 15 yard pass in the fourth quarter on fourth and 20- that player has done less to help his team, IMHO, than the guy catching the 1 yard emergency dumpoff. Why should he get 1.5 points for this meaningless play while the guy who saved his team a sack gets just 0.1?

In other words, downgrading PPR on the basis of impact is a circular argument. Discussing whether or not it balances positional value well enough is a whole other ballgame worth discussing in the current NFL climate.

 
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